Re: Design Question
Scott Morrow wrote: > For getting it FROM the student, why not just use a livecode stack > file. It could contain everything and be highly editable. ^ this LiveCode stack files are an underrated document format. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Design Question
For getting it FROM the student, why not just use a livecode stack file. It could contain everything and be highly editable. For returning it TO the student you could use a pdf. -- Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web https://elementarysoftware.com/ email sc...@elementarysoftware.com booth1-360-734-4701 -- > On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:18 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode > wrote: > > Richard, > I kinda like the pdf idea. Seems it would give me a way to encapsulate and > format the text and images and perhaps a fairly defined pdf format would make > it straightforward to edit it using Livecode as well. > Best, > Bill > > William A. Prothero > https://earthlearningsolutions.org > >> On Nov 17, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> William Prothero wrote: >> >>> It seems the effort to make this app work with learning management >>> systems would be huge, something I’m definitely not up for. >> >> It may not be. I've made standards-compliant courseware in the past (a >> while ago; the data format was XML ), and it wasn't as bad as I'd >> thought. With so much work on the modern standards I'd imagine they're far >> better documented and based on more common conventions than they were in >> yesteryear. >> >> But maybe the key question is: are your customers asking for LMS >> interoperability specifically? >> >> In some segments it can make the difference between being a contender and >> not being considered at all. >> >> But I've seen many other segments that seem to have abandoned hope of a >> standards-driven world of interoperable courseware, quite happy to kludge >> together whatever they need to eventually arrive at a means of tracking >> assessment. >> >> If no one's asking you for LMS compatibility, there would seem to need to >> bother. >> >> If PDF suffices, it's certainly easy to do in LC. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >> >> ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Suspend in iOS, or when is a mobile app running?
And just a reminder that, under iOS, you’ll have to register to receive a “ UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification” message, and then write a handler to respond to that (PS only register once in your stack script — I learned the hard way). It’s documented under mergNotify in the dictionary (with credit to Elanor for pointing this out to me when my “on shutdownRequest” handlers were being ignored). Jacque, I believe this is what you are looking for to be notified when you go into the background. I do some db cleanup at that time and it seems to work. Mark > On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:54 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Android has always acted like this and now that iOS apps run in the > background like Android does, it behaves the same way. At least our problems > are cross-platform now. > > An app will stay in RAM until the user specifically quits or until the OS > needs the memory. When that happens, the OS wipes the app and it effectively > shuts down. We get no warning, except for a shutDown message. Android > recommends we store the last state of the app and restore it when it starts > up again. > > I'd love to get a message when the app goes into the background but so far > there is none. Storing every little change as it happens seems tedious and > wasteful. I haven't had much luck with storing changes on shutdown but it's > worth a try, it's been a while since I did it. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On November 17, 2020 9:27:50 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > >> Sorry if this is documented somewhere but I can’t find it. >> >> On desktop platforms, LC gives us “suspend” which is fired when the app goes >> into the background. I seem to be having some problems with iOS, in that >> when the screen locks (triggered by user action or a time limit), my app >> seems to stop getting messages from the OS, so is in some sense suspended. >> This seems to call for something like “suspend” for mobiles. Does such a >> message exist? >> >> Another thing that happens with iOS apps that use Location Services is that >> the user is sometimes asked via a popu-up on the screen of the device >> whether the app should be allowed to use these services when it’s not >> running. I don’t know what triggers these user messages, nor am exactly >> certain what ‘not running’ means - presumably if the app has been properly >> quit, that’s something other than ‘not running’. In the Standalone Settings >> for mobile, one can set Location Services as being a requirement, but there >> doesn’t seem to be a setting corresponding to this user choice. >> >> Has anyone a clear understanding of all this? I would love to see an >> explanation. >> >> TIA >> >> Graham >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Design Question
> The application's core is access to Earth data (that scientists used to > develop the theory of plate tectonics) and capturing and annotating plots > that can be incorporated into student writing. If the 'student writing' is created in some other program then wouldn't it be sufficient to allow a student to copy text, data and plots from your program and paste them into whatever writing program the student uses? If the 'student writing' is created in your program could their work be exported as PDF that is then imported into the 'learning management system" and/or shared with the teacher? Jim Lambert ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Design Question
Richard, I kinda like the pdf idea. Seems it would give me a way to encapsulate and format the text and images and perhaps a fairly defined pdf format would make it straightforward to edit it using Livecode as well. Best, Bill William A. Prothero https://earthlearningsolutions.org > On Nov 17, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > William Prothero wrote: > > > It seems the effort to make this app work with learning management > > systems would be huge, something I’m definitely not up for. > > It may not be. I've made standards-compliant courseware in the past (a while > ago; the data format was XML ), and it wasn't as bad as I'd thought. With > so much work on the modern standards I'd imagine they're far better > documented and based on more common conventions than they were in yesteryear. > > But maybe the key question is: are your customers asking for LMS > interoperability specifically? > > In some segments it can make the difference between being a contender and not > being considered at all. > > But I've seen many other segments that seem to have abandoned hope of a > standards-driven world of interoperable courseware, quite happy to kludge > together whatever they need to eventually arrive at a means of tracking > assessment. > > If no one's asking you for LMS compatibility, there would seem to need to > bother. > > If PDF suffices, it's certainly easy to do in LC. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > > ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Suspend in iOS, or when is a mobile app running?
On iOS use mergNotify as below. Works well for me. on openStack mergNotify "UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification" mergNotify "UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification" end openStack on UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification pUserInfo // Your code before the app goes to background -- your code here to handle going to the background end UIApplicationWillResignActiveNotification on UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification pUserInfo // Your code after the app comes back to foreground -- your code here to handle your app becoming active end UIApplicationDidBecomeActiveNotification Henry > On Nov 17, 2020, at 10:54 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Android has always acted like this and now that iOS apps run in the > background like Android does, it behaves the same way. At least our problems > are cross-platform now. > > An app will stay in RAM until the user specifically quits or until the OS > needs the memory. When that happens, the OS wipes the app and it effectively > shuts down. We get no warning, except for a shutDown message. Android > recommends we store the last state of the app and restore it when it starts > up again. > > I'd love to get a message when the app goes into the background but so far > there is none. Storing every little change as it happens seems tedious and > wasteful. I haven't had much luck with storing changes on shutdown but it's > worth a try, it's been a while since I did it. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On November 17, 2020 9:27:50 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > >> Sorry if this is documented somewhere but I can’t find it. >> >> On desktop platforms, LC gives us “suspend” which is fired when the app goes >> into the background. I seem to be having some problems with iOS, in that >> when the screen locks (triggered by user action or a time limit), my app >> seems to stop getting messages from the OS, so is in some sense suspended. >> This seems to call for something like “suspend” for mobiles. Does such a >> message exist? >> >> Another thing that happens with iOS apps that use Location Services is that >> the user is sometimes asked via a popu-up on the screen of the device >> whether the app should be allowed to use these services when it’s not >> running. I don’t know what triggers these user messages, nor am exactly >> certain what ‘not running’ means - presumably if the app has been properly >> quit, that’s something other than ‘not running’. In the Standalone Settings >> for mobile, one can set Location Services as being a requirement, but there >> doesn’t seem to be a setting corresponding to this user choice. >> >> Has anyone a clear understanding of all this? I would love to see an >> explanation. >> >> TIA >> >> Graham >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Suspend in iOS, or when is a mobile app running?
Android has always acted like this and now that iOS apps run in the background like Android does, it behaves the same way. At least our problems are cross-platform now. An app will stay in RAM until the user specifically quits or until the OS needs the memory. When that happens, the OS wipes the app and it effectively shuts down. We get no warning, except for a shutDown message. Android recommends we store the last state of the app and restore it when it starts up again. I'd love to get a message when the app goes into the background but so far there is none. Storing every little change as it happens seems tedious and wasteful. I haven't had much luck with storing changes on shutdown but it's worth a try, it's been a while since I did it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On November 17, 2020 9:27:50 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote: Sorry if this is documented somewhere but I can’t find it. On desktop platforms, LC gives us “suspend” which is fired when the app goes into the background. I seem to be having some problems with iOS, in that when the screen locks (triggered by user action or a time limit), my app seems to stop getting messages from the OS, so is in some sense suspended. This seems to call for something like “suspend” for mobiles. Does such a message exist? Another thing that happens with iOS apps that use Location Services is that the user is sometimes asked via a popu-up on the screen of the device whether the app should be allowed to use these services when it’s not running. I don’t know what triggers these user messages, nor am exactly certain what ‘not running’ means - presumably if the app has been properly quit, that’s something other than ‘not running’. In the Standalone Settings for mobile, one can set Location Services as being a requirement, but there doesn’t seem to be a setting corresponding to this user choice. Has anyone a clear understanding of all this? I would love to see an explanation. TIA Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Design Question
William Prothero wrote: > It seems the effort to make this app work with learning management > systems would be huge, something I’m definitely not up for. It may not be. I've made standards-compliant courseware in the past (a while ago; the data format was XML ), and it wasn't as bad as I'd thought. With so much work on the modern standards I'd imagine they're far better documented and based on more common conventions than they were in yesteryear. But maybe the key question is: are your customers asking for LMS interoperability specifically? In some segments it can make the difference between being a contender and not being considered at all. But I've seen many other segments that seem to have abandoned hope of a standards-driven world of interoperable courseware, quite happy to kludge together whatever they need to eventually arrive at a means of tracking assessment. If no one's asking you for LMS compatibility, there would seem to need to bother. If PDF suffices, it's certainly easy to do in LC. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Design Question
I’m re-sending this because I used the wrong email server. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Nov 17, 2020, at 8:46 AM, William Prothero wrote: > > David and Graham, > One approach that occurred to me is this. > There are 2 components to the work that students would “hand in” to their > teacher. It would consist of simple text and images. So, would it be > practical to create a simple pdf as a single file that includes these > elements and send that to the teacher as an attachment? The teacher could > then either base grading on that pdf alone or use another small app that I > write (or other pdf editing software) to add comments and/or a grade to the > pdf and return it to the student. > > I haven’t tried to create PDFs in Livecode, but from some of the postings, it > seems practical. I’m not sure about the deconstruction in a Livecode app, but > a quick google search shows a lot of apps for annotating PDFs. > > Tnx for any comments or wisdom. > > Best, > Bill > > William Prothero > http://earthlearningsolutions.org > >> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:15 AM, David V Glasgow wrote: >> >> Oooh! For once I might make a contribution! >> >> I had the same issue in a healthcare context. These IT systems vary >> tremendously between services, are complex and often hard to connect with - >> either by design, or by lack of interest in supporting other software. >> >> I found the best way to get a combo education and training/clinical app to >> be accepted was to create it with no dependencies (local or online), no >> attempt to connect with management systems, no writing of data anywhere, >> just the ability to copy and paste charts and data that nurses can >> incorporate into other reports. Although clinical information systems are >> hostile to most actions, they have to allow pictures (like x rays and other >> scans) and spread sheet data to be pasted into the record. Ironically, they >> almost all allow Word documents to be incorporated into the clinical record >> too. Nurses don’t need to be shown how to do these things, because they >> wrestle with ugly, poorly designed clinical information systems on a daily >> basis. >> >> In other words, you’re on the money, I think. >> >> Cheers, >> >> David G >> On 16 Nov 2020, at 11:28 pm, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>> Folks, >>> I’m refining an application I used to teach Plate Tectonics when I was a >>> working prof. The application’s core is access to Earth data (that >>> scientists used to develop the theory of plate tectonics) and capturing and >>> annotating plots that can be incorporated into student writing. >>> >>> I am adding features that give the student (and teacher) more direction >>> about how to use the material. The final student product would be some kind >>> of short writeup with figures, that presents student results of their >>> exploration using the data in the application. The major goal is to have >>> students learn about the process of doing science and writing about their >>> results. >>> >>> However, I am thinking hard about how to proceed. It seems the effort to >>> make this app work with learning management systems would be huge, >>> something I’m definitely not up for. Yet, an assignment with text and >>> figures needs to be packaged in some way that is easy for students to use, >>> but can be transmitted to the teacher (who will make comments, assign a >>> grade, and return it to the student) in some efficient way. What I’m >>> thinking, at the simplest level, is to export the text and figures of the >>> student’s work and let the student create a final product using word, >>> Pages, google classroom, or some other application I haven’t thought about >>> but which they would normally have access to. >>> >>> I’d love to have any of you teachers’ ideas and/or experience with great >>> ways to proceed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bill >>> >>> William A. Prothero >>> https://earthlearningsolutions.org >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Suspend in iOS, or when is a mobile app running?
I’m not sure what you mean with ”suspend” on mobile. You only run one application at a time. If your app goes out due to a phone call or any other event it will normally quit your app and send a closeStack message and some more. If you want to create an application that doesn’t allow the screen lock to kick in you can do that via mobileLockIdleTimer, but don’t forget to unlock when you don’t need it anymore! The first time you ask for location data the phone will pop up a message asking the user to allow location tracking (as that is a privacy feature). You need to check if you are allowed to track before trying to get location data. If the user disallows location tracking your app will never get any location data how much you even try! An app can also ask for location tracking as a background execution task. This is where the user selects ”Always” instead of ”When app is in use”. Then your app might get location data even if it is not the front-most application. Then your app will still get locations change updates. This is available as an experimental feature under the ”Standalone Application Settings” for iOS. I say might, because you can never be 100% sure. If the user starts an app that requires all memory your app might still be thrown out and terminated, but iOS is really good at shuffling memory so it usually works. I haven’t tried this experimental feature though so I can’t say if it works OK in LiveCode, but if you have a device for testing you can give it a try! Applications that will get permissions for always track location can also set up "location notifications”. Then your app will startup when you arrive or leave a specified location. E.g. this is how Remainders work when you set a Remainder to trigger based on location. E.g. When I leave home. :-Håkan On 17 Nov 2020, 16:26 +0100, Graham Samuel via use-livecode , wrote: > Sorry if this is documented somewhere but I can’t find it. > > On desktop platforms, LC gives us “suspend” which is fired when the app goes > into the background. I seem to be having some problems with iOS, in that when > the screen locks (triggered by user action or a time limit), my app seems to > stop getting messages from the OS, so is in some sense suspended. This seems > to call for something like “suspend” for mobiles. Does such a message exist? > > Another thing that happens with iOS apps that use Location Services is that > the user is sometimes asked via a popu-up on the screen of the device whether > the app should be allowed to use these services when it’s not running. I > don’t know what triggers these user messages, nor am exactly certain what > ‘not running’ means - presumably if the app has been properly quit, that’s > something other than ‘not running’. In the Standalone Settings for mobile, > one can set Location Services as being a requirement, but there doesn’t seem > to be a setting corresponding to this user choice. > > Has anyone a clear understanding of all this? I would love to see an > explanation. > > TIA > > Graham > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Suspend in iOS, or when is a mobile app running?
Sorry if this is documented somewhere but I can’t find it. On desktop platforms, LC gives us “suspend” which is fired when the app goes into the background. I seem to be having some problems with iOS, in that when the screen locks (triggered by user action or a time limit), my app seems to stop getting messages from the OS, so is in some sense suspended. This seems to call for something like “suspend” for mobiles. Does such a message exist? Another thing that happens with iOS apps that use Location Services is that the user is sometimes asked via a popu-up on the screen of the device whether the app should be allowed to use these services when it’s not running. I don’t know what triggers these user messages, nor am exactly certain what ‘not running’ means - presumably if the app has been properly quit, that’s something other than ‘not running’. In the Standalone Settings for mobile, one can set Location Services as being a requirement, but there doesn’t seem to be a setting corresponding to this user choice. Has anyone a clear understanding of all this? I would love to see an explanation. TIA Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Standardizing codepoints
Thank you all for your advice. Jacque, normalizeText() was what I had vaguely remembered but couldn’t find. Richmond, I am working on a library that removes emojis from text and replaces them with imageSource... so that the text can be printed to PDF on mobile. You are correct about the “going blue in the face” bit. And I’m pretty sure what I’m doing is just one step up from nothing. — Scott > On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:21 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > See the normalizeText entry in the dictionary, I think that might be what you > mean. > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On November 15, 2020 4:17:14 AM scott--- via use-livecode > wrote: > >> I’m a little over my head in this area so I may not be describing this quite >> right… >> Some unicode glyphs seem to be describable with different (arrangements of) >> codepoints. Is it possible to coerce the glyph to be described in a >> “standard” way? >> >> -- >> Scott Morrow >> >> Elementary Software >> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) >> web https://elementarysoftware.com/ >> email sc...@elementarysoftware.com >> booth1-360-734-4701 >> -- ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Publishing Mac Apps
I agree (from limited experience I admit). The hassle referred to usually includes messages from the OS that many non-tech users will find mysterious, confusing and generally off-putting. Quite a lot of users don’t really understand the requirement to log in just to get some bit of software updated, let alone installed, so the burden then falls to the developer to write an essay explaining what the user has to do and sending it by email etc. Of course we all need security, but the whole thing has got out of hand IMHO. I think maybe Windows is worse, with its insistence on changing passwords after a time even if you’re working on an unconnected machine in the middle of nowhere… Graham > On 17 Nov 2020, at 07:02, John Balgenorth via use-livecode > wrote: > > I think that makes it easiest and safest for > the end user. If you did not code sign the > app they could probably still use it but it > would be a hassle. > > JB > >> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:52 PM, Bill Vlahos via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> If I want to distribute Mac apps should I get a $99 Apple Developer account >> and Notarize them? I don’t anticipate putting apps in the Apple App Store? >> >> Are there other considerations or options to avoid problems as Apple >> continues to enforce more restrictions? >> >> Thanks, >> Bill Vlahos >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Design Question
Oooh! For once I might make a contribution! I had the same issue in a healthcare context. These IT systems vary tremendously between services, are complex and often hard to connect with - either by design, or by lack of interest in supporting other software. I found the best way to get a combo education and training/clinical app to be accepted was to create it with no dependencies (local or online), no attempt to connect with management systems, no writing of data anywhere, just the ability to copy and paste charts and data that nurses can incorporate into other reports. Although clinical information systems are hostile to most actions, they have to allow pictures (like x rays and other scans) and spread sheet data to be pasted into the record. Ironically, they almost all allow Word documents to be incorporated into the clinical record too. Nurses don’t need to be shown how to do these things, because they wrestle with ugly, poorly designed clinical information systems on a daily basis. In other words, you’re on the money, I think. Cheers, David G > On 16 Nov 2020, at 11:28 pm, William Prothero via use-livecode > wrote: > > Folks, > I’m refining an application I used to teach Plate Tectonics when I was a > working prof. The application’s core is access to Earth data (that scientists > used to develop the theory of plate tectonics) and capturing and annotating > plots that can be incorporated into student writing. > > I am adding features that give the student (and teacher) more direction about > how to use the material. The final student product would be some kind of > short writeup with figures, that presents student results of their > exploration using the data in the application. The major goal is to have > students learn about the process of doing science and writing about their > results. > > However, I am thinking hard about how to proceed. It seems the effort to make > this app work with learning management systems would be huge, something I’m > definitely not up for. Yet, an assignment with text and figures needs to be > packaged in some way that is easy for students to use, but can be transmitted > to the teacher (who will make comments, assign a grade, and return it to the > student) in some efficient way. What I’m thinking, at the simplest level, is > to export the text and figures of the student’s work and let the student > create a final product using word, Pages, google classroom, or some other > application I haven’t thought about but which they would normally have > access to. > > I’d love to have any of you teachers’ ideas and/or experience with great ways > to proceed. > > Thanks, > Bill > > William A. Prothero > https://earthlearningsolutions.org > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
