HTML5 and different editions

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

HTML5 production is part of the LiveCode Community edition, which is 
fantastic. It's in the Business edition too, of course. The Indy 
edition, however, doesn't allow HTML5 production at all.


Would it make sense to add the Community edition's capability to Indy, 
maybe with a nudge to encourage users to consider the bigger Business 
edition for full power? I'm aware there may be business reasons here, 
but I just downloaded the Community edition so I could try a little idea 
in HTML5... which struck me as an odd thing, as I have an Indy license.


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Re: HTML5 and different editions

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On 22 Jan 2017, at 23:36, hh via use-livecode wrote:

Keith writes about the ability to make standalones, not about the 
license.

I thought *every* edition of LiveCode can create HTML5 standalones?


The Standalone Application Settings window in the standard Indy LiveCode 
does show an HTML5 panel, but it also says "Your license does not 
include HTML5 deployment entitlement." That's why I reinstalled the 
Community edition alongside the Indy one.


I don't know what the difference is between the Community edition's 
HTML5 abilities and the Business edition, but it stands to reason that 
there is something. :) Protecting/passwording code would make a lot of 
sense: not locking code fits in with the general ethos of the open 
source Community version, just as the ability to lock code is a 
significant benefit for those publishing commercial products. I'd really 
like to see the vanilla version of Indy given the Community level of 
HTML5 ability too rather than have to keep another near-gig-sized app 
around just for that! :D


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Re: HTML5 and different editions

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On 23 Jan 2017, at 12:16, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

in short, its not a question of changing a button in the Standalone 
Builder. If you want to build open source licensed, free, Community 
edition standalones, then you need to use Community.


Thanks Heather, getting this additional perspective and detail helps a 
lot! In this light it's a logical division between editions.


I wasn't trying to be a nitpicking PITA; I didn't grok the reason so it 
seemed like a curious quirk – and I have found bigger quirks with 
larger software companies in the past. :)


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Re: SHA1 cracked .... What are the chances this will be addressed in LC?

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

An aside response...

> Read between the lines Google doesn't use it so obviously people will start
> using Google's which will with 100% certainty will  have a backdoor in it
> looking as to how they removed 140,000 indexed pages of www.naturalnews.com
> after the owner didn't give in to blackmail - "Don't be evil" my arse.

While Google may include a backdoor (something I consider unlikely but I 
realise that's no less conjecture than '100% certainty'), the Natural News 
issue isn't what the site owners paint it to be. This 
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.seroundtable.com/amp/google-natural-news-deindex-23463.html
 is a good place to start for reference.

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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

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On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:29, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

> I please plead with Heather to reverse that particular change.

Seconded, with bells on! :(

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Re: Changes to use-livecode list.

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On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:55, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Well. That's the problem you see. DMARC rejects mail on the basis that 
it does not come from the same address as the sender ie the posting 
person's email is not the list address.


Actually, what *I* now see is emails being marked as from "[individual 
name] via use-livecode", which is actually perfectly usable for me. (I 
don't mean this as an 'I'm alright Jack' message, just noting that I do 
see individual names.)


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Re: I'm a stupid GIT

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On 7 Jan 2017, at 21:00, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

The team makes _using_ LC so easy that we often forget that the 
behind-the-scenes work is so complex almost no other company even 
attempts to support as many platforms with this level of integrated 
GUI support.


THIS is worth reposting every now and then. I should probably read it 
again every few months. :)


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Re: International LiveCode Mini Conference

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On 9 Jan 2017, at 18:32, Mark Schonewille via use-livecode wrote:


Probably not. It is just too much work to organise.


I concur. I help run the IVRPA conferences, and I know capturing and 
producing event video that's of usable quality is a serious task. It's a 
shame, but that's reality.


Wish I could go!

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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

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On 6 Jan 2017, at 12:49, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

"A bit like devs are being milked" seems a somewhat extraordinary 
statement. LiveCode is a business, with expenses and a stable of 
highly skilled and valuable developers.


I meant this in the traditional 'online pushy chatty' manner, not as an 
actual accusation. I apologise fully, I expressed myself badly. Mea 
maxima culpa.


From the point of view of those of us who have seen the product's full 
evolution it has unarguably moved into a very different realm as far as 
charges are concerned. I have a natural and ingrained dislike of ongoing 
costs, in part because I'm an old industry fart and in part because I 
use a *lot* of different software and use the vast majority on an 
occasional basis so I prefer to buy rather than rent in order to keep a 
lid on my outgoings. (The only ongoing 'rent' payment models that I have 
are with Adobe and LiveCode. Both are valuable to me, although not 
really in the financial sense. I am indy in many senses of the word!)


I am still disappointed that HTML5 turned out to be not part of the 
regular set of Indy output options. I may well have misunderstood this 
from the start... it won't be the first time. :-/


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Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

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On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:41, Skip Kimpel wrote:


+1

LC needs to reconsider breaking up functionality based upon licensing.


Indeed! I haven't looked in depth at the differences, but I thought it 
was more (or even entirely) about support, which makes sense for 
high-level business requirements, plus a turnover threshold, which is 
about common sense (appropriate recompense for lucrative use). With the 
open-source Community edition, only allowing open-source standalones is 
eminently logical. But limiting functionality in the way just revealed 
feels decidedly unfriendly, a bit like devs are being milked.


:'(

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Re: HyperCard on your current Macintosh computer

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On 5 Apr 2017, at 7:48, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:


https://github.com/jedahan/hypermac


I couldn't get that version of Mini vMac to run; it couldn't find the 
vMac.ROM file. But there's a slightly newer version of the app () that 
works well if you put it in there instead. It's at 
http://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/


BTW, this is very well timed – I'm currently clearing out my attic; I 
dumped half a ton of old floppies but I kept a few gems including old 
systems and some games and apps. Now I dodn't even need to try and crank 
up my old Mac Plus or SE! :)


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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

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On 14 Apr 2017, at 13:49, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:


The $500,000 limit on INDY is on an
honour system anyway - LC can't tell whether I made a million last 
week or

not.


An interesting point.

Personally, I prefer positive incentives for upgrading. Making someome 
think even for a second that they'll be 'penalised' for doing well and 
you lose your grip on their interest. This is a very jaundiced 
interpretation of that indy/business differentiation point, I know, but 
one has to put onesself into the shoes of potential customers who could 
easily get the wrong end of the stick.


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Re: Cognitive load

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On 23 Apr 2017, at 15:14, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:


Until about 1600 is was a "well-known fact" that the world was flat


Heh. Nice analogy.
Except that even this fact itself isn't true! Most educated people much 
further back than that believed that the Earth was round. Copernicus 
(1473-1543) didn't cause consternation through refuting the flatness of 
the world, he proposed that the world revolved around the sun rather 
than the other way around. And this wasn't the first time for that 
concept: Aristarchus of Samos (approx 310-230 BC) originally presented 
the heliocentric concept, which relies inherently on the Earth being a 
sphere. In fact (uh-oh! ;) the flat-Earth idea has been only patchily 
believed for far longer than people generally realise.
Which makes it even more mind-numbingly strange that people think this 
today. But then, who in their right mind would look to a basketball 
player for scientific information?


:D

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Re: Cognitive load

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On 23 Apr 2017, at 8:55, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:


I'm not sure why smaller should necessarily be better.

Surely a better equation might be how much one gets out for what one 
puts in.


Well, that would be *another* measurement – related but not the same. 
Even harder to measure, I'm sure. The cognitive load of a menu-driven 
scripting system such as early versions of Flash was very low indeed 
(despite being rooted in an animation timeline concept) – but it was 
itself very limited. I think it's good that this Southern Cross U 
comparison didn't go beyond a set of actual application development 
tools.


I find the idea of cognitive load measurement extremely interesting. If 
something's Just Damn Tough to learn it's simply less accessible. It's 
the broad accessibility of xTalk that I have always found so exciting, 
from my HyperCard 1.x and SuperCard 1.x days onwards... and it's the 
relative Just Damn Tough-ness of Objective C that made me bail on my 
attempts to learn it a few years back. The cognitive load was too much 
for me. :-/


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Re: Mark in a kilt...

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On 1 Aug 2017, at 7:53, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:


I salute Kevin and Mark for their adoption of kilts.


It's certainly not new! I remember when Runtime Revolution got its first 
MacUser award nomination (MANY years ago!), Kevin and a couple of others 
came to the ceremony in kilts. Memorable and cool.


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Re: play sound plays the wrong sound

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On 6 Jul 2017, at 15:45, Matt Maier via use-livecode wrote:


Why is this stuff not in the dictionary?


Also, given the massive prevalence of MP3, it would be great if the 
(apparent) limitation of the 'play' command was addressed. :/


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Re: Font embedding for iOS in LC9

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On 25 Apr 2017, at 15:36, Andrew Bell via use-livecode wrote:

Digging around through my stack I found some old commented out code 
for "start using font file tFont" but that seems to be Mac/PC 
standalone code not needed for mobile.


Not actual insight, at least in the sense of answers, but I found a way 
to install fonts in iOS. They need to be base64 encoded and saved as 
.mobileconfig documents in order to work. I made a tool (using LiveCode, 
natch) to do this; it's available at http://thehelpful.com/iosfonts/


One day I must upload the stack for others to grab! But so many other 
things to do... :-/


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Re: English Like?

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On 24 May 2017, at 16:19, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Or conversely, would people new to coding find htalk easy and 
intuitive? These are two different questions and a rigorous answer 
will most likely not come from knowledgeable livecode programmers.


Speaking as a university lecturer who teaches LC to graphic design 
students from time to time, I can absolutely attest to the benefits of 
the 'English-like' qualities of xTalk. They get it, they can work things 
out, they can use it to create *their own* basic tools and toys, and 
this after just one afternoon.


It's imperfect... but hell, even *English* could be described as being 
just English-*like* if you want to go down that debating rabbit hole! 
The point is it's *so* much easier than traditional languages for people 
to grok. That's one of LC's USPs.


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Re: English Like?

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On 25 May 2017, at 20:10, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I almost ace'd grammar in grade school, but I kept complaining that 
the English language had more exceptions than it had actual rules.


Sounds like you *should* have aced it. :D

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Re: HTML5 deployment: progress comes into sight

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On 16 Jun 2017, at 5:15, hh via use-livecode wrote:


if the webpage starts with "hyperhh.de" then the images have to be
called explicitly from hyperhh.de while download from "hyperhh.org"
(which is simply another name for the same domain) fails.


Thanks for the example! Re the domain thing, I'd regard [x].de and 
[x].org as being different for anything sensitive to cross-domain use. 
Do you know if it's fussy about subdomains, for example www.[x].de, 
web.[x].de and [x].de?


I'd like to be able to integrate LC's HTML5 output with regular web page 
structures a little more flexibly. That's been one of the big things 
that's really put me off trying out much with this form of output, so 
far at least.


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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

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On 21 Aug 2017, at 18:53, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:


If you want native appearance they are inappropriate.


Ah, a slightly different thing to what I first assumed. Answer dialogs 
as a concept have an important place, of course. But yes, non-standard 
UI/appearance for stuff that *should* be standard is Just Wrong.


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Re: livecode changes image colors without being asked to do it

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On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:31, Robert Brenstein via use-livecode wrote:

The stack is used to produce a PDF file and the printing shop 
requested CMYK


A slight aside – please forgive me.

I teach publishing and have worked in the print industry (among others) 
since the 1980s. It's now the norm for printers to accept PDFs with 
embedded RGB images and do the colour conversion to CMYK in the final 
RIP stage as it's printed. This means that the actual conversion is done 
with settings that are most appropriate to the actual print method and 
device, not a generic 'make it CMYK' process. I've seen print projects 
go expensively wrong because of inappropriate CMYK conversion settings.


This is often known as an RGB workflow – although 'Hybrid workflow' is 
more accurate, as it's just imported images that are left in their 
native colour model; colour swatches should still be specified using the 
colour model of the intended output process.


Having said this, the bottom line is always "ask your printer and follow 
their advice," not least because if something goes wrong with the colour 
repro they can't blame you. ;)


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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

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On 8 Nov 2017, at 10:25, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:


Admittedly, I was laying sick in bed at the time


I suspect that may be the reason. I've heard (well, misheard) pretty 
weird stuff when I've been unwell enough to be bed-ridden. :)


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Re: videoClip

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On 12 Dec 2017, at 11:05, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:


One of the reasons why videoClip and AudioClip are useful
is to do with portativity.


This is a VERY good reason to support this properly. I still find it 
frankly weird that LC isn't able to handle MP3 media more flexibly than 
it does at the moment. :-/


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Re: LC & Java

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On 29 May 2018, at 17:57, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Ever since Hypercard I have loved the "do something to something else 
with some other things" approach, and also that I don't have to worry 
about variable typing, declaration and scope.


Amen brother! This is an important part of the magic of xTalk – we 
should never forget just how magic-like it really is.


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Re: Mac app code signing for beginners

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On 30 Apr 2018, at 4:07, Mark Smith via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Bill, reading your message I thought for a second it was something 
I had
written myself. You stole the words out of my mouth. Always 
challenging,

never seems repeatable the same way twice.


May I second this? Getting things set up to go on the App Store is a 
!@£$% PITA. If this can be simplified through guides and stuff from the 
mothership that would (to my mind) be a major USP and argument for using 
LC. I imagine it's no small undertaking, but it could be significantly 
helpful.


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Re: Using this list

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On 11 Jan 2018, at 17:00, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:


I'm using Thunderbird.
Email comes in, I click Reply, email goes out.


I use MailMate on my laptop, Mail on my iPhone. Same behaviour for me: 
click reply, type stuff, send.


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Re: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

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On 20 Feb 2018, at 16:34, Ralph DiMola wrote:


We
had many font issues over the years and I figured that the industry 
would

get it together.


Given that the font world calls eighteenth century font designs 'Modern' 
and early/mid 19th century sans-serifs 'Grotesque', I wouldn't hold my 
breath... ;)


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Re: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

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On 17 Feb 2018, at 16:51, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

LC no longer manipulates text directly to produce styles, it now uses 
the equivalent font.


And as a typographer, let me say YAY!
Distorted type hurts my soul. :(

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Re: [OT]Silly weekend LC poll

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

For me...

> CHAR

Rhymes with “car”
and

> LOC

Rhymes with “mock”

I know they’re abbreviations but I mentally elevated them to regular word-hood 
many years ago. :)

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Re: some thoughts on version 9.0.0

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 19 Apr 2018, at 17:00, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:

Next is the significant decrease in the "Ink" choices... I've found 
(by process of elimination) the "notSrcOrReverse" ink works for me in 
several situations there ain't no such thing in v9.0.0.


Yep, I found that strange and very disappointing too. I cannot see a 
reason why this has been changed. Inks are things I sometimes use a lot 
in projects for both practical and creative effects. Please restore the 
full set!


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Re: [OT] Web based HyperCard

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 27 Mar 2018, at 14:28, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:


Tell us about it again once it is full color and not just B


When he has the Colorizing HC XCMD simulated? ;)

But seriously, while I don't see a hard-nosed practical use for this it 
is an astounding feat!


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Re: Rotating PNG images

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 5 Mar 2018, at 18:34, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:


I set the angle on PNG images and they deteriorate.


For clarity, are you setting the angle to something other than 
90/180/270 degrees?


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Re: Forums down: locally or globally?

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On 26 Apr 2018, at 19:16, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

> The forums are inaccessible here in Bulgaria at the moment.

They were for me too (in London, UK), for a bit.

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Re: LiveCoders from London, lets meet!

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

Hi Andre,

I'm based in London – I live in Mitcham/Tooting and I work in Elephant 
& Castle. I'm game!


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On 9 Nov 2018, at 17:04, Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode wrote:


Hey Friends,

Who here is from London or nearby and would be interested in regular 
meetups? We could meet once a month or so in a pub or quieter setting. 
I am thinking of informal meet & drink, chatting.


Cheers

andre


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Re: setting file created date in livecode from script

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

Hi Stephen,

I made a little tool (in LiveCode, natch) for doing this using touch. 
It's here: 
http://panoramaphotographer.com/software/likeaversion/index.html and 
there's a link near the bottom of the page to download the LiveCode 
stack.


k


On 14 Apr 2019, at 22:52, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:


answering my own question: TOUCH
looks like what I want... gotta love BSD Unix...

NAME

 touch -- change file access and modification times


SYNOPSIS

 touch [-A [-][[hh]mm]SS] [-acfhm] [-r file] [-t 
[[CC]YY]MMDDhhmm[.SS]]


   file ...


DESCRIPTION

 The touch utility sets the modification and access times of 
files.  If


 any file does not exist, it is created with default permissions.


 By default, touch changes both modification and access times.  
The -a

and

 -m flags may be used to select the access time or the 
modification time


 individually.  Selecting both is equivalent to the default.  By
default,

 the timestamps are set to the current time.  The -t flag 
explicitly

spec-

 ifies a different time, and the -r flag specifies to set the 
times

those

 of the specified file.  The -A flag adjusts the values by a 
specified


 amount.
.

full definition can be had by typing MAN TOUCH




I hope others can use this knowledge..sorry to raise the alarm.


I'm off to write a handler, which I'll post later if anyone is 
interested



Now I've got to find those EXIF routines, they're around somewhere


thanks , self


this is the kind of stuff that LC is so good for...
--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org


On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 2:36 PM Stephen Barncard 


wrote:


Hi Gang,

I thought file date change had been a part of livecode for years, but 
I
can't find anything in the docs about setting the created or modified 
dates

in files.
I need to do this on the Mac desktop.

Why? because several years ago $@$#$@#$@'ing  dropbox, without my
permission, started changing not only filenames but DATES in a huge 
swath
of precious photos in  a particularly dishonest way -- they wanted my 
free

account to fill up quickly so I'd have to "upgrade".
I know the EXIF tags still exist inside each file, but all the file 
dates

had been changed to the date of copying.
Dropbox has been increasingly piggish lately - not allowing more than 
3

machines on the free account.
It's a mess.  This does not endear me to these greedy people.

I have to write a custom handler to deal with this - there's no app 
that

can do this - I don't think.

perhaps there's something I can call from the shell - I'd be good 
with

that.

Anyone have an idea? Thanks in advance.

sqb
--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org


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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 11 Sep 2019, at 16:21, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:

At one time one could get past OSs, but I don't think it is the case 
now


If a past OS has been downloaded through one's standard Mac/me/iCloud 
account in the past it can be downloaded and installed again. It can 
also be downloaded to install on a different Mac or to archive the 
installer yourself, although this takes a tiny bit of hoop-jumping as it 
is set up to 'download-run-install' with minimal user management 
required.


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Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 22 Oct 2019, at 4:02, kee nethery via use-livecode wrote:

it would look for Hypercard itself on their disk and start erasing 
stuff in it


I applaud the ingenuity and totally understand the reasons for her doing 
that, but it should be said that damaging *other* software – beyond 
the stack itself – on purpose is a questionable tactic that feels like 
revenge, especially if it's designed to be silent. It is the actions of 
a virus! Not the best grounds to be standing on if this came out and 
lawyers got involved, even if the victim was clearly a thieving hacker.


However, fascinating idea and impressive dedication.

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Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 22 Oct 2019, at 20:47, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:


i am counting on
his limited willingness to put hours into it.


Either way, it will be absolutely fascinating to read about the outcome. 
Good luck!


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Re: Give a bug a hug

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

I'm less than convinced by the crowdfunding ideas that have been 
mentioned so far. But there is something that is important to 
understand:


1. All Kickstarter campaigns are 'all-or-nothing.' From the Kickstarter 
FAQ: "No one will be charged for a pledge towards a project unless it 
reaches its funding goal."


2. Indiegogo campaigns are EITHER 'flexible funding' (the money is taken 
whether or not the goal was reached) OR 'fixed funding' (the same as 
Kickstarter).


Whether or not a crowdfunding angle is a good idea is a different issue. 
I just wanted to clarify the point about campaign goals and funding 
levels.


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Re: OT: Completely OT: Reading list recommendations.

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

I've been *really* enjoying this, and I've just asked my university 
library to get multiple copies for my students.


Creative Selection
Subtitle: Inside Apple's design process during the golden age of Steve 
Jobs

Ken Kocienda

I was reading the print book but I left it behind in my office at the 
end of Monday so I bought the ebook as I got on the train to go home. 
I've been marking passages to go back to and to use in lectures. It's 
good, and it's a very 'more-ish' read.


k


On 6 Feb 2020, at 17:34, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

So, I'm going on a train journey tomorrow and the next day. Three or 
four hours each day, scenery I've seen a million times already 


Hoping for suggestions to keep me reading while on the way.

Requirements.

1. MUST be on kindle (or iBooks or similar).

2. Hopefully I'll find 3 books

 - a techie one

 - a non-techie non-fiction one

 - fiction - preferably fairly light, easy reading (as a break from 
the others above).


I know you guys can give me better recommendations than Amazon can -)

Many thanks,

Alex.


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Re: HyperCard: the Myst story

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 5 Feb 2020, at 3:19, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:


On 2/4/20 6:19 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:

In 1993 Mac User magazine


...them was the days, eh?


[Deep sigh] I spent *many* years in MacUser magazine – the original 
and best UK one of course, not the Ziff-Davis copy. ;) I was an external 
contributor in 1993, it was another three years before I joined as tech 
ed.


One of the most impressive CD-ROMs I ever saw from the 1990s was If 
Monks Had Macs, another HyperCard production. I think I still have that 
disc in a box somewhere, but I need to resurrect an old Mac to be able 
to run it. It is SUCH a shame that cool digital things have such a short 
working lifespan. :(


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Re: Start using font

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

Personally, I’ve used it to make a font management tool for dealing with large 
font libraries. It’s not something ‘fit for prime time’ as it looks abysmal at 
the moment but it works. :)

Keith
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> On 8 Jan 2020, at 06:25, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I see where I got misguided. "Start using font" is for desktop. The 
> fontnames dictionary entry explains how to include fonts in the Copy Files 
> pane in standalone settings. So if the fonts are included in the build, I 
> don't need to "start using", they're available automatically.
> 
> Which makes me wonder why I'd ever need "start using" at all.
> 
>> On 1/6/20 7:21 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> I have a folder "Fonts" that I include in the "copy files" pane of the
>> standalone settings. I put my fonts there. I don't think that the folder
>> name matters. The fonts are automatically available.
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
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>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>> -Original Message-
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
>> Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:24 PM
>> To: LiveCode Mailing List
>> Cc: J. Landman Gay
>> Subject: Start using font
>> The dictionary says that fonts can only be embedded on desktop apps but I
>> have a dim memory we could do it on mobile too. Has anyone done that?
>> --
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Re: Forum?

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> On 15 Jun 2021, at 09:58, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Has the Forum gone bottom up?

It’s a little quieter than normal I think, but there are posts there from as 
recent as 20 minutes ago.

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Re: building standalone FAILS with German Umlaute in app name

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

OT: Fortunately (in a sense) when I got a frozen shoulder four years ago I had 
surgery to release it. Because I'd also dislocated and fractured it. Longboard 
injury. Anyway, it worked well. But I hope the solution for this problem is 
faster and less painful!

Keith

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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:50 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It sounds funny but that is the advice given for people with adhesive 
> capsulitis aka “frozen shoulder”. Best thing to do is just leave it alone and 
> don’t irritate it. It will resolve itself over a period of months or years 
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A man went to see hist doctor for a problem with his shoulder. He told the 
>> doctor, "When I move my arm like this, my shoulder really hurts!" They 
>> doctor replied, "Well, don't do that!" 
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
 On Jun 15, 2021, at 06:19 , Tiemo via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> macOS 11.2.3, LC 9.6.1 and 9.6.2
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> when the app name has German Umlaute, building a standalone fails with the
>>> error:
>>> 
>>> "Adding ad-hoc signature failed. . Too many open files in subcomponent
>>> myÖApp.app/Contents/MacOS/myÖApp.app"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This was working for the last years without any problem. I don't know, since
>>> which version it failed.
>>> 
>>> When replacing the Umlaut, everything works fine.
>>> 
>>> Since I have to build shortly an update to an existing app with an Umlaut in
>>> its name, this is pretty annoying!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any workaround? Any help?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tiemo
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Re: We don't need a Player (was Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones)

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> On 13 Apr 2021, at 11:28, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the other hand, I think that the SB should create standalones that can 
> actually be deployed, this means that it should be able to handle 
> notarisation on the mac out-of-the-box.


Oh boy, THIS! And everything Richard’s written in this thread.

I’ve come to dread the process of making a deployable standalone, to the point 
where I actively avoid it. It’s a major PITA and headache inducer. This really 
is putting me off using LiveCode. I’m not saying ‘in preference to something 
else,’ just that the experience has become so convoluted and opaque that I work 
to avoid having to do it.

I’m sure others feel similarly, and that is a Very Not Good Thing for LiveCode.

:’(

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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

Mailing lists such as this aren’t perfect oracles and they’re not pure 
technical reference sources either. Most importantly, they are not one-to-one 
conversations; MANY more people will be reading a thread than may be actively 
posting to it.

When a question is asked, people will respond with what they feel may be of 
use. Sometimes it isn’t helpful, but often even those posts will help others 
reading the thread to gain a better understanding of all sorts of areas within 
the general topic.

I know I’ve learned a HUGE amount by reading threads on topics that free-wheel 
around with all kinds of creative and sometimes off-target (and even off topic) 
responses. For me, that is a big part of the value of a mailing list. I don’t 
read every post in this or a number of other mailing lists, but I keep 
everything for possible later trawling with searches. (I have roughly 142k 
unread emails in my inbox – I practice inbox infinity rather than inbox zero! 
But it works well for me.)

This is how mailing lists naturally work. If that’s not suitable, the forum 
allows for a somewhat more focused approach to questions and answers. What’s 
not so suitable or appropriate is personal abuse being thrown around. I don’t 
know how many people are subscribed to this list, but it will not be a small 
number. That’s a lot of inboxes. Frankly, anyone should be embarrassed to be 
’shouting’ at someone in such a large and semi-public environment.

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Re: Checking the Milliseconds

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

I ran the original code on my MacBook Pro (16in 2019, 2.3GHx 8 core i9). Three 
quarters of the results were over 4000, almost 150 of those were 4400 or above. 
The highest value was 4493.

Average: 3873 (rounded)
Median: 4081
Standard Deviation: 611 (rounded)

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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

I just hope that my Price Lock Indy subscription will continue as promised. 
Kevin did say yesterday that "if we promised something in the past we do honour 
it” and back when I started my Indy sub I was told that my subscription will 
'remain at the same cost for as long as I keep it active' – hence the Price 
Lock title.

I’m very happy to continue paying that.
Community was an amazing initiative but that’s a rather different agreement. :)

k

> On 1 Sep 2021, at 14:28, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> FWIW over on the forums the sentiment seems to be mostly hostile to these
> changes. Many are talking of collecting and hosting past "community"
> installers to get around these changes by LC Ltd, others talking of jumping
> ship.  Over there the attitude is "the sky is falling".  I can only assume
> many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that
> doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of
> progress.
> 
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Re: Licensing model change

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> On 1 Sep 2021, at 10:02, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Whenever I suggested to people, who used the software for creating internally 
> for their company, to support LC at least with a Community Plus subscription, 
> I always got the same answer: Why should I buy a license when I can do 
> everything with the free version.  :

Yes, I can see how people would take that attitude, but it’s really not a great 
one, not in terms of helping ensure the future of the product.

I had a price-lock Business + HTML5 subscription piggybacking on top of my Indy 
price-lock one, at least until last week when I had to cancel that piggybacked 
part. Today I’m no longer fully employed and may never be again (age + health = 
reality check time), but while I was I kept the Business + HTML5 going as a 
kind of contribution while I develop Indy-level stuff.

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Re: Bye, and thanks for the fish

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

Unless someone’s hoarding gold that’s an interesting but not all that useful 
pricing comparison. I prefer the Big Mac Index 
(https://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/
 
)
 and regular historical inflation/value charts. ;)

However, yes, we do get a lot from LC.

k


> On 2 Sep 2021, at 09:38, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Over on the forum Kevin has been encouraging people to contact support with
> any issues. Some are refusing to do so, making ridiculous demands in
> response.
> 
> Yesterday I had a look at the historical prices to see if LC was
> significantly more expensive than Metacard:
> 2001 - Metacard ($995)  [$288]
> 2005 - Revolution Enterprise (£899) [£243]
> 2021 - Livecode (3x distro platforms £720) [£1316]
> 
> In square brackets behind each is [the price of an ounce of gold] (if
> someone's got a better comparator, they can post it e.g. crude oil, pork
> bellies, cost of an entry level Mac, etc).
> 
> So Metacard cost 3 ounces of gold, Rev Enterprise cost 3.7 oz of gold,
> today's Livecode equivalent costs 0.54 oz of gold.  Even if one adds all 7
> of the distro platforms (3 of which certainly didn't exist in 2005), a full
> Livecode license costs just over 1oz of gold, so between 1/3rd of the price
> of 15 years ago (or as little as 1/6th the price of Metacard). Objectively
> speaking, the customer today gets so much more for so much less.  Apart
> from those who have been used to getting something for free.
> 
> It was only this time last year I stated how amazing it was that Livecode
> manages all the complexity of producing software that runs on so many
> divergent platforms (I was navigating the version compatibilities of Xcode,
> Android Studio, MacOS, iOS, AndroidOS, Windows OS, and Livecode), not to
> mention producing two different versions of Livecode (free and
> commercial).  Something had to give.
> 
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Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

I think this is (potentially) an excellent idea. Running stacks is more 
important in education use than building standalones, and the knowledge that a 
standalone CAN be made by simply ’trading up’ to a paid-for version of LC might 
be an interesting sell. But I would be surprised if this sort of thing hasn’t 
already been considered.

k


> On 2 Sep 2021, at 15:20, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a good idea. I sometimes use the IDE to do a quickie text
> manipulation task. A couple of buttons and some text file/db processing and
> BOOM! It's done in the fraction of the time of other languages. I have now
> done some text chunk coding that highlights many of LCs features. I can now
> buy a platform or two If I want to expand the IDE to building distributable
> apps.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Michael Kristensen via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 9:50 AM
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Michael Kristensen
> Subject: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
> 
> Hi there
> 
> I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
> 
> That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
> 
> Michael
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Re: Custom URLs

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

Only one thought: the protocols that do work on iOS are general declarations 
that are routed to an app/service as the host OS thinks is appropriate. Less 
common ones and app-specific ones do have to be registered... in the app that 
wants to be able RECEIVE them. So if the FB app doesn’t have that set up 
already it seems it can’t be done.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/defining-a-custom-url-scheme-for-your-app
 


Would it work well enough to use a regular https URL to the resource on 
Facebook? It would open in the user’s browser, but it may be enough.

k


> On 1 Sep 2021, at 18:04, Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I need a little help here...
> 
> I am creating a mobile app for a client that wants to simply launch another 
> app.  To do this, I am trying to use a custom url to launch an external app.  
> For example:
> 
> launch url "fb:"
> 
> This works fine on Android, but on iOS, I get "no association" (yes, Facebook 
> is installed).  Then I read that you have to enter the Custom URLs you want 
> to use in the "App URL Query Whitelist" area in the Application Builder.   Is 
> this true?   Why does the app have to know at compile time what URLs are 
> going to be opened?  In my app's case, client can change and edit the list on 
> a server, so the list of apps to launch are received by the our app at launch.
> 
> "mailto:;, "http:", "music:" and "tel:" all work just fine on iOS without 
> being included in the App URL Query Whitelist.
> 
> Anyone have any insight to this process?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> -Dan
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Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

> On Sep 7, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> My wife and I have an ongoing disagreement about the term 'couple of’ in 
> terms of counting.  I say it means around 2 or 3ish.  She says it means 2. 
> Further she says if you wanted to say 3 or 4 you would say ‘a few’.

I'm the kind of person that distinguishes between 'like' (exclusive: similar to 
but not) and 'such as' (inclusive: similar to and part of the comparison set), 
so this is coming from a position of pedantry, but that's because I am a 
writer...

Strictly speaking, 'a couple' means two, no more and no less. In casual use 
(when counting, not when referring to relationship partnerships) it isn't 
unusual for it to be used in place of 'a few' and possibly mean three or even 
four, but it's not technically *correct.*

I too hope your wife's logic is what holds true!

:)

k
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Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

> On Sep 6, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m happy paying for my license because I can see the value LC provides me, 
> and how my money directly affects their ability to output quality stuff. I 
> love FOSS, but I’d rather have a healthy LC Ltd around with the resources to 
> keep building amazing goodies.

As the meme goes: This!
This is bottom line stuff: the health of the company is paramount. If that 
fails we all lose.

k
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Re: M1 Mac mini for LC: First Impressions

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

> On 1 Aug 2021, at 21:28, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> M1 Chip with LC: Snappy but not amazing.
> In fact, my i5 budget Windows laptop
> was faster on the only task I've timed.

Very good to see this thoughtful list of your reactions and feelings. It will 
be fascinating to see how performance improves with a native Apple silicon 
build of LC, whenever that happens. In one sense it’s pretty damn impressive 
that things feel ‘just snappy’ in emulation, so for me it’s only mildly 
disappointing that it seems slower than your budget Win laptop and rather 
promising for the future. :-O 

k
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Re: Sharing a desktop app, or with beta testers

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

If only it was easier to do. 
I've actually stopped using LC much because the process of making apps that 
people can run without fuss has become ridiculous. I'm still hoping for a 
solution that isn't so aggressively hostile! The current situation feels like a 
direct threat to LiveCode the company, as it must be putting off more than a 
few people from becoming or staying customers.

k

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> On 26 Jan 2022, at 20:24, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you have an Apple Developer Account membership you could code sign and 
> notarize your app. 
> This should prevent the security issue.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
>> Am 26.01.2022 um 20:29 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Folks:
>> Sorry for this question which probably has been answered many times, but …. 
>> I’m trying not to waste my day searching around.
>> 
>> What’s the best way to send a desktop app on Apple OS 12.1 to a friend or 
>> beta tester? I sent an app and a security issue came up.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill P
>> 
>> William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
>> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
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Re: Forum Software LC?

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

> On 23 Sep 2023, at 15:32, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Discord looks really interesting.

To me, Discord looks like a refugee from a moderately poorly designed BBS from 
30 years ago. I use it (it's the student comms platform of choice for a course 
I teach on) and it does work well in the sense of being very functional, but it 
offends me on multiple levels.

k
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Re: Really OT, but i need the help of native English speakers

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

> The question is:
> Please select the option that best defines your user persona of FastSpring's 
> services.

This isn’t a very well constructed English sentence, so the meaning is a little 
up to interpretation. In this kind of apparent context a user persona could 
refer to someone’s avatar, but that doesn’t seem right. What are the options 
that are offered?

Keith

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