Re: Supress Standalone Builder Warnings

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Bob:

> Thanks for your help and Jacque as well.

Very welcome, good topic! But STILL a different/partial implementation –

‘Main stacks’ triggers wrong connotation for you.

Not the build stack  or the project stack ... but, in your case:

> library or behavior stacks

Yes, THOSE! Whatever stacks are identified via subsequent dialogs.

> I could enumerate all of those and then just have code that
> statically closes each stack.

Yep, that’s the delete part. Only the ones announced in dialogs. If more 
than a couple, use a repeat to test or try each separately.


(MAIN stacks, not substacks, for safety with LC ‘delete stack’!) 

> The SB ought not to do that!

Very true. Reported (again) to LC yet?

Already resolved for my project though, so I will focus on other LC 
issues here, after a break for more AAC setup!


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Re: Supress Standalone Builder Warnings

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Bob:

> Yes but as I mentioned, that did not work for me.

You used something DIFFERENT (a partial implementation) so different 
results -


That’s fine; it’s just not this particular workaround! 

I think you misread a code comment, now edited for clarity

> I still got the two messages after the first build,
> then messages for ALL my subsequent stack files

That’s what the last part does: close (‘delete’) any ADDITIONAL 
problematic main stacks in memory -


(NOT the build stack again!) - to avoid subsequent dialogs.

Then ... smooth building, here, ever since.

Your auto detection effort would be very useful, but just manually 
identify the SPECIFIC problem stacks, per the dialogs – and ‘delete’ the 
MAIN stacks thereof in the code.


If more than a couple main stacks to delete, I would use repeat with a 
test or try. Likewise, the isBuildingStandalone() function from Panos 
could provide a more specific closestack trigger if needed for splash 
stack, but I haven’t tried it in this workaround.


Whether behaviors or other issues could ever require an extra step, 
obviously we CAN enjoy the same build experience as pre-2020 SB, by 
simply using the same techniques! Just as I have.


> [Standalone Builder] ought to just work out of the box

YES! Reported (again) to LC yet?

It is a bug/defect, but that was denied at the time.

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Re: Supress Standalone Builder Warnings

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Thus, I'm pleased to have created the only (?) complete lower-code 
workaround for smooth standalone building, without needing to do ‘the 
dance’ to avoid LC purge dialogs, nor tweak many handlers. ;)


So here is the authentic tried-and-true workaround code again, with 
Comments Edited for stronger clarity versus hasty/casual reading!


Solved AND resolved, these 4 years –

But of course, needing ANY workaround for LC standalone building is just 
plain wrong!


That is awkward and a little creepy; it should indeed work right out of 
the box without ‘modifying code just to build’ as someone already said 
it well. I hope EVERYONE will encourage LC to fix this SB issue.


Meanwhile... Simplest way – In card 1 of main stack to build from:

on closestack
--- curryk 2020 no-purge LC build:
if the environment is "development" then
   lock messages
   --- and only if add'l loaded MAIN stacks with issues:
   try
  # delete stack "ABC"
  # delete stack "XYZ" --- etc
   end try
end if
end closestack

Of course, for a build workaround (or any LC work!) backup your stacks 
first, and don't mix/match methods without caution or ignore project 
setup. Read carefully to understand code and comments, and see ‘delete 
stack’ in LC reference.


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Re: Supress Standalone Builder Warnings

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Jacqueline:

> In that case, I'll have to try it next time.

Yes, not merely a suggestion; already works with SB here. :)

> I get the same results as Curry,
> I get two dialogs complaining there are open stacks

Not as Curry; that's due to a partial implementation.

See follow up. But you are working on same thing - Have fun!

Easy code, already solved, done. Just hard to type a long discussion -

Can't wait to get AAC app set up better, and do this more often!

Ultimately, though ...

Richard:

> In MC building a standalone was not a disruptive process.
> It shouldn't be in LC either, and certainly shouldn't
> require modifying code just to build.

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Re: Supress Standalone Builder Warnings

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Bob:

> Okay, well this is better. I only get the dialog twice,
> whether or not I delete the main stack or no.

> Standalone builder is leaving files open from the standalone
> that ought not be left open.

Yes, that’s what this last part does - Comments edited for clarity!

--- and only if add'l main stack(s) with issues:
try
 # delete stack "ABC"
 # delete stack "XYZ" --- etc
end try

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Re: Supress Standalone Builder Warnings

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Bob:

> put this in the closeStack of the splash stack or the main stack?

As it says - the 'stack to build' - saving standalone from.

> Also, isn’t the problem that when opening a stack Livecode detects
> the stack being opened has the same name as one already in memory?

As Jacqueline said:

> The engine used to lock messages when building a standalone
> but that was changed 4 years ago.

Bob:

> make backups of all your stacks first

Of course, and don't mix/match methods, or ignore your project setup -

Code in use 4 years, no issues; restores LC's own original SB technique!

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Re: Supress Standalone Builder Warnings

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Bob:

> I have about had it with the Standalone asking me if I want to
> save, purge or cancel for stacks that are already open.

Simplest way – In card 1 of main stack to build:

on closestack
   --- curryk 2020 no-purge LC build:
   if the environment is "development" then
  lock messages
  --- and only if add'l main stack issues:
  try
 # delete stack "XYZ"
  end try
   end if
end closestack

Jacqueline:

> The engine used to lock messages when building a standalone
> but that was changed 4 years ago.
> Personally I think it causes more problems than it solves.

Indeed; WAY more.

Richard:

> In MC building a standalone was not a disruptive process.
> It shouldn't be in LC either, and certainly shouldn't
> require modifying code just to build.

Amen! Well said.

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Can you almost hear me now? (AAC app underway)

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Good news: I’m working on a custom AAC app in LC, set up for everything 
– speech, plus all types of writing, including LC coding. (Yes, for 
writing its own code too.)


Eventually this should get me back to doing LC phone calls and video 
tutoring again, maybe even some YouTube or an LC conference talk, after 
several VERY quiet years of strictly text-only work!


But the first phase will still be mainly email - as things gradually 
start rolling, the AAC will allow me to contribute more to discussions 
here again, discuss addon plans and progress, and reconnect with people.


Not much choice; harder to type OR talk lately, all at the SAME time. So 
I had to up my game, swim different or sink.


Good thing is, I’ll probably publish the app to give people a different, 
more efficient low-input method and flexible-use AAC, compared to the 
status quo/industry herd!


Hopefully you will see me speak out and participate more here. 
Especially a bit later, AFTER more setup; good sign if so. Fingers 
crossed. 


Looking forward to interesting LC talks, solutions, and happenings

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Re: Licensing 6.7.11

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Ralph:

> Suddenly LC 6.7.11 says my license file has expired
> can't download a license file for 6.7.11.
> The only versions are 9 and 10? Any ideas?

LC 6.7.11 works here, but similar happened once before -

Probably LC Licensing backend issue; contact Support!

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Re: disabled buttons still receive events, they just process them, later?

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Jacqueline:

> Exactly 37 years. I remember because I started learning HC when
> my son was born in order to take my mind off diapers.

I like that! Every HC story is poetic, mine too.

Mike:

> it's amazing that even after...a really long time...
> there's still stuff to learn.

Plus the latest workarounds! :)

Then ... (spoiler alert) Apple and competitors want inside your head.

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Re: web

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Sean:

> forced to abandon my projects, income and business as a result
> Good luck waiting for LC10 to be anywhere near ready for stable use.

Hi Sean, I feel for you! Sad about the terrible breaks. Whatever you do, 
NEVER lose heart; I’ve had ‘rug pulls’ here twice –


1. First with FieldTrip: Fixed development budget raised, while a 
partner would test; simple plan.


But LC notified a coming LC 6 change. Coding twice would break budget, 
so I asked for details Crickets! No info. A general mixup, or 
perhaps unrelated secrecy about LC 7?


During that delay, project partner had to move on, so no team testing. 
Meanwhile Apple/LC were rapidly changing UI etc, plus I had a hospital 
stay and ended up in wheelchair most of the time; not the easiest situation!


2. Second ‘rug pull’ was last year – A client project had delays partly 
from health/long COVID, but also largely because of myriad LC bugs and 
limitations. Whack-a-mole: field, clipboard, image, web, etc, every area 
had something askew!


So, I worked (as it turns out, volunteered) on workarounds and bug 
reports or CCs for old bugs, when the non-LC clients probably didn’t 
understand or appreciate such things and simply blamed me; an 
unprofitable situation. I happen to love workarounds, but this was too 
much, especially sans pay in the end.


Thus:

It’s a time when LC should probably focus (LISTEN MORE) on more RELIABLE 
code/features and straightforward platform BUILDS, stabilize the base, 
not just the next hot exciting trend. As others here have said extremely 
well. It delays everything, addons too.


But I know I was put here in LC land for a reason, and wouldn’t change 
that! Love LC and its roots.


So MANY good experiences here, beyond those 2 challenging ‘carpet 
malfunctions’ above.


What doesn’t kill us ... makes us awesome and mighty. Life requires that 
faith and perseverance. Here’s hoping for a great 2024 for all, whatever 
it holds, and an even BETTER 2025!


Best wishes,

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Re: Mousedown in Application Menubar Messages

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David:

> I'm having a difficult to track down issue with application menus I've
> created using the Menu Builder tool - everything works but the
> "mouseDown" message is not sent to the group -
> well sometimes it is sometimes it is not :)

I remember a similar issue - are you on Mac?

The menubar being on the OS can require coding consideration -

and mouseDown rings a bell, if you have any further details

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AW: Re: macOS window maximization weirdness

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Paul:

> So, I finally tracked this maximization weirdness down.

Good job cracking the case, for this particular maximization example!

> The issue also only occurs if the resizeStack handler
> for the window uses the passed parameters

BEST PRACTICE for LC:

1. Instead of param, use property such as width of stack when possible -
more robust/durable across LC/OS versions with use cases and other code.
Specific bugs get reported and fixed over time, but properties help.

2. Put actual resize code in a separate command -
reinforces habit #1, facilitates testing, can call from other handlers.

> However, on macOS ONLY (not Windows) when a window is maximized,
> after the resizeStack ... a desktopChanged message is also sent

Safe to assume that Windows will have similar issues now or later -
the trend is OS's making a big deal of windowing/arrangement tricks.

> My problem was that I also have a on desktopChanged handler ...
> set the effective width of window tWindow to tMonitorWidth ...
> which sends a resizeStack message to the stack/window.
> However, when it is sent this 2nd time ...
> pNewWidth and pNewHeight are EMPTY

Definitely this part is a bug to report!
Those params should be reliable every time.

> Does anyone have a valid reason why macOS should receive a
> desktopChanged message on window maximization when Windows does not?

Good question! Also keep an eye out for future similar Windows issues.

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Re: macOS window maximization weirdness

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Paul:

> on certain macOS versions, maximizing the window results in
> no controls being drawn or most controls being drawn incorrectly.

When drawn incorrectly, are controls the wrong sizes/rects?
Or content/visual glitches? Of what nature?

Thought it might be worth following up, in case anyone saw similar -
or might jog my own memory! So many LC/OS issues, details help

Happy 2024!

Best wishes,

Curry K.

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Re: Bug 23507 - LC Clipboard Polling Failure

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Bernd:

> I then changed to 'fullClipboardData' instead of 'ClipboardData'
> and that worked for without a hitch for minutes.

Thanks, that may even have potential for a temp workaround!

It makes the Windows outcome more like Mac:
Glitches, but seems to reset a few seconds later, without LC restart.

So, "full" might be the ONLY reliable Clipboard access on Windows...

My test stack looks like a special case, but actually just simulates 
normal user copy and paste or poll over time.


(There is likewise an opposite LC bug, failing to COPY text from LC.
Haven't made a recipe/trigger stack for that one yet.)

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Re: Bug 23507 - LC Clipboard Polling Failure

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Paul:

> I have very limited time and resources and I'd like to spend MORE
> of it making new features for my products tha[n] fixing bugs that
> happen because a new macOS (or Windows) came out or a new version
> of Livecode or some combination breaks what was working.

Last month I wanted to post my Top 3 favorite list posts of 2023.
But only had 2 posts Behold, the 3rd! Thanks Paul.

I like that, and it perfectly sums up my experience for several years.
(I love some challenges and workarounds, but not a continual onslaught.)

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Re: Bug 23507 - LC Clipboard Polling Failure

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Ralph:

> do a send in time to the real resizing code.

Oh I fixed mine smooth as butter, but still blamed! First impressions...
(Plus some extra bias since I can't do phone/voice anymore, per health.)

But A: That's the other thread; This one is LC Clipboard Polling bug!

And B: Main context is Paul's situation, possibly an engine or OS issue.
(As mine was, but a different specific one. Required a big workaround.)

Thanks!

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Re: macOS window maximization weirdness

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

I've seen maximization issues, and been blamed for LC/OS tendencies!

1. Can you make a bare bones test stack to trigger the issue?

That would lead to bug report or a code fix/workaround.

2. Separately: LC needs maximizeStack msg and maximized window property.

Good use cases, plus another workaround tool for NEXT similar issue. :)

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Bug 23507 - LC Clipboard Polling Failure

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Any progress to fix LC's Clipboard Polling Failure Bug?

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23507

Needed this for an app.

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Re: We lost an Angle

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Hi Ralph,

God bless you both! Precious time together well spent.

Best wishes,

Curry K.

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Re: Top things you are waiting for ....

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Good thread!

These would help in WORDLIB, FIELDTRIP, client work, and generally:

1. LC Field Bugs: Tab false selection area, cr before image removes it, 
Effective textFont fails, Pasting adds null, Bad Thai/Myanmar text wrap, 
Wrong (truncated) text reported for mouseover/selections, No Mouse-Wheel 
scroll after Ctrl-Click launch.


2. LC Player Bugs, Clipboard Bugs, and the amazing Invisible Menu bug.

3. Richard's common-sense REALITY note: A user-friendly devtool MUST 
fully integrate support to build/sign/etc for targeted OS platforms!


My reported and CC'd LC bugs; search LC-QA for email "curry":





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Re: Property Inspector bug for keys with commas in the key name

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Mark, re Inspector and custom property names with commas:

> I agree its an annoyance - and is something which is resolvable

1. Great news! Because that code/data reality is hard to avoid:

- EVERY shipping LC app's stack has cRevStandaloneSettings ...
- If the IDE or app has build glitches, we need to check props -
- Right now, even VIEWING them with Inspector can CORRUPT data.

Likewise, you confirmed commas work with set[prop] and indirect syntax.
Thus, users do it - just like LC Ltd does; goose/gander - important fix.

2. Here's a set of 3 other Custom Property editor Scroll/Selection Bugs:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24391

Hat-trick to make the Inspector succeed at custom property editing -
Just need to fix the scrolling glitches and lost selections.

3. And YES to your proposal, thanks:

> an obvious syntactic extension would be allowing
> quoting of the property keyword: the "foo,bar,baz" of me.

Here's a "get" Request and "set" Bug report for reliably quoting custom 
property names:


https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24392

See the "Quoted Name Test" button for thorough code and results.

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Re: Property Inspector bug for keys with commas in the key name

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Mark:

> to access your custom properties with `the X of` syntax -
> it is *this* kind of access which is *not* possible
> if the custom property name is not an identifier

Discussion is perception - Code is reality:

   put "I,love,commas*etc" into X
   set the X of me to "Hi, Mark!"
   answer the X of me

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23512

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Re: Property Inspector bug for keys with commas in the key name

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Bernd:

> "Livecode User Guide" 9.6.10 - Custom Property Names
> any combination of letters, digits, and underscores
> treeview could not expect a comma in a customproperty name.

Hi Y'all,

Anyone ever hear of the cRevStandaloneSettings?

Wonderful (official) prop set ... especially all the commas!

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Curry K. Website/Addons Progress and Plans

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Hi Guys,

Periodically posting Progress and Plans

Recently Done:

- Fixed CurryK's link to LC's Store.

Coming up:

- Add WordOut to CurryK/SendOwl Store. (After eSellerate's demise.)

Curry K. Plan:

1. Update/fix Website and Store issues. <- CURRENTLY

2. Reboot Email news list again. (Provider changes.)

3. Addon Updates and fixes.

4. Next Big Thing, New Curry K. Tech.

Moving a bit slowly at the moment with health/handicap, but hope to 
gather speed later in the year!


Hope you all are well and enjoying the blessings of code and logic. :)

Best wishes,

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WordReport 1.3 - Order Download Link fixed

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WordReport's after-order Download Link fixed in CurryK/SendOwl store.

(And an unrelated WordReport delivery issue fixed by LC in their store.)

Thanks Fernando Riccio and Heather!

Anyone previously affected, please use the Download on the page below.

More news soon

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Belated Christmas, Back soon, Addon Updates

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas!

Thanks Richard and others for checking up on me:

I just had a really LONG bout of Long Covid. Be back here soon.

(Sorry Sean, to mention HEALTH! But if I don't mention it, that's just a 
weird long silence with never an explanation, right?)


More Addon UPDATES coming up this year too!

When I get my Summer MegaBundle payment, I plan to use some of it for 
that effort.


Y'all take care! More news soon

Best wishes,

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Re: Anyone else experience this bug?

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> livecode process just goes poof
> Has anyone else experienced it?

Me! I get the IDE Vanishing Act on Windows, once per week.

But perhaps a DIFFERENT bug or a different trigger:

Not when interacting specifically with Styled text.

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Re: Hey Lurkers: Anyone still using LC 6.7? (Regulars too)

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Me:
> I would like to know if some people still need LC 6.7.

BTW, I will support LC 6.7 in most addons for 2022-2023!

A few users still need it. Plus I like to benchmark with it
and perform some debugging there.

(After mid-2023, I'll gradually start moving past 6.7.)

Rick:
> Ah, the old days of LC 6.7 when LiveCode was fast.
> How much I miss that!

Yes! But LC 9 is getting there with optimization lately.
Once a version of LC 9/10 beats LC 6.7 on most tasks,
that will become my new benchmark to beat.

Matthias:
> I've updated old and created new apps with different
> versions of LC6 w/o any big problems.

Same here, for me LC 6.7 was more stable than 5, 7, or 8.
All of which I also used for projects. 9 is pretty good.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.7

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panos:
> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements
> of this new release here:
> https://livecode.com/9-6-7-stable-maintenance-release/

Nice! Thanks for these fixes

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Re: SpreadLib and SpreadOut (Was: Excel Lib 1.4)

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Me:
>> Or try the original
> Meaning SpreadLib, the original LC spreadsheet import addon!

Bob:
> I did check that out. But my specific application requires I produce
> a new spreadsheet, and I didn’t see with your product how to do that.

Thanks. SpreadLib comes with SpreadOut for spreadsheet output:

spreadOut the htmltext of field "spread",tColWidths
(or)
spreadOut tDataArray, tColWidths

In the Try SpreadLib demo, click the Try SpreadOut button!

(And the Summer SpreadLib Update will include SpreadOut too.)

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Re: Excel Lib 1.4

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Me:
> Or try the original

Meaning SpreadLib, the original LC spreadsheet import addon!

My own Addon Store is finally back online this year,
after going down when eSellerate died. Now with SendOwl.

(And a few days ago, I got SpreadLib back up for sale.)

It's linked below.

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Re: Emojis in Text

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Dan:
> I save that text somewhere like a database. When I load it back
> (into a LC field for display), it appears as a question mark. What up?

Paul:
> make sure they are not being lost in the upload to the database -
> the database encoding needs to support some Unicode encoding like UFT8

I love Unicode Emojis. 
Very useful although not consistent between platforms! 

To/from a database usually needs more care with the methods,
but Paul's info about encoding should get you back up and running. 

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Re: Excel Lib 1.4

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(Cough, cough)

Or try the original

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Re: Hey Lurkers: Anyone still using LC 6.7? (Regulars too)

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(P.S. I already employ new features or syntax
only supported in v9.x and up, but that means
maintaining a small bit of branched 6/9 code.

Like to move beyond that eventually, but no rush;
whatever people need!)

Best wishes,

Curry K.

===

Richmond:

What do you mean when you write "I'm still supporting LC 6.7"?


Bob:

I believe he means that utilities he creates will still function
when used with 6.7, but wouldn't if he employs new features
or syntax only supported in v9.x and up.


Me:
> Correct! "I'm still supporting LC 6.7" for my Addons:
> WordLib, WordOut, SpreadLib, WordReport, FieldTrip, etc.

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Re: Hey Lurkers: Anyone still using LC 6.7? (Regulars too)

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Richmond:
> What do you mean when you write "I'm still supporting LC 6.7"?

Bob:
> I believe he means that utilities he creates will still function
> when used with 6.7, but wouldn't if he employs new features
> or syntax only supported in v9.x and up.

Correct! "I'm still supporting LC 6.7" for my Addons:
WordLib, WordOut, SpreadLib, WordReport, FieldTrip, etc.

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Re: [ANN] SpreadLib ordering is back online

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Bob:

> I'm really looking forward to this update Curry.
> I have a current need for parsing excel spreadsheets.

Thanks, I'm excited about this one too!

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Hey Lurkers: Anyone still using LC 6.7? (Regulars too)

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To plan addon development for the next few years,
I would like to know if some people still need LC 6.7.

If you're a Lurker, that's OK! If shy: offlist is fine.
(Regulars welcome too, of course.)

Currently I'm still supporting LC 6.7 too, but as LC 9
matures on bugs/stability and performance, hopefully
there will come a time when I can make this decision.

Supporting LC 6.7 and 9/10 is fine, in fact it's fun,
but moving past 6.7 eventually would have some perks.
So the question is how long people will still need it.

Your input will help guide my plan! Thanks.

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[ANN] SpreadLib ordering is back online

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The SpreadLib order page is back up:

http://livecodeaddons.com/spreadlib.html
http://livecodeaddons.com/buy-spreadlib

This is NOT a new version! Just the "store restored"
after going offline when eSellerate died.
(I've marked the price down a bit, though, at SendOwl.)

We have a MUCH newer private release made for 2020,
but COVID nuked my productivity those last two years,
so it never got the License keys for a public release.

That's a priority this year, therefore

Here's the SpreadLib for 2022 Plan:

- Public release during Summer.
- New backend integration for more frequent updates.
- Newer Mac improvements.
- Multi-sheet handling.
- Updated and expanded Documentation.
- Many more improvements done before 2020.

(Meanwhile, WordLib is first in line again,
with a minor version coming up around Easter
for supercharged MS Word Comments.)

Happy coding! More news soon

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[ANN] WordReport 1.3 Release

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Howdy List,

I'm very happy to announce:
WordReport 1.3.0.0 release!

Download WordReport 1.3:
http://livecodeaddons.com/wordreport.html
http://curryk.com/WordReport-13000.zip

Purchase WordReport 1.3:
http://livecodeaddons.com/buy-wordreport

(1,000 License keys stocked at SendOwl;
instant delivery. PayPal or Card.)

Summary:

WordReport 1.3 humors Mac permission quirks,
uses my new (more frequent!) release backend,
and includes a big documentation/files update.

Changes:

- Fixed a file permission error on Mac
- ccLib integration
- More backend automation
(for more frequent updates)
- Added WordReportInfo()
- Updated Try stack, Test docs, links
- Updated User Guide, New FAQ
- Tested LC 9.6.6

WordReport Pricing:

Major versions (1.3, 1.4, 2.0) cost $79 USD.
(Same price for everyone; new and upgrades.)

Any minor updates to a version are free.
(1.3 License key will work with all 1.3.x.x versions.)

New goal is 1 major update per year.

More Notes:

The biggest goal for 1.3 was getting WordReport
ready for more frequent updates, and a Mac fix.

I'll also aim for a minor update this year,
if the schedule allows after other addons.

Coming up next:

1. WordLib Minor Update (Around Easter?)
2. SpreadLib Major Update (Schedule TBD)

(Extra details on WordLib Easter Update next time.)

Happy coding! More news soon

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Re: Standalone build under Big Sur on M1 Airbook

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Paul:

> building an app under Big Sur on a new M1 Airbook

> macOS told me the command 'lipo' was not installed

> Has anyone else seen this?

I only noticed this thread today, but FWIW ... Yes!
Exactly the same when setting up M1 Mac mini.

I think I had to install a recent xCode, after
first updating to a newer version of Big Sur.

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Re: full justification in a text field

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Curt:

> text with full justification in a field?

Paul:

> no justified option. There is a REALLY old enhancement request
> at https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4714

Howdy,

I know how to do this perfectly, and would love to add
full justification to WordLib if there's demand/budget.

Anyone else interested?

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Re: Script Compiler - One More Question

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Me:

> How do you plan to avoid a repeat of the LC 7 bug onslaught?

Heather:

> Curry - please email support and we will be happy to help with this.

Thanks! But I don't see this as a private 1-on-1 support issue;
if it's not a general/public approach, not sure it could help.
So for my purposes, I believe that answers the question.
(I'll save us both the time and skip the support ticket.)

Back to work

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Script Compiler - One More Question

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Script Compiler - One More Question:

After the survey there was an email "Your Questions Answered."
I put a concern in the survey, just without a question mark!

(And I don't recall any survey directions specifying
that concerns/comments should be worded as questions.)

It's easy to add a question mark:

Deja vu of LC 7. Big new changes + new engineers = LOTS OF BUGS! After 
all these years, we are just recently starting to turn the tide on LC 
6-9 bugs. How do you plan to avoid a repeat of the LC 7 bug onslaught?*


Knowing that would help me decide my level of interest/support.
Good project if such problems can be avoided; and vice versa.

* The proposed changes also deeply involve the non-compiled engine;
to clarify, I'm primarily concerned about the non-compiled product.
(All the more so, since it's impacted whether we use compiler or not!)

Thanks!

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Weather and WordReport

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Hi List,

I hope our colleagues in Central and NorthEast USA
are OK this weekend! (Big cold, snow, power outages.)
Pretty rough conditions.

On the Curry front, WordReport 1.3 is nearly ready
to take on the forces of evil and various reports.
More news soon

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Re: [ ANN ] Release 9.6.6

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Panos:

> LiveCode 9.6.6 comes with several changes,
> including fixes for lots of the bugs
> you requested in the recent survey:

Excellent!

Good progress in the War on Bugs

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Re: video formats for Windows in LC 9.6.5?

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Curt:

> In the previous version we used clips
> in MP4 format with the suffix .m4v

> Are there any tips for using H.264 videos on Windows with 9.6.5?

Your Windows app should (encourage users to/) install:

LAV Filters

https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters

(I've heard that a future LC version will add better support.)

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Re: LC Bug: Clipboard Polling Failure

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Me:

> BTW, I have a potential user workaround

I was almost afraid to mention that:
sure enough, LC bombed out after I did! :D

So to be clear, this will NOT solve the issue.
(User workarounds are only bandaids at best.)

Disclaimer:

This LC bug needs a real fix. It locks up the clipboard,
and perhaps any user copy/paste could trigger it.
The end-user has to restart your app to paste again.

But...this may help A LITTLE with A FEW use cases,
especially IN-HOUSE workflows where YOU are the user.

Disciplined user workaround:

I am manually copying info from a web browser
and LC works on the clipboard contents.

Previously the LC clipboard would hang often,
so I had to restart LC 2 or 3 times a day.

When creating the test stack and bug recipe,
faster clipboard access helped trigger it.

So I tried making my manual copying actions
slower and more deliberate: more time after
and between selections to copy, etc.
"Slow Is Smooth, and Smooth Is Fast."

Results:

Now I have to restart LC every 2 or 3 days.
A bit better. (Disciplined users only!) :)

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Re: LC Bug: No Mouse Wheel Scroll after a Ctrl-Click Launch

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Tom:

> wow Curry that must have been a hard one to track down.
> knowing me, i'll run into it.

A bit tricky! :)

BTW, I have a potential user workaround
for the other bug I reported last week.
I will post it soon

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LC Bug: No Mouse Wheel Scroll after a Ctrl-Click Launch

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LC Bug:

After you Ctrl-click a link that uses "launch"
the text field will NOT scroll with the Mouse Wheel
unless you first press a keyboard key or modifier.

Not only is Ctrl-click the official way
to activate links while editing text in LiveCode,
but MS Word uses Ctrl-click for links too,
so it's a widely-trained habit! :)

Here's the bug report:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23520

More details:

This bug does not specifically require Ctrl or click.
(Or even an edited field.) Any launch or shell
while a modifier key is down will trigger it.

Then LC fields aren't aware of modifier key status.
The test stack demos two ways to trigger this.

Bonus side effect:

This might be a valuable clue to explain
some rare LC Script Editor glitches, too!
(Each fix gets us closer to a rock-solid SE.)

Platform:

Tested with LC 9.6.6-rc-2 on Windows 10.
My current recipe did NOT trigger for me on Mac.
So, I'm not sure yet whether Mac is affected
by this bug or anything similar.

That wraps up my Weekend Big-Game LC Bug Hunt!

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Re: Mostly OT

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Mark:

> Modelling these kinds of dynamics in software (like MIT did)
> ... like forecasting weather: typically reserved for super computers.

That's actually a good way to emphasize my point: NOT like MIT did!

Super computers are great, but assumptions and inputs win this one.
No need to use equally resource-intensive technique.

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LC Bug: Clipboard Polling Failure

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Latest LC Clipboard Bug:
LC Clipboard Polling Failure.

This bug makes the LC instance unaware
of clipboard text copied in other apps.

Failure triggers on Windows and Mac;
looks like both platforms need a fix.

On Mac, the clipboard resets a few seconds later.
But on Windows, you may have to restart LC.
I haven't found a workaround yet.

Here's the bug report:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23507

Some good progress on LC Clipboard Bugs lately;
the crashing bug I reported has been fixed.
Hope this Failure to Read Clipboard can be too!

Thanks

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Re: Only kinda OT

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Mark:
> It cannot hurt to be prepared for something unusual
> in the first half of this century.

WW3 appears imminent; before/after 2030 is the big question!
(That greatly impacts the tech and resources involved.)

Good LC "calcportunity" - I may have a go later this year.
Needs the right data inputs, weighed objectively to estimate.

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Re: Only kinda OT

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Mark:

MIT study that predicted that Society will collapse in 2040


Bob:

I thought it was 1984. Or 2000. Not sure.


Not OT if they used LC for the prediction! :)

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WordLib Coupon Last Chance, WordReport Next Up

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WordLib Christmas Coupon Ending:
It's been a great 12 days of Christmas!

January 5 is the last discount day,
so if you haven't yet, last boarding call.

Download WordLib 2.3:

http://livecodeaddons.com/wordlib.html

Purchase WordLib 2.3:

http://livecodeaddons.com/buy-wordlib

Christmas Coupon: NOEL-2021
Discount: Extra 30% Off
(Don't forget your Coupon during checkout!)

Q: Will the LC Store have this Coupon too?
A: Very possibly! What I know for sure
is that WordLib 2.3 and the Coupon
are available right now at CurryK

Coming up next: WordReport Update

Happy coding! More news soon

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Re: I wish all a Happy & Prosperous New year

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Dittos! Welcome to 2022, everyone.
Likewise, Merry 7th/8th Day of Christmas.

Jim:
> A very Happy, Prosperous and Safe 2022 to all!

Clarence:
> Back at you Jim.

Best wishes,

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WordLib Christmas Coupon: Final Days to Save

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Ho ho - whoa - only one week to go?

Yep, I'm honoring all 12 days of Christmas
with a WordLib 2.3 Coupon for 30% Off.

But we're already at the half-way point;
after January 5, this deal is history.

So get it while it's ... cold.
And may your New Year be ... bold.

Q: Can I use PayPal?
A: Yes! That's the default.

Q: Can I use a card?
A: Yes! Just log OUT of PayPal beforehand,
and you'll see "PayPal Guest Checkout"
with credit/debit card options.

Q: Will the LC Store have this Coupon?
A: Very possibly! What I know for certain
is that WordLib 2.3 and the Coupon
are available right now at CurryK

Download WordLib:

http://livecodeaddons.com/wordlib.html

Purchase WordLib:

https://sowl.co/s/n4Lh1

Christmas Coupon: NOEL-2021
Discount: Extra 30% Off
(Don't forget your Coupon during checkout!)

Coming up next (revised):

1. Projects. (Clients ALWAYS come first!)
2. Further backend automation (Early January)
3. WordReport Update (End of January?)
4. Restoring SpreadLib ordering
5. SpreadLib/WordOut Updates (Schedule TBD)
6. The next big thing (and FT) :)

Happy coding! More news soon

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: chartsEngine bug with version 10 of LC

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Scott:

> So you are saying that if the first char of the string is a number

No! There is no number.
Don't think about numbers. :)
Both sides are text in your comparison.

> it uses the ascii value of the first char?

Always! Because both sides are text.
Two text strings. No numbers.

LC compares the FIRST CHAR of each text.
(If they are equal: then the 2nd chars, etc.)

> “9foo”  >  9

Because "9" = "9" ... but "f" > "".

If you want a numerical comparison,
both sides must be numbers!

Once you have two dots, or an "f" etc, it's a string.
And if either side is text, the comparison is textual.

Best wishes,

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Re: chartsEngine bug with version 10 of LC

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Scott:

> I’m still a little unclear about exactly what is going on here.

Because you are NOT comparing numbers.
You are comparing (like sorting) text.

That usually means: the FIRST CHAR of each string.
(The ASCII/ANSI/etc values of those chars.)

> put “7.foo” < 9 -- returns “true”

Because "7" < "9".

> put “77.foo” < 9 -- returns “true”

Because "7" < "9". (FIRST CHAR)

I just looked at WordLib's code:
it's already coded correctly!
Ready for LC version 10 or LC 1000.

(Going way back, I was already cautious
about these dotted-version comparisons.)

Best wishes,

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Re: chartsEngine bug with version 10 of LC

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Scott:

> why "9.6.6-rc-1” evaluates as not less than 5
> but "10.0.0-dp-1” evaluates to less than 5.

That's the tricky thing about dotted versions;
easy to forget and set up a text comparison:

"9" > "5"
"1" < "5"

Once you have two dots, or an rc/dp, it's a string.
They seem to compare perfectly...until you pass 9.
That's why I used integer versions for some libs.

"10.0.0" < "5"

(I should check my code too; thanks for this reminder!)

Best wishes,

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Re: WordLib 2.3.0.6 Update and Christmas 30% Coupon Code

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Continuing from this morning

WordLib 2.3 store notes:

It looks like the LiveCode Ltd store
still has WordLib version 2.2 online;
they'll have 2.3 set up eventually
due to the holiday timing.

Meantime, order 2.3 at Curry K./SendOwl;
they are delivering WordLib keys instantly,
and I've got 1,000 keys in stock there
so the orders are flowing smoothly.

(Don't forget your Coupon during checkout!)

Christmas Coupon Code:

Coupon: NOEL-2021
Discount: Extra 30% Off

Get it here:

http://livecodeaddons.com/wordlib.html

Buy it now:

https://sowl.co/s/n4Lh1

---

Curry K. backend notes:

The backend is now about 5x more automated,
not only for WordLib but all Curry K. addons.
That's crucial for faster public updates.

Originally I thought 5x would be perfect,
but after this WordLib release (pant pant)
I need to further double the automation!

Then updates will be truly efficient.
So, now that's on top of my addon to-do list.

(Right after restoring SpreadLib ordering,
which went offline when eSellerate choked.
Alas eSellerate is no more; thus a new store.)

Coming up next:

1. Restoring SpreadLib ordering (This week)
2. Further backend automation (Early January)
3. WordReport Update (End of January?)
4. SpreadLib/WordOut Updates (Schedule TBD)
5. The next big thing (and FT) :)

Download WordLib:

http://livecodeaddons.com/wordlib.html

Purchase WordLib:

https://sowl.co/s/n4Lh1

More news soon

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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WordLib 2.3.0.6 Update and Christmas 30% Coupon Code

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I'm happy to announce: WordLib 2.3.0.6.

Get it here:

http://livecodeaddons.com/wordlib.html

Buy it now:

https://sowl.co/s/n4Lh1

What is WordLib?

Import Microsoft Word and OpenOffice documents
right into your own LiveCode fields
with the amazing and popular WordLib addon!

(Images, tabs, hilites, tables, Unicode, the works.)

Changes in this version:

WordLib 2.3 fixes text after ordered lists,
font/style formatting is more accurate,
and you get much cleaner htmlText markup.

The User Guide text is freshly-updated
with modernized LC scripting samples.
Plus, the Media Folder location
keeps recent Mac OS versions happy.

Most important of all are the backend changes:
not only for WordLib but all Curry K. addons.
That paves the way for faster updates* (!)
and for greater things still to come.

WordLib Revised Pricing:

Kill inflation while you conquer documents!
I've lowered the addon full price. Ho ho ho

- Major versions (2.3, 2.4, 3.0) cost $49 USD.
(Same price for everyone; new and upgrades.)

- Any minor updates to a version are free.
(2.3 License key works for all 2.3.x.x versions.)

*New goal is 1 major update per year; we'll see.

Christmas Coupon Code:

Coupon: NOEL-2021
Discount: Extra 30% Off

(Christmas Coupon active now through New Year.
Be sure to enter the Coupon during checkout!)

WordLib is tested primarily with LiveCode 9.6
on Windows 10 i5 and Mac Big Sur M1.
(Still works on LC 6.7 too.)

I'll post more info and plans tonight.
This is the first step in a bigger effort

Happy coding!

Download WordLib:

http://livecodeaddons.com/wordlib.html

Purchase WordLib:

https://sowl.co/s/n4Lh1

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Serial Communication with an I/O board (New user)

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Good topic; probably deserves a relevant subject line! :)
(Easier to notice, both live and in the Archive.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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===

Alex:

> the project has to be able to communicate with an I/O board (Numato 
16 channel USB GPIO Module for example) from a Windows Standalone 
application.


Sean:


Once you've installed the driver for your adapter on Win10, go to the
Device Manager, Ports and find out what COM port it's linked to (eg, COM2).
Now in LiveCode, you don't need to know the driver name to write to. Just
use the command:
open driver "COM2:" for write
This sets the plane for communication. Next, you need to set up the
settings, eg:
set the serialControlString to "BAUD=9600 PARITY=N DATA=8 STOP=1"
These are actually the default settings, so do nothing if these are the
settings you want.
Now you just need to know the commands to send.
https://numato.com/docs/16-channel-usb-relay-module/#the-command-set-20
write "readall" & return to driver "COM2:"
read from driver "COM2:" for 4 -- ie, 4 characters
The read command immediately after the write allows it to accept the
response from the GPIO, in this example, for 4 characters in length (to
receive the 4 hex characters like 16AF)

And that's it pretty much. It's super easy and fun. With Wifi modules you
can use any device to communicate with them. We used iPad mini's which made
it super flexible.
Let us all know if you run into any issues and need help.

All the best

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.6 RC-1

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Panos:

> including fixes for lots of
> the bugs you requested in the recent survey

Nice! A great day for LiveCode

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Re: open socket on start up and can't close

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Craig:

> I have never understood how anyone working with LC,
> at any level of expertise, can lurk silently either here
> or on the Forum, and never ask a question, comment on something,
> complain or praise, whatever.

Understanding is a valuable commodity!

Not everyone is extrovert/expulsive.
Not all have the time or inclination.
And the list goes on ... different strokes.

None of which necessarily mean less interest
or enthusiasm for LC. Many a quiet sage

Interesting backstory too; thanks for sharing.

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Re: open socket on start up and can't close

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Craig:

> ROBERT EPPICH?

More people read this list than anyone might assume.
A few regulars - but many others who work/lurk! :)

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Upcoming Changes for WordLib, WordReport, etc.

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

For the Curry K. addons I'm happy to announce:
backend, release flow, and pricing changes

1. MORE, FASTER, A FLURRY!

Finally had a chance to update
the backend for my LC addons.

It's mucho más way-more automated,
so updates can be MORE FREQUENT!

Planned this literally 10 years ago!
But clients ALWAYS come first.
(And improving health took a while.)

--

2. MINOR VERSIONS WILL BE PUBLIC.

The backend will allow better overall flow

Old way: Big wait ... ... major release.
(Minor versions were usually dp/private,
since public releases were a big process.)

New way: Major, minor, minor, Major, etc.
(Faster fixes, try new stuff sooner.)

--

3. REVISED PRICING TO MATCH.

Also new pricing: $49 per major version.
(Minor updates free for that version.)
Aiming for 1 major version per year.

(Versions will keep working as always;
still version-based, not a subscription.)

WordLib is still the lucky winner
emerging first from the new chute!

A Christmas-y release timeframe,
maybe a coupon code to fit the season.

(WordReport should be next; then we'll see.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: December Archive, Where (4) art Thou?

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Woohoo, now it's back! Nice. (Thanks.)

Me:

> The use-livecode Archive outage continues;
> still no December 2021 Archive page

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/

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Re: December Archive, Where (4) art Thou?

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

The use-livecode Archive outage continues;
still no December 2021 Archive page

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/

Me:

> Will a hero rise to the occasion,
> or will an entire month be lost to history?

> Meantime, here's an alternative:



Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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---

Mark:

> Its a side-effect of deleting a recent post
> which contained sensitive information

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December Archive, Where (4) art Thou?

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

In our last cliffhanging adventure, we saw
the November use-lc Archive lurch back to life
after a mid-month near-death experience.

Yet today another symptom rises from the ashes,
gentle reader, to threaten the free world:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/

Where's December?

Will a hero rise to the occasion,
or will an entire month be lost to history?
That is the question.

We'll find out, in this thrilling episode
of the LC List Reality Show

Meantime, here's an alternative:



I'm keeping that bookmarked now as a backup.

(Problem is that anyone else in digest mode
won't see this email until tomorrow; but ah well.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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---

Mark:

> Its a side-effect of deleting a recent post
> which contained sensitive information

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Re: Reading LC List Digests

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Bob:

> Does anybody know a a great interface for digests from the LC lists ?

Yep, here's the best one:



> To some extent digests works OK as at the top of the digest
> you get the “Today’s Topics” summary and each message/post numbered.

Yep, the digest email is the TV Guide. The list archive is the TV.

> I also get to see who has posted what, which I suspect like you,
> I use as a filter.

Not really; accuracy depends on what is posted, not who.

> Frankly, the scrolling is a pain especially as posts
> are not grouped by topic, they are chronologically grouped,

Archive is easy to scroll, full screen, can be sorted several ways.

> plus people often repeat the whole thread in their reply
> which makes scrolling arduous.

Yeah! That bugs me too, no matter where I read.
But variety is the spice of life!

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: LC Clipboard Polling Hang: Reported yet?

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List archive up, so following up

Matthias:

> are you experiencing this on Windows or macOS?

Intentionally omitted here; if I mention one,
people tend to make assumptions about the other.
(That fuels myths which can persist for years!) :)

I'd rather ask both sets of users: seen this?
At this point, no platform is eliminated yet.

Tom:

> Thanks for the heads up about this
> before I decide to rebuild using LC 9.6.5

No, it existed in 9.6.3 also; a veteran 9.x bug!

Me:

> I'm seeing a hang in LC 9.x when
> accessing the clipboard repeatedly.

Still no precise recipe yet;
will file a report when I have one.

> 1. clipboardData["text"] stops
> reporting the current data.

This is what happens when the bug strikes!

> 2. Then LC itself hangs up

(Recanting this #2; it may be unrelated.
Probably #1 is the only true bug symptom.)

(OK, here goes, let's see if this email archives.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Broken: November use-livecode Archive!

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The November use-livecode Archive has been broken
for around 20 hours:



It has many misparsed "No subject" posts,
and after those, no new emails show up.
No archived emails since "Nov 17 07:41:36 EST 2021".

People who are subscribed to the daily Digest,
like myself, will not be able to see any replies
or other posts until the next day's email Digest.

Luckily the email Digest still works, but
it's pretty crippled without the web Archive.

(Also I can't verify whether my email goes through,
so I'll be cross-posting to the dev-list
for that purpose. The dev archive still works.)

:)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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LC Clipboard Polling Hang: Reported yet?

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

I'm seeing a hang in LC 9.x when
accessing the clipboard repeatedly.
(Including LC 9.6.5 RC 2.)

No precise recipe yet; that comes next,
if this hasn't been reported yet.

I accessing clipboardData["text"]
maybe 1800 times, with the data
on the clipboard changing 200 times.

Finally LC breaks down
in two distinct steps:

1. clipboardData["text"] stops
reporting the current data.

(But LC is usable and can still
even SET the clipboardData.)

2. Then LC itself hangs up;
have to End Task.

Sound familiar anyone?
If so, what Bug #?
If not, I'll report it.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Multiple LC Installer Setup processes remain in memory on Windows

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

I've mentioned once or twice that LC Setup
is "badly behaved" on all platforms.

Finally filed a bug report on the Windows
variant of this problem, which is that
one or more instances of LC Setup/Installer
process can remain indefinitely in memory.

(I've seen a dozen of these zombie tasks!
That can affect system performance.)

Also a couple of workarounds posted,
so if this has bitten you before,
or if you're not sure, check it out.

I don't lose performance from this anymore,
since I have SSD plus the workarounds,
but filing it now so it can be fixed! :)

Here's the bug report:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23444

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

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Resurrecting this thread from September because ...
now I've had a chance to go through my old bug reports,
and found the one for this Script Editor slowdown!
(It said "Pending Followup" so I just followed up on it.)

For the people here that still see bad IDE/SE performance
(and there were several: Lagi, Bob, Bernard, Andre, etc)
you can benefit from adding your CC to this bug report
and post your symptoms/setup there to help LC fix this.

Plus, I posted 7 steps that worked for myself and others;
many people have resolved this for their own computers!

BTW, I have NOT had this problem myself for 1 or 2 years;
so those steps are tried and true. (They work in MOST cases.)

Here's the bug report:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21604

No slowdowns on my end anymore; Windows "just works." :)
I could have simply closed the bug, but I followed up
and posted those 7 steps to help the rest of you.

Most importantly, it's NOT just a Windows issue.
(We have to avoid myths, or we can't solve problems.)
I've seen it twice on Mac myself, and others have too.
But it is MUCH more common on Windows. Rare on Mac.
Mostly due to antivirus trends, but other factors.

For the LC team, I'm not sure whether they ever
reproduced this bug or not, so I posted some tips
on maxing out disk and memory to help notice problems.

(That doesn't mean people with the IDE problems
are running a bunch of videos and downloads;
just getting closer to real-life use conditions
versus a more pristine test environment.)

Hopefully someone still having the issues
will follow up there to help get it fixed.

I don't anymore, so I'm moving on to other bugs!

One thing I forgot to mention is that LC Setup
is badly behaved on all platforms, and I've seen
literally a dozen copies of it in Task Manager;
that can also bog things down too!

I have a zero-tolerance policy for .Setup;
it is not allowed to run on my computer
except during the initial installation.

And like I say, no IDE slowdowns for 1-2 years.

(Not to be confused with IDE crashes
and bugs that completely "hang" the engine!
I'm still a combatant on those bugs.) :)

Original thread:



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Re: LC 9.6.5 RC 2 Speed Test

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Mark:

 > Is there any chance you can package up the files used to test
 > along with the stack and submit as an issue to BZ?
 > That way we can take a look to see what is causing
 > the significant differences with C and E, in particular?

Here it is!

I just posted the set of test files
(and results again with file names included)
plus the test stack download link
to the existing speed bug here:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21561

Thanks again

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Re: LC 9.6.5 RC 2 Speed Test

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Mark:

> Is there any chance you can package up the files used to test
> along with the stack and submit as an issue to BZ?
> That way we can take a look to see what is causing
> the significant differences with C and E, in particular?

Absolutely; thanks!
I'll do that within the next few days.

(Should I use the old speed bug 21561 or a new one?)

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LC 9.6.5 RC 2 Speed Test

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My first LC 9.6.5 RC 2 Speed Test -

Results on Windows 10, current WordLib

- LC 9.6.3:

A.docx - 0.073 seconds
B.docx - 0.518 seconds
C.docx - 0.321 seconds
D.docx - 0.314 seconds
E.docx - 9.202 seconds

- LC 9.6.5 RC 2:

A.docx - 0.05 seconds
B.docx - 0.484 seconds
C.docx - 0.284 seconds
D.docx - 0.289 seconds
E.docx - 7.196 seconds

LC 6.7.11:

A.docx - 0.057 seconds
B.docx - 0.362 seconds
C.docx - 0.114 seconds
D.docx - 0.338 seconds
E.docx - 2.991 seconds

Ratings:

- LC 9.6.5 RC 2 vs LC 9.6.3: 5 Wins, 0 Losses
- LC 9.6.5 RC 2 vs LC 6.7.11: 2 Wins, 3 Losses

Conclusion:

Good progress; if we follow up on these gains
and locate other areas needing optimization,
LC 10/11 can be pretty fleet of foot!

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Re: Script Editor Disassociation Bug - Seen it lately?

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Paul:
> I have not noticed recently - not in the 9.6.x series.

Good!

Paul:
> probably some specific sequence of object selection actions

Right, so actions during selection and/or script saving.

Bob:
> I have not seen this to my remembrance.

Also good!

Mark:
> I don't think the absence of the problem
> necessarily means it's solved.

True. I'm happy no one has seen it lately;
hopefully it's gone and on to other bugs.

(But yeah, I still need to check with the client,
plus there was a possibly related bug still Open.)

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Script Editor Disassociation Bug - Seen it lately?

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I'm checking up on the Script Editor Disassociation Bug,
described in this thread:



Paul, Bob, Ben, Mark (and Hermann) commented  at the time,
having experienced the same bug or something very similar.

Me:

> sometimes the Script Editor window seems to disassociate
> from the object being edited. Thus after this bug is triggered,
> any typed script changes may not really be applied and saved,
> although they are shown as applied. Next LC session, those
> changes are gone; the stack code is still as it was
> prior to the bug being triggered and prior to editing the script.

Interestingly, the comments involved all IDE platforms!
I couldn't find a bug report on it; likely never had a recipe.
Still interested though! I'd like to recipe or report it.

But first: Has anyone seen this bug lately? (On LC 9.6.3 or later.)
Especially Paul, Bob, Ben, Mark?

My experience:

I saw it several times when screensharing with a client,
so I saw it happen on Mac. It may have happened to me once?
But I think the trigger required certain habits I don't have!
That is the key to a recipe; only those actions cause it.

Probably one's method of applying and saving changes
after editing a script; Apply first, versus just save,
from the SE (in the edited tab) or from the stack, etc.
The little details of how we Apply and Save.

For me the required actions would be like a "mistake"
since my habit and discipline usually avoid them.

So I'm going to keep an eye out for it,
but only if it still exists! (???)

(I can ask the client again too.)

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Re: Count Up Timer?

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Craig:

> This is just another great example why the Forum
> is so much better a venue than this list.

My view is exactly opposite;
I like a List s much better.

A forum is handy for searches,
so a nice place to visit now and then.
But I wouldn't want to live there! :D

> It would take a lot of work to reformat the OP’s code example
> into something workable in the SE.

I thought the OP was Dan, but you mean Tom's function?
Just a matter of not pasting **styled** text for code.
Even then, it's easily put right with a few commands.
Mark's example is easy to follow too.

List is a great venue! Always part of the LC experience.
But I'm glad we have both to suit everyone.

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Re: Message Tracer/IDE Crash Recipes

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Craig:

> I never minimize the SE, if that is the required
> starting point of the bug.

Given a recipe, that's not a conclusion we can draw;
all we know is that this recipe triggers the bug.
Could a variation also trigger the bug? Maybe; try it.

The point is: here I successfully recipe'd a bug
that was as difficult to pin down as your crash,
taking a similar "random" amount of time to trigger.

My recipe was Confirmed and reproduced by the team.
It wasn't easy; that recipe took a while to perfect.

Since yours happened again just the other day,
you should submit a bug report while it's fresh.
Just do your best; maybe someone else will see it
and help figure out a better recipe.

Let's eradicate more bugs! :)

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Re: Improving the Community Edition with external tools

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Heriberto:

> Golang external tools to be used with the Livecode Community Edition
> ... users who want to fork the Community Edition?

Interesting, but I think here (use-livecode list) is not the place;
you should talk to Heather and Kevin: support (at) livecode.com. :)
They would have more relevant answers to your questions.

> Livecode has been my favorite RAD for 8 years
> and I don't want to throw away all that time and knowledge

Nor should you! LC is still here. Grab a license, join the fun.
At $10/month, anyone who can afford to send email can use LC.

Meanwhile some cool new stuff is coming out soon,
both from LC itself and from users like me.

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Re: Message Tracer/IDE Crash Recipes

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Craig:

 > The project will run fine for months, in constant use,
 > but then crash. Not reproducible as far as I can tell.

> Just crashed, Again, working in the IDE,
> SE open, fixing and enhancing.

Here's another bug that may "hint" at similar IDE behavior,
although it doesn't give me a crash:

Bug 22597 - Invisible Menu bug
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22597

That bug also happens when SE is open, or minimized.
It causes menus to be invisible but still functioning.

It can happen from a few minutes to a few days
of an LC IDE session. Very unpredictable.

That reminds me of the hard-to-recipe crash bugs
that also happen after a "random" amount of time.

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Re: Message Tracer/IDE Crash Recipes

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Craig:

> The project will run fine for months, in constant use,
> but then crash. Not reproducible as far as I can tell.

Roger that, I'll keep an eye out.

If enough crashers get recipe'd generally,
maybe we'll be lucky and hit yours too!

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CurryK Addon Update Plans - WordLib, WordReport, SpreadLib etc

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Here are CurryK Addon Update Plans for 2021 Q4 and 2022!

Getting "back in the groove" finally, after last 2 months.
Been a while since I posted my current plans here,
so this is where I'm at and where I'm headed

WordLib, WordReport, and SpreadLib updates are underway.

Thanks to those who have submitted bug reports;
we'll have some good fixes, plus general improvements
for LC 8/9 and also on the Mac platform.
(Courtesy of a new Made-in-Malaysia M1 Mac mini.)

Going forward, these libs will have more shared code
and shared backend to facilitate MORE FREQUENT updates :)
and more consistency across the product line experience.

(Shared base was long planned, finally being implemented.
And it's the most important item on my list;
efficiency is the big enabler for all other plans.)

WordLib is currently first in line for release.
Priority #1 can, and sometimes does, change.
But I'm pretty sure it'll be the one.

Hoping to get WordLib out by around CHRISTMAS,
then WordReport/SpreadLib soon after;
they will piggyback on the same backend.

Probably some kind of holiday coupon or bundle.

(I'm not sure yet whether SpreadOut/WordOut
will be updated at the same time as SpreadLib/WordLib,
or next year; we'll see. This is not only
me sharing the plan, it's me fleshing out the plan!
And FieldTrip is not forgotten, nor is it first.)

Then, next year or so, tentative goals:

- MORE FREQUENT addon updates :)
- Next-gen code base for the addons
- Next-gen tools for general LC dev
- Some LC books and/or tool stacks

(I'll explain the next-gen stuff next year.)

And maybe, depending on work priorities:

- More LC bug recipes
- Better LC bug tracking
- Better Addon bug tracking
- New potential LC users

Subject to changes, tweaks, and weather.

Of course, announcing any type of schedule
is like begging for last-minute delays.
But this has been underway for quite a while,
so I think it's likely to hit the mark
for at least the first release by Christmas.

And with that, back to other work!
Y'all have a good weekend

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Re: Message Tracer/IDE Crash Recipes

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Craig:

> My one entry into the "bug” poll was to complain
> about random crashes of LC itself now and then.
> Not likely to have that solved anytime soon.

It could be! There is de-crashing LC progress, but it's slow.
This year I reported a crash/hang pair, and that's fixed now.

The problem is a solid recipe, as I'm sure you know.
Searching for "crash" in quality.livecode.com
reveals a bunch of AWAITING_FOLLOW_UP and NOT_REPRODUCED.

For a bug that is unusually difficult to recipe,
it requires collaboration (or etc) to pin it down.
That in turn requires some ... discussion.

(Encouraging that discussion would be in LC's own interest;
customers put a lot of unpaid hard work into bug filing efforts.)

I'm taking a rare opportunity to catch up here on the list
after finally getting over COVID (man, it feels good!)
but must dive back into my own client work and addons updates.

However, LC bugs impact both client work and addons updates too,
so it's all related. LC bug time is mandatory either way!
There's no getting around it.

The survey made me realize I need better LC bug tracking tools,
so I can stay on top of the old and new ones, plus rank them.
And follow up on any reports that have lapsed.

So I'm curious: Craig, what was the nature of your crash?
(Or the bug # / discussion link, if that applies.)
I'll keep it in mind, to see if I can help eventually
with the pesky recipes or crash log data.
May take a while, but we can pin down more of these.

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Re: LC Bug Survey Metasurvey - Ranking Criteria

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Heather:

> If you would like to purchase an Escrow license from us,
> please contact support

That's useful to know - I will remember it,
because a few clients do ask. Will direct any your way.

Back to this thread ... I was unprepared for it this month,
so it was a challenge to find, retest, and prioritize
my Top Ten LC bugs in a hurry.

I am currently automating everything I can, so next year
I'm likely to make a stack to track and rank my LC bugs.
Mainly with my own criteria, but I may include others.
Thus my interest! (Plus I just like criteria.)

Bugs are very important for different projects/clients,
and I should have my current top ten bugs ready 24/7.

Whether it's a survey, or a client concern, or whatever:
when an opportunity or problem comes up, just pull it out.
(I got caught flat-footed on this survey. Next time ready.)

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Re: LC Bug Survey Metasurvey - Ranking Criteria

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Mike:

> So if I murdered a keyboard, but was consoled with a smooth nigori,
> the net was 0 and the bug demoted on my list.

That was headed for the "just went from the feel of it" column,
but on second thought: Effort/Frustration vs Compensation/Sympathy. :)

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LC Bug Survey Metasurvey - Ranking Criteria

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I liked the Ranked-Top-Ten format of this latest LC Bug Survey.

Now I'm curious: not about WHICH bugs people submitted,
but your CRITERIA for ranking them.

(I assume that's OK to discuss already at this point;
not mentioning any specific bugs or areas/features of LC.)

For me, first I had a prerequisite:

0. Still a reproducible bug in latest LC 965rc2.

(Because I didn't want to waste any of the ten slots
with an open bug that's actually fixed.
Found a few to retest and report if resolved.)

Then, I used three ranking criteria:

1. Is there a good workaround?
2. Severity.
3. How many projects it affects.

(I weighted no-good-workaround highest,
then eyeballed severity and scope equally.)

Wondering whether most people had criteria like this,
or just went from the feel of it.

I would welcome encore future LC Top-Ten surveys!
Maybe I'll make a Bug Ranker stack later to encourage it.

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Re: [OT] M1 Mac Mini USB problems

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Ralph:

> I am having problems with my new 2020 Mac Mini's USB ports.

No problems on mine. Looks like you got the proverbial "bad apple."
(I would check ASAP into return/exchange/warranty or etc.)

Here I use USB keyboard/mouse, and it's consistent.
USB drive for data a few times - didn't hit a limit.

I insisted on a Made in Malaysia machine, and did NOT upgrade memory.
Straight from the original factory pristine was my preference!

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LC Survey - thanks for keeping it open

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Heather:

> don't worry, we're not going to close this survey quickly.
> We want plenty of input.

Thanks for the extra survey time!
I was bogged down the last few days.

Please keep it open a little longer;
just now getting to it today
Happy to see it's still available.

(Better survey format this time, than in the past, IMO.)

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Re: [OT] Multiple macOS recommendation sought

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Paul:

> problems switching between boot partitions where
> the Mini would forget what Startup disk it should boot from.

I like the concept of multi-boot, but never use it.
Neither Windows nor Mac seems reliable enough for that.
(I had a couple bad experiences early on that weaned me off it.)

> We added a Big Sur VM, but playing video does not work in the VM
> [...] We just tried a Monterey VM and it is unstable.

Virtual gives a lot of bang for the buck when it works,
but it's never, ever quite the same as a real system.

There will be false positives, false negatives, and so on.
Virtual testing only "suggests" rather than "proves" success.
(It's a tradeoff though; I've admired your omni-testing too.)

Another option is remote hardware access, where a monthly fee
gives you NN hours to log in using screen sharing, upload files,
and control machines of your choice for real testing.

I tried 2 or 3 of those services, and wish I could recommend it.
Actually I still would, but in the same bucket as VM with caveats:
despite the real hardware, it still wasn't quite the same.

The remote hardware was set up differently than a typical system,
plus networking, so still false positives, false negatives, etc.
Saved me a couple of times, messed me up a couple of times.

But a remote account will help you in certain situations,
as another tool in the box when you need it.

Phil:

> I left VMs behind in favor of minimally-configured actual hardware.

Yes, I only trust a real Mac and a real Windows PC for serious tests.
(And at least one real iDevice and Android device.)

Ideally a couple of machines per OS, but one of each now in practice,
until/if I have the time and the need to add older machines back in.

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Re: IDE crashing on Windows 10

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Bernard:

> I can be in the Script Editor typing away.
> I move the mouse to click on another line
> of the script. Blammo. LC crashes.
> Any idea how this can be pinned down?

I believe I've seen this particular crash only twice,
each time an isolated incident with no obvious pattern.

> Yesterday I had the IDE crash five or six times
> in the middle of editing a script.

With that kind of recurrence, a recipe should be doable!
After you finish some work, I would disable any workaround
and try to keep triggering it to find the problem.

BTW, what SE "bling" options do you have enabled?
(I call them "bling": flashy and performance-expensive.)
I only use Control Structure Completion and Autoformat.
Colorization is also enabled, it seems OK.

> LC 9.6.1

Have you tried a more recent LC version?
A few crashes have been fixed lately.
Probably not this one, but worth a try.

(And several more are still with us,
despite the amusing skepticism
of a few "crash deniers" who later
casually admit they have crashes too!) :D

I still need to report another crash/hang pair,
but they show up on one particular project
so I'll have to do it when I'm back on that work.
Hope it happens enough to recipe. (Or not at all.)

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Re: OT: Priorities (was: Re: Stack with the same name loop)

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Richard:

> And in this here-and-now, I don't have an opinion
> on the conversation between Jacque and Sean,
> which is why I didn't reply to them.

Jacque and Sean made good points.
As did Bob and Bernard.
Which is why I quoted them too.

All of them made great points
on Priorities, the thread topic.

(I never have, and never will,
quote the entire post. Misguided trend.)

Have a good week! :)

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Re: OT: Priorities (was: Re: Stack with the same name loop)

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My two pesos, following these comments

Sean:
> they leave something as *basic as this
> unrepaired for EIGHTTEENYEARS !?!

Jacqueline:
> they have to make considered choices in what to address
> at any given time given the resources available to them.

Bernard:
> At least the new licensing model should allow LC to prioritise
> based on what customers use.
> IMO the open source initiative was the single biggest mistake

Bob:
> I survived the age of freeware.

Richard:
> Heather politely called cheese on this topic some time ago.
> May we please respect the wishes of the list owner?

(Curry:)

I propose reducing the attempts to silence one another?

That cheese remark doesn't sound like a very accurate portrayal;
that license change topic had simply been discussed enough.

No need to conflate that with this tiny celebration
of better priorities. If we outlaw positive feedback too,
what will be left? Maybe you'll direct us what to say?

My apologies if I'm wrong (been sick going on 2 months,
haven't read everything) but all of the comments
on priorities, and the same-name parent topic
make really good points as far as I've read.
(Including Richard's on the parent thread.)

Reality is a complex world. We need to respect
the limitations of real people and resources.
LC can't be everything to everyone for 99 cents.
They've done some great things.

But we also need to respect a variety of opinions.
Otherwise we handicap ourselves, as we've learned.

There was a time not long ago when this list
was dominated by only a handful of people.
90% of the time we heard only a few voices.

Result? For those few people, maybe it was OK.
Their own personal needs drove their priorities
and they drove conversation around their desires.
For everyone else, maybe not quite so great.

I like hearing different views. You learn things.
A big +1 from me to a lot of varied comments.
Different people have different needs and priorities.
Let's be willing to listen more.

I'll shut up now and go back to read/lurk/work. :)

(I'm gradually doing a WordLib update ... still sick.
Fairly low chance of me monitoring any replies here;
this is intended as my single post for the week.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: Strange script error - pass openStack

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Craig:

> I will indeed get an error in the message box
> if I just invoke “openStack” directly.

So Peter, make sure whether this bug is your original issue,
and not just a red herring from the debugging itself.

Either way:

> 3. But the home.livecodescript code could be more robust.
> (Always ensure a target and owner exist before accessing properties.)
> You could QA report that as a possible IDE bug.

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Re: Strange script error - pass openStack

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Peter:

> I’ve just tried making a new stack that has:

> on openStack
>pass openStack
> end openStack

1. Make sure this openStack is in your first CARD's script.

> I poked into the script of the stack home.livecodescript
> and see these lines

> if the short name of the owner of the target is not "Home" then
> pass openStack
> end if

2. You (or another open stack) may have done something unusual.
I'm not 100% convinced you've found the problem yet.
There are a few inconsistent details in your message,
plus it seems that LC did not pinpoint the offending code line?

3. But the home.livecodescript code could be more robust.
(Always ensure a target and owner exist before accessing properties.)
You could QA report that as a possible IDE bug.

Meanwhile, don't pass openStack and see if you still get an error!

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Re: IDE line number doesn't update

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Sean:

> a whole stream of specific bug reports

What a shame! I had just written a message warning
that many or most had already been reported!

(Some by myself. Others have been discussed here.)

My list was a RECAP for your benefit.
Re-reporting them would only waste time.

> Stop getting ratty with me

Not ratty, just a brief helpful FYI while sick.
Easily misunderstood if unread or hastily skimmed.

> I have to be nice or nasty people on here start getting upset
> and kick up a stink to have me kicked off.

If they do, I myself will intercede fervently AGAIN on your behalf.
Very good having you here! But I think your vacation is calling. :)

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