Re: iOS Privacy Manifest Requirements begin May 1

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hello Henry,

We're aware of this upcoming requirement and it will be addressed in 9.6.12, we 
expect an RC of this in April. You will probably also be able to 
retrospectively do it with a custom plist for 9.6.11. 

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 27 Mar 2024, at 00:26, HENRY LOWE via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Received the following today while submitting an LC App update to the iOS 
> store:
> 
> ITMS-91053: Missing API declaration - Your app’s code references one or more 
> APIs that require reasons, including the following API categories:
> 
> NSPrivacyAccessedAPICategoryFileTimestamp
> 
> While no action is required at this time, starting May 1, 2024, when you 
> upload a new app or app update, you must include a NSPrivacyAccessedAPITypes 
> array in your app’s privacy manifest to provide approved reasons for these 
> APIs used by your app’s code.
> 
> The relevant developer info is here:
> 
> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/privacy_manifest_files/
> 
> I assume that the Livecode Engine is using one or more APIs that will require 
> a Privacy Manifest update?
> 
> Henry
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Re: We lost an Angle

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

So sorry to hear that Ralph. The thoughts of the team here at LiveCode are with 
you.

Heather

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> On 11 Jan 2024, at 01:54, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Many of you knew Margaret from the conferences. We lost her today. She spent
> her life as a nurse in the oncology department. She gave her love and
> empathy to all her patients. She was so full of life and gave it a gallant
> try, but was not to be. We just celebrated our 40th anniversary in December.
> 
> You all were so kind and welcoming to her. I thank you for that.
> 
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> 
> IT Director
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Re: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Folks, you should upgrade to Xcode 15.0 not 15.1 - see this table (top FAQ):


https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/



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> On 17 Dec 2023, at 15:48, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> can lc 9.6.11 use both 15 and 15.1?
> i've been holding off on updating to sonoma
> 
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 1:55 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> For the purposes of notarization of macOS apps, I have seen no
>> difference between Xcode 15 and 15.1 under Sonoma on a macBook Air (M1
>> processor)
>> 
>> I don't developer iOS apps though, nor do I use Xcode for anything other
>> than code signing, notarization, and stapling of macOS desktop apps
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/16/2023 1:43 PM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’ve just taken the step to MacOS Sonoma (14.2), and now intend to
>> upgrade Xcode from 14.x to 15.
>>> But I'm unsure of which version to go for, as the latest LC release
>> notes say Xcode 15.0 and LC is usually quite picky about it.
>>> I don’t want to download and install all the gigabytes of Xcode 15.1
>> (which is the latest) just to discover that I really need 15.0
>>> 
>>> Actually, the release notes don’t even mention MacOS 14.2 as a valid
>> version for iOS deployment, so an additional question is if I’ve already
>> burnt that bridge by going Sonoma, until LC catches up…?
>>> 
>>> Please advise. :)
>>> 
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Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 9.6.11 RC-1

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

It'll be to do with having using manual activation. I think that will get saved 
to your preferences file, which is shared among LiveCode installations, so 
you'll see it go to manual activation instead of automatic, if thats the way 
you've previously activated.

At least that's my understanding of how it all works :)

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> On 2 Nov 2023, at 15:21, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I installed 9.6.11rc1 (win64) and launched Livecode, after accepting the 
> terms of service, I got the license authentication box, but it did not have 
> my email or password (from all my other installed versions of Lievcode) 
> filled in and was set to manual activation
> 
> Now, I did recently manually activate a VERY old version of Livecode (4.6.4) 
> on my computer, so it could just be me. Did anyone else run into this? If so, 
> I'll file a bug against 9.6.11rc1, otherwise I'll assume it was just me.
> 
> 
> On 11/2/2023 10:30 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.11 RC-1.
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.11 RC-1 comes with more than 10 bugfixes and new features,
>> including support for Xcode 15 / iOS 17 SDK.
>> 
>> You can find more details on the bug fixes and improvements of this new
>> release here:
>> 
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-6-11-rc-1-released-support-for-ios-17/
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> The LiveCode Team
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Yes, that was the question I was answering.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 13 Oct 2023, at 18:58, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes that is definitely the case.
> 
> But Bill asked if Apple will "fix that in Sonoma" so his old standalones will 
> still work under Sonoma without building them again with 9.6.10 or 10.0.6. At 
> least that was my understanding. ;) 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 13.10.2023 um 18:32 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Heather, just to be clear, I was under the implression that 9.6.10 and 
>> 10.0.6 WAS the fix for this. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of 
>> Heather Laine via use-livecode
>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2023 1:37 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode 
>> Cc: Heather Laine 
>> Subject: Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma
>> 
>> I don't think you can hope for that. It's not a bug, its a change in the way 
>> they are implementing menus.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

I don't think you can hope for that. It's not a bug, its a change in the way 
they are implementing menus.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 12 Oct 2023, at 18:10, Bill Vlahos  wrote:
> 
> Heather,
> 
> Do you think Apple will address this issue in an update to Sonoma?
> 
> Rebuilding all my applications will be difficult.
> 
> Thank you,
> Bill Vlahos
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2023, at 6:56 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Matthias,
>> 
>> I think ANY menu will cause a crash. |f your app has no menus it will not be 
>> affected by the issue. Otherwise, it will crash, as does LiveCode itself  
>> prior to the fix.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2023, at 11:53, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Heather,
>>> 
>>> thanks for clarifying the reason for the crashes.
>>> 
>>> At least this grants that standalones created with older LC versions will 
>>> run as long as they do not contain a customized menu, right?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 03.10.2023 um 12:24 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Rolf,
>>>> 
>>>> No, the problem is not related to signing. The problem centers on how 
>>>> Sonoma handles menus, and any app that contains a menu will crash on 
>>>> Sonoma unless built with LiveCode 9.6.10 or 10 dp-6.
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Heather
>>>> 
>>>> Heather Laine
>>>> Customer Services Manager
>>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>>> www.livecode.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3 Oct 2023, at 09:53, Rolf Kocherhans via use-livecode 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Matthias and the Mothership,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My Apple Developer account expired several years ago, and I'm facing a 
>>>>> critical issue with one of my LiveCode Apps, Clarify, developed by Trevor 
>>>>> DeVore. This app is extremely important to me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unfortunately, Clarify is no longer actively developed and has started 
>>>>> crashing with Sonoma. I am wondering if there's a possibility to resolve 
>>>>> this issue by signing the bundles. I am more than willing to invest in a 
>>>>> new subscription with Apple if that's what it takes – I can't imagine my 
>>>>> work without Clarify.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Could someone please test if signing the bundles might make an app 
>>>>> functional again?
>>>>> Your assistance in this matter would mean the world to me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Rolf
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 30.09.2023 um 18:00 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe my observation is not the reason for the crash. Would really not 
>>>>> make sense, when an unsigned app would crash instead of reporting an 
>>>>> alert.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But code signing  the complete Livecode app bundle would proof it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did someone btw had a look at the system log file after the crash?
>>>>> 
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

I think ANY menu will cause a crash. |f your app has no menus it will not be 
affected by the issue. Otherwise, it will crash, as does LiveCode itself  prior 
to the fix.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
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> On 3 Oct 2023, at 11:53, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Heather,
> 
> thanks for clarifying the reason for the crashes.
> 
> At least this grants that standalones created with older LC versions will run 
> as long as they do not contain a customized menu, right?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 03.10.2023 um 12:24 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Rolf,
>> 
>> No, the problem is not related to signing. The problem centers on how Sonoma 
>> handles menus, and any app that contains a menu will crash on Sonoma unless 
>> built with LiveCode 9.6.10 or 10 dp-6.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2023, at 09:53, Rolf Kocherhans via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> @Matthias and the Mothership,
>>> 
>>> My Apple Developer account expired several years ago, and I'm facing a 
>>> critical issue with one of my LiveCode Apps, Clarify, developed by Trevor 
>>> DeVore. This app is extremely important to me.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, Clarify is no longer actively developed and has started 
>>> crashing with Sonoma. I am wondering if there's a possibility to resolve 
>>> this issue by signing the bundles. I am more than willing to invest in a 
>>> new subscription with Apple if that's what it takes – I can't imagine my 
>>> work without Clarify.
>>> 
>>> Could someone please test if signing the bundles might make an app 
>>> functional again?
>>> Your assistance in this matter would mean the world to me.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Rolf
>>> 
>>> Am 30.09.2023 um 18:00 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com:
>>> 
>>> Maybe my observation is not the reason for the crash. Would really not make 
>>> sense, when an unsigned app would crash instead of reporting an alert.
>>> 
>>> But code signing  the complete Livecode app bundle would proof it.
>>> 
>>> Did someone btw had a look at the system log file after the crash?
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hi Rolf,

No, the problem is not related to signing. The problem centers on how Sonoma 
handles menus, and any app that contains a menu will crash on Sonoma unless 
built with LiveCode 9.6.10 or 10 dp-6.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 3 Oct 2023, at 09:53, Rolf Kocherhans via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Matthias and the Mothership,
> 
> My Apple Developer account expired several years ago, and I'm facing a 
> critical issue with one of my LiveCode Apps, Clarify, developed by Trevor 
> DeVore. This app is extremely important to me.
> 
> Unfortunately, Clarify is no longer actively developed and has started 
> crashing with Sonoma. I am wondering if there's a possibility to resolve this 
> issue by signing the bundles. I am more than willing to invest in a new 
> subscription with Apple if that's what it takes – I can't imagine my work 
> without Clarify.
> 
> Could someone please test if signing the bundles might make an app functional 
> again?
> Your assistance in this matter would mean the world to me.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rolf
> 
> Am 30.09.2023 um 18:00 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com:
> 
> Maybe my observation is not the reason for the crash. Would really not make 
> sense, when an unsigned app would crash instead of reporting an alert.
> 
> But code signing  the complete Livecode app bundle would proof it.
> 
> Did someone btw had a look at the system log file after the crash?
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Re: Installing LC on Ubuntu?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Rick - could you leave a comment on the lesson? Then I can add it to the queue 
to be corrected/updated as needed. 

I could (and probably will) just add it to the queue anyway but I'd like to 
encourage people to comment on the lessons where they find issues, as we 
routinely address these and it helps to keep the lessons up to date.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 3 Sep 2023, at 20:50, harrison--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks, I found that worked.
> 
> I was misled by the old LiveCode lesson.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> After setting the executable bit you should be able to just double-click the 
>> installer in the Downloads folder. Best to install for just you instead of 
>> the default "all users" to avoid having to use sudo.
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Re: OT - Mac Notarization Problem - Desperation setting in

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Tim - codesigning is not my expertise but failed password credentials I deal 
with frequently :). A possible gotcha is that your password is saved to your 
keychain, and then, if you change it, the changed password is overwritten by 
the saved password, invisibly since the password is hidden when entered. I 
would recommend deleting all saved passwords from your keychain for your 
certificates etc, and re-entering them to eliminate this possibility.

Probably not the issue but you never know...

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 24 Aug 2023, at 18:02, Timothy Bleiler via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I believe the problem I’m having is either on Apple’s end or something with 
> my local configuration but Apple has not been very helpful and I’m running 
> out of ideas, so I’m turning to the wealth of experience on this list in 
> desperation.
> 
> I’ve been using the lessons from  Matthias Rebbe and V4 of his handy 
> mrSignNotarizeHelper stack.
> Code signing seems to work fine but when I get to the Notarization step I 
> always get an
> "Error: HTTP status code: 401. Invalid credentials. Username or password is 
> incorrect.
> 
> I’m on an M1 Mac with OS 13.4.1, Xcode 14.3.1 is installed, Livecode 9.6.9.
> 
> So far, this is what I’ve tried with the same result
> 
> 1) Verified developer account in good status with Apple
> 2) Multiple checks of my credentials (Apple ID, team ID, app-specific 
> password) on Apple's developer and ID sites,
> 3) Multiple checks of my credentials in the parameters I’m using
> 4) Setting up a new app specific password on my account
> 5) Trying with a different Livecode application
> 6 Trying everything manually in Terminal. (What is apparent is any 
> subcommands of NotaryTool (e.g. submit, store-credentials) using my 
> credentials fail with the same error.
> 
> 7) Repeat everything on a brand new user account on my Mac
> 8) Sought help through devprogr...@apple.com<mailto:devprogr...@apple.com>
> 
> 
> I’ve done codesigning and notarization many times before with the same 
> developer account with no issues.
> What’s new here for me is using NotaryTool and the app-specific password.
> 
> I realize this is a long shot but I’m stuck, so it would be great if anyone 
> has any suggestions for solving this problem (even some detail I may have 
> missed in the steps I’ve already taken)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias and list folks,

We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with support 
for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to be rather 
trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or less sorted out 
now. 

If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for you, its 
worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at least find 
out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the bug report number 
from the Quality Center for checking. 

Best Regards,

Heather


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> On 24 Jul 2023, at 16:04, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know Xavvi will be the next big step and I even helped with the funding.
> But I'm wondering why there hasn't been any news about LC 10 for a some 
> months now.
> Am I the only one worried that the full focus is now on Xavvi and LC10 is 
> left behind?
> 
> Matthias
> 
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Re: Which Livecode/Xcode/macOS/iOS version

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ 
<https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/>

Top FAQ.

Best 

Heather

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> On 25 Jul 2023, at 11:06, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Somewhere on the livecode.com there used to be a very useful table which 
> showed which versions of Livecode could run on which versions of macOS with 
> which versions of Xcode in order to build to which versions of iOS.
> 
> I can't find it now... can anyone point me at it?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Ben
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Re: Old license etc.

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Linda, please post your query to supp...@livecode.com and I'll be happy to help.

Best Regards,

Heather
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> On 11 May 2023, at 18:02, Linda Miller via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been away from coding for years. I have a LiveCode Hosting Lifetime 
> License that, I think, I bought during one of LC’s campaigns for HTML5 to be 
> built. 
> 
> Whatever happened with HTML5 and LC?
> How can I find the “terms” that were listed for my Lifetime Hosting License? 
> I believe that the terms are different than what you can purchase today. So, 
> a link to today’s terms is not what I am looking for. I tried the Internet 
> Archive but couldn’t find anything.
> 
> I know that lifetime commercial or business licenses for LC were available in 
> the past. What are their terms? Would that license also cover XAVVI? Or, are 
> they going to be separate products?
> 
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Re: Cannot make a standalone after upgrading to Mac Mini and Ventura

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

You probably need to switch licenses. This lesson may be helpful:

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4072/l/1542014-i-have-a-valid-license-but-lc-says-it-is-expiring
 
<https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4072/l/1542014-i-have-a-valid-license-but-lc-says-it-is-expiring>

If that doesn't solve it please email support :)

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Heather

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> On 10 May 2023, at 21:51, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> All.
> Help
> I got a new Mac Mini a month ago. Lovely. Working with LC on it. Lovely.
> 
> I tried to make a windows standalone from the same project I have for years. 
> In the Applications Settings I cannot select the Windows pane. It is 
> essentially disabled, and looks like it.
> 
> In fact, I cannot select any pane except the Mac one. The Mac standalone 
> proceeds as usual, but there is nothing done on the Windows side.
> 
> I made a brand new stack. Same issue; only the Mac pane is accessible.
> 
> Before I put the splash stack and the mainStack on a thumb drive and reload 
> them back on my old iMac to make an updated standalone, is it me or Ventura?
> 
> Craig
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AMA today at 5

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hi folks,

Just in case anyone missed it, you have another opportunity to ask the team 
live questions this afternoon at 5pm (our time). Thats 12 noon in New York, or 
9am in Los Angeles. We've made this an open session, you don't have to register 
in advance, and you can follow either in Zoom:

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86437878174?pwd=NVdNaDYvc3ZCUFlvK3gwL0pOenhrUT09

or on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idEvGr31ElI 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idEvGr31ElI>

There were so many questions in the last session, we didn't get through them 
all. We're going to give it another shot!

Best Regards,

Heather

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Re: Are we talking about the Xavvi efforts here?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Mark - 

April 27th is when the very best discounts on pledging expire.
The timeline for pledged licenses begins when we ship Xavvi.
Yes, we're adding a chatGPT connector for you to use within your apps.

I hope this helps,

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 27 Apr 2023, at 01:58, Mark Rauterkus via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have some questions.
> 
> What’s up with the April 27th offer?
> 
> When does the timeline begin. So, if a year license is obtained, when might
> that year begin? September 1?
> 
> Chat GPT is used for the creation of the app, but can the AI be used within
> the app too? That seems to me to be a huge benefit. So in the example with
> the doctor’s table, could the AI fill the data of Doctors within the county
> or a 50 mile area?
> 
> 
> Mark Rauterkus
> m...@rauterkus.com
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Webinar on Xavvi Tomorrow

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Folks,

I trouble you briefly again. We're having a free webinar on Xavvi tomorrow 
where you can see a live demo and bring your questions. In case some of you 
have missed the invite and would like to join, there is still space:

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/3716823534510/WN_VUS-nJ9pR8mhRP4tpImShA
 
<https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/3716823534510/WN_VUS-nJ9pR8mhRP4tpImShA>

I'm really looking forward to seeing so many of you there, its going to be a 
great session :)

Best Regards,

Heather

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Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-5

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Ali has now written a lesson on using Script Widgets, you can find it here:

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/98525/l/1672543-creating-a-script-widget 
<https://lessons.livecode.com/m/98525/l/1672543-creating-a-script-widget>

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 21 Apr 2023, at 14:23, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Matthias for shedding some light on this new feature. I read the blog 
> post as well and it references something called a “widget chunk”. I couldn’t 
> fine anything on it. Do you know what it is?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On 21 Apr 2023, at 1:02 pm, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> To build the widget using  the extension builder you'll need to add some 
>> more to the script. You could use the following sample stack as an example
>> https://livecode.com/documents/sample-script-widget.zip 
>> <https://livecode.com/documents/sample-script-widget.zip>
>> The link to that stack was posted in the Blog here 
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-10-dp-5-smaller-faster-richer/ 
>> <https://livecode.com/livecode-10-dp-5-smaller-faster-richer/>
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In case any of you missed it...

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Members,

We just made what we think is the most significant announcement since 
Revolution 1.0:

https://livecode.com/xavvi/ <https://livecode.com/xavvi/>

Looking forward to hearing what you all think about it!

Best Regards,

Heather

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Re: ChatGPT examples

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Geoff...

Wow. Pretty please, can I have permission to turn that document into a blog 
post? It's fantastic and deserves to reach a wider audience.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 20 Jan 2023, at 06:02, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tested three use cases, with variations, using ChatGPT for (live)code
> generation. There was a lot of back and forth. In the end, I solved all the
> problems I set, but in some cases I had to hold ChatGPT's hand pretty
> tightly.
> 
> That said, I learned some things as well -- about LiveCode. ChatGPT's code
> for Fizz Buzz was faster than mine.
> 
> My code was faster for reversing lines. But ChatGPT, when asked to "make
> the code faster" gave several suggestions, some of which were wrong or
> impossible, but one of them was my method, and when I said "write that
> option" it did, with only a few corrections needed.
> 
> And one of the ideas, while wrong, caused me to think of a different way to
> solve the problem, and that way ended up being faster than my original
> solution by over 3x on reversing 10k lines. Getting ChatGPT to write this
> new method was *hard*.
> 
> In any case, I wrote it all down in a google doc
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W3j5WaFhYZaqSt0ceRQj8j160945gSwG_nyZsCBP6v4/edit?usp=sharing>.
> If you're curious, have a read. That URL is open for comments/edit
> suggestions. If you have any I'd love to hear them.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Yes, it only retains this "learning" for the session with you. To ensure wider 
learning for the future, you need to give feedback via the "Contact Us" page. I 
think its trainers can then apply the learning in some unknown fashion.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 12 Jan 2023, at 07:11, Beda via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hell again, I just asked Chat GPT and it answered always very politly:
> 
> Me: Thanks that's ok
> 
> Chat GPT: You're welcome! I'm glad I could help. If you have any other 
> questions about LiveCode or any other programming language, feel free to ask.
> 
> Me: Did you learn something about Livecode by our conversation?
> 
> Chat GPT: As a language model AI, I do not have the ability to learn or 
> experience things. However, I do have access to a vast amount of information 
> and knowledge, and my answers are generated based on that information.
> During our conversation, I provided you with specific examples of how to use 
> the "answer" and "put" commands to display a message in the message box in a 
> LiveCode application, and also I've clarified my previous mistake about the 
> Livecode message box command line interface.
> 
> (End of Chat)
> 
> Well it even does aknowledge mistakes but doesn't realy say if it will avoid 
> these in future!
> 
> Best
> 
> Beda
> 
> 
> Am 12.01.23 um 07:54 schrieb Beda via use-livecode:
>> Dear Heather,
>> 
>> thank you for your hint, it is real fun!
>> 
>> Here my first chat with AI GPT. It seems, that you have to insist sometimes 
>> for your demands and then there will be the right answer, but does it learn 
>> by this way?
>> 
>> Me: Write some code in livecode
>> 
>> Chat GPT: I'm sorry, I am a text-based AI and do not have the ability to 
>> write code in livecode. However, I can write code in various programming 
>> languages such as Python, Java, C++, JavaScript and more. If you give me a 
>> specific task, I can write the code for you.
>> 
>> 
>> Me: Write a "Hello World" statement in livecode
>> 
>> Chat GPT: I apologize for the confusion, LiveCode is a visual programming 
>> language and development environment that allows you to create apps, games, 
>> and more using a drag-and-drop interface, it doesn't have a command line 
>> interface.
>> However, I can give you an example of how to display "Hello World" in a 
>> LiveCode application.
>> 
>> Copy code
>> on mouseUp answer "Hello World!" end mouseUp
>> You would need to have a button in the application and then when you press 
>> the button it will display the "Hello World!" message.
>> 
>> 
>> Me: But yes, livecode has a command line interface called message box
>> 
>> Chat GPT: I apologize for the confusion, you are correct that LiveCode does 
>> have a command line interface called the message box. You can use the 
>> "answer" command to display a message in the message box.
>> 
>> Copy code
>> answer "Hello World!"
>> This command will display the message "Hello World!" in the message box.
>> 
>> Copy code
>> put "Hello World!"
>> This command will output the message "Hello World!" in the message box.
>> You can also use the "put" command to display a message in the message box.
>> 
>> Copy code
>> put "Hello World!"
>> 
>> This command will output the message "Hello World!" in the message box.
>> 
>> (End of the answer)
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Beda
>> 
>> 
>> Am 11.01.23 um 15:58 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode:
>>> Dear List Members and LiveCode Gurus,
>>> 
>>> We're looking for your help. I should start with a warning though: this 
>>> chatGPT is addictive, you might lose a few hours of your life. But you will 
>>> have fun doing it :)
>>> 
>>> Our idea is that the chatGPT to be found here:
>>> 
>>> https://chat.openai.com
>>> 
>>> is a truly great way for beginners and even more advanced LiveCoders to get 
>>> into LiveCode, learn scripting and get common scripts pre-written. It could 
>>> be an immensely powerful tool in bringing LiveCode to a wider audience. (In 
>>> case you haven't already wasted hours of your life playing with it, you can 
>>> ask it to write a LiveCode script for any specific task, and it will take 
>>> its best shot, with very passa

Training the AI to write better LiveCode

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Members and LiveCode Gurus,

We're looking for your help. I should start with a warning though: this chatGPT 
is addictive, you might lose a few hours of your life. But you will have fun 
doing it :)

Our idea is that the chatGPT to be found here:

https://chat.openai.com

is a truly great way for beginners and even more advanced LiveCoders to get 
into LiveCode, learn scripting and get common scripts pre-written. It could be 
an immensely powerful tool in bringing LiveCode to a wider audience. (In case 
you haven't already wasted hours of your life playing with it, you can ask it 
to write a LiveCode script for any specific task, and it will take its best 
shot, with very passable results).

Unfortunately, at the moment it has a tendency to make schoolboy (or should I 
say schoolbot?) errors. It gets the script mostly right but there will be 
issues that a beginner would not know how to correct. We would love it if the 
community could help it learn to write beautiful, correct, LiveCode. To do 
this, it needs feedback. We asked it how to give feedback and this is what it 
suggests:

There are a few ways you can provide feedback on ChatGPT:
• You can submit feedback through the OpenAI website by navigating to 
the “Contact Us” page and selecting “Model Feedback” as the topic.
• You can also provide feedback on the OpenAI GPT-3 forum, where users 
can share their experiences, ask questions, and provide suggestions for 
improving the model.
• You could also contact the openai team to share more detailed 
feedback and suggestions
In any case, clear and detailed feedback is helpful in understanding the 
problem and improve the model.

Just telling it what it got wrong we think isn't the right way to go, it will 
only correct it for that particular session. We need to rat on it in to its 
teachers so that it can be trained correctly. 

So, if you are up for the challenge and you have a bit of time to kill, we'd 
love you to a) ask chatGPT to write LiveCode scripts and b) send any resulting 
errors with detailed feedback to the Model Feedback area. 

Thank you!

Best Regards and Happy New Year to all!

Heather

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Re: Standardize Font Appearance

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Neville,

That sounds like an incredibly useful exercise. I wonder... could you be 
persuaded to make that a blog post about fonts across platforms I could put on 
our website? If yes, contact me offlist :)

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 6 Sep 2022, at 02:27, Neville Smythe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree Quentin, trying to make text appear exactly the same on all platforms 
> is a fools errand.
> 
> That however is not the main point of the exercise, at least for me. When 
> designing an apps interface, it would be good to know that (at least static) 
> text items will (probably) appear in the same font style and height and the 
> text is all visible: no pixels obscured at top or bottom or left or right, no 
> unintended word-wrapping, and not too close to other objects such as a field 
> border. 
> 
> Including one’s own fonts such as Google fonts, which are probably not in the 
> user’s default system setup — on a desktop at least, and setting the baseline 
> as in a previous post, would seem to be a useful addition to the production 
> process  (and may even achieve precise equality between Monterey and Windows 
> 10 if my early experiments hold true! ). 
> 
> But  the most important parameter is of course the text length. The usual 
> mantra is to add about 10% extra padding to the field length. I intend to set 
> up a database for a range of fonts and platforms to check just what extra 
> length is really needed (is that figure of 15% for Linux I quoted actually 
> correct, it sounds unbelievable). I have access to Mac Monterey, Mac High 
> Sierra, and Windows 10 and Ubuntu via Parallels.  Once done I will publish 
> the database. Hopefully someone could then add data for Window 11 for example 
> ( and iOS and Android)
> 
> Finally a couple of other comments about fonts on Monterey. I mentioned Times 
> on the Mac being weirdly small. Turns out Times is no longer included in 
> Monterey although it will recognise a scripted setting to Times ; if you set 
> text to 13pt Times it seems the system substitutes Times New Roman 11pt 
> (which looks like 9pt in any other font). 
> 
> And if you set the text to the (Default) font then changes to the textSize of 
> the field have no visible affect, what you get is the default system font at 
> its default size (SF Pro 12pt) 
> 
> 
> Neville
> 
> 
> 
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[blog] Power Tools

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Folks,

Just dropping a note to draw your attention to a fine blog post by Mr Mark 
Wieder:

https://livecode.com/power-tools/

Enjoy!

Warm Regards,

Heather

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Re: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?

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*Monday was a bank holiday. I see that today is Wednesday so my comment that 
yesterday was a bank holiday was erroneous. It was Tuesday. As previously 
mentioned, I am working around some family issues and there is a fair bit of 
support to catch up on.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
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> On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:31, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at 
> weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing 
> to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it 
> is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.
> 
> :)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
>> 
>> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and 
>> no one can be reached by phone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
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Re: Is Livecode (the company) closed for holiday?

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We are open. Yesterday was a bank holiday in Scotland yes. We don't work at 
weekends. I have a fair bit to catch up on and I'm not at my usual desk owing 
to some family issues hence cannot answer the phone. I see your ticket and it 
is going to get a response very shortly... I am nearing it in the queue.

:)

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 3 Aug 2022, at 14:10, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> does anyone know if Livecode Ltd. is closed for holiday or so?
> 
> I am just wondering, my Pro Support request is not answered since Friday and 
> no one can be reached by phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
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Re: MegaBundle whatnot

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Kaveh and Co,

We have actually simplified the licensing in the move to Single Edition, which 
is what is causing the confusion here. There is no such thing as Indy or 
Business anymore. It's all just LiveCode. You pick the platforms you want and 
off you go...

However the new Enhancements Bundle widgets post-date Indy/Business and hence 
do not recognise it. The solution being simply to run the latest version. 9.6.8 
or 10 dp 4 will be just fine.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
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> On 9 Jul 2022, at 12:41, Kaveh via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why does LiveCode make the licenses so complicated? I try to understand
> from time to time so I can repurchase, then give up...
> 
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:41, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mark,
>> What I forgot.
>> 
>> I assume you have a current subscription, right?
>> So why do you not try a newer LC release; one of the new editions without
>> Indy and business in the name? Anything higher than 9.63 should do.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Matthias
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 21:01 schrieb matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de:
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> that seems to be a problem with Indy and Business licenses. I can
>> reproduce it here with an Indy license. Seems, the Enh.Pack needs to be
>> modified a little bit.;)
>>> 
>>> As you are on digest mode and i do not know when you read this, I've
>> filed a bug already to speed it up a little bit.
>>> 
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23799
>>> 
>>> Maybe you want to add yourself to the CC list.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 08.07.2022 um 19:21 schrieb Mark Clark via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I went ahead and purchased the megabundle, mostly for the LC
>> Enhancement piece. Got that download and clicked the install widgets and
>> the widgets all show “unlicensed.” Hmm, what?
>>>> 
>>>> Tried to re-license and for some reason I only see my business license
>> as an option (also have the old commercial license whatever that maps to
>> now). So, np figure it out later, selected business license and LC starts
>> but the enhancements still show unlicensed. Is there something manual I’m
>> missing?
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Mark (on digest mode)
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Re: On API keys...

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Yes indeed. See Blog.

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> On 25 Jun 2022, at 04:34, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a great best-practice explanation. Perhaps someone can turn it into
> a blog post and put it on the site.
> Thanks again
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 6:24 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mr. (Or should I say Doctor) Waddingham! This is a really brilliant essay
>> on the risk, benefits and rewards in multiple scenarios concerning the
>> storage of keys. I’ve mentioned before that I came up with the idea of
>> “poisoning” the encrypted data before the data was transmitted. If
>> intercepted in transit, the data itself could never be decrypted without
>> knowing how it was poisoned and what was needed to “cleanse” it. And that
>> would require access to either the API of the device doing the corruption
>> or the cleansing, or else someone who knew the method.
>> 
>> By using this method, all but physical and social vectors are nullified.
>> And control of those vectors is an illusion.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:22, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 6/24/22 10:04, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The only way to use these keys is from server scripts running on a
>> server which you do your best to maintain the security of. Ideally these
>> keys should be stored in files which are only readable by specific users -
>> usually the web-server user which is running the backend scripts which
>> needs to make the requests.
>>> 
>>> Or as server environment variables retrieved only by server scripts
>> which are not user-accessible.
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-4

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I think you are probably referring to the special prototype dp-4 with the 
single window IDE in testing. This is not as yet "in the wild". This has only 
so far been made available to the attendees for LCG 22/23 Feature Focus 
sessions.

In case anyone is confused.

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Heather

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> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:20, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Since this is now in the wild, and has a very different layout, y'all
> should probably have a look at it and comment on it, before it gets too far
> down the road. LC has stated that this is the future.
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:31 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-4.
>> 
>> You can find more details on the new features and the bug fixes of this new
>> release here:
>> 
>> https://livecode.com/m1-native-latest-livecode-releases/
>> 
>> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via the
>> automatic updater.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> The LiveCode Team
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Re: A test, move along

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There had to be one.

I'm happy to report there appears to be nothing wrong with the list software. 
And in fact, the users are also working as expected.

;)

H

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> On 27 May 2022, at 16:13, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Define, "all." Currently I have some code that is giving me fits... ;-)
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On May 27, 2022, at 04:20 , Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just checking all is working as it should.
>> 
>> 
>> Heather Laine
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>> 
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A test, move along

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Just checking all is working as it should.


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Potential third party products

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Dear List Members,

We're conducting a general review of our vendor program and I was wondering if 
there are any lurking potential vendors on this list? Anyone with an addon for 
LiveCode they'd like to sell via our Extensions store? Or is there something 
you know of or find particularly useful, made by someone else, that you think 
would be a good candidate for a wider audience?

Probably best to reply to supp...@livecode.com <mailto:supp...@livecode.com> 
rather than cluttering up the list.

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Heather

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Re: devcon 2022 recap

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A Day 3 will be posted:

https://livecode.com/day-3-and-conference-roundup/ 
<https://livecode.com/day-3-and-conference-roundup/>

:) Enjoy.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 28 Apr 2022, at 15:13, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mike, check out the LC blog posts for summaries of Days 1 and 2, not sure if 
> a day 3 will be posted 
> (https://livecode.com/reporting-on-day-1-of-the-livecode-conference/).
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2022, at 14:44, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am stuck in a time sink. I missed just about all of the devcon as a
>> result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?
>> 
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Flash Talks - 3 slots remaining

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Dear Good Folks of the Use-list,

I'm in the final throes of scheduling our upcoming online conference on 25-27th 
April. Its looking great! Multiple fabulous talks have come in, there is loads 
of rich content, we have panels, keynotes and workshops galore! We're just 
missing 3 flashtalks to round out the Flash Talks section on Day 3. I know at 
least 3 of you good people can speak for a mere 7 minutes on your topic of 
choice. Roll up roll up... and send me a talk submission :) Pretty please?

https://livecode.com/global/apply-to-speak/ 
<https://livecode.com/global/apply-to-speak/>

It's going to be a great event. 

Warmest Regards to all,

Heather

P.S. Where is the conference schedule to be seen, I hear you ask? Right here:

https://livecode.com/global/schedule/

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Re: Funding

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Looks like a spam filter at work - I can see the mailings were sent to you. 
Maybe check your filters?

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 17 Mar 2022, at 16:44, R.H. via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did not receive any letter regardings any funding.
> 
> Roland
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Re: Into the future

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To build a Mac App, you need to have Xcode tools on your Mac. You don't need to 
use them. You don't even need to know about them. They just have to be there. 
If you've never installed Xcode they won't be there. See this lesson:

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4603/l/1353263-i-m-getting-an-error-when-trying-to-save-as-standalone-on-mac
 
<https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4603/l/1353263-i-m-getting-an-error-when-trying-to-save-as-standalone-on-mac>

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Heather


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> On 1 Mar 2022, at 00:35, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am getting, "Adding ad-hoc signature failed with error:  standalone> replacing existing signature xcrun: error: invalid active 
> developer path (/library/developer/commandlinetools), missing xcrun at...the 
> code sign_allocate helper tool cannot be found in subcomponent  standalone>/Contents/MacOS/revsecurity.dylib
> 
> I think I will attempt to download the command line tools and see if that 
> fixes it. 
> 
> The ad-hoc certificate is (if I am not mistaken) a self signed certificate. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 13:40 , General 2018 via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think some misunderstandings ….
>> 
>> You can build LC standalone with no certifications on MacOS desktop.
>> 
>> The issue comes when you wish to codesign and notarise for distribution 
>> downloads from web etc. To do any codesigning and notarization with apple 
>> you need the certificates and be a member of the development program.
>> 
>> The standalone will run fine but without apple codesign and notarization but 
>> the latest MacOS gatekeeper will give warnings etc on MacOS desktop.
>> 
>> For IOS the certified route is a must.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Camm
>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2022, at 21:25, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All.
>>> 
>>> I am not sure I am following this thread correctly. Is the issue that some 
>>> sort of certificate is now required for creating a standalone for desktop? 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 4:12 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dealing with Apple certificates is the most onerous part of building a 
>>>> standalone. I really wish the livecode team could help address this issue 
>>>> and help us out.
>>>> 
>>>> best,
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> William A Prothero
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use a mac in the cloud . but i have yet to do any signing  I
>>>>> gotta get myself to do it this week. thanks for the reminder...i've been
>>>>> putting it off like its math homework only worse. :D
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.macincloud.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> with which version of LC did you see this?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a look at the most current dp version of 10. If LC would require a
>>>>>> certificate then there should be somewhere in the standalone settings a
>>>>>> area where one could select an appropriate certificate.  But that is not
>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What LC does for some time now when creating a macOS standalone is doing
>>>>>> an ad-hoc code signing. Please do not ask me what that is, ;)
>>>>>> but  this kind of code signing seems not to require a certificate.
>>>>>> The ad-hoc code signing is done in the stack
>>>>>> revsaveasstandalone.livecodescript.  Search for 'private command
>>>>>> performAdHocCodesign'
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So there might some other problem and LC does come up with a misleading
>>>>>> error message.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 28.02.2022 um 19:52 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>&g

Re: Script Compiler - One More Question

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Curry - please email support and we will be happy to help with this.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 10 Feb 2022, at 16:31, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Script Compiler - One More Question:
> 
> After the survey there was an email "Your Questions Answered."
> I put a concern in the survey, just without a question mark!
> 
> (And I don't recall any survey directions specifying
> that concerns/comments should be worded as questions.)
> 
> It's easy to add a question mark:
> 
> Deja vu of LC 7. Big new changes + new engineers = LOTS OF BUGS! After all 
> these years, we are just recently starting to turn the tide on LC 6-9 bugs. 
> How do you plan to avoid a repeat of the LC 7 bug onslaught?*
> 
> Knowing that would help me decide my level of interest/support.
> Good project if such problems can be avoided; and vice versa.
> 
> * The proposed changes also deeply involve the non-compiled engine;
> to clarify, I'm primarily concerned about the non-compiled product.
> (All the more so, since it's impacted whether we use compiler or not!)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> 
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Re: Smile for Christmas.

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Beth ydych chi'n ei olygu, fy ffrind? mae'r Gymraeg yn iaith hyfryd. Gyda dim 
ond y nifer cywir o lafariaid.

I love how the word for "vowels" is almost entirely made up of vowels.

Which brings me to my favourite Welsh word. For microwave. Popty ping. Ok so 
its colloquial and only used in the south valleys "Wenglish" but it's a great 
word.

Have a wonderful Christmas/New Year/Solstice/Holiday of your choice season. 
Don't let my frivolous response to this thread draw you off the straight and 
narrow course of purely and only discussing LiveCode on this list. Or even cod 
byw.

Nadolig Hapus!

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> On 17 Dec 2021, at 06:14, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I will donate "aluminium" for them. I don't know where they got that.
> 
> Sir Humphry Davy, the same one responsible for the confusion in the 
> term/name. So, the same place as our American cousins. 
> 
>> Oh, and don't forget Wales. They only have one sorta vowel, "y", and they 
>> make do with random consonants when they run short.
> They use a, e, o, u and I. W and Y are also considered vowels. They don’t use 
> K, Q, V or Z  Double L, D, F as well as ch, ph, rh, th and ng all make 
> consonant sounds. 29 ‘letters’ in total with 7 vowels. 
> 
> But I get that you were only jesting ;)
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Re: Yes, its another archiving test

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One last test to check all is as it should be.


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> On 19 Nov 2021, at 10:10, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> No, its still not for you, look away...
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
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> 
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Yes, its another archiving test

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No, its still not for you, look away...

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testing the archive

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Does this archive correctly?

List members, this is not for you :)

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Heather

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Re: Android: Play App Signing

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Yes unfortunately that is correct, there is no way to delete this. Its out 
there. You probably should change your signing key...

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 16 Nov 2021, at 20:56, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 11/16/21 2:43 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 
>>>  But let's ask the moderator to delete this post, there is confidential 
>>> info in it.
>> I am afraid that is not possible as this is a mailing list and not a forum. 
>> Each subscriber of this list has received it as email.
> 
> Right, and I just realized it's gone out to all the archiving sites too. At 
> least there were no passwords in it...
> 
> -- 
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Re: LC Bug Survey Metasurvey - Ranking Criteria

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Lagi,

If you would like to purchase an Escrow license from us, please contact 
support, supp...@livecode.com <mailto:supp...@livecode.com>. We do offer them, 
they are not cheap.

This is not on topic for this thread. It is also a licensing question and not 
something the list can usefully comment on. The name of this list is "how to 
use LiveCode".

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Heather

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> On 28 Oct 2021, at 14:21, Eraklis Pittas via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am going to throw a fly in the ointment here.
> 
> We have to ASSUME the BEST but plan for the WORST.
> 
> IF LC Ltd  could not carry on for any reason - anybody here will know the
> details
> 
> Is there an ESCROW for the Code, is there a Plan B - iis there some code
> where someone else
> will be able to setup a "local" activation server - just asking for a
> friend.
> 
> Lagi
> 
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 13:20, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> As you probably recall, back in The Day, we could bug vote. Sometimes I
>> miss The Day.
>> I considered the immeasurable harm I have done to keyboards, especially
>> mechanical ones. I loved some of those keyboards. They gave their lives for
>> some of those bugs.
>> I also considered the number of bottles of scotch and sake that were gifted
>> to me from employees who thought that "just a taste" would help me calm the
>> hell down.
>> So if I murdered a keyboard, but was consoled with a smooth nigori, the net
>> was 0 and the bug demoted on my list.
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 2:17 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I liked the Ranked-Top-Ten format of this latest LC Bug Survey.
>>> 
>>> Now I'm curious: not about WHICH bugs people submitted,
>>> but your CRITERIA for ranking them.
>>> 
>>> (I assume that's OK to discuss already at this point;
>>> not mentioning any specific bugs or areas/features of LC.)
>>> 
>>> For me, first I had a prerequisite:
>>> 
>>> 0. Still a reproducible bug in latest LC 965rc2.
>>> 
>>> (Because I didn't want to waste any of the ten slots
>>> with an open bug that's actually fixed.
>>> Found a few to retest and report if resolved.)
>>> 
>>> Then, I used three ranking criteria:
>>> 
>>> 1. Is there a good workaround?
>>> 2. Severity.
>>> 3. How many projects it affects.
>>> 
>>> (I weighted no-good-workaround highest,
>>> then eyeballed severity and scope equally.)
>>> 
>>> Wondering whether most people had criteria like this,
>>> or just went from the feel of it.
>>> 
>>> I would welcome encore future LC Top-Ten surveys!
>>> Maybe I'll make a Bug Ranker stack later to encourage it.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
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>>> 
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Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Folks,

This list is intended for users to help each other in the use of LiveCode. 
Sometimes LC staff get involved and help out here also. It can be a great place 
to constructively discuss improvements. It is not a place to take potshots at 
each other, at LiveCode or at LiveCode staff. In the future, if a list member 
is perceived to be doing this by myself or by a reasonable set of other list 
members, they will be banned. 

For the avoidance of doubt, by taking potshots I mean:

Accusations of untruths, lying or lack of integrity
Persistently pointing out flaws in LiveCode without any positive suggestions on 
resolution
Namecalling of any kind
General rudeness - please re-read your post before sending and check it for tone

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What everyone is not entitled to do is 
express unfounded negative opinions about LiveCode and its staff on this list, 
which is run by LiveCode, for LiveCode, and for the benefit of LiveCode's users.

I trust I make myself clear. This warning will not be repeated. 

Warmest Regards,

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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

@Sean - I can try. I didn't see an obvious way to do so in the interface. I 
will return to this on Monday, when we will send out a survey reminder. @Jacque 
and  any others that want the survey and didn't get it...  I will try and 
ensure those that wish to receive this survey do so on Monday. I'm am out of 
time today I'm afraid, but don't worry, we're not going to close this survey 
quickly. We want plenty of input.

Best Regards to all,

Heather

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> On 22 Oct 2021, at 14:25, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you able to resubscribe me as I am certain I never knowingly checked
> any box to remove my voice from these kinds of discussions? There is not a
> chance I would have. I may have asked SurveyMonkey to stop sending me
> random questionnaires but not specifically from LC. Ever!
> Sean
> 
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 14:11, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It does
>> not tell me when or how.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Come on, how should Matthias know?
>>> He won’t. Heather might. Obviously 
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

I'm afraid not. Surveymonkey only tells me who has unsubscribed. It does not 
tell me when or how.

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> On 22 Oct 2021, at 13:33, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
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>> Come on, how should Matthias know?
> He won’t. Heather might. Obviously  
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Re: Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hi Sean,

You didn't get the survey because you have opted out from receiving our 
surveys. This is not speculation, I checked, and you are clearly marked as 
opted out. So we can't send it to you. 

Best Regards,

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> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:11, Sean Cole via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I'm guessing I haven't and won't get the survey because either you already
> know my gripes, or, more likely, my opinion counts for nothing here.
> 
> Normally my gripes get overlooked in favour of some 1-5 user 'feature' like
> FMP integration @ $400/seat. Like purchasing a 2-year licence for HTML5
> with the promise that it would get fixed (following an Edinburgh visit with
> Ian@LC) (which it didn't so I couldn't use because it was so dysfunctional)
> then told I would have to buy the next licence on the promise that the new
> one (LC10) will work this time. It literally makes me nauseous right now
> just typing about it. How immensely pee'd and dump'd on I feel. You guys
> put me in hospital more than once. And as 85% of my livelihood is dependant
> on LC it won't be long before ridiculousness like this put me back in.
> 
> Asking people to fill out a survey will only cause more of your users to
> become disappointed when 'their' extremely valid top 10 bugs get lost in
> the flood of other people's, probably only based on how many remember the
> same matching ones. When 'theirs' don't get fixed, it will only feed their
> despondency.
> 
> My advice is what we all have to follow on a day to day basis - fix all the
> base-level stuff like fields, buttons, graphic, groups and their
> inconsistencies. Then UX/IDE elements like the messed up script editor (so
> we don't have to use 3rd part ones), dictionary (so we don't have to use
> 3rd part ones!), user guide (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!),
> project browser (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones!!!) and property
> inspector (so we don't have to use 3rd part ones). THEN, move on to
> higher-level stuff in the language code and extensions.
> 
> You don't need a survey to work that out. Just get on with it! You want to
> know what the top bugs are - use your product for real-world stuff yourself
> and try to do it without having to use workarounds!
> 
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Heather,
>> 
>>> Am 21.10.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Dear list folks,
>>> 
>>> We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug
>> list should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the bugs you
>> enter in the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want your own
>> unbiased opinions based on your personal needs and experiences.
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much!
>>> 
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>> 
>> I did not receive any mails yet, but maybe this will take a little time.
>> Just quoted this mail in the Facebook LC forum!
>> 
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
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Our survey - please don't discuss :)

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear list folks,

We've just sent out a survey to try and determine what our top 10 bug list 
should look like. We would ask you please not to discuss the bugs you enter in 
the survey on the list, the forums or in general. We want your own unbiased 
opinions based on your personal needs and experiences. 

Thank you very much!

Warmest Regards,

Heather

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Re: LiveCode 10 - what are your thoughts on the new features?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Ok, I cannot help myself. Somewhere in this thread was mentioned "a couple of 
carrots" and this was defined as two. It is in fact not two. It is the 
equivalent amount of carrots to about 2, if the carrots are well sized but not 
enormous. If you have small carrots, please chop 3. If they are huge, one is 
enough. Thus, a couple of carrots. A perfectly sensible request which any 
sensible husband should be able to interpret correctly.

Warmest regards to all, and should I add carrots to cheese as items that should 
not arise too often for extensive discussion?

Heather


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> On 9 Sep 2021, at 11:26, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ll just add that a couple of pints never means exactly two pints….
> 
> Language is a very fluid thing. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 8 Sep 2021, at 23:14, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Btw. this is how Merriam-Webster thinks about couple, few and several.
>> 
>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/couple-few-several-use 
>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/couple-few-several-use>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 09.09.2021 um 00:08 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> More than three. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Am 09.09.2021 um 00:04 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Then what does a few mean? 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 8, 2021, at 14:49 , matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How lucky we Germans are with having to write some words in capitals. ;) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 'ein Paar' (a couple)  means 2
>>>>> 'ein Paar Schuhe' means a pair of shoes
>>>>> 
>>>>> 'ein paar' means two or three or somewhere in the range.
>>>>> 'ein paar Schuhe' means 2 or 3 or somewhere in the range shoes 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the English lessons in school  we learned  that for example  'a couple 
>>>>> of days' meant 2 or 3 or somewhere in that range.
>>>>> And when we used  'couple' as a noun then it was meant as  2 that belong 
>>>>> to each other or however you would call that.
>>>>> e.g. married couple, bird couple. That's the way i use 'couple" now for 
>>>>> more than 40 years. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't tell me that i was wrong more than 40 years. ;) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 08.09.2021 um 21:54 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My husband said the same when I told him about this thread. "Couple" 
>>>>>> means two. I said yes, but colloquially it can mean "two or three or 
>>>>>> somewhere in that range." We almost started a longer discussion about 
>>>>>> it, but I reminded him of our 30+ years of ongoing talk about a "fact" 
>>>>>> so we both stopped.
>>>> 
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Re: Email Support level(s) clarification

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hello Curry,

What we offer in the way of support to various license types:

No license - we'll answer any presales questions you have. We won't offer any 
other kind of support.

Any license holder of any kind - up and running support. Can't install? Got a 
problem activating? Won't download? Happy to help, drop us an email.

Starter and Standard plan license holders - basic up and running support, plus 
seeking out resources to help you via direct email. Any other support, via the 
dedicated support forum. So, if there's a lesson on it I'll be happy to send 
you the link. If there isn't, I'll redirect you to the support forum where your 
issue can be discussed. 

Email Support license holders - send us unlimited emails, on any kind of coding 
question, and we'll do our best to help. We won't write your project for you, 
but we will offer code samples, help debug, identify issues, look at your code 
and suggest better ways to do things.

We'll update our FAQ on the website to ensure this is covered.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 8 Sep 2021, at 12:10, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I hate to ask this offlist one-on-one because
> it seems much more of an FAQ-type question,
> where answering once could service many people,
> saving both LC Ltd and ourselves lots of time.
> 
> So here it is
> 
> Now "Email Support" is listed as an Addon
> in the new livecode.com Standard Pricing page.
> 
> The details mention "unlimited email support"
> with "2 business days" turnaround.
> 
> The cost seems to be the same as a platform.
> 
> And here's the reason this is confusing:
> I don't see any info on the alternative
> or default if we do NOT add Email Support.
> (What's the "standard" Standard support, if any?)
> 
> In practice, LC support email has been used
> for an incredibly broad range of issues.
> Everything from "hey, the web store is down"
> to Licensing questions. (And this question!)
> 
> For years we've had two levels of support:
> default, or faster/more involved Pro support.
> 
> If the new addon is roughly like Pro support,
> and the default still has basic email support,
> then it'll all make sense for existing users.
> Otherwise ... please enlighten me. Thanks!
> 
> (I'd suggest an FAQ on this for newbies too.)
> 
> Apologies if this has been covered already;
> I was unable to follow every thread lately.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
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> 
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Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Folks,

Thank you for all your input on this subject. I think everyone has now had an 
opportunity to express opinions, discuss, and understand the changes. As Kevin 
has said previously, if you have constructive ideas on how to improve our new 
model, please do send them to him direct. Naturally people here have strong 
feelings about LiveCode and the direction it should take in the future. I would 
beg that we remain polite, helpful and constructive in expressing such 
opinions. 

I think everything that needs to be said has now been said. I believe it is now 
time to return to the purpose of this list, supporting each other in using 
LiveCode. 

Warmest regards to all,

Heather

Your friendly local listmom.

Heather Laine
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> On 7 Sep 2021, at 08:33, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:13 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Another company's software I used for visual Foxpro and Delphi over the
>> years was
>> 
>> https://www.chilkatsoft.com/
>> 
>> Look at all the languages they support and livecode isn't on there [...]
>> VB.NET, VB6, VBScript, Xbase++, xHarbour, Xojo
>> 
>> The question is why Livecode isn't there?
>> 
>> Lagi
>> 
> 
> The question is: have YOU lobbied chilkat to build an interface for
> Livecode?  I did. I got no reply.
> 
> But when I bought my chilkat license (some years before I lobbied them)
> something went wrong with the payment (my bank cancelled the payment as
> "suspicious").  I got the vilest email from a company I've ever had,
> accusing me of fraud and telling me how the developer would get his own
> back.  His response is seared into my memory (I excused his awful behaviour
> by telling myself "hmm he must have had a significant number of people
> ripping him off with this software"). Despite his vile email, I arranged
> for payment with a different credit card. But when I didn't get a response
> from him re Livecode I decided I'd been too nice in excusing his bad
> behaviour.  By contrast, every email I've ever sent to LC Ltd has resulted
> in a prompt and courteous reply.
> 
> Perhaps if you spent as much time lobbying Chilkat as you spend denigrating
> LC Ltd you might find LC among the software supported by Chilkat?  I doubt
> the developer of Chilkat would allow you on his forum to repeatedly
> denigrate him and his software, criticising his company for supporting
> Filemaker than implementing something you want.
> 
> Once again, if "the opensource community", supposedly "the largest
> demographic", are not at least using their time to lobby e.g. Chilkat to
> provide a Livecode interface, then are they beneficial or are they just a
> drain?  To date the only Livecode user we know who spent time to lobby
> Chilkat is also one of those who is not a free-loader but one who has been
> a license-payer for decades.  What are the scores/hundreds of freeloaders
> doing with their time?
> 
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Re: Bye, and thanks for the fish

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

I'd just like to reiterate that, please get in touch on supp...@livecode.com if 
you have questions about your license or need help or don't think you can 
afford the new pricing. Please also bear in mind that we are *exceptionally 
busy* and while I will definitely get back to everybody, as fast as I can, it 
may take me a bit longer than usual. Your patience is appreciated. If you have 
emailed support once, and not heard back yet, please don't email again... it 
will only slow things down further :)

Warmest Regards to all,

Heather

PS and thank you for the messages of support, those are much appreciated too.

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> On 2 Sep 2021, at 10:33, Kevin Miller via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> What she said. Get in touch and I'm sure we can work something out.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> 
> On 02/09/2021, 04:36, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay via 
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>This situation is the kind of thing that Kevin encourages you to contact 
>support about. He's said he doesn't want to lose anyone.
> 
>It's true that open source has made things difficult for the company, but 
>they also value the folks who have stood by them all this time. Please do 
>write to Heather.
> 
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>On September 1, 2021 7:54:16 PM Neville Smythe via use-livecode 
> wrote:
> 
>>> On 1 Sep 2021, at 11:36 pm, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> i am not sure, if everyone is aware of it, but standalones that were 
>>> created with the Starter Plan license will expire as soon as the Startert 
>>> Plan subscription expires.
>> 
>> Not even Apple is that rapacious.
>> 
>> I used to have a commercial licence back when I was selling stuff (although 
>> the economics of software never made sense). Since retiring I have been 
>> “freeloading" with the Community edition as a hobbyist, my only LC uses 
>> being for personal use, and maintaining admin and operating software I 
>> wrote for a not-for-profit sporting organisation, and occasionally 
>> contributing bug reports. I can well understand the need for LC to move to 
>> a profitable basis, and I would be happy buy a plan if it made sense for 
>> our use, but there is no way my NFP association can afford US$1000 every 
>> year - or even one year (we would use 3 platforms, and not even the Server 
>> is thrown in with the desktop platforms). And a Starter Kit that means the 
>> app would stop working when I pass on (I have been around since Hypercard 
>> day 1) is an insult. Seems to me the hobbyist use of LC has come to an end. 
>> A great pity, but I guess times move on.
>> 
>> I have greatly enjoyed being part of this (mostly) friendly and generous 
>> community for many years.
>> 
>> Neville Smythe
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Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Brian... your price lock lapsed in January 2019. The last payment we received 
was in 2018, hence it could hardly be described as having been "kept active". 
Please contact support to discuss your exact licensing situation, I think you 
will find it more satisfactory than you realise.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 1 Sep 2021, at 16:01, Brian Duck via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check your email..,
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Keith Martin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just hope that my Price Lock Indy subscription will continue as promised.
> 
> Mine was cancelled via email from cleverbridge:
> 
> Your subscription for "LiveCode Indy - Price Lock" has been canceled.
> 
>> Kevin did say yesterday that "if we promised something in the past we do 
>> honour it” and back when I started my Indy sub I was told that my 
>> subscription will 'remain at the same cost for as long as I keep it active' 
>> – hence the Price Lock title.
> 
> Promises, promises.
> 
> The issue I have is the continuous campaigns promising features, only to find 
> I’ve funded an add-on that I can’t afford to deploy, as with HTML5.
> 
> Someone mentioned a roadmap for LC, is there more than what’s posted in the 
> blog?
> 
> MiAppWorks
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Re: Can't reach license server...

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

There was a temporary license problem which should now be fixed. If you are 
still seeing it please let me know in support.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 31 Aug 2021, at 16:49, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s why I use the manual license method.
> 
> Hopefully they are aware of the problem and are working on it.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> When trying to launch LiveCode, I keep getting errors contacting the license 
>> server and I see that Livecode.com is currently down for maintenance, so 
>> hopefully, this is a very temporary issue.
>> 
>> However, is anyone else having problems running LC due to not getting a 
>> license validated?
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Re: Whatever happened to on-rev?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Folks, the LiveCode Hosting Service is alive and well, there is no cause 
whatever for alarm. The name has changed from On Rev to LiveCode Hosting, in 
line with our name change from Runtime Revolution to LiveCode (about 10 years 
ago now). The domain has changed from on-rev to livecodehosting. You should 
never be able to access either http://on-rev.com <http://on-rev.com/> or https 
of same, this site is no longer used and redirects to livecode.com 
<http://livecode.com/>. We still have the domain for legacy accounts. If you 
want to learn about LiveCode Hosting, please go here:

https://livecode.com/hosting/ <https://livecode.com/hosting/>

For the avoidance of doubt, you will also not be able to access 
https://livecodehosting.com <https://livecodehosting.com/> as this domain is 
exclusively used to host client accounts, it is not a website. It redirects to 
livecode.com/hosting <http://livecode.com/hosting>.

Over the years we have upgraded our servers several times to ensure the best 
possible service. This has meant changes to account server names. We have of 
course always attempted to inform account holders of these changes but I 
appreciate that sometimes such emails get lost or missed. If you have or ever 
had a hosting account with us and you are unsure where it is now, please do 
contact support. Either supp...@livecode.com <mailto:supp...@livecode.com> or 
livecodehost...@livecode.com <mailto:livecodehost...@livecode.com> will be 
appropriate addresses to contact on.

I trust this clears up the matter! 

Warm Regards,

Heather



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> On 20 Aug 2021, at 05:38, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> quartz.on-rev.com <http://quartz.on-rev.com/> doesn’t work for me, but 
> https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083 <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/> 
> <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/ <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/>> is now 
> getting me to the c-panel sign in page, which then works.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> A few weeks back (months?) they upgraded the servers. I have two accounts, 
>> personal and work. Before they were on different servers, but after the 
>> upgrade, both are on quartz.on-rev.com <http://quartz.on-rev.com/> 
>> <http://quartz.on-rev.com/ <http://quartz.on-rev.com/>>, and I can get at 
>> them through c-panel.
>> 
>> Same user name and password.
>> 
>> Recommend contacting support -- on-...@runrev.com <mailto:on-...@runrev.com> 
>> <mailto:on-...@runrev.com <mailto:on-...@runrev.com>> -- to ask what server 
>> you are on now.
>> 
>> Tim Selander
>> Tokyo
>> 
>> On 8/20/21 10:23 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I recently had to use my space there, and this is the path to use:
>>> https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083 <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/> 
>>> <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/ <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/>> 
>>> <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/ <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/> 
>>> <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/ <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/>>>
>>> Having said that, right now it’s not loading.
>>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, it's complicated -)
>>>> 
>>>> For me (Chrome on Mac), I get
>>>> 
>>>> on-rev.com <http://on-rev.com/>   : redirects to livecode.com 
>>>> <http://livecode.com/> and all works ok
>>>> 
>>>> www.on-rev.com <http://www.on-rev.com/> : gives error page (in French) and 
>>>> Error 403
>>>> 
>>>> https://on-rev.com <https://on-rev.com/> : gives scary "connection is not 
>>>> private", etc. message
>>>> 
>>>> Alex.
>>>> 
>>>> On 20/08/2021 00:59, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> I am getting an error that I do not have permission to access the site. I 
>>>>> have a lifetime license.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 16:54 , Jerry Jensen via use-livecode 
>>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Eh, wot?
>>>>>> For me it redirects to https://livecode.com <https://livecod

Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.2

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Were you downloading direct from your account or via the updater? I thought 
we'd fixed the updater in this respect. What version of LiveCode were you 
updating from if you did use the updater?

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 19 May 2021, at 20:19, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Great!
> 
> And wow got me a massive 30KB/sec download while my download speedtest is 
> 74.87Mbps...
> 
> That's the speed back in 1996...
> 
> 
> Op 18-5-2021 om 16:55 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE.
>> 
>> 
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
>> the automatic updater.
>> 
>> 
>> Release Contents
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.6.2 STABLE comes with 49 changes since the last stable release
>> (9.6.1), including:
>> 
>> New Features
>>   - Support for the newly released MacOS Big Sur
>>   - Support for building with Xcode 12.1, using the iOS 14.1 SDK
>>   - New tsNet and mergExt builds, built with the iOS 14.1 SDK
>> 
>> Bug Fixes:
>>   - Fixed crash with mobilePickPhoto on Android 11
>>   - Fixed 'revIsSpeaking()' function on Windows
>>   - Faster deployment to iOS simulator
>>   - Several fixes related to modal dialogs on MacOS
>>   - Several dictionary fixes and documentation improvements
>> 
>> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
>> release notes:
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_2/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> Known issues
>> 
>> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
>> Cinnamon window manager.
>> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
>> yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Required Software
>> =
>> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
>> Xcode as follows:
>> 
>>   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
>> SDK
>>   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 13.2 SDK
>>   - macOS 10.15.4+: Xcode 12.1.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
>> 14.1 SDK
>> 
>> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
>> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>> 
>> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
>> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
>> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
>> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
>> installing it separately.
>> 
>> Important: Starting April 26, 2021, all iPhone and iPad apps submitted to
>> the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK or later. This
>> means that, if you wish to submit apps to the AppStore you will have to be
>> running at least macOS 10.15.4 in order to be able to install the necessary
>> version of Xcode.
>> 
>> 
>> Feedback
>> 
>> Please report any bugs encountered on our quality center at
>> http://quality.livecode.com/
>> 
>> We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93
>> 
>> 
>> Have fun!
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Re: License Activation

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

I'll get back in touch with them.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:17, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> I'm running KAV 11.4.0.223 AES 256. This is the enterprise not consumer
> version. I wonder is the update is only going to the consumer 
> version?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 10:04 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mark Waddingham
> Subject: Re: License Activation
> 
> On 2021-04-12 14:58, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> When I started LC 9.6.1 this am I got a message that the license is 
>> corrupted. When I entered my username/password to re-activate I got 
>> this message "An error occurred while attempting to contact the 
>> server"
>> Anyone
>> else having problems?
> 
> Hi Ralph,
> 
> Are you on Windows by any chance?
> 
> If so, then do you have Kaspersky AV?
> 
> The revsecurity.dll is being flagged as suspicious and being quarantined
> - we have got Kaspersky to re-evaluate this (several times in fact!) so it
> should be okay now, but you might have to update you Kaspersky virus
> definitions and/or get your local install to un-quarantine it. Indeed, you
> may have to reinstall 9.6.1 :|
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Mark.
> 
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Re: License Activation

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Kaspersky confirmed to me that they had updated their virus definitions to 
correct this, so an update to Kaspersky followed by a reinstall of LiveCode 
should fix it. Annoying, but hey ho.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 12 Apr 2021, at 15:14, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Yes, I have KAV on Win 10. ARRRG
> But seriously... Thanks!
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 10:04 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mark Waddingham
> Subject: Re: License Activation
> 
> On 2021-04-12 14:58, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> When I started LC 9.6.1 this am I got a message that the license is 
>> corrupted. When I entered my username/password to re-activate I got 
>> this message "An error occurred while attempting to contact the 
>> server"
>> Anyone
>> else having problems?
> 
> Hi Ralph,
> 
> Are you on Windows by any chance?
> 
> If so, then do you have Kaspersky AV?
> 
> The revsecurity.dll is being flagged as suspicious and being quarantined
> - we have got Kaspersky to re-evaluate this (several times in fact!) so it
> should be okay now, but you might have to update you Kaspersky virus
> definitions and/or get your local install to un-quarantine it. Indeed, you
> may have to reinstall 9.6.1 :|
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Mark.
> 
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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

OK. The general sentiment seems to be against banning. However, if I see any 
more inflammatory posts from participants in this thread, I will action bans.

Once again, the list demonstrates what a kind and forgiving place it is. 

I'm going to post the list rules again later today, when I have a moment, as I 
don't think I've done that for quite some time, maybe we need a refresher.

Best Regards to all,

Heather


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> On 11 Apr 2021, at 17:29, Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Writing as someone who has had the extremely dubious honour of being banned 
> more than once . . .
> 
> How does it go?
> 
> To err is human,
> to forgive is divine.
> 
> And if there is anyone on this use-list who has not rubbed someone up the 
> wrong way at least once I would be very surprised.
> 
> Live, Love, Learn . . .
> 
> Oh, cripes, that makes me sound like an unreconstructed hippy.
> 
> Love, Richmond.
> 
> On 11.04.21 0:41, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>> Charles:
>> 
>>> Please do not ban anyone.
>> 
>> Somehow that struck me as a pure and beautiful sentiment!
>> Short and simple. It grew on me during the list silence today.
>> 
>> We can be punitive, or else help each other as we imperfectly stumble.
>> 
>> I'd hate to see the entire list hurt for the sake of a careless word;
>> and that is what would happen. Because weighing the pros and cons,
>> we lose more than we gain as we dwindle in number and viewpoints/skills.
>> 
>> Here, please allow me to do the honors:
>> 
>> Sorry. Deepest apologies to one and all.
>> And again sorry.
>> 
>> May those who are offended find healing and forgiveness.
>> May love prevail in all our interactions here and elsewhere.
>> 
>> Hope we can move on. So many LC matters to discuss. Have a good weekend!
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Curry Kenworthy
>> 
>> Custom Software Development
>> "Better Methods, Better Results"
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Re: Find Replace in Script Editor with cr

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Oh my word. That went downhill really fast, while I was peacefully sleeping.

Folks. Never, ever, post politics on this mailing list. Do NOT exchange abuse. 
This is a place to discuss LiveCode, in a helpful and friendly fashion. If 
someone offends you, the best response is silence. If you must, please email me 
to ask for redress.

I really truly do not want to ban anyone, all the posters in this thread have 
provided interesting and useful information in the past. However, if I do not 
see apologies from Sean and John Balgenorth as their next posts I will ban you 
both. I'm not looking for justifications, explanations, or any continuation of 
this thread. Two simple apologies and move on. For the avoidance of doubt, you 
are not apologising to each other. You are apologising to the list for posts 
that have offended quite a large number of people.

Thank you.

Heather


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> On 8 Apr 2021, at 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> #cheese
> 
> If a post is offensive, delete it.
> 
> If a poster is frequently offensive, add a filter to have it delete 
> automatically.
> 
> May we please discuss LiveCode?
> 
> -- 
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> Fourth World Systems
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> 
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Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

I thought at this point, I could make a useful contribution to this thread:

https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1386097-i-get-a-warning-about-malicious-software-when-opening-a-livecode-standalone-on-mac
 
<https://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/1386097-i-get-a-warning-about-malicious-software-when-opening-a-livecode-standalone-on-mac>

My thanks to Scott for the handy test app, I hope you do not mind me using it 
to create this lesson...

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 30 Mar 2021, at 00:53, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your kind offer, Alex, but I think the process of opening an 
> unblessed standalone for OS 11 has been solved. See my previous post in 
> response to Scott. Turns out to be fairly simple . . . at least for this 
> iteration of OS. In short, just right-click 2 times. It may also be important 
> to do this from the Downloads folder. Not sure about that tho
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/03/2021 22:11, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Thanks, Alex. Unfortunately it comes up with the “No Entry” sign on this 
>>> machine.
>>> 
>>> Roger
>> 
>> I'm not exactly sure what message this is, or when it happens. But this 
>> sounds like "Fortunately, ..." because I think it means you have an app that 
>> hits a brickwall of permission on your own machine - so we can look at it in 
>> more detail without bothering your wife's many multiple windows.
>> 
>> It's hard to describe these things in words - hence my suggestion of a Zoom 
>> call where you can screen-share and let others watch (and suggest) while you 
>> try it. If you want to try that with just me, please do (I'm unavailable for 
>> the next hour, but free from approx 00:30 - 01:30 UK time), or tomorrow 
>> almost any time, given some notice).
>> Or contact me off-list and we'll find a time.
>> Or suggest a time and someone else might be able to join in and help.
>> 
>> There are lots of motivated people wanting to help - or to find out what 
>> they're going to need to tell their own users when those users upgrade to a 
>> later MacOS. :-)
>> 
>> Alex.
>> 
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Re: Does anybody know if the Livecode Global happened yesterday?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear Sean,

I am not aware of any emails from you. I strongly suspect this indicates a spam 
filter at work. You should have registration emails regarding the events.

I'll check and resend. Please confirm if/when you get them. Offlist of course.

Regards,

Heather


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> On 26 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Heather has not been replying to my messages and I received no notification
> about the events. Thats another bunch of money wasted with LC. They are
> amazing!
> 
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> +44(1634)402193
> +44(7702)116447
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
> but it is yourself!'
> 
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> 
> 
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 14:35, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it happened yesterday (and I enjoyed it, and as always learnt
>> something), and it will again today.
>> 
>> I'd email Heather (support@...) - and maybe mark it urgent if you want
>> to get in in the next hour.
>> 
>> Alex.
>> 
>> On 26/03/2021 14:18, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:
>>> HI All,
>>> 
>>> I purchase both the beginner and advanced courses (gotta have the set
>> ;-) )
>>> 
>>> I filled in the questionnaire/registering email that was sent a few weeks
>>> ago,  and since  . nothing.
>>> 
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Re: LiveCode hosting: terminal access?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Just ask us. We'll install it for you.

Best

Heather

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> On 3 Mar 2021, at 08:53, BT via use-livecode  
> wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> A quick question for those with LiveCode hosting / OnRev accounts...
> 
> I want to investigate LC server calling and processing data from Python 
> scrapy.org <http://scrapy.org/> scripts and was hoping to create a test-rig 
> on my LiveCode hosted server instance. 
> 
> However, I don’t see any obvious way to install the necessary Python packages 
> - the Softaulous Apps Installer doesn’t include any Python-related apps and I 
> don’t see access to any terminal SSH or WHM. 
> 
> I can't find anything in the forums hosting section on this. Am I missing 
> something obvious, do I need to request access from support or are these 
> accounts locked down such that I need to look elsewhere to setup an 
> alternative LC server test-rig?
> 
> Any steer would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Keith 
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Re: OT Friendly customers....

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Yikes. 

I took my eye off the list for just a few hours...

Folks, please, no. None of this here. We are here to discuss something we have 
in common, viz, LiveCode. I like to think that focussing on something we have 
in common helps to heal divides and reduce extreme views on all sides, but 
whether it does or not it is never appropriate to air these kinds of views on 
this list.

My best regards to all and not another peep out of any of you on this topic.

Heather

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> On 29 Jan 2021, at 01:12, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why am I still seeing this? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Stephen:
>> 
>>> forgive me that last post was supposed to be for Curry only
>> 
>> Stephen, I want to thank you for providing verification of the kind of hate 
>> speech/harrassment you were sending offline.
>> 
>> And for the record, I didn't attack you - I mentioned the FBI's lack of 
>> action when commenting on the proliferation of scams. Didn't start that 
>> thread, nor that topic. Didn't promote politics; stated my position AGAINST 
>> politicizing institutions, so that real crime can be addressed.
>> 
>> Nor did I mention Trump or a political position.
>> 
>> You ILLOGICALLY jumped to the conclusion that I was talking about this 
>> year's political situation (ignoring the details, including the dates that 
>> clearly preceded the situation you have in mind) and decided to mentally 
>> place me into a category of people that you hate.
>> 
>> Then you proceeded to attack ME (based on irrational reasoning) and send me 
>> hateful messages. Along with creepy demands to know which "team" I'm on.
>> 
>> You proactively mentioned Trump and your own brand of politics.
>> I didn't mention any political position to you.
>> 
>> I couldn't care less about your political opinions or proclivities.
>> I'm not bothered if you have "zero respect" or hate me based on your 
>> prejudices and illogical thinking.
>> 
>> I do find it disturbing when I see hatred, but it doesn't bother me 
>> personally when it's directed at me. I'll sleep just fine!
>> 
>> Rest assured that I'm definitely not on your "team."
>> You can keep all that offlist - and remember, I'm not your offlist.
>> Start a hate blog, or talk to your buddies about it.
>> 
>> But I do care about logic. Look at the years: you messed up.
>> All that ranting and raving, interrupting a thread with attacks, all based a 
>> false premise: assuming that I was talking about this year's events. 
>> Congratulations!
>> 
>> Now, can we get back to LC or not?
>> 
>> I've stated that I am AGAINST politicizing organizations including this 
>> list. Nor do I want your offlist rants. LC only please!
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Curry Kenworthy
>> 
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>> "Better Methods, Better Results"
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>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
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Re: LC & Mac M1 Chip

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Did somebody say cheese??


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> On 14 Jan 2021, at 02:45, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> You are new here, so I will just say that among the forbidden topics on this 
> list, sex, politics, religion (pretty much everything that really matters in 
> this world) is the subject of cheese. Consider yourself notified. ;-)
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:15 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Stay off the fake Gouda cheese, maybe it's Chinese origin.
> Only take the original Dutch Gouda, which is protected by the way, although
> in China they don't mind that.
> 
> Op zo 10 jan. 2021 om 23:36 schreef Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> 
> JeeJeeStudio:
> 
> One could ask him/her-self the question if it is still ethical to
> buy a reall Mac? Seeing the child-labor in their factories in China
> is still present.
> 
> I'm glad you went there! Thank you. I do ask myself, and the answer is
> clear. Whether it's a Mac, or any other product. Same deal.
> 
> Not to mention forced organ harvesting (often while conscious), torture,
> gulags, repression (now becoming fashionable), ethnic/racial crackdowns,
> thought/political/religious crackdowns, IP theft, debt traps,
> poison/health risks, safety flaws, hacking and theft, credible plan for
> world domination, worker hazards and living/working conditions, and the
> list could go on for many pages.
> 
> I'm typing this on a PC laptop, with a fan blowing on my face, at a
> desk, sitting on a wheelchair, under a light bulb, all of which probably
> have the same origin. Consumer choices are limited, but it does bother
> me. There's a real need for products produced in a context where human
> rights are respected.
> 
> (I consider that human decency, not politics. And for the record, I'm
> completely off cheese at the moment; developed allergic reaction to it.)
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> 
> Custom Software Development
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Re: ben testing access

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Just testing Ben's access to list, nothing to see here.


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> On 8 Dec 2020, at 12:09, Ben Helder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey there
> 
> 
> Stay Safe!
> 
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten / Best regards,
> Ben J. Helder
> Technisch Dir.
> AddAll IT Services
> rendementsweg 24-F, 
> 3641SL, Mijdrecht, The Netherlands
> T. +31 85 273 69 06
> T. +31 6 47912204
> E. b...@addall.nl 
> I.   www.addall.nl
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Some sad news

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Folks,

I have today received some sad news. I am told that Hermann Hoch passed away in 
April this year, from a stroke. I know many of you knew him either remotely or 
having met him in person at a conference. He will be missed. I met him myself 
and found him to be a wonderfully warm and kind person. He could be volatile, 
but I always felt it was because he cared passionately about things.

I will take what steps I can to preserve his legacy of HTML5 examples. As these 
are hosted on an on-rev account we should be able to maintain it in perpetuity 
for the benefit of the LiveCode Community. 

LiveCode HTML5 didn't always meet his expectations or progress as fast as he 
wanted it to and I do wish he could have seen our next planned release, where 
HTML5 support will be a focus. He was of great benefit to this community and 
shared his expertise freely. 

I'm not sure what else I can say. Rest in peace hh, you will be missed :(

Heather


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Re: New Campaign

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

:) what he said. But if you don't see your subscription there, check your email 
address. You could have a second account under a different email... If you need 
more help, please email me in support.

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 18 Jun 2020, at 01:13, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Alex,
> 
> Log in to the LiveCode site and on the left menu there is a link to 'My
> Subscriptions' which goes to https://livecode.com/account/subscriptions.
> You should see them there.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Sean Cole
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 00:32, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Heather,
>> 
>> I have a question, and I think it might be a common one, so I'll ask
>> here on the list rather than individually. Please feel free to reply
>> whichever way you think is better :-)
>> 
>> I will definitely buy something (or failing that simply donate) - but I
>> wanted to find what would be the best choice for me. I know (or think I
>> know) I have an Indy license, and wanted to see when it expires so I can
>> decide if I should renew/extend it now - and if not, then I'll find
>> another toy to buy.
>> 
>> But I can't find that info on the livecode.com/account page. I can only
>> find a licenses for "Livecode commercial" and for "Livecode complete". I
>> know that last one expired a long time ago - but can't find any more
>> info for the "Livecode Commrcial" one.
>> 
>> Can you tell me where/how to look ? Or if necessary, tell me off-list.
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Alex.
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/06/2020 15:30, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Dear list folks,
>>> 
>>> I'm drawing your attention to our crowd funding campaign, which we have
>> just launched here:
>>> 
>>> https://livecode.com/covid-19-livecode-impact-fund/ <
>> https://livecode.com/covid-19-livecode-impact-fund/>
>>> 
>>> This is an important campaign for LiveCode. If you have a moment please
>> do go and check it out.
>>> 
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> www.livecode.com
>>> 
>>> 
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New Campaign

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear list folks,

I'm drawing your attention to our crowd funding campaign, which we have just 
launched here:

https://livecode.com/covid-19-livecode-impact-fund/ 
<https://livecode.com/covid-19-livecode-impact-fund/>

This is an important campaign for LiveCode. If you have a moment please do go 
and check it out. 

Warmest Regards,

Heather

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checking we are back

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

If you see this, no need to reply.


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Re: on cheese

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

I guess they would need to use appropriate escape /cheese/ characters.

And with that, I really think we should move on... 

Thanks for the chuckle.

Heather

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> On 8 Jun 2020, at 15:25, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Suppose someone made a cheese related app maybe one that handles all of the 
> calculations needed during the cheese making process:
> 
> https://www.uoguelph.ca/foodscience/book/export/html/1874
> 
> Would they be able to discuss their app on the list?
> 
> Martin
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm? 
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Jun 2020, at 22:13, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheese
>> 
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Re: Times ARE changing

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hmmm? 

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> On 7 Jun 2020, at 22:13, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cheese

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Re: Licencing files for LC 9.6.0 rc-2

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Scroll down the list of downloads, below the fold. You will find all the test 
releases including 9.6.0 rc2. We forced rc1 to the top because the current 
stable release, 9.5.1, is not signed for Catalina and was causing problems for 
new users.

Best Regards,

Heather

> On 26 May 2020, at 20:07, Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Offline activation files for LC 9.6.0 rc-2 don't seem to be available?
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Re: Contacting the on-rev team

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Just to complete the options, the official email address for hosting support 
these days is livecodehost...@livecode.com 
<mailto:livecodehost...@livecode.com>. But as Matthias said, the old email will 
still work. You can use the support form on the website. You can even email 
supp...@livecode.com <mailto:supp...@livecode.com> and we'll redirect you. 

Best Regards,

Heather

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> On 26 May 2020, at 15:39, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> When use the hosting support page(link below) I typically get a response
> within 15-30 minutes(most times 10 minutes or less) for "emergency requests"
> and Robin/Heather are on it immediately.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Marc Siskin via use-livecode
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:23 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Marc Siskin
> Subject: Re: Contacting the on-rev team
> 
> Greg,
> 
> Try going to https://livecode.com/hosting/support/ and fill out the form at
> the bottom of the page.
> 
> Marc Siskin
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Greg Pink Miller via use-livecode
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Anyone know a good way of getting ahold of the on-rev support team?
> 
> I tried emailing supp...@on-rev.com<mailto:supp...@on-rev.com> and
> webmas...@on-rev.com<mailto:webmas...@on-rev.com> and both bounced.
> 
> (I need ModRewrite enabled)
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Re: Our Next Community Zoom Meeting

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

4pm UK summer time. We are 8 hours ahead of California. We are 5 hours ahead of 
New York. We are 8 hours behind Sydney, Australia.

I hope this helps...

See you Friday!

Heather


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> On 18 May 2020, at 16:02, Prothero-ELS via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> Sometimes Apple’s auto-correct embarrasses me, especially if I carelessly 
> don’t read what I just typed.
> 
> I know Heather” is not spelled “Hear her”.
> 
> The time zone for the meeting time will help me not miss it by hours.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> https://earthlearningsolutions.org
> 
>> On May 18, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Prothero-ELS 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hear her,
>> Friday, 4PM... time zone? 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> https://earthlearningsolutions.org
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2020, at 6:31 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear List Folks,
>>> 
>>> I have scheduled our next use-list/community zoom meeting for 4pm, Friday, 
>>> 22nd May. I hope as many as possible of you can join me. 
>>> 
>>> These meetings are open to anyone who wishes to discuss LiveCode, share 
>>> hints and tips and see a friendly face during this period of isolation for 
>>> many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to facilitate discussion. 
>>> The actual debate, discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys 
>>> and gals! Come along and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn 
>>> information on. Just to reiterate, the usual list rules apply: we're 
>>> talking LiveCode, we're not talking religion or politics, and cheese should 
>>> be kept to a minimum :)
>>> 
>>> Registration link:
>>> 
>>> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZckc-Guqz4pGtbgnkR6LW64h2ml_Y2FpMjU
>>>  
>>> <https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZckc-Guqz4pGtbgnkR6LW64h2ml_Y2FpMjU>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> www.livecode.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Our Next Community Zoom Meeting

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Folks,

I have scheduled our next use-list/community zoom meeting for 4pm, Friday, 22nd 
May. I hope as many as possible of you can join me. 

These meetings are open to anyone who wishes to discuss LiveCode, share hints 
and tips and see a friendly face during this period of isolation for many. I 
will be there in a moderation capacity, to facilitate discussion. The actual 
debate, discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals! Come 
along and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just to 
reiterate, the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not 
talking religion or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)

Registration link:

https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZckc-Guqz4pGtbgnkR6LW64h2ml_Y2FpMjU 
<https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZckc-Guqz4pGtbgnkR6LW64h2ml_Y2FpMjU>


Best Regards,

Heather


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Re: Our first Community Zoom Session

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hmm. Think maybe some timezone confusion?

We started at 4pm UK time, its now 5.19pm...

Best 

Heather

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> On 3 Apr 2020, at 17:14, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is it already over ? its only 12:20 EST and its saying the start is at 11
> AM... if I am the host I should log in
> 
> Am I crazy to expect "Meeting is over". if its over?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/2/20 9:34 AM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I think the that’s midnight PST . . .
>>> 
>>> Also, I would ask that you to *not* submit our email address to zoom,
>> but instead send the code to the lit, or by your own servers to our
>> email—it came out in the last couple of days that, just a zoom was nearing
>> a whole week without  a new security or privacy sue, that they’d globe
>> email in a way to make them accessible . . .
>> 
>> Register with a disposable email address / use a pen name.
>> https://10minutemail.com/
>> 
>> --
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Our first Community Zoom Session

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear list folks,

I have now scheduled our first zoom meeting, open to anyone who wishes to 
discuss LiveCode, share hints and tips and see a friendly face during this 
period of isolation for many. I will be there in a moderation capacity, to 
facilitate discussion. Panos will be joining me to help out. The actual debate, 
discussion, conversation and topics is down to you guys and gals! Come along 
and bring a topic you'd like to share/learn information on. Just to reiterate, 
the usual list rules apply: we're talking LiveCode, we're not talking religion 
or politics, and cheese should be kept to a minimum :)

To give us an idea of numbers and how to best manage the meeting, I have turned 
on registration for this meeting, so you can click on the link below to 
register. It would be helpful if you can do this in advance. The meeting will 
be tomorrow, Friday 3rd April, at 4pm UK time, (we've just switched to Summer 
Time here). To see what time that is for you, please go here:

https://www.timeanddate.com/ <https://www.timeanddate.com/>

or just click the registration link and you will be able to specify a timezone 
to see what time it will be for you.

The invitation:

You are invited to a Zoom meeting. 

When: Apr 3, 2020 04:00 PM London 

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://zoom.us/meeting/register/v50kdeGuqjstQaRWOduQAUs31lqtQJOVdA 

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the meeting.

Warm Regards, and see you tomorrow!

Heather

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Ready to go

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Dear List Folks,

Following up on my earlier message, our special Covid-19 page is now live on 
site, here:

https://livecode.com/stay-at-home/ <https://livecode.com/stay-at-home/>

Please feel free to share far and wide, with anyone you think might benefit 
from it.

We'll be setting up the first zoom meeting soon, I'll let you know when we've 
finalised a date and time.

Best Regards,

Heather

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Its very quiet

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

We are all still here, right? Our list hasn't fallen over again...

If you get this, no need to reply ;) Only let me know if you don't.

Cheers

Heather

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Idea to keep us all connected

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Dear List Folks,

These are strange and difficult times. Thanks to COVID-19 we at LiveCode Ltd. 
are all now working from home, and staying together as a company via Zoom and 
Slack. It's working pretty well for us I must say, at least so far. Turns out 
programmers don't much mind being locked in a room alone with just a computer 
and a takeaway pizza for company...

I'm sure many of you are in the same boat, quarantined or semi-quarantined and 
trying to keep going without the usual levels of face to face support and 
company. We've been talking about how we can all support each other during this 
time, and stick together as a community. 

We want to do our bit. To this end, we are planning to setup a monthly zoom 
room for everyone on the list to access. You can speak to each other, find out 
how everyone is doing, share your projects, tell your story. We will join these 
rooms when we can. This will very much be an extension of the use-list, with 
the same ground rules - we're here to talk about using LiveCode, and help each 
other out with that. Obviously there will be some water cooler type chit chat 
but please... no politics, religion or cheese! Let's keep it positive. It will 
be community run, we will participate as and when we can but primarily this is 
for you all to talk to each other. We'll work out the mechanics of it as we go 
along, but it looks like zoom has the facility to split off smaller groups so 
it does not become too unmanageable and everyone has a chance to participate.

On top of this we want to do more - we want to use what we have to help. We are 
fully aware that people across the world are having to stay home, some are 
fortunate enough to be able to keep their jobs or businesses and some have not 
been so fortunate. We want to give people the opportunity to learn a new skill. 
Taking a leaf from Andre's book (thanks Andre, and pun intended...), while this 
crisis is ongoing we are going to make the first year of LiveCode Indy 
available to brand new users from free to full price. This will be on a sliding 
scale - people can pay whatever they want or can afford. No judgement. We hope 
you can help us spread the word, if you know anyone who is in a tough 
situation, or just someone who has always wanted to code - please pass this on 
to them. We also ask you (although we know you will) to welcome new people to 
the community with open arms and help them through this new journey. We would 
love to hear any ideas you have on how we as a community can help more people 
through coding. We are putting the campaign together now, we expect to be ready 
to launch it in a few days time.

All we ask at this time is that existing customers do not cancel their 
subscriptions to then go ahead and purchase a new license on the sliding scale. 
It's worth noting that although the first year will be at a price determined by 
the user - the second year will be at full price. If any of you are struggling 
at this time and are concerned about your subscription payments please do get 
in touch with me on the usual supp...@livecode.com email and we will try to 
support you in the best way we can.

Thanks for reading this rather long post. Take care, stay home, stay well and 
enjoy this excellent opportunity to really get to grips with LiveCode in your 
solitude!

Warm Regards,

Heather

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LiveCodeShare brief planned outage

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Dear List Folks,

LiveCodeShare is about to be offline for an hour or so while it makes it final 
move to our new server, having been repaired and updated to run on the 64bit 
OS. Once this is completed, this should be the final time it has to move, and 
it should resolve an observed problem with uploading large files it has 
suffered from for a month or two.

Thank you for your patience, and don't worry, LiveCodeShare will be back with 
us shortly.

Best Regards,

Heather

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Re: Interruption to LiveCode services

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

It did not. It contracted some very peculiar interaction with an old backup. 
Those that understand these things assure me it will not happen again.

We are all sorted now.

Best Regards,

Heather

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LiveCode Ltd
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> On 17 Mar 2020, at 23:17, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Now THAT would be a crossover virus to beat all. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 16:09 , Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Did it contract a virus? Had it maintained social separation distances?
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Mar 2020, at 20:21, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As some of you will have noticed a number of LiveCode services are 
>>> currently down - notably, the main LiveCode webserver, the forums and 
>>> bugzilla.
>>> 
>>> We are currently working to restore these services as quickly as possible.
>>> 
>>> The mailing list server is currently unaffected it seems so hopefully this 
>>> email will get through!
>>> 
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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test - ignore

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List restored again?


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Re: Cannot identify the Menubar button clicked under Mac OS

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

If this is a screensteps lesson in our portal, please leave a comment on it. We 
review all comments and action them where necessary.

Regards,

Heather
Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
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> On 25 Feb 2020, at 18:48, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tore Nilsen wrote:
> > The problem here is that when a group is set to behave as a menubar on
> > MacOS, the target becomes the group and not any of the individual
> > buttons. Therefore the script as it is written in the tutorial will
> > not work, since the update of the menu will only happen if the short
> > name of the target is «window». It will work if you remove the
> > encapsulating if-statement.
> 
> Agreed: the engine behavior is fine, the Lesson script is written in a way 
> I've never seen anyone attempt, and will fail.
> 
> Are the Lessons also at Github?  Would be nice if someone here has a moment 
> to update that.
> 
> We should also consider adding a menu update example in the User Guide. Most 
> of the Guide's discussion in "Programming Menus and Menu Bars" is pretty 
> good, and there's even a useful example of handling menuPick, but no example 
> for updating via mouseDown.
> 
> 
> > Removing the if-statement will update the content of the «Window» menu
> > regardless of which menu you choose, provided that the script is
> > placed in the group script. This way the user may well choose another
> > menu initially, slide to the «Window» menu and be presented with an
> > updated menu. So, while this may be a bug, the way around it is to
> > write less code. If only all problems could be solved this way.
> 
> Definitely not a bug, at least as far as original intent. Dr. Raney was quite 
> clear when I discussed this with him some 20 years ago that he had no 
> intention of jumping through the hoops that would be needed to try to treat 
> the OS menu bar as a collection of LiveCode buttons.
> 
> A quick change to that one Lesson resolves the issue; extra bonus points if 
> we add that to the User Guide as well.
> 
> Yes, if only everything else was this easy. I'd love to submit a pull request 
> to a Lesson to make it possible to play video on Linux from within LC. :)
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Re: Test

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Not your fault, apparently cpanel updated automatically and broke mailman. 
Fixed now, apologies for the inconvenience.

Regards,

Heather


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> On 7 Nov 2019, at 09:29, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> when answering on a post on this list, my answer is rejected with the
> following error:
> 
> 
> 
>  pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post use-livecode
> 
>generated by  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> 
>local delivery failed
> 
> 
> 
> what worked fine in the past.
> 
> 
> 
> anybody knows, whats the difference to a new post? And what I have to change
> to be able to answer a post?
> 
> 
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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checking the list is here

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No need to respond...


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Re: my message not showing up in "use-livecode"

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This sounds like it might be due to the breaking change in standalone building 
described in the release notes for 9.0:

https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_0.pdf 
<https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_0.pdf>

I quote:

The standalone builder has always needed to close the stacks it builds for 
reasons pretty deeply ingrained in the code. However this causes a few 
problems, for example: 

values in script locals become empty 
behaviors are broken when the parent script is on / in a stack which closes 

As an attempt to improve this situation, the code that locks messages when 
closing and opening stacks for standalone builds has been removed. This means 
that where previously mainstacks would not receive openStack and closeStack 
messages during standalone build, they now do. If this causes problems for your 
stack, you can exit from the handler if standalone building is in progress: 

on closeStack 
if the mode of stack "revStandaloneProgress" > 0
then exit closeStack
end if 
end closeStack

I hope this helps,

Regards,

Heather

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> On 1 Nov 2019, at 15:12, Douglas Ruisaard  wrote:
> 
> This has happened a few times before... the following message never got 
> posted to "   use-livecode@lists.runrev.com".  Can you explain why?  It must 
> have gone somewhere because Giovanni Cannizzaro [johnthejoc...@yahoo.it] 
> responded but I certainly can see how *he* saw it but no one else apparently 
> did.
> 
> unposted message:
> 
> I am having an issue with using "any" business version of 9 (9.04, 9.05, 
> 9.5-32bit, 9.5-64bit) to generate a standalone output of my application.  I 
> am using Windows 7 Enterprise SP1 and have tried building the identical 
> script (with the same result) on two different installations of said OS on 
> two different machines. 
> 
> LC business v 8.1.10 generates the standalone fine. 
> 
> LC business version 9.0.5 (with IDENTICAL settings in the "Standalone 
> Application Settings" as used in the v8.1.10 build) seems to crash LC  just 
> at the point of "closing open stacks" at which point all things LC disappear 
> from my desktop.  An appropriate "destination" directory for the standalone 
> is created as per the settings but it is completely empty. 
> 
> The actual application runs fine in all LC business versions... it's just 
> that I can't get the LC v9.x to generated the standalone... and ... I can't 
> find ANY error or log explaining what is wrong!! 
> 
> Is there such a log or audit which details the steps that LC is taking and 
> possibly what the issue is that it cannot resolve?  I have checked at the 
> Administrators tools event logging provided by Windows 7 ... but there is no 
> corresponding event which is simultaneous with the LC "crash". 
> 
> I follow this user-group quite closely and seem to recall others having 
> issues with LC v9's standalone processes but I cannot seem to find such 
> references within the very large amount of chat this site contains.  I have 
> NOT checked the LC QC bugs since I really don't know what I'm looking for 
> other than potential issues with the standalone builder. 
> 
> I'd very much appreciate any tips, pointers, explanations as to how to either 
> resolve this issue or where within my LC environment I can find any logs 
> concerning the standalone processing. 
> 
> Cheers! 
> Douglas Ruisaard 
> Trilogy Software 
> (250) 573-3935 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Give a bug a hug

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For what its worth, I think this is the way to go. A totally community run 
initiative, with a bounty on bug fixes. Someone or several someones outside of 
the LiveCode team would need to take responsibility for setting up a structure. 
We'd love to see bugs being fixed, by members of the community. It's kind of 
the reason behind Open Source. There are plenty of bugs that would be suitable, 
which don't require deep dives into the engine. Pull requests arrive in the 
usual manner and get approved or fed back on in the normal scheme of things by 
our team. If this could be encouraged by a bounty on fixes, funded by the 
community, run by the community and entirely outside of LiveCode Ltd.'s scope, 
what's not to like? Our overstretched resources would be augmented by a 
community team, and the dual nature of the licensing would bear fruit in a new 
and productive manner. I like it. 

Over to you. 

Best Regards,

Heather


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> On 10 Oct 2019, at 22:17, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> wow, i managed to mute this conversation.  fail.
> @paul, that's exactly why we ponied up, too, as an insurance policy.  we
> have been burned by numerous organizations either abandoning their software
> work product or disappearing.  thankfully, for most of our mission-critical
> stuff, we have, own, and maintain the source.
> @Sean, I'm not generally thinking of the underlying engine for the bounty
> program, I'm thinking of pieces in LCS/LCB.  In those cases, the PR doesn't
> get submitted to the LC repo until whatever step it was further down.
> There isn't any reason why private repos can't be used to manage this
> process, especially with submodules.  The patrons would have access to the
> repo, no one else would.
> As for the conversation about the unfinished projects that all of us ponied
> up for on a promise, I 100% agree, which is why the funds are escrowed.
> The developer proposing a solution doesn't get paid until the patch is
> tested and approved by the patrons of the patch.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:02 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> +1 Richard. I got onboard with what user to be Runtime Revolution (I think
>> it was version 2!) Where livecode is today is orders of magnitude more than
>> it was when it first started. There was no datagrid. No way to display
>> tabular data apart from a very simple table field. No arrays. Difficult and
>> confusing database APIs. No mobile support. The list goes on.
>> 
>> LC is like a really good girlfriend. She isn't everything I ever wanted,
>> but she's good enough for me. :-)
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2019, at 19:49 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pi Digital wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On 8 Oct 2019, at 21:42, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> And here is a May 2016 update:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> https://livecode.com/trevor-devore-interviews-kevin-mark-on-infinite-livecode/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> A small number of people keep going round and round on this a large
>>>>> number of times.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How many times will the same conversation happen before more recent
>>>>> information is absorbed?
>>>> 
>>>> An excellent article. Which part was you pointing to in reference to
>>>> Lagi’s question about older campaigns funded that have still not met
>>>> the core?
>>> 
>>> There's a section in the middle listing off the accomplishments since
>> the Kickstarter, and some of the discussion goes into how much of that was
>> paid for out-of-pocket.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> And which part do you refer to when asserting that absorption of info
>>>> is needed to reduce the same conversations recursion rate?
>>> 
>>> The portion of Lagi's post I had originally quoted in my reply:
>>> 
>>>   This is what I was talking about being treated like mushrooms
>>>   - no communication as to what the future holds.- rough timescales
>>>   as to when new or reassigned resources will be implemented - what
>>>   is the intention with sqlite, 2d physics, Audio 
>>> 
>>> He's one of about three people who keep going back to the Kickstarter
>> list as some form of eternal damnation against the team, and he knows that
>> I know that he's read comments here and in the forums from Kevin and other
>> team members that have discussed al

Re: Building Android Apps

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Peter -

This is intended as the definitive and up to date guide to getting set up for 
Android app building with LiveCode:

http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/625198-livecode-and-android-studio 
<http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/625198-livecode-and-android-studio>

If it is not up to date, if you try it and fail, if you get some mysterious 
error etc please leave a comment on the lesson. We will investigate and update 
the lesson if needed.

Best Regards,

Heather


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> On 9 Oct 2019, at 12:25, Peter Reid via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've been building Android apps using my iMac for some time. However, 
> yesterday I started to get an error message "Failure 
> [INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE]" when I try to build an Android standalone 
> app. Any ideas what's causing this and how to fix it?
> 
> Separately I'd like to be able to build Android apps on my 15in MacBook Pro 
> so I can do on-the-fly fixes when out and about. However I can't find 
> up-to-date instructions for installing Android support. Some searches produce 
> various suggestions including LiveCode tutorials about setting up a Mac to 
> work with LiveCode and Android but they all seem to be out of date and 
> contradict each other. In addition there's no advice for how to get to a 
> clean state of Java and Android.
> 
> Can anyone point to up-to-date details for setting up a Mac to create Android 
> apps with minimal installation of supporting technologies, both as a clean 
> set-up and how to clean up JDK and SDK support if necessary?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Peter
> --
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> Loughborough, UK
> 
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Re: Where LiveCode is Now

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Dear Sean,

If you look back through that thread you will see that we did more than 
apologise. We expressed regret, and we also showed willing to jump in and fix 
the issue as soon as was humanly possible. Which is all anyone can do when 
something goes wrong. We do not as yet have the ability to time travel in order 
to prevent the issue having arisen.

It is time to move on from this thread.

Warmest regards,

Heather

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> On 4 Oct 2019, at 11:28, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> And there it is (indeed)!! You still managed to get out of apologising to me, 
> LC. Pft! 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Prod Ltd


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Re: Where LiveCode is Now

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:) and there it is. I am happy and relieved to be able to forgive and move on.

We all want the same thing here: for LiveCode to be hugely successful. Our 
official BHAG (Big Hairy Audacious Goal, this is real actual terminology 
believe it or not) as stated in our company articles is and has been for some 
years to see LiveCode as number 1 on the Tiobe index. Our means for getting 
there may differ, but we can at least all agree on the goal.

Onwards and upwards.

Warmest Regards, 

Heather

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> On 4 Oct 2019, at 10:02, Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Possibly, on rereading my intemperate posting I should be banished to the 
> naughty corner at least.
> 
> I do apologise for all the obvious offense my posting has caused.
> 
> However, I will state that that posting was an explosion of frustration about 
> some issues I feel are very real indeed.
> 
> I do hope that:
> 
> 1. You will all forgive me.
> 
> 2. Support my coming efforts vis Jacque Landman Gay's message to establish a 
> fund-raiser to
> finance a concerted effort at getting as many out-standing bugs in LiveCode 
> sorted out as possible.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 4.10.19 10:46, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>> To banish Richmond, or to banish bugs? Which is the bigger problem?
>> 
>> Which is more directly responsible for the existence of this thread?
>> 
>> I would encourage looking at "net" bugs: bugs fixed, versus bugs introduced 
>> or regressed, during a time period. In development there are always bugs, 
>> and there are always fixes. Both the number of bugs and the number fixed are 
>> pretty impressive. Comparing the two (which takes a while, as we're still 
>> finding old bugs) might be more meaningful than promoting either on its own.
>> 
>> Not sure about "net" Richmonds. :)
>> 
>> I think reducing net bugs would be a plus all around, and would make a good 
>> impression on new and old customers. I care about LC, use it exclusively, 
>> and want the best for it.
>> 
>> Reducing net Richmonds could be pleasant superficially (ah, the peace, the 
>> lack of random vulgarities, witty insults, and topic stew) but might risk 
>> losing the occasional valuable insight. Not to mention an LC teacher and 
>> Unicode tester and all-around issue awareness raiser. And a longstanding 
>> part and practically parcel of this list community, whose missing presence 
>> might be felt.
>> 
>> LC can and will do as they wish, and some order and decency must be 
>> maintained on any list for that list to survive, but that's my 2 cents as an 
>> LC well-wisher and thinking only of what LC stands to lose or gain, not for 
>> myself.
>> 
>> I'm part Scottish too, you know? Our genetic curse may be that we bottle in 
>> all our opinions (the very few we have) and keep it inside our entire lives, 
>> and never express ourselves in the least. (Ha ha.) For several years on some 
>> occasions with fairly wild threads I've wanted to joke: for goodness sake, 
>> speak up for yourself! But I rarely chime in here. I'm writing this email 
>> now, just in case it's the last opportunity to say that.
>> 
>> Hello and bye for now, to everyone, back to work
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Curry K.
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Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Richmond - What you wrote is not just "unpleasant". It is rude, ill informed, 
offensive and disrespectful to LiveCode, our company, our amazingly dedicated 
employees, and the members of this great list. If I don't see an apology in the 
morning you will make history as the only person I have ever banned twice from 
this list.

Regards somewhat in abeyance right now.

Heather

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LiveCode Ltd
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> On 3 Oct 2019, at 20:54, Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Unpleasant rants . . .
> 
> Indeed: what I write was unpleasant.
> 
> There is, sometimes, a time and a place for unpleasantness, or, as some would 
> have it, 'speaking directly.'
> 
> But, as many people have said softer, more tactful things for a long time to 
> largely no avail, it might just
> be that an unpleasant rant gets through.
> 
> If I offended anyone re running companies, that is just a side effect.
> 
> The simple fact is . . .
> 
> And I did preface my rant with it's "Mr Mouth" ' so anyone who wanted
> could either ignore or disregard what I wrote.
> 
> 
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Where LiveCode is Now

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear List Folks,

I'd like to reassure you, the team is anything but idle, and the fruits of 
their labours are coming your way. I don't wish to steal Pano's thunder, but 
you should look for an announcement on 9.0.5 tomorrow (all being well with the 
build, which is currently undergoing final checks. Probably I've just jinxed it 
by mentioning a release date, in direct contravention of my rules.) 9.0.5 has 
had a fix shoehorned into it for the nasty debugger crashing that was reported 
not long ago.

9.5.1 is well under way and shouldn't be long now, bringing the needed updates 
for iOS among other things. I'm not going to even hint at a release date of 
next week for this, its certain to cause a #fail.

9.6 is in progress with some nice new features and a first dp is not far off. 
Real Soon Now :).

Yes, it has taken a little longer than usual between releases. A major reason 
for this was the server move, which impacted our build bots and delayed all 
test builds. Frustrating, but necessary work, and thankfully that is all done 
now and everything is working smoothly again. One does not appreciate the full 
complexity of these build bots until one attempts to move them intact from one 
place to another.

The suggestion that all our efforts will remain with LCFM Native and never bear 
fruit for LiveCode itself is based on a misconception, an idea that somehow we 
are working on something other than LiveCode. We're not. Everything we are 
building for LCFM Native is built with LiveCode. We cannot do it without 
improving LiveCode. Those improvements will come back to the community (many 
already have). Hermann... its not an infinite effort. FileMaker is very much a 
finite set of code, with relatively slow changes. 

I hope you will like 9.0.5, 9.5.1 and 9.6, we're looking forward to bringing 
them to you. 

Best Regards,

Heather


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Re: In-App Purchase Subscription

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

In case its helpful:

http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/186807-how-do-i-implement-in-app-purchases-in-livecode-apple-appstore
 


Regards,

Heather

> On 25 Sep 2019, at 17:28, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello LiveCode community,
> 
> Does anyone have a sample of selling a subscription using LiveCode's In-App
> Purchase functionality? We are looking to sell an app with a monthly fee. I
> have it set up in Apple correct, but getting errors in testing.
> 
> --Todd Fabacher
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Re: Forum messages no longer distributed?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Dear me, it would appear you are correct. I'll take a look.

Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
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> On 3 Sep 2019, at 21:58, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 9/3/19 1:10 PM, R.H. via use-livecode wrote:
>> Since August 31st I do no longer receive daily email messages from the
>> Forum. Am I the only one?
> 
> Same. Can you report it please?
> 
> 
> -- 
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> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Maintenance forever?

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Rick...I don't think you quite comprehended the issue. The raid disk failed on 
the new server we were transferring 500GB of data to, during transfer. 
Suboptimal. Reverse engines! Start again, lets have a new disk there please...

Anyway, that is all done now, and pretty much everything is back up and 
running. There will be a few remaining tweaks. 

I can confirm that LiveCodeShare is working again. If anyone does not see it, 
please flush DNS, restart your router, restart computer, restart LiveCode and 
try it again...

LiveCodeShare was particularly difficult as it was first created many years ago 
using an old version of Revolution CGI which is not 64bit compatible. 

Best Regards,

Heather

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Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
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> On 29 Aug 2019, at 18:12, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> They said they had a RAID that failed that caused a mess.
> One still has to do backups for any RAID for that reason.
> Even if they were just using Time Machine to perform a
> backup of their RAID they only would lose a maximum
> of one hour’s worth of data.  If they were doing transaction
> logging they wouldn’t lose more than 1 transaction.
> They could have been up and running again pronto.
> 
> Just my 2 cents for the day.
> 
> Let’s hope things improve soon.
> 
> Rick
> 
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Re: checking we're still here

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Yes, that's up and running now. 

Regards,

Heather

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LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 29 Aug 2019, at 14:38, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes...
> 
> Is the QCC website update completed?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Heather Laine via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:26 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Heather Laine
> Subject: checking we're still here
> 
> Been a bit quiet today. 
> 
> Is the list still getting messages?
> 
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
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checking we're still here

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Been a bit quiet today. 

Is the list still getting messages?


Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
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Re: another list test

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

quality.livecode.com is not up and running on the new server. It is still 
working on the old server. Whether you can see it or not depends on which 
server your dns is pointing at.

We are aware of the issue with the QC, and are working on upgrading it so it 
can move.

Best Regards,

Heather

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LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 27 Aug 2019, at 16:04, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> May i ask what is not working.
> 
> I just did a quick test and searched for some bug reports. That was working 
> w/o problems?
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> 
> free tools for Livecoders:
> InstaMaker <https://instamaker.dermattes.de/>
> WinSignMaker Mac <https://winsignhelper.dermattes.de/>
> 
>> Am 27.08.2019 um 17:00 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> On 8/27/19 7:51 AM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I still don't see this:
>>> http://quality.runrev.com <http://quality.runrev.com/> 
>>> <http://quality.runrev.com/ <http://quality.runrev.com/>>
>> 
>> It's even worse if you try
>> https://quality.livecode.com/ <https://quality.livecode.com/>
>> 
>> -- 
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>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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