AW: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
The weird thing was, that this message was different as others related to not signed apps, telling it couldn't search for malware in the LC app... That puzzled me. In the security settings I had the setting "appStore & trusted developers" (or so), but that was not enough. I had to add LC Indy to the white list "open anyway". The clue was, that I had to open first the security system settings then start LC and only then Apple asks me in the open system settings window, if I want to add this app to the open anyway list. Otherwise it wont show you any window or choice to answer this option. Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. November 2019 11:02 An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Cc: Tiemo Hollmann TB Betreff: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy? Hello, I just installed LC Indy 9.5.0. on MacOS 10.15 Catalina I can't start LC Indy. My Mac tells me: "LiveCode Indy 9.5.0 can't be opened, because Apple can't search for malware in this app." This software has to be updated. Probably this was already a question on this list, but I couldn't find the answer, what I have to do. Thank you Tiemo ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
On 11/5/19 12:26 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: I am sure it is possible. I just don't have the PHP/HTML/Javascript/whatever skills to do that. Me neither. I do it either directly in a .lc server page, or else the .lc page starts using a stackfile that does it. (fiddling around with different machines...) It appears the $_SERVER[HTTP_USER_AGENT] server global might provide an adequate distinction between OSes on requesting machines. I just ran a 'globals.lc' server page from 3 different Macs with different OS versions and got this info returned: $_SERVER[HTTP_USER_AGENT] = Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_6) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/78.0.3904.87 Safari/537.36 $_SERVER[HTTP_USER_AGENT] = Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/78.0.3904.70 Safari/537.36 $_SERVER[HTTP_USER_AGENT] = Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_14_5) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/12.1.1 Safari/605.1.15 My server's globals.lc page looks like this on the inside: " after tOutput end repeat put tOutput ?> Phil Davis On 11/5/2019 12:02 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote: On this issue, isn't it possible to let a web server detect the OS requesting the download? So the server can then do the picking and send the right version to the requestor? Or maybe the info available to the server about the requesting OS isn't that detailed. Not sure. At least I'm sure I can use a single download link for an app's Mac and Windows installers. Phil Davis On 11/5/19 8:33 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: I'm not saying YOUR experience is invalid. I guess I am just saying we have really really really computer naive customers and Apple has gone and complicated things and it creates a support burden for us that we would not have had to expend resources addressing if Apple had not done this. Apple has, and there is no going back, so it is what it is, but it is really really annoying! :-( On 11/5/2019 11:23 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: But the installers for drivers and the installer you want to use are not different. And what else does anyone have to go on but their experiences, and other people's experiences? I need to tap into that resource! ;-) Bob S On Nov 5, 2019, at 08:18 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: On 11/5/2019 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: First, your assumption that "it's one everyone is experiencing for any installer" is exactly that, an assumption based on your experiences. The vast majority of our customers are computer novices and anything but the simplest of steps can cause them problems. Most do not know what version of macOS they run, nor how to tell what version they are running. Second, I was not calling for RunRev to "fix" this. It is clearly Apple's inane drive for marketing a level or privacy and security that is mostly a gigantic lie that is the cause. And thirdly, drivers are a bit different than research apps. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis 503-307-4363 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
I am sure it is possible. I just don't have the PHP/HTML/Javascript/whatever skills to do that. On 11/5/2019 12:02 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote: On this issue, isn't it possible to let a web server detect the OS requesting the download? So the server can then do the picking and send the right version to the requestor? Or maybe the info available to the server about the requesting OS isn't that detailed. Not sure. At least I'm sure I can use a single download link for an app's Mac and Windows installers. Phil Davis On 11/5/19 8:33 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: I'm not saying YOUR experience is invalid. I guess I am just saying we have really really really computer naive customers and Apple has gone and complicated things and it creates a support burden for us that we would not have had to expend resources addressing if Apple had not done this. Apple has, and there is no going back, so it is what it is, but it is really really annoying! :-( On 11/5/2019 11:23 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: But the installers for drivers and the installer you want to use are not different. And what else does anyone have to go on but their experiences, and other people's experiences? I need to tap into that resource! ;-) Bob S On Nov 5, 2019, at 08:18 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: On 11/5/2019 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: First, your assumption that "it's one everyone is experiencing for any installer" is exactly that, an assumption based on your experiences. The vast majority of our customers are computer novices and anything but the simplest of steps can cause them problems. Most do not know what version of macOS they run, nor how to tell what version they are running. Second, I was not calling for RunRev to "fix" this. It is clearly Apple's inane drive for marketing a level or privacy and security that is mostly a gigantic lie that is the cause. And thirdly, drivers are a bit different than research apps. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
On this issue, isn't it possible to let a web server detect the OS requesting the download? So the server can then do the picking and send the right version to the requestor? Or maybe the info available to the server about the requesting OS isn't that detailed. Not sure. At least I'm sure I can use a single download link for an app's Mac and Windows installers. Phil Davis On 11/5/19 8:33 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: I'm not saying YOUR experience is invalid. I guess I am just saying we have really really really computer naive customers and Apple has gone and complicated things and it creates a support burden for us that we would not have had to expend resources addressing if Apple had not done this. Apple has, and there is no going back, so it is what it is, but it is really really annoying! :-( On 11/5/2019 11:23 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: But the installers for drivers and the installer you want to use are not different. And what else does anyone have to go on but their experiences, and other people's experiences? I need to tap into that resource! ;-) Bob S On Nov 5, 2019, at 08:18 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: On 11/5/2019 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: First, your assumption that "it's one everyone is experiencing for any installer" is exactly that, an assumption based on your experiences. The vast majority of our customers are computer novices and anything but the simplest of steps can cause them problems. Most do not know what version of macOS they run, nor how to tell what version they are running. Second, I was not calling for RunRev to "fix" this. It is clearly Apple's inane drive for marketing a level or privacy and security that is mostly a gigantic lie that is the cause. And thirdly, drivers are a bit different than research apps. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis 503-307-4363 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
I'm not saying YOUR experience is invalid. I guess I am just saying we have really really really computer naive customers and Apple has gone and complicated things and it creates a support burden for us that we would not have had to expend resources addressing if Apple had not done this. Apple has, and there is no going back, so it is what it is, but it is really really annoying! :-( On 11/5/2019 11:23 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: But the installers for drivers and the installer you want to use are not different. And what else does anyone have to go on but their experiences, and other people's experiences? I need to tap into that resource! ;-) Bob S On Nov 5, 2019, at 08:18 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: On 11/5/2019 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: First, your assumption that "it's one everyone is experiencing for any installer" is exactly that, an assumption based on your experiences. The vast majority of our customers are computer novices and anything but the simplest of steps can cause them problems. Most do not know what version of macOS they run, nor how to tell what version they are running. Second, I was not calling for RunRev to "fix" this. It is clearly Apple's inane drive for marketing a level or privacy and security that is mostly a gigantic lie that is the cause. And thirdly, drivers are a bit different than research apps. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
But the installers for drivers and the installer you want to use are not different. And what else does anyone have to go on but their experiences, and other people's experiences? I need to tap into that resource! ;-) Bob S > On Nov 5, 2019, at 08:18 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 11/5/2019 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > First, your assumption that "it's one everyone is experiencing for any > installer" is exactly that, an assumption based on your experiences. > > The vast majority of our customers are computer novices and anything but the > simplest of steps can cause them problems. Most do not know what version of > macOS they run, nor how to tell what version they are running. > > Second, I was not calling for RunRev to "fix" this. It is clearly Apple's > inane drive for marketing a level or privacy and security that is mostly a > gigantic lie that is the cause. > > And thirdly, drivers are a bit different than research apps. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
On 11/5/2019 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: First, your assumption that "it's one everyone is experiencing for any installer" is exactly that, an assumption based on your experiences. The vast majority of our customers are computer novices and anything but the simplest of steps can cause them problems. Most do not know what version of macOS they run, nor how to tell what version they are running. Second, I was not calling for RunRev to "fix" this. It is clearly Apple's inane drive for marketing a level or privacy and security that is mostly a gigantic lie that is the cause. And thirdly, drivers are a bit different than research apps. This is not limited to LC. When downloading drivers for MacOS from the Toshiba site, guess what you see? One link for drivers prior to a certain version of the OS, and another for later versions. It may be an annoyance, but it's one everyone is experiencing for any installer. RunRev won't be able to fix this so that we have one unified installer. Bob S On Nov 5, 2019, at 05:15 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: One annoyance from Catalina and Notarization for me as a developer: LiveCode 9.x.x supports macOS 10.9 (Mavericks) through 10.15 (Catalina). For our app built on LC9.x.x, we support those versions of macOS as well. However, a Notarized DMG (one way of addressing Apple's Notarization requirement) will only open on Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave, or Catalina (10.12-10.15). For 10.9, 10.10, and 10.11 a Notarized DMG presents an error and will not open. So now we have to guide out macOS customers to self-select one of two downloadable DMGs - one for earlier versions of macOS and a different one for later versions. In our case, we just do a regular signed app and signed DMG for 10.9 through 10.14 (Mojave) and a notarized DMG (with a signed app) for 10.15 Catalina An, yes, no matter how "clear" we think our guidance is, we have people download the wrong DMG. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
This is not limited to LC. When downloading drivers for MacOS from the Toshiba site, guess what you see? One link for drivers prior to a certain version of the OS, and another for later versions. It may be an annoyance, but it's one everyone is experiencing for any installer. RunRev won't be able to fix this so that we have one unified installer. Bob S > On Nov 5, 2019, at 05:15 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > One annoyance from Catalina and Notarization for me as a developer: > > LiveCode 9.x.x supports macOS 10.9 (Mavericks) through 10.15 (Catalina). For > our app built on LC9.x.x, we support those versions of macOS as well. > However, a Notarized DMG (one way of addressing Apple's Notarization > requirement) will only open on Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave, or Catalina > (10.12-10.15). For 10.9, 10.10, and 10.11 a Notarized DMG presents an error > and will not open. > > So now we have to guide out macOS customers to self-select one of two > downloadable DMGs - one for earlier versions of macOS and a different one for > later versions. In our case, we just do a regular signed app and signed DMG > for 10.9 through 10.14 (Mojave) and a notarized DMG (with a signed app) for > 10.15 Catalina > > An, yes, no matter how "clear" we think our guidance is, we have people > download the wrong DMG. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
One annoyance from Catalina and Notarization for me as a developer: LiveCode 9.x.x supports macOS 10.9 (Mavericks) through 10.15 (Catalina). For our app built on LC9.x.x, we support those versions of macOS as well. However, a Notarized DMG (one way of addressing Apple's Notarization requirement) will only open on Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave, or Catalina (10.12-10.15). For 10.9, 10.10, and 10.11 a Notarized DMG presents an error and will not open. So now we have to guide out macOS customers to self-select one of two downloadable DMGs - one for earlier versions of macOS and a different one for later versions. In our case, we just do a regular signed app and signed DMG for 10.9 through 10.14 (Mojave) and a notarized DMG (with a signed app) for 10.15 Catalina An, yes, no matter how "clear" we think our guidance is, we have people download the wrong DMG. On 11/5/2019 5:01 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode wrote: Hello, I just installed LC Indy 9.5.0. on MacOS 10.15 Catalina I can't start LC Indy. My Mac tells me: "LiveCode Indy 9.5.0 can't be opened, because Apple can't search for malware in this app." This software has to be updated. Probably this was already a question on this list, but I couldn't find the answer, what I have to do. Thank you Tiemo ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
LC is not the only app bringing up this alert. The standard way to open non-notarized apps is to right-click (cntl-click) on the app and select “Open” in the resulting menu. You will then be presented with a dialog asking if you really want to open the app. Once you do this LC will open. This is a once only procedure. James ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
Hello Tiemo, This is shown because you are on Catalina and the app is not notarised. You should be able to add this app to the "exceptions" list by going to the System Settings -> Security and Privacy, and then click "Open Anyway" I am still on Mojave, so have not tested this, but it should work, see more details in: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491 Kind regards, Panos -- On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 12:03, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hello, > > > > I just installed LC Indy 9.5.0. on MacOS 10.15 Catalina > > > > I can't start LC Indy. My Mac tells me: > > "LiveCode Indy 9.5.0 can't be opened, because Apple can't search for > malware > in this app." This software has to be updated. > > > > Probably this was already a question on this list, but I couldn't find the > answer, what I have to do. > > > > Thank you > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
The new recension of MacOS does seem to resemble that island off the coast of California in more ways that just its name: also a bit rocky and hard-going to cultivate anything on its barren slopes. I have certainly had no problems of this sort on MacOS 10.14.6; and I honestly think I'll stay with that version until I am pushed so hard against the wall I have no choice but to upgrade. Richmond. On 5.11.19 12:01, Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode wrote: Hello, I just installed LC Indy 9.5.0. on MacOS 10.15 Catalina I can't start LC Indy. My Mac tells me: "LiveCode Indy 9.5.0 can't be opened, because Apple can't search for malware in this app." This software has to be updated. Probably this was already a question on this list, but I couldn't find the answer, what I have to do. Thank you Tiemo ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Indy 9.5.0. Apple can't search for malware in LC Indy?
Hello, I just installed LC Indy 9.5.0. on MacOS 10.15 Catalina I can't start LC Indy. My Mac tells me: "LiveCode Indy 9.5.0 can't be opened, because Apple can't search for malware in this app." This software has to be updated. Probably this was already a question on this list, but I couldn't find the answer, what I have to do. Thank you Tiemo ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
