Re: gitter

Indeed our split isn't perfect - so there's a list of things we can and cannot do - depending on which engine version is needed to support the changes - this forces a good process (because it forces thought on it). The submodule link is a version dependence - it's just hard to think of it like

Re: gitter

> On 31 Jul 2017, at 6:59 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > >> >> Actually, submodules actually do their job really quite well. They aren't >> ideal, but they do enforce modularity (hence the name ;)). We just need to >> get round to sorting out some

Re: Doing user testing in a risk free way (Re: gitter)

> Monte wrote: > I’m not really sure that A/B tests of the IDE is something we should be > attempting to do at all as we don’t have the resources to do it with the > number of people required to get decent data. +42 ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Doing user testing in a risk free way (Re: gitter)

> On 31 Jul 2017, at 6:56 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > I'm just wondering, should I wait for the A/B test sequences or just throw a > current version at him? Well there’s not much point doing A/B tests unless you have a decent size group to

Re: Doing user testing in a risk free way (Re: gitter)

I don't believe there is anything that is "risk free". HOWEVER, I am looking to set up programming classes throughout the year starting in October, at which point I should have both: 1. Kids with NO programming experience whatsover. 2. Kids with experience in either Visual BASIC and/or C++.

Re: gitter

On 07/29/2017 03:49 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: Actually, submodules actually do their job really quite well. They aren't ideal, but they do enforce modularity (hence the name ;)). We just need to get round to sorting out some tooling (local shell scripts / git hooks) to help

Re: Doing user testing in a risk free way (Re: gitter)

On 7/30/17 3:32 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: On 31 Jul 2017, at 5:09 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: Do you need test subjects or do you need to observe them directly? I have a neighbor who would be ideal. I was thinking I could watch

Re: gitter

On 07/29/2017 03:59 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: I have a thick skin, I can happily ignore such grumblings; I'm not sure that's the proper response to the grumblings -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing

Re: Doing user testing in a risk free way (Re: gitter)

> On 31 Jul 2017, at 5:09 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Do you need test subjects or do you need to observe them directly? I have a > neighbor who would be ideal. I was thinking I could watch him (with my mouth > firmly shut) and take notes

Re: Doing user testing in a risk free way (Re: gitter)

On 7/30/17 12:16 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: **How can all our existing users help with our user testing? Well, the above approach has one further *really* useful aspect. For any licenses which are not marked with a test funnel (or indeed are marked with a dead test funnel) we

Doing user testing in a risk free way (Re: gitter)

On 2017-07-30 01:04, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: I’m actually not sure I see the connection between the ide submodule and the 8.1.6-rc-2. Heh - the connection is indirect, however it is definitely there! **The goal: We want to do A/B testing on LiveCode's 'first run' experience.

Re: gitter

I'm just now getting my head around how to set them up.SourceTree is recursive by default so my builds were fine.Took a little more playing around to set it up so I could contribute to the IDE and also build with my changes.(I had it set up as a separate workspace) On

Re: gitter

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 8:59 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > I'd rather suffer internal grumblings from our team due to having to have an > IDE submodule, than much larger shouts from our users when we make an error > like we did in 8.1.6-rc-2. I

Re: gitter

On 2017-07-30 00:53, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: On 30 Jul 2017, at 8:49 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: However, the IDE submodule is set to stay (despite various discussions about merging it internally - I've always said no, and I'm

Re: gitter

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 8:49 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > However, the IDE submodule is set to stay (despite various discussions about > merging it internally - I've always said no, and I'm glad I have) - indeed, > the fact it is a separate

Re: gitter

On 2017-07-30 00:10, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: Have I mentioned lately how much I hate submodules? Have I mentioned lately how much I hate submodules? ;) Actually, submodules actually do their job really quite well. They aren't ideal, but they do enforce modularity (hence the name

Re: gitter

On 07/29/2017 01:59 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: FWIW I have it on my phone and open on my desktop so I get notifications and respond if I know the answer. Usually it’s “Have you updated submodules?” ;-) Its not just on Gitter that sentence gets uttered a lot - it also occurs

Re: gitter

On 2017-07-29 22:51, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: As we get more contributors gitter will become more active and you will be able to answer many of the questions for each other. There’s little point expecting a great deal of chatter if there’s only half a dozen people outside the

Re: gitter

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 1:01 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 07/29/2017 01:44 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: >> P.S. None of us tend to sit on gitter.io - we can only >> process so many simultaneous inputs - however

Re: gitter

On 2017-07-29 21:00, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: Yeah. That's what I was trying to say. I know - I just thought I'd take the opportunity to be a little more blunt about it since you gave me the hook to do so - i.e. gitter is not a route to get direct tech support from our engineers

Re: gitter

On 07/29/2017 08:38 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: Well Gitter itself is posed as more a technical/open source software dev thing I think. Peter set it up as a more modern form of irc channels where people contributing to the open source project can interact with us and others

Re: gitter

Well Gitter itself is posed as more a technical/open source software dev thing I think. Peter set it up as a more modern form of irc channels where people contributing to the open source project can interact with us and others along those lines. For that it works really well. There can be a