Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
Yes, I use them and so do the people for whom I have installed Linux. My own use is with Fluxbox on Debian. I have six or more depending, and generally start up each app on a new desktop. Fluxbox also allows you to put open apps into tabs on one desktop, which is useful if working on multiple sources of data while writing a document citing them or drawing on them, and I use that when its useful. The other nice thing with Fluxbox is that dragging a window off screen moves it to the next desktop. So since all my applications are on shortcuts I often just open in one desktop and drag. Others, I now install Debian with MATE, that being the closest thing to the last good version of Gnome before the Gnome people lost their senses. MATE is brilliant, and if you have not tried it, do. Never a single question after the first introduction about how to do things in it. It just gets out of the way. I don't like a conventional desktop which is why I use Fluxbox myself, but if people want one or are used to one, MATE is the way to go for them. The first indicator that someone moving from Windows has integrated Linux is that they start using multiple desktops spontaneously. I have set up four, explain how to make more if you want, and encourage them to also do one per app, leaving the mail client and browser open all the time, for instance, and working on documents on another desktop, and that is what they do. I set it up with the windows in the bottom panel in a row, so its easy to glance and see where you are. The thing that makes them do it is when they see that the desktop you temporarily leave stays exactly the same when you leave it and then come back to it, and when they see you don't any longer have to find windows one behind the other. I am careful to make sure they understand how to move a window from one desk to another, tell which is where with the icons. You have to take the time and let people practice, but once they have got it, they wonder how they managed without it. -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
On both Xubuntu and MX Linux (i.e. both using the xfce window manager) I do NOT have a problem with LiveCode popping up on all virtual desktops. Richmond. On 2/5/2018 2:15 am, Warren Samples via use-livecode wrote: On 04/30/2018 11:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm curious: do you folks use them? FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2. Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows as well. I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which OS you're on. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web I recently switched from openSUSE to Antergos, but it's still Linux and still KDE Plasma5 as my DE. Always multiple desktops and like you, a couple dedicated ones and a couple freelance desktops. I have window rules that will send particular app windows to particular desktops regardless of where I am when they are opened. Depending on what the window manager allows, this could be a way to avoid the inconvenience that Mark Wieder mentions. I did have the same kind of issues that Ralph DiMola mentions with some Livecode stuff showing up on all desktops, but it was a long time ago and I can't remember if it was under KDE4 or Gnome 2. I don't see this any more under Linux and KDE. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
On 04/30/2018 11:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm curious: do you folks use them? FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2. Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows as well. I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which OS you're on. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web I recently switched from openSUSE to Antergos, but it's still Linux and still KDE Plasma5 as my DE. Always multiple desktops and like you, a couple dedicated ones and a couple freelance desktops. I have window rules that will send particular app windows to particular desktops regardless of where I am when they are opened. Depending on what the window manager allows, this could be a way to avoid the inconvenience that Mark Wieder mentions. I did have the same kind of issues that Ralph DiMola mentions with some Livecode stuff showing up on all desktops, but it was a long time ago and I can't remember if it was under KDE4 or Gnome 2. I don't see this any more under Linux and KDE. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
Possibly. Although if 'multiple desktops' (whether capitalised or not) IS treated as a feature, then 'multiple desktops' IS singular. If, however, one is counting multiple desktops (I have 4 on my main Linux box) then 'multiple desktops' ARE plural. Of course, this could be a case of splitting hair, or, alternatively, splitting hairs: depending on whether one treats 'hair' as a count noun or as a mass (and, hence, non-count) noun. And I could rabbit (or, possibly, 'hare') on like this for ages. But, as one grows older and one's hair recedes (or one's hairs fall out), this proves increasingly tiring and tiresome. And a Happy Fag-End of May 1, the unemployed persons' holiday, to you. Richmond. On 1/5/2018 11:44 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: It may have been better then to use The "Multiple Desktops" feature is... :-) On May 1, 2018, at 08:31 , Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is (Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it) implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
It may have been better then to use The "Multiple Desktops" feature is... :-) > On May 1, 2018, at 08:31 , Brian Milby via use-livecode > wrote: > >> HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is >> (Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it) >> implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
On 05/01/2018 08:31 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: I only use Linux for testing (in a VM), so have not used them there. I’m more likely to have a couple Linux VMs open at once. The only thing I would caution there is that multiple VMs tend to use huge amounts of computer resources. You have to be very careful when allocating CPU time and memory or the native system will spend all its time swapping back and forth instead of letting you get anything done. I also use multiple desktops all the time on linux. I don't spend enough time on other platforms to need them elsewhere. But I have my main desktop allocated to email and web browser and a second window allocated to LiveCode. The LC desktop is spread across two monitors with one given to the menubar, devolution, tools and the stack I'm working on; and the second monitor used for the script editor, browser, message box. If I try to switch desktops while LC is starting up (getting impatient since the startup takes so long) then some items end up in one desktop and some in the other. That's annoying, and they can (usually) be swapped but normally I find it easier to close and reopen. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
Graham Samuel wrote: > I have another problem, which is another user who is a bit of a > technophobe - would multiples help or not? > > Richard’s example makes me think I should be more adventurous. Working at the edge of our comfort zone is what expands our comfort zone. Or as my acquaintances at the Los Angeles Adventurers' Club like to say, "Adventure begins when you realize you no longer know what to do and may be in danger. Everything before that is just a vacation." :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
I use a Mac with an additional monitor and have been content with that, but lately I have been bitten by the bug in LC which doesn’t allow the multiple monitor setup to reflect the real-world relationship between the screens, so multiple monitors might help. Just upgraded my Windows VM to 10, no call for multiple desktops yet. I have another problem, which is another user who is a bit of a technophobe - would multiples help or not? Richard’s example makes me think I should be more adventurous. Graham Sent from my iPhone > On 1 May 2018, at 16:42, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode > wrote: > > On Win 10 the taskbar icons get scrambled when switching between desktops, > RDT's are unexpectedly focused causing the "switch desktop" key combo to > stop working. The LC tool pallet and a plug-in in pallet mode both appear on > all desktops. I'm not keen on multiple desktops at this point. I've been > using a multiple VMs instead. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > -Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:44 AM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Richard Gaskin > Subject: Informal survey: multiple desktops > > Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm > curious: do you folks use them? > > FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser > in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2. Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad > hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance > of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've > started using multiple desktops on Windows as well. > > I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which > OS you're on. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > > ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Informal survey: multiple desktops
On Win 10 the taskbar icons get scrambled when switching between desktops, RDT's are unexpectedly focused causing the "switch desktop" key combo to stop working. The LC tool pallet and a plug-in in pallet mode both appear on all desktops. I'm not keen on multiple desktops at this point. I've been using a multiple VMs instead. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:44 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Richard Gaskin Subject: Informal survey: multiple desktops Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm curious: do you folks use them? FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2. Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows as well. I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which OS you're on. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
I use them on my Mac all the time. Chrome, Atom, SourceTree, terminals on one and usually switch to another for LiveCode. I also put a compiled version of LC on another desktop to easily switch between production and compiled. Have not started using them on Windows yet, but would anticipate putting LC on its own. I only use Linux for testing (in a VM), so have not used them there. I’m more likely to have a couple Linux VMs open at once. On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:51 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > All the time on Linux and never on Mac, for a very simple reason: > > On my single Mac computer I have 2 socking great monitors (bags of > real-estate), > > and on all my Linux boxes (more than you could shake a stick at) I have > single monitors. > > I much prefer having 2 (or more) monitors so I can see everything at once. > > HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is > (Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it) > implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems. > > I don't use Windows at all beyond a "walk on the wild side" when I help > other people (mainly unsuspecting puypils of mine) sorted out some > small problem on their systems. > > Richmond. > > On 1/5/2018 7:43 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > > Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm > > curious: do you folks use them? > > > > FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web > > browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2. Spaces 3 and 4 tend > > to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like > > having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on > > Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows > > as well. > > > > I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and > > which OS you're on. > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops
All the time on Linux and never on Mac, for a very simple reason: On my single Mac computer I have 2 socking great monitors (bags of real-estate), and on all my Linux boxes (more than you could shake a stick at) I have single monitors. I much prefer having 2 (or more) monitors so I can see everything at once. HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is (Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it) implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems. I don't use Windows at all beyond a "walk on the wild side" when I help other people (mainly unsuspecting puypils of mine) sorted out some small problem on their systems. Richmond. On 1/5/2018 7:43 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm curious: do you folks use them? FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2. Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows as well. I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which OS you're on. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode