LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
I realise this is an old thread, but there has been interest in using cmi5/xAPI as an alternative to SCORM. I would encourage anyone researching this thread to join us in the thread called... ‘Cmi5 eLearning Standard in LiveCode’ Check into the FREE xAPI Cohort, xapicohort.com, and use the tool mentioned below, When2Meet, to let us know when you can join a zoom. It may also be possible to build a SCORM package from LiveCode as a way to publish to a legacy LMS. Sent from my iPad, Brian > On Jan 13, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Brian K. Duck wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to see when we're all available for CMI5 in LiveCode Kickoff via > Zoom. > > Please visit >https://www.when2meet.com/?10704179-Y2apN > to let me know when you're available. > > This url is for a free app called When2Meet that I just read about in > TidBits…. > > > I’ve created a login & password, and you will be prompted to as well, for > THIS EVENT. > > Once you’ve done that, you should be able to drag on the calendar to indicate > in GREEN when you are available, the we can set a time to meet in Zoom. > > I’ve bcc'ed everyone to also get this in your email, and to set it as a > reminder, but it should also appear on the list if things go well... > > Thanks, > Brian Duck ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
their ideas. Peer review provides further learning by having students analyze and criticize others’ work. It is very effective, but needs to be implemented carefully or it won’t work or can be gamed by students. The paper in the link above describes how this is done. Another great learning strategy is the use of games. Here’s a link to a great game demonstrating the “Tragedy of the Commons” effect for fisheries: http://es.earthednet.org/fg-tutorials?q=node/14 <http://es.earthednet.org/fg-tutorials?q=node/14> Unfortunately, some copyright issues began to take a lot of my time, so I abandoned my support of the game. That’s a lot more than discussed at the meeting, but I hope you found it interesting. Best, Bill > On Oct 7, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > > Hi Bill > > Thanks for all the information about LTI etc. I am open to whatever it the > best option for compatibility. I had only read about Tin-Can xAPI.I am > developing an app for higher education and some potential customers said it > had to be based on SCORM to integrate with their LMS. When I looked at how > SCORM worked I realized it would not work at all with the type of > application I am developing. Further searches lead to me finding Tin-Can > and I realized that was the way for me to go. > > Bottom line is I want to be able to integrate with the LMS's used by > colleges and universities so If LTI is the best way to do that I will jump > on the bandwagon. > > I just noticed a post about a meeting on Oct 6th to discuss this: > > *LiveCode to Education Industry API- Community project* > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=28034&p=147152#p147152 > > I noticed it too late to attend but I want to learn more about what happened > there. > > Martin Koob > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4709222.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Hi Bill Thanks for all the information about LTI etc. I am open to whatever it the best option for compatibility. I had only read about Tin-Can xAPI.I am developing an app for higher education and some potential customers said it had to be based on SCORM to integrate with their LMS. When I looked at how SCORM worked I realized it would not work at all with the type of application I am developing. Further searches lead to me finding Tin-Can and I realized that was the way for me to go. Bottom line is I want to be able to integrate with the LMS's used by colleges and universities so If LTI is the best way to do that I will jump on the bandwagon. I just noticed a post about a meeting on Oct 6th to discuss this: *LiveCode to Education Industry API- Community project* http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=28034&p=147152#p147152 I noticed it too late to attend but I want to learn more about what happened there. Martin Koob -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4709222.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
By the way, I just fully read the link I posted in my previous message and it is a long, but very complete discussion of the various interfaces to learning system, targeted just right at our audience. Check it out if you are interested in this topic. Bill http://www.laceproject.eu/learning-analytics-review/files/2016/08/LACE-review07_xapi-caliper.pdf <http://www.laceproject.eu/learning-analytics-review/files/2016/08/LACE-review07_xapi-caliper.pdf> <http://www.laceproject.eu/learning-analytics-review/files/2016/08/LACE-review07_xapi-caliper.pdf <http://www.laceproject.eu/learning-analytics-review/files/2016/08/LACE-review07_xapi-caliper.pdf>> > On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:53 PM, William Prothero > wrote: > > Folks: > Here’s some more info I found on interfaces to LMS. I queried the director (a > friend) of the Office of Instructional Improvement at the University of > California, Santa Barbara and got this response: > > "Hey, good to hear from you. Sorry for the delayed response, but yesterday > was the first day of classes for fall. I also had to do a bit of research. > In terms of interoperability with LMS’s the best option, I think, is for the > Livecode guys to focus on the LTI 2 standards and APIs for defining an LTI 2 > content publisher and LTI 2 content consumer. That is the interoperability > piece. xAPI is a set of API’s for collecting and storing user interaction > data for later analysis, e.g. learning analytics. It is a standard proposed > by ADL. It is kind of competing in that space with Caliper with is being > developed by IMS global, and which is intended to work with the LTI 2 > standard which IMS Global is also developing. I would think that it would be > better to stick with the whole IMS Global suite of interoperability standards > and analytics collection standards than trying to knit LTI 2 and xAPI, but > that’s just me. The UC system has been very involved with development of > both standards working with IMS Global for the past three years. Hope that > helps.” > > A useful Link: > http://www.laceproject.eu/learning-analytics-review/files/2016/08/LACE-review07_xapi-caliper.pdf > > <http://www.laceproject.eu/learning-analytics-review/files/2016/08/LACE-review07_xapi-caliper.pdf> > > Best, > Bill > >> On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Martin Koob wrote: >> >> Thanks for the link to LTI. I am interested in a technology that could >> integrate my LiveCode app into LMS's. >> >> I think that Tin-Can API or the ExperienceAPI (xAPI) were also developed as >> a successor to SCORM to address its shortcomings. >> https://experienceapi.com/history/ >> >> They list a number of adopters including BlackBoard and Moodle >> >> http://experienceapi.com/adopters/ >> >> Have you heard of this? Would this api accomplish what you are trying to >> do? >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708773.html >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Folks: Here’s some more info I found on interfaces to LMS. I queried the director (a friend) of the Office of Instructional Improvement at the University of California, Santa Barbara and got this response: "Hey, good to hear from you. Sorry for the delayed response, but yesterday was the first day of classes for fall. I also had to do a bit of research. In terms of interoperability with LMS’s the best option, I think, is for the Livecode guys to focus on the LTI 2 standards and APIs for defining an LTI 2 content publisher and LTI 2 content consumer. That is the interoperability piece. xAPI is a set of API’s for collecting and storing user interaction data for later analysis, e.g. learning analytics. It is a standard proposed by ADL. It is kind of competing in that space with Caliper with is being developed by IMS global, and which is intended to work with the LTI 2 standard which IMS Global is also developing. I would think that it would be better to stick with the whole IMS Global suite of interoperability standards and analytics collection standards than trying to knit LTI 2 and xAPI, but that’s just me. The UC system has been very involved with development of both standards working with IMS Global for the past three years. Hope that helps.” A useful Link: http://www.laceproject.eu/learning-analytics-review/files/2016/08/LACE-review07_xapi-caliper.pdf <http://www.laceproject.eu/learning-analytics-review/files/2016/08/LACE-review07_xapi-caliper.pdf> Best, Bill > On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > > Thanks for the link to LTI. I am interested in a technology that could > integrate my LiveCode app into LMS's. > > I think that Tin-Can API or the ExperienceAPI (xAPI) were also developed as > a successor to SCORM to address its shortcomings. > https://experienceapi.com/history/ > > They list a number of adopters including BlackBoard and Moodle > > http://experienceapi.com/adopters/ > > Have you heard of this? Would this api accomplish what you are trying to > do? > > Martin > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708773.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Martin: Just a thought. Since Todd Fabacher is in a group working on LTI (he called it LIT, but I think he meant LTI), and he will make the code open source, I think, for me anyway, it’s best to wait for the result of their efforts. LTI has a pretty wide capability. SCORM came about and was made popular by the US Defense dept. making it required for folks wanting to sell them training modules for their purposes. But, for higher ed, SCORM enforces an out-dated learning model that would not be adequate for more modern teaching pedagogies. Best, Bill > On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > > Thanks for the link to LTI. I am interested in a technology that could > integrate my LiveCode app into LMS's. > > I think that Tin-Can API or the ExperienceAPI (xAPI) were also developed as > a successor to SCORM to address its shortcomings. > https://experienceapi.com/history/ > > They list a number of adopters including BlackBoard and Moodle > > http://experienceapi.com/adopters/ > > Have you heard of this? Would this api accomplish what you are trying to > do? > > Martin > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708773.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Martin: Just a thought. Since Todd Fabacher is in a group working on LTI (he called it LIT, but I think he meant LTI), and he will make the code open source, I think, for me anyway, it’s best to wait for the result of their efforts. LTI has a pretty wide capability. SCORM came about and was made popular by the US Defense dept. making it required for folks wanting to sell them training modules for their purposes. But, for higher ed, SCORM enforces an out-dated learning model that would not be adequate for more modern teaching pedagogies. Best, Bill > On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > > Thanks for the link to LTI. I am interested in a technology that could > integrate my LiveCode app into LMS's. > > I think that Tin-Can API or the ExperienceAPI (xAPI) were also developed as > a successor to SCORM to address its shortcomings. > https://experienceapi.com/history/ > > They list a number of adopters including BlackBoard and Moodle > > http://experienceapi.com/adopters/ > > Have you heard of this? Would this api accomplish what you are trying to > do? > > Martin > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708773.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Martin, I hadn't heard about xAPI. I've really just dabbled in this subject. I know that my campus uses a highly customized version of Moodle, so it would be compatible with xAPI. Our local community college is changing over to Canvas after using Moodle, and before that, Blackboard. An organization I'm involved with that distributes higher Ed learning resources (http://serc.carleton.edu/index.html) uses a protocol called "Common Cartridge". The api needs to allow for stand-alone app integration, for my purposes. When I look at the docs for these api's, my eyes roll back in my head and I realize it would be a major project for me to implement this interface for my work. I give my projects away for free, so putting that kind of investment into the LMS api doesn't make sense for me. However, that said, I am interested and would be interested in using and/or testing, and following progress with those who might develop a livecode framework. One thing I do know is that SCORM is inadequate for higher Ed. It forces a specific learning model that is outdated. I will see if I can get some information from our Moodle IT guys at UCSB. Best, Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > > Thanks for the link to LTI. I am interested in a technology that could > integrate my LiveCode app into LMS's. > > I think that Tin-Can API or the ExperienceAPI (xAPI) were also developed as > a successor to SCORM to address its shortcomings. > https://experienceapi.com/history/ > > They list a number of adopters including BlackBoard and Moodle > > http://experienceapi.com/adopters/ > > Have you heard of this? Would this api accomplish what you are trying to > do? > > Martin > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708773.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Thanks for the link to LTI. I am interested in a technology that could integrate my LiveCode app into LMS's. I think that Tin-Can API or the ExperienceAPI (xAPI) were also developed as a successor to SCORM to address its shortcomings. https://experienceapi.com/history/ They list a number of adopters including BlackBoard and Moodle http://experienceapi.com/adopters/ Have you heard of this? Would this api accomplish what you are trying to do? Martin -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708773.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Martin: It’s actually LTI here is a link: http://www.imsglobal.org/activity/learning-tools-interoperability <http://www.imsglobal.org/activity/learning-tools-interoperability> There is another protocol that is getting support in the US called “Common Cartridge”. Link: https://www.imsglobal.org/cc/ccfaqs.html#37 <https://www.imsglobal.org/cc/ccfaqs.html#37> Common cartridge seems to have been built in response to the shortcomings of SCORM. SCORM is most useful for training, while Common Cartridge and LTI are more oriented toward higher ed, with more features necessary for assessment of student learning. If an investment is to be made in developing software to interface with an LMS, I hope they can interface with a variety of popular platforms, like Moodle, Blackboard, Canvas, and others I haven’t come across. Best, Bill > On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > > Oh, One more question. > > What is LIT? > > Thanks. > > Martin Koob > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708681.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Oh, One more question. What is LIT? Thanks. Martin Koob -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708681.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
I am interested integrating my app with an LMS but felt there were too many limitations with SCORM. I then found the Tin Can API. http://tincanapi.com/scorm-vs-the-tin-can-api/ Could this be another approach to integrating LiveCode and an LMS? Martin Koob -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-interface-to-SCORM-LIT-tp4708670p4708680.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Todd, There's another LMS interface gaining some use, called "Common Cartridge". It addresses shortcomings that SCORM has for assessment of learning and will probably displace SCORM in higher Ed. https://www.imsglobal.org/cc/ccfaqs.html#37 Best, Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Earthednet-wp wrote: > > Todd, > Fabulous! It will be a great resource for higher Ed developers. I'll see what > I can do to test it at UCSB when it is available. > Best, > Bill > > William Prothero > http://es.earthednet.org > >> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:02 PM, Todd Fabacher wrote: >> >> Hello Educators, >> >> Will Jamieson, and the DP teem are deep into creating an online and App >> integrated LMS in LiveCode. We are at the stage of creating a SCORM and >> LIT interface to our App. I see that several people have posted on the >> subject and was wondering if anyone has finished, made any progress or have >> suggestions that would help us out. >> >> We would appreciate any help in getting in using LiveCode with SCORM /LIT. >> One potential client is focused on full LIT compatibility. We of course >> will make the SCORM /LIT code Open Source for all educators. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Todd, Will and DP Education Team >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Todd, Fabulous! It will be a great resource for higher Ed developers. I'll see what I can do to test it at UCSB when it is available. Best, Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:02 PM, Todd Fabacher wrote: > > Hello Educators, > > Will Jamieson, and the DP teem are deep into creating an online and App > integrated LMS in LiveCode. We are at the stage of creating a SCORM and > LIT interface to our App. I see that several people have posted on the > subject and was wondering if anyone has finished, made any progress or have > suggestions that would help us out. > > We would appreciate any help in getting in using LiveCode with SCORM /LIT. > One potential client is focused on full LIT compatibility. We of course > will make the SCORM /LIT code Open Source for all educators. > > Thanks, > > Todd, Will and DP Education Team > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
LiveCode interface to SCORM /LIT
Hello Educators, Will Jamieson, and the DP teem are deep into creating an online and App integrated LMS in LiveCode. We are at the stage of creating a SCORM and LIT interface to our App. I see that several people have posted on the subject and was wondering if anyone has finished, made any progress or have suggestions that would help us out. We would appreciate any help in getting in using LiveCode with SCORM /LIT. One potential client is focused on full LIT compatibility. We of course will make the SCORM /LIT code Open Source for all educators. Thanks, Todd, Will and DP Education Team ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
