THIS has to be one of the bugs we address ASAP.
Thanks Curry for doing the leg work on this one.
I hope the team is paying attention to this one.
This is one of the things that a new user has no hope of being aware of.
Thanks,
Tom
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use-livecode
I was having problems with SE on Windows randomly causing crashes just by
clicking in the text are of SE.
When I switched off all the bling, I never had another crash like that. I
plan to slowly re-introduce the bling to see if I can identify which part
causes the crashes.
Regards, Bernard
Resurrecting this thread from September because ...
now I've had a chance to go through my old bug reports,
and found the one for this Script Editor slowdown!
(It said "Pending Followup" so I just followed up on it.)
For the people here that still see bad IDE/SE performance
(and there were
I could have sired a child who was just now graduating high school! :-)
Bob S
> On Oct 3, 2021, at 09:16 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries
>
> LOL.
On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
- a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries
LOL. That request is now some 17 years old.
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1712
--
Mark Wieder
ahsoftw...@gmail.com
They're only used for uploading or editing stacks that you want to
share. (Oh, now that I think about it, maybe also to rate a stack from
someone else).
I thought about just removing those buttons from the plugin (IMHO, the
upload/edit functions are fine as they are), but then I thought
This is really nice and fast, Alex. Thanks again for doing this as I’ve always
felt that LC’s Sample Stacks is a great and often overlooked resource save for
it’s interface. I note that "Log In" and "Sign Up" do not work. Is there any
value in those items?
Roger
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05
Ah, it worked this time. I thought one might need your plugin to find your
plugin….
Thanks,
Roger
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Hmmm ... not sure why.
>
> Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode
>
> Or: start the IDE,
Hmmm ... not sure why.
Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode
Or: start the IDE, and in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is
"Sample Stacks".
Then
- select "View as: List"
- select "All" on left hand side
- select "Sort by: Date"
- then reverse order
There’s an old joke about a tourist in Maine asking a local for directions and
an old farmer says “You can’t get theya from hereya”.
Roger
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you
>
This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you
described.
Roger
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
>
> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>>
On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:
Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of
content in there but it has the issues you list.
So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for
On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:
Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in
there but it has the issues you list.
Kind regards,
Kevin
Some of these issues can easily be tackled as a community effort /
project - but it's not clear
Lagi:
> My Laptop is SSD and still the problems.
> I have the problems with or without defender on.
> I don't use third party antivirus anymore
That's 2 out of 4 common steps!
Have you disabled the SE "bling" options?
Bling is slang for flashy expensive trinkets,
such as Live Errors and Auto
Hi Lagi
I just went back and repeated my steps from a couple of days ago.
New start for IDE, new stack, pasted in the same 8,000 lines as a comment.
And this time there was no slow down. So it does look like any such
problems are less predictable than my initial test suggested. I toggled on
then
Hi Bernard,
I didn't make myself clear - it can work for hours with no slowdown at
13,000 lines on an older computer there is just no pattern.
Lagi
On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 18:54, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script
One thing to check is whether you are using a fixed width font, and if not
whether you have the same performance issue with the SE when using one.
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021, 18:52 Bernard Devlin via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script Editor
I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script Editor on Windows (just 1 large
block comment). On typing chars take a couple of seconds to appear once
there is that much text. Cut it down to 800 lines and it's fine.
With 8000 lines switch off "live errors" and the slow typing issue is gone.
I've
I also have seen the autocomplete stop and start working, and that on a Mac. It
may have something to do with the length of the script. I have also seen the
extreme slowdown issue on Windows script editor and also in the performance.
Most of the performance hit is in the frequent saves I
Hi Curry,
My Laptop is SSD and still the problems. , I have the problems with or
without defender on.I don't use third party antivirus anymore
as (especially with norton that customers still bloody buy) you get lots
of eyecandy bloat and headaches - the best antivirus i have is
the one between
gt; Von: use-livecode Im Auftrag
> von Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. September 2021 14:14
> > An: Andre Garzia via use-livecode
> > Cc: Ben Rubinstein
> > Betreff: Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community
> Edition)
&
Hi Ben,
I did some testing using the CPU% in the task manager - i was trying to do
some more before sending in my results.
It looks like if it has been running for some time but the time is not
"quantified" at the moment as I have not been working
on my project much these last few months.
When I
I don't use 6.7 anymore, but no, they do not. At least not to the degree they
do now.
Bob S
> On Sep 8, 2021, at 05:13 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows
> (Andre, Lagi, Bob), could if possible confirm
Ben:
> It would be good to understand if this has always been an issue,
> or whether it came in with the switch to LC7, as we know
> some other Windows-specific speed issues did.
Not "it". Instead a combination:
1. LC 7 Engine Performance issues.
2. New Windows antivirus trends affecting
-livecode
Cc: Ben Rubinstein
Betreff: Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)
May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows
(Andre, Lagi, Bob), could if possible confirm whether they find the same
applies using LC 6.7?
It would be good
via use-livecode
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. September 2021 14:14
An: Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Cc: Ben Rubinstein
Betreff: Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)
May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows
(Andre, Lagi, Bob), could
May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows
(Andre, Lagi, Bob), could if possible confirm whether they find the same
applies using LC 6.7?
It would be good to understand if this has always been an issue, or whether it
came in with the switch to LC7, as we know
I mean the script editor mostly but also the rest of the ide has a bit of jank.
Laying out interfaces on Windows has been worse than doing it on a Mac. The
worse offender is the script editor though.
> On 7 Sep 2021, at 23:28, Scott Morrow via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Andre, when you say
Andre, when you say “so bad” do you mean the script editor or… ?
--
Scott Morrow
> On Sep 7, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> to be honest, the IDE on Windows has been so bad for me that it caused me to
> switch back to a mac...
t;>>
> >>>> Lagi
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> >>>&g
Yes, and this is really disconcerting. Not sure how many Mac vs. PC devs there
are for LC, but I suspect it's weighed heavily towards Mac. I think in
retrospect, it may have been better to retain UTF-8 as an option, that is be
able to select unicode or not in an app. But I suspect that would be
t;> longer trial a shot at some point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
&
on behalf of Bernard
Devlin via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 7:08:09 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bernard Devlin
Subject: Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)
Without knowing anything other than "the IDE is like treacle" I loaded
vari
Without knowing anything other than "the IDE is like treacle" I loaded
various stacks in Windows to see what the complaint could possibly be about.
8 seconds for IDE to start - no treacle on opening stacks
8 seconds to open Dictionary - no treacle on searching Dictionary (given
it's loading 1000
LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>>>>
>>>> On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
>>>> use-livecode" >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>True, true.
>>>>
>&
It's worse than the unicode text issue. Saving stacks is from my setup 7 to 8
times slower in Windows than on a Mac, and I have tried numerous Windows
configurations from bare metal to VMWare servers running on a robust host. In
discussions in the past, it seems there isn't a lot Livecode can
Folks,
Thank you for all your input on this subject. I think everyone has now had an
opportunity to express opinions, discuss, and understand the changes. As Kevin
has said previously, if you have constructive ideas on how to improve our new
model, please do send them to him direct. Naturally
On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:13 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Another company's software I used for visual Foxpro and Delphi over the
> years was
>
> https://www.chilkatsoft.com/
>
> Look at all the languages they support and livecode isn't on there
Actually their link is not correct - press on the extras icon - Monkeybread
does some awesome addons
and keeps them upto date.
Some are included put some go way past both the builtin XOJO and LC
"widgets"
Another company's software I used for visual Foxpro and Delphi over the
years was
Actually I wasn't particularly addressing you. For one thing, I'll wager
you've got hundreds of posts on the Forum.
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:09 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> My biggest "whine" is not the ending of the open source initiative - it's
>
Folks:
I’ve been following this thread and have a few thoughts I decided to share.
Interestingly, I don’t see Android support for XOJO. Hmm….
In my case (I have a Commercial license), I am really happy that version 10 of
LC will be improving the web software. I’ve been thinking about diving
On 06/09/2021 19:07, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:
The biggest error livecode has made all these years is not creating a
"working" storefront that doesn't look like it has been totally given up on.
Not sure that's the "biggest" - but yes, I agree it looks unloved.
Look at the addons
Hi Bernard,
I could be called one of the whiners but I have paid my indy licence since
the kickstarter and the business Upgrade (until a year ago - Incase I
needed it - I didnt).
My biggest "whine" is not the ending of the open source initiative - it's
the fact that OUR biggest competitors (XOJO
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:08 PM Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> We have dabbled with a number of low cost /entry level offerings in the
> past. There used to be a starter kit that allowed only a certain number of
> lines of code per object. We had
> On Sep 6, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> I’m happy paying for my license because I can see the value LC provides me,
> and how my money directly affects their ability to output quality stuff. I
> love FOSS, but I’d rather have a healthy LC Ltd around with the
Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in
there but it has the issues you list.
Kind regards,
Kevin
Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself
On 06/09/2021, 14:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via
51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
> > > > use-livecode" > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > True, true.
> > > >
> > > > There could be a small group of prog
In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample
Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ...
It has:
- no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples'
- it has no support for script-only stacks, which is surely the way most
libraries will be done
+1 Yes, speculation is fun, but probably not very useful :-)
On 06/09/2021 12:20, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:
Let’s take a step back for a second and realise as a community we lack many
things that other programming language communities have. We do have a very
healthy mailing
+1
> Am 06.09.2021 um 13:20 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode
> :
>
> Don’t know how many people here remember that they tried that approach with
> Dreamcard. I really like it, but in the end it didn’t work for the company. I
> see many members here in the list saying “what should be
Don’t know how many people here remember that they tried that approach with
Dreamcard. I really like it, but in the end it didn’t work for the company. I
see many members here in the list saying “what should be done”, “what would
have worked”, and I wanted to remember every one that while
Let’s get this conundrum worked out:
1. If I have Mac or Windows machine
2. If I download “Livecode 9.6.4 Standard ”
3. And I pay $300.00 for an annual license
4. I can build for Desktop for Windows, Linux, iOS iPhone, Android
5. Minus Premium features
6. For one year + plus the upgrades that
I must admit, that i totally agree with you.
> Am 05.09.2021 um 17:35 schrieb Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
> :
>
> .
>
> Largest user demographic? Free-loaders who contributed no money but plenty
> of baseless whining?
>
> So many protest poverty but I'm 100% certain they spend more
Over on the Forum I've seen several of the whiners criticising the lifetime
licenses - people who have paid a tiny fraction of what we've paid (if
they've paid anything at all)! I suspect their baseless criticisms have
cost more than any of the whiners have paid in license fees. If I ran the
Hi Dan,
So you want the company to break more promises, even to the lifetimers?
A lot of the lifetimers have spent a lot of money on licenses before
deciding to invest in lifetime licenses. I don’t think you want to be
ticking off what is probably the company's most loyal base.
It’s a recipe
On the flip side, if there's only a small demographic then the loss of that
revenue would be minimal and the company would retain its honorable reputation.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 5, 2021 8:57:33 AM
I'm sure Kevin etc. doesn't share my view on this. But here it is. Get your
popcorn.
On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 2:56 PM Dan Brown via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> It can't be any more harmful than abruptly pulling the rug from under the
> feet of your largest user
> I'd also get rid of any existing lifetime
> and lock in licenses (sorry, time to clean house)
That would clean house all right! Hand grenade style.
We'd be getting to the point of serious self-harm.
It can't be any more harmful than abruptly pulling the rug from under the
feet of your
Worse still...
Dan:
> Introduce breaking changes when it's necessary
> to move the language forward
We tried "cut off the old hair" memes already, remember?
I would argue that retaining legacy functionality and behaviours whilst
trying to modernise or improve a language introduces bugs and
Hi Folks,
This seems headed for trouble again if we're not careful.
We must avoid repeating the same history:
1. Added work for LC Ltd without compensation*
2. Buggy struggling main product due to #1
3. Overcomplicating things
4. Burdening those who pay with the extra expense
5. *Added work
Dreamweaver, RevMedia . . . absolutely no need to do any thinking
whatsoever . . . it has all happened before.
On 5.09.21 10:42, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote:
Not sure how this would work - but what if only licensed versions of LC could
produce and run distributable/shareable stacks while
There will always be a subset of people that will circumvent paying for
software. I'm not convinced an endless battle trying to prevent misuse is
worth the cost of hampering the onboarding experience for new customers.
Unless you've cornered the market you really can't afford to be user
hostile.
Not sure how this would work - but what if only licensed versions of LC could
produce and run distributable/shareable stacks while the free version could
only run stacks produced by that particular instance of the app?
On 5/9/21, 3:57 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay via
You wouldn't necessarily even need that much. Tell them to install the free
version and open your stack from the File menu. It isn't an app but they'd
have all the capabilities.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September
On 04/09/2021 15:36, David Bovill via use-livecode wrote:
So the question here is why not do the same here - keep a free-to-develop
“trial version” without the compilation framework and tools. I’m curious to the
reasoning. The cynic in me would say that the assumption is that there are too
t; > > >
> > > > On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
> > > > use-livecode" > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > True, true.
> > > >
> > > >
a civilian to install a
> > > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
> > > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I
> > would
> > > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an option.
> >
would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
> > > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any
> other
> > > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter.
> I
> > would
> > > not dismiss this out-o
In one word: DreamCard! :D
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Op 2-9-2021 om 15:49 schreef
rvices
> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
> > Sent: Thursda
-Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kri
ember 02, 2021 10:31 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free
non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can j
gt; > > True, true.
> > >
> > > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack
> around
> > > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
> > > programming IDE and explain how to run the st
e a non-starter. I
> would
> > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an option.
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >
> >
> >
ev.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > True, true.
> >> >
> >> > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack
> around
> >> > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
> >> >
IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
> > > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I
> > would
> > > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an
> option.
> > >
> > > Ralph DiM
True, true.
>> >
>> > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack around
>> > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
>> > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
>> > s
h DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> > Behalf Of Kevi
-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non
Kevin,
Keeping a short trial gives the impression of a lack of confidence in the
platforms ability to prove and provide its value.
a 90 day trial would allow people to really dive in, to start on their
project, and help to ensure that decisions are not rushed.
I just can't see how a short trial
I came to Livecode from lightweight website hackery - cobbling together HTML &
CSS as a non-coder (using W3schools guidance for every live of javascript). I
was (and still am) relieved by the higher-level English-like language of
Livecode.
None of the (dozens of) utilities I’ve created for my
A web only version however that allowed you to learn and experiment with the
language and develop free and open source server side code would not suffer
this limitation. You would not be able to use that to build apps.
There are options to retain open source community versions that do not
That’s an interesting idea.
I’m wondering if a bit of terminology is helpful here - there seem to be two
distinct things that have been put together previously - community and open
source.
The needs of the two are not always aligned - especially with LiveCode where an
easy to use well
ervices
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Kevin Mille
runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a fr
: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free non-app
building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just
Sounds like a very cool idea to me, but I’m sure it’s complicated! I trust LC
to do what’s best for its future.
Roger
> On Sep 2, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Keith Martin via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> I think this is (potentially) an excellent idea. Running stacks is more
> important in education
Everyone who needs to run an app can download an old installer to run (and
build) it right now. There will always be a subset of people looking to
game a given system but thinking in the positive, a non committal download
that doesn't allow builds is a great way to reduce friction
On Thu, Sep 2,
I think this is (potentially) an excellent idea. Running stacks is more
important in education use than building standalones, and the knowledge that a
standalone CAN be made by simply ’trading up’ to a paid-for version of LC might
be an interesting sell. But I would be surprised if this sort of
Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free non-app
building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just download that.
Kind regards,
Kevin
Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself
On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode
This is a good idea. I sometimes use the IDE to do a quickie text
manipulation task. A couple of buttons and some text file/db processing and
BOOM! It's done in the fraction of the time of other languages. I have now
done some text chunk coding that highlights many of LCs features. I can now
buy a
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