Re: End of U3?

2007-05-14 Thread Chipp Walters
On 5/13/07, Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your experience with portableapps? While I know that question wasn't directed at me, I thought I'd chime in with an answer. I actually found the U3 spec, device and organization difficult to work with. I started a dialog with them

[ANN] Altuit VueTools available...

2007-05-14 Thread Chipp Walters
While this isn't something you all will rush to purchase, I thought I'd post an announcement of it here. Altuit VueTools are a set of Python scripts and programs which are used to model 3D objects using e-on software's Vue6-Infinite 3D application. Rev is used in this product to create the

Re: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...

2007-05-14 Thread Chipp Walters
OOPS forgot to mention the URL: www.vuetoolbar.com On 5/14/07, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this isn't something you all will rush to purchase, I thought I'd post an announcement of it here. Altuit VueTools are a set of Python scripts and programs which are used to model 3D

Strange crash in 2.8

2007-05-14 Thread xavier . bury
Hi all, I have an extremely weird crash situation. I created a stack that is ultra simple (just a stack script supposed to run at launch after the stack is compiled for windows.). If i compile the stack, the IDE crashes and the stack is no longuer openeable. If i open it the IDE just crashes.

Re: Funny characters in email addresses

2007-05-14 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Sarah, Is it possible that the address with the apostrophe is in unicode? Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at

Re: classic mac apps in 2.8

2007-05-14 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Jeff, You can develop the stack in Rev 2.8 and save it in 2.4 levacy format before opening it in Rev 2.6. You might have to make adjustments in Rev 2.6, because some newer features are not available in older versions. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software

Re: End of U3?

2007-05-14 Thread Mark Wieder
Judy- Sunday, May 13, 2007, 10:19:08 PM, you wrote: Hence, I'd like for them to be able to d/l the FileMaker demo and put together a simple database or two. I'm not aware of a u3 build of Filemaker. Maybe I've missed an announcement. But if not, then u3 ain't gonna help you and will just take

Re: Strange crash in 2.8

2007-05-14 Thread Shao Sean
2.8.1 is still in testing and use a different serial number, ask Bill nicely and he could probably give you one :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your

Re: Strange crash in 2.8

2007-05-14 Thread xavier . bury
That explains that problem ;) Thanks Sean! Thanks also to Mark W. for his help with Rev crashing - it was quiting correctly due to a quit command after the openstack script finished - another problem between the keyboard and the chair =!) Regards, Xav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 14/05/2007

'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bernard Devlin
The 2.7.5 Community Beta was launched with much fanfare. Runrev was going to be doing things in a new way. We worked with Bill to immediately reinvigorate expectations on quality: * Respond meaningfully to community concerns through official Revolution venues like the Revolution Forums

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Heather Nagey
Dear Bernard, I'm sorry you are experiencing frustration. We are fully committed to the path outlined for the 2.7.5/2.8.1/2.9 release series. I've looked at the bug you are referring to, and see that it has been seen and confirmed by Marcus. Evidently it could not be fixed for 2.8.1,

Re: ANN] Revolution StandardLib 1.0b1 Posted

2007-05-14 Thread Graham Samuel
Just to say at this stage that I find this whole effort most welcome. Of course, despite Ken's caveats, we must all be itching to suggest additions to the library (file handling, tables and printing would be on my list). I can see that the group has to think very carefully about which

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Viktoras Didziulis
Something is wrong with Bills e-mail account (server issue?..). When I tried resending my feedback (top 5) on beta, I received mail not delivered in a few days again for both mailboxes... All produced same error: 451 Could not complete sender verify callout (in reply to RCPT TO command) But

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Viktoras Didziulis
Well, this explains the problem: unfortunately, sender address verification cannot simply be turned on for all email - you are likely to lose legitimate mail from mis-configured systems. You almost certainly will have to set up white lists for specific addresses, or even for entire domains.

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bernard Devlin
Hi Heather, I emailed Bill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) about this on 28th April, specifically in response to him asking for our top 5 outstanding bug issues in 2.8.1. A few days later someone pointed out on the list that their email to Bill bounced. Mine had not bounced, and I was not

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bernard Devlin
Apologies to Heather. I debated with myself about whether or not I should respond to her directly or via the list. I am sure the list in general is not particularly interested in my bug issues (although if bug 3196 is fixed, it offers lots of potential), but I am also fearful that the

Re: Urgently!!!! How can I use runrev 2.5.1 send or receive Data or File by Bluetooth or Pop-port USB from Mobile Phone to my computer?

2007-05-14 Thread supote songthammawat
I can do app on mobile. So data transfer and flow control on mobile is no problem for me. Thank you Sarah: I would like to know if it's possible for someone to do an external to make RunRev (any version) able to use bluetooth/usb to exchange data with mobile? The link from Ian is about config

Re: A challenge: adding months to a date?

2007-05-14 Thread David Bovill
Thanks everyone! And Ken - you've made my day by making me feel so stupid :) Seriously thanks for the input. And in the mean time I've learned a lot about the quirks of convert - tip is to ensure the time is 2am On 13/05/07, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:18:25

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bill Marriott
Bernard, My apologies for not giving you a direct response to your email of two weeks ago yet. In an announcement to beta test members, I requested from the community their top 5 bugs. This resulted in SCORES of responses from a beta community of nearly 600 members. For each email sent to me,

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bill Marriott
Hm. I would think politeness would have been writing me to check on things before making broad generalizations to the whole use-list? Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Apologies to Heather. I debated with myself about whether or not I should respond

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bill Marriott
Bernard, I do have to agree with you that the beta forum is anemic. Not a lot of end users seem to use it, it might be helpful if they did. Most of the action seems to be on the email lists and in BugZilla itself. ... which is fine. I'd rather have the issues reported in RQCC than to be

Re: A challenge: adding months to a date?

2007-05-14 Thread David Bovill
Does anyone know exactly what the convert is doing with the times? I modified Kens code so it also returns the best guess date as well as working out the month and year - that is if there is no exact match it return s the last day of that month And the Unit test returns this: Thu, 28 Feb

Re: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...

2007-05-14 Thread David Bovill
Chipp looks great! I took a look at the videos, and understand I thinks how Rev can be used to manage and tailor dynamically the python scripts - but there are some thigs I don't get? It looks from the video like there is more interaction between the manager and Vue... you choose a bevel tool

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread David Bovill
On 13/05/07, Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Brenstein wrote: Another example: scientific applications where users can enter their own functions for analyzing, processing, or displaying some data. Given how few scientists also have Rev experience, is it necessary that the

RE: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...

2007-05-14 Thread Lynn Fredricks
OOPS forgot to mention the URL: www.vuetoolbar.com Chipp's 3D work is very polished and professional, you should all check it out! Vue is an awesome 3D product (I have a render rendering in the background at this very moment). I have a long time relationship with e-on (my company Proactive

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread Martin Blackman
I'm working on such an app for a particular engineering niche market (just happens to correspond to my day job), perhaps it will be adaptable in future to other uses. I'm taking care of the branching and looping within my code and 'doing' one script line at a time. It still runs pretty fast.

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread Martin Blackman
windows only at this stage.. There's an early public beta at www.xtrados.com if you're interested, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bernard Devlin
Bill, I refer you to your email of 20th October 2006: Some of you will say, Bill it would be much more productive if you filed all this in Bugzilla. Well, I'm all for contributing to the community. But it takes time and effort to file a decent bug report. You need to have something

Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?

2007-05-14 Thread Ben Rubinstein
Has anybody on this list attempted to use the current versions of Rev (in fact any version since 2.7.2) to access a SQL Server database over ODBC on the Mac? And if you have, have you succeeded? And what driver were you using? I use the OpenLink SQL Server Lite Driver, version 5.0.319. With

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread Stephen Barncard
Yes, making up your own little language is cool (and fun, if one is geeky enough). There's nothing to stop anyone from making a little text interpreter that could use any syntax desired, even the 'reserved' words. The 'script editor' could just be a field or a builder, like in 4th Dimension.

Re: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?

2007-05-14 Thread Stephen Barncard
My experience with ODBC has always been HORRIBLE on the Mac; this goes back to something called Butler in the early 90's. I've since chosen alterative database connectivity systems since then so I can't speak for modern implementations... Is it possible that ODBC support is being phased out

Re: classic mac apps in 2.8

2007-05-14 Thread Jeff Reynolds
Mark, thanks ill try that out. i think that should work fine as i have not really done anything that is all that new in these stacks. i can also just continue with the 2.6 and the just open the stack in 2.8 and create the osx and pc apps with that. that way there should be no backwards

Re: Major Hang with IVT BlueSoleil 1.6

2007-05-14 Thread Camm29
This script works fine with all , except IVT BlueSoleil 1.6 bluetooth to usb driver ! The IVT BlueSoleil 1.6 bluetooth to usb driver works with other programs except RUNREV. set serialControlString to BAUD=38400 PARITY=N DATA=8 STOP=1 wait 50 milliseconds Open driver COM5: write HELLO eol to

Re: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?

2007-05-14 Thread Roger . E . Eller
I haven't tried accessing MS-SQL from Rev since 2.6.x, but it worked after installing the Actual driver. It costs only $29.95 and worked quite well. You can try it for free, but it will only return 3 lines from a query until you acquire a license. http://www.actualtechnologies.com/ Roger Eller

Re: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?

2007-05-14 Thread Stephen Barncard
cool. I was wrong. sqb I haven't tried accessing MS-SQL from Rev since 2.6.x, but it worked after installing the Actual driver. It costs only $29.95 and worked quite well. You can try it for free, but it will only return 3 lines from a query until you acquire a license.

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bill Marriott
Bernard, I'm glad you brought up the post I made last year, because it reminds me of how far we've come since then. Not only did we implement a substantial update to BugZilla, making it far more accessible and effective, but the effort going into BugZilla entries is like night and day as

Re: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...

2007-05-14 Thread Chipp Walters
David, Originally I had a 'VueHub' which acted as a broker between Rev and Vue's Python, sending and retrieving Python scripts and data back and forth. I ended up only using Rev as the Installer/Manager for Vue and the toolbar you are seeing is wxPython (runs on all platforms as well). I could

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Chipp Walters
Bernard, While you post bug 3196 as a 'blocker', it certainly isn't one which I would think affects a lot of people. I'm sure for you, it is a significant issue, but I doubt a significant population of Rev users will ever encounter it. I do use 'open process' in a couple of my apps w/out

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread Chipp Walters
On 5/13/07, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd agree with Roger on both the key points - use law not functional restrictions and at least extend to 25 lines. Would that suppose we should never copy protect our applications as we can use law to sue pirates? That said, I do agree with

Re: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...

2007-05-14 Thread David Bovill
On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, Originally I had a 'VueHub' which acted as a broker between Rev and Vue's Python, sending and retrieving Python scripts and data back and forth. I ended up only using Rev as the Installer/Manager for Vue and the toolbar you are seeing

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread David Bovill
On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would that suppose we should never copy protect our applications as we can use law to sue pirates? That said, I do agree with your 25 lines restriction. Out of interest has anyone on this list had software pirated / re-engineered? I'd be

Hiliting a cell or tabbed item in a field....

2007-05-14 Thread David Bovill
I've forgotten how to do this... whats the trick again I've got a field with tabbed data in it and I want to hilite say the second column of the 3rd line. I know I've done this before but all I can get right now is the text hilit - not the whole cell? select item columnNum of line

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Bernard Devlin
Hi Chipp, I didn't identify the bug. It was identified and logged as a bug 18 months ago by different people (several others on the list have been talking about problems with write to process on OS X as far back as 2003). There are a whole class of applications that could be written if

Re: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...

2007-05-14 Thread Chipp Walters
Hi David, Well, I certainly am no guru on this sort of thing, but here's what I know. Python is Vue's scripting language. When executing a Python script, it does not run in it's own thread, but rather runs synchronously. So, in order for VueToolbar to stay open and available, it must run

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Ken Ray
I just wanted to chime in here and say that I have been incredibly impressed with the 2.8.1 release effort. This is the version with the longest and most comprehensive testing cycle (AFAICR) for a version of Revolution since RunRev took over the product from MetaCard Corp. Mark Waddingham has

mouseEnter-Leave conundrum

2007-05-14 Thread Devin Asay
I've run into an interesting problem in a small demo stack I'm working on. I am creating an interactive labeled picture in which a label field appears when the user mouses over an object in a photograph. I use a filled, partially transparent irregular polygon graphic to define the outline

Re: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum

2007-05-14 Thread J. Landman Gay
Devin Asay wrote: I've run into an interesting problem in a small demo stack I'm working on. I am creating an interactive labeled picture in which a label field appears when the user mouses over an object in a photograph. I use a filled, partially transparent irregular polygon graphic to

Re: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum

2007-05-14 Thread Devin Asay
On May 14, 2007, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Devin Asay wrote: I've run into an interesting problem in a small demo stack I'm working on. I am creating an interactive labeled picture in which a label field appears when the user mouses over an object in a photograph. I use a filled,

Re: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum

2007-05-14 Thread Devin Asay
On May 14, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Devin Asay wrote: On May 14, 2007, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: snip Try: on mouseLeave if the name of the target contains graphic then lock messages hide fld myLabel end if end mouseLeave I'm not sure it's a bug though I agree it probably feels

Re: Spreadsheet

2007-05-14 Thread Viktoras Didziulis
By the way, here is a list of expressions and functions implemented in sqlite: http://www.sqlite.org/lang_expr.html All the best! Viktoras ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum

2007-05-14 Thread J. Landman Gay
Devin Asay wrote: If I just add an unlock messages line after the hide fld it pretty much fixes it: on mouseLeave if the name of the target contains graphic then lock messages hide fld myLabel unlock messages end if end mouseLeave The only problem left is a quick flash when I move

Re: End of U3?

2007-05-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
Judy Perry wrote: So, U3 drives so that I can have students d/o demo's/shareware software not officially honkey-dorey by our IT folks (which is basically everything that is NOT MS Office...). Am I mistaken? Isn't that THE BIG THING about the U3 drives? That you can run apps off them? For as

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
David Bovill wrote: Given how few scientists also have Rev experience, is it necessary that the functions be written in Transcript? No - not necessary. For these sort of applications I think it is easy enough to allow people to script in any language they want by organising a plugins folder

Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way

2007-05-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
FWIW, I've been very impressed with the v2.8.1 beta cycle. Regular updates, tons of bugs fixed, a few new features -- and you can't beat the price. ;) I can understand a desire for more; I have my own mile-long wish list. But given the mandate for this version, I feel that both the product

Re: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum

2007-05-14 Thread J. Landman Gay
J. Landman Gay wrote: I might try something like this instead: local sObj on mouseEnter if the name of the target contains graphic then put the name of the target into sObj end if end mouseEnter on mouseMove x,y if sObj = then pass mouseMove if x,y is not within the rect of sObj

Re: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum

2007-05-14 Thread Devin Asay
On May 14, 2007, at 3:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: snip I just tried it with multiple fields and graphics. You need this version: local sObj on mouseEnter if the name of the target contains graphic then if sObj then put last char of of the short name

Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app

2007-05-14 Thread Ben Rubinstein
rgould8 at aol.com wrote: http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/index.php?cPath=1458w http://www.mini-itx.com/ I've been looking at really small PC hardware for running a Revolution app on, but this hardware needs to run in a somewhat temperature-sensitive environent, so I was hoping to

Re: End of U3?

2007-05-14 Thread Judy Perry
Richard, Even though I am largely a Mac user, my students and my labs are largely PC and hence I need ways to get around being locked out of allowing downloads and installations of demos etc. U3 *should* let me do that, right? Judy On Mon, 14 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote: Judy Perry wrote:

Re: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app

2007-05-14 Thread Chipp Walters
On 5/14/07, Ben Rubinstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (We also tried installing Puppy Linux on one of the units and running that. This was fine except that we wanted to be able to mix and output several channels of audio, and Rev's Linux multimedia support is very backwards (please lend a vote

Re: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum

2007-05-14 Thread J. Landman Gay
Devin Asay wrote: In turns out all you have to do is use the within() function. That looks at the actual outline of the graphic instead of the rect. I didn't realize until today that the 'is within' operator and the 'within()' function have this subtle difference. Very cool. Whoa, I didn't

Re: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app

2007-05-14 Thread Mark Talluto
On May 14, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: On 5/14/07, Ben Rubinstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (We also tried installing Puppy Linux on one of the units and running that. This was fine except that we wanted to be able to mix and output several channels of audio, and Rev's Linux

Intel crashing

2007-05-14 Thread ron
Hi, using 2.8.0 and OS 10.3.9 I have been making the transition from an iBook to a MacBook and run into a situation that results in a crash everytime. The app has menus in unicode and nonunicode chars. The File menu for example is nonunicode. Special menus that might have unicoded menuitems

Re: Intel crashing

2007-05-14 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 15 May 2007, at 00:29, ron wrote: Hi, using 2.8.0 and OS 10.3.9 Are you 100% sure of using Mac OS 10.3.9 on a MacBook? I am pretty sure you need at least Mac OS 10.4.4 on intel machines. As for your crash related to a menu: try to lock messages and set the editMenus of your stack to

Something to add to the Rev Docs

2007-05-14 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
If the docs don't clearly spell this out, they should. Hopefully, this 2.9 with the Doc fixes can add something as tiny, but important, as this. Joe Wilkins On May 14, 2007, at 3:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Devin Asay wrote: In turns out all you have to do is use the within() function.

Re: End of U3?

2007-05-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
Judy Perry write: Even though I am largely a Mac user, my students and my labs are largely PC and hence I need ways to get around being locked out of allowing downloads and installations of demos etc. U3 *should* let me do that, right? ANY removable drive will let you do that. Whether an

Re: Something to add to the Rev Docs

2007-05-14 Thread Devin Asay
On May 14, 2007, at 4:54 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: If the docs don't clearly spell this out, they should. Hopefully, this 2.9 with the Doc fixes can add something as tiny, but important, as this. Actually, in this case it was reading about 'within' in the docs (a term I probably

Re: Something to add to the Rev Docs

2007-05-14 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 15 May 2007, at 00:54, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: If the docs don't clearly spell this out, they should. Hopefully, this 2.9 with the Doc fixes can add something as tiny, but important, as this. Joe Wilkins They don't. Probably due to it always behaving like that, even in rev 1.0 (dunno

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread Luis
Well, here are some that violate the Open Source GPL: http://gpl- violations.org/ Cheers, Luis. On 14 May 2007, at 19:43, David Bovill wrote: On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would that suppose we should never copy protect our applications as we can use law to sue

Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN

2007-05-14 Thread Sivakatirswami
I am a dbase newbie and could use a little guidance. Context: OSX Server (intel) and Intell Mac Book Pros on the LAN. We are using Portfolio from Extensis for content management. it builds a MySQL server and dbase on the back end on the OSX serve we have and then remote clients on the LAN talk

Re: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN

2007-05-14 Thread Stephen Barncard
Swami -- to see how MySQL works and to experiment, try the thin client http://www.versiontracker.com/php/dlpage.php?id=17838db=macpid=34263kind=lnk=http%3A%2F%2Fcocoamysql.sourceforge.net%2Fbeta%2FCocoaMySQL_0.7b5.zipCocoaMYSQL.

Re: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN

2007-05-14 Thread Andre Garzia
Aloha Swami, why are you using ODBC at all, is portfolio forcing that? You can access mySQL with standard RevDB calls over socket connection. Andre On May 14, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: I am a dbase newbie and could use a little guidance. Context: OSX Server (intel) and

Re: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN

2007-05-14 Thread Stephen Barncard
Whoa, I didn't see the ODBC part! No, don't use ODBC!!! not needed. sqb Aloha Swami, why are you using ODBC at all, is portfolio forcing that? You can access mySQL with standard RevDB calls over socket connection. Andre On May 14, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: I am a dbase

Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]

2007-05-14 Thread Andre Garzia
I had my first company (called macrowarp, silly name, I didn't choose it) bankrupt due to piracy. It was a very specific case, we had a big contract for creating a web portal, it was very big so we devoted the whole company to it. We were going to earn about 25k USD, this was enough for