Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-13 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Ken, Video... Or maybe I don't understand what you mean?? Judy But what will you do about all the hand movements? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-13 Thread Ken Norris
on 2/13/04 12:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] Hi Ken, Video... Or maybe I don't understand what you mean

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-13 Thread Judy Perry
Ahhh... No. I've done a beta of it in Director (ugh. can't begin to tell you how painful that was apparently because of a conflict between Director and a M$ drag-n-drop thingy that resulted in repeated crashes that ultimately resulted in my needing to emergency hose my HD a record FOUR TIMES).

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 11, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Ken- sorry I shouldn't judge your circumstances. If you need a computer tutor

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 12, 2004, at 12:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Because unless it's bundled it will still need to be downloaded, and if one needs to download and install something it could just as well provide multiple window, menus, and other options not possible in a browser.

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 6:07:01 PM, you wrote: JLG There is really no legitimate sign for that. I chose to use a gradually JLG drooping index finger. The entire audience, both hearing and deaf, never I've always found one of the joys of ASL to be that it's not a literally verbatim

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Thomas McGrath III wrote: back in the day I used the SuperCard plugin in our corporate structure to role out quick easy stacks to departments that just wanted to view an update on info to our software (GUI and other info) in a simple way from a web browser. All they had to do was go to the

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Christopher Mitchell
And universities... IT departments in universities can be just as strange. My professor, a mac user for a particular program (Accordance), instead of being permitted to bring in his own computer at his own expense was given a very very very bottom of the barrel PC gray-box and some Mac

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Christopher Mitchell wrote: Maybe we should just get the engine preloaded, or perhaps I don't see why that is any more dangerous than any other engine being installed (.NET, java, etc... they're (in some sense) all very similar)) Precisely. And with the current implementation of the

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Judy Perry
Funny you should mention this... This is a project on my way-back burner, to teach some simple ASL to deaf kids using a Mr. Potatohead metaphor... Judy On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Ken Norris wrote: -- I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time, but there are no teachers or solid learning sources on this island, no courses available. Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Stephen Quinn Barncard
ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... And universities... IT departments in universities can be just as strange. My professor, a mac user for a

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Brian Yennie
Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... ___

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Stephen Quinn Barncard
But it's under Linux/PPC! If I had a Power PC processor, why bother, I'd just run Mac OS. Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Roger . E . Eller
And there is also http://www.softmac2000.com/ If you already own the Mac hardware, it is perfectly legal to emulate your Mac on another machine (although not running simultaneously). We had a 68040 Mac Quadra that died years ago, so we used its ROM in an emulator. When you are porting

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Judy Perry
Actually, there is... I think it's called something like Basilisk... Judy On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Ken Norris
Hi Alex, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:15:36 -0700 From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] I had a linguistics prof. in college who came to lecture extremely excited one day because he had seen a performance of _Jabberwocky_ in ASL. I

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Jeanne A. E. DeVoto
At 1:50 PM -0600 2/12/04, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? No. I can't imagine the amount of work that would take. You can't exactly write it down; it would all have to be videos. I've seen an AMESLAN

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Christopher Mitchell
I don't know where the original message went to this, but there is emulation software that emulates a 68k environment, so installing a classic system would work. I know this, because I've installed system 8 on my p4 laptop before. Was it fun? no, but it worked. Basilisk ][. enjoy all ye

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Richard, This is logic that I can understand. I see what you are saying now and your other point about 'if' a plugin were ever developed down the road I would be in a position to re-use my experiences to empower myself. I guess that really is the point. Since I have not implemented your/Rev's

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Thomas McGrath III wrote: On Feb 12, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: That's all I'm trying to accomplish here: when you identify a need you can go two ways to solve it, finding a way to satisfy that need today or defining the problem in terms that require things beyond your

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Ken Norris
Hi Jacque, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:50:14 -0600 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] On 2/12/04 12:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: I never knew that. I've been wanting to learn at least AMSLAN for a long time

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Or quicktime VR in object mode!! There was an old sample vr that showed a finger accessing a touchtone phone that came with Quicktime VR toolkit 1.0 Maybe a bunch of image captures of the pieces(hand configurations) that make up a sign and then piece them together. Of course I just thought

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Ken Norris
on 2/12/04 4:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:30:26 -0500 From: Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] Or quicktime VR in object mode!! There was an old sample vr that showed

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Judy Perry
For kids, make it into a game (hence, my Mr. Potatohead idea -- present body parts to them -- the signs, that is -- and when they correctly identify the sign at the assessment part, take them to a screen wherein they can choose a particular version of that body part). Judy On Thu, 12 Feb 2004,

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 2/12/04 5:23 PM, Ken Norris wrote: I'm not asking you to do it, I just wanted to know. Seems relatively straightforward. So what would it take to map out a syllabus, sit down in front of an iSight and spend 5-10 minutes or so a day on it, just collecting clips? Sorry, I didn't mean to sound

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Ken Norris
Hi Judy, From: Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] For kids, make it into a game (hence, my Mr. Potatohead idea -- present body parts to them -- the signs, that is -- and when they correctly identify the sign at the assessment part

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-12 Thread Ken Norris
Hi Jacque, Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:26:59 -0600 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] If you do decide to make videos, better find a real deaf person. Except for the children of deaf parents, almost everyone else has

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RR as a browser plugin? Pre-installing a helper app could be done just as simply. How ? If we want to use Revolution as a helper application, we need some installer what 1) install a rev player 2) register the rev player to the system 3

RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Frank Leahy
Anyone know if RR has created a browser plug-in for RR? It would make a nice competitor to Flash, etc. -- Frank ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Frank Leahy wrote: Anyone know if RR has created a browser plug-in for RR? It would make a nice competitor to Flash, etc. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22browser+plugin%22+site:lists.runrev.comn um=20hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8safe=offstart=20sa=N In summary: Browser plugins offer no substanial

RE: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Ken Ray
The village people would sign songs about us Oh, good... then I wouldn't have to hear them... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 2/11/04 5:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The village people would sign songs about us Not to beat a dead horse, but I have to add: In a previous incarnation I was a sign language interpreter. I have actually done this. Off topic: We have a Renaissance Festival here, and one weekend they

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Christopher Mitchell
perhaps he forgot to specify that they would be singing the songs outside your window... This is an interesting idea, though, and something I think would be helpful. As was mentioned, however, it is unfortunately a non-trivial request for some people to have to install any 3rd party helper

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of a rev engine plug-in, I want one that makes the following scenario happen i roll out a web page with a link to my rev stack that triggers a plug-in required the user accepts the plug-in is downloaded it launches and downloads the rev client app AND

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Christopher Mitchell
So I guess then the distinction brower plugin implies it runs in a heavily partitioned area that keeps it safe from being able to be exploited to damage the system... that could still be useful but it is probably easier or at least more useful to build the browser into Rev than to build rev

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-11 Thread Ken Norris
Hi Jacque, Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:07:01 -0600 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?] On 2/11/04 5:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The village people would sign songs about us Not to beat a dead horse, but I have to add

Re: OT: Village signing [was: RR as a browser plugin?]

2004-02-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 11, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Ken Norris wrote: Did you ever write a tutorial for learning it on the computer? Not to butt in or anything: Sign Languages area *real* languages. Do you think you could learn German or Portuguese by watching some videos or a computer program? :-) I had a

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 11, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Browser plugins offer no substanial benefit not already addressed by using a standalone as a helper application. I too am a fan of web enabled standalone apps as an alternative to plugins. And I have read and appreciated your article about it.

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Rice wrote: standalone as a helper application. I too am a fan of web enabled standalone apps as an alternative to plugins. And I have read and appreciated your article about it. But you are making quite a blanket statement there. Why be so quick to dismiss the browser plugin which

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 12, 2004, at 12:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Because unless it's bundled it will still need to be downloaded, and if one needs to download and install something it could just as well provide multiple window, menus, and other options not possible in a browser. Look at the number of

Re: RR as a browser plugin?

2004-02-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Feb 11, 2004, at 5:04 PM, Dar Scott wrote: What does it take to turn an app into a helper app? I have never made a browser plugin. Helper apps are different from browser plugins. A Helper App is just a browser preference saying when downloading this file type or MIME type, launch it with