Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-15 Thread Kay C Lan
On Jan 14, 2008 2:15 AM, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've filed a long standing bug report on this... Would that be bug 5179, which I hope you'll be canceling now that you've squashed it:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-14 Thread Graham Samuel
Pardon my ignorance, but what is Default Folder X and where do I find it - I dimly perceive that it may be useful? Graham On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:20:37 +, 14 Ian Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ?!? Default Folder X works fine with Rev and with Rev standalones. Has done for years, I'd

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-14 Thread Jim Ault
On 1/14/08 10:19 AM, Graham Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but what is Default Folder X and where do I find it - I dimly perceive that it may be useful? For me, it is indispensable and an automatic part of my workday. This utility tracks and remembers folders you have

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-13 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Ian, In most document-based applications on Mac OS X, you will find a 16x16 px icon in the title bar. If the document is saved the icon is bright and draggable. If the document is not saved, the icon is grayed out and is not draggable. This is a very useful feature, that I miss very

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-13 Thread Ian Wood
Actually there are three features: The dark blob. The document icon next to the title, that can be dragged to other apps/ folders. Command-clicking on the title itself to see a dropdown menu with the folder path to the document, select a folder to go to that folder in the Finder. That last

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-13 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Ian, Yes, I agree, those features would all be very useful, but I thought this thread was about the unsaved status of documents. The button to show/hide tool bars (gel button?) has been requested in QCC already. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-13 Thread Ian Wood
Sorry, I read your message too quickly and missed the bit about the icon changing with save status... Ian On 13 Jan 2008, at 13:13, Mark Schonewille wrote: Yes, I agree, those features would all be very useful, but I thought this thread was about the unsaved status of documents.

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-13 Thread Stephen Barncard
Another odd omission in MacRev - the ability to allow third party add on system stuff like DEFAULT FOLDER to work in file dialogs. These show up in every Macintosh app known to man except Revolution. It really messes up my workflow when this utility doesn't show, and since it shows in

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-13 Thread Ian Wood
?!? Default Folder X works fine with Rev and with Rev standalones. Has done for years, I'd be going nuts if it didn't. Ian On 13 Jan 2008, at 18:15, Stephen Barncard wrote: Another odd omission in MacRev - the ability to allow third party add on system stuff like DEFAULT FOLDER to work

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-13 Thread Stephen Barncard
How right you are, and how I've been stepping on my own all these years. There is a setting field, in the control panel for DF, for Excluded Applications that has been set for a long time. Guess which app is there? I guess I was testing the defaultFolder property once (because DF

Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Ian Wood
Just wondering how people normally show that a file needs to be saved. This is for an OS X-only app, so ideally I'd like to show a darker blob in the red 'close' button in the titlebar, but this doesn't seem to be an option in Rev without rebuilding the titlebar... Other suggestions? The

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Mark Smith
Isn't the mac convention to simply warn the user and offer the opportunity to save when they close an unsaved document? Best, Mark On 12 Jan 2008, at 21:31, Ian Wood wrote: Just wondering how people normally show that a file needs to be saved. This is for an OS X-only app, so ideally I'd

RE: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 1/12/2008 1:31 PM Subject: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows Just wondering how people normally show that a file needs to be saved. This is for an OS X-only app, so ideally I'd like to show a darker blob in the red 'close' button in the titlebar

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Ian Wood wrote: Just wondering how people normally show that a file needs to be saved. This is for an OS X-only app, so ideally I'd like to show a darker blob in the red 'close' button in the titlebar, but this doesn't seem to be an option in Rev without

RE: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
unsaved status for document-based windows Just wondering how people normally show that a file needs to be saved. This is for an OS X-only app, so ideally I'd like to show a darker blob in the red 'close' button in the titlebar, but this doesn't seem to be an option in Rev without rebuilding

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Ian Wood
Yes, but you'll also find that the red blob shows a darker circle in the middle *as well*, so that you can see visually if a document has been saved or not. Ian On 12 Jan 2008, at 21:53, Mark Smith wrote: Isn't the mac convention to simply warn the user and offer the opportunity to save

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Ian Wood
On 12 Jan 2008, at 21:56, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Maybe a better question is: why does the document need to be saved? Why isnt it saved as it is being changed? Should the user have to be aware of the memory/hard disc schism? Just a thought. Re-written because it was turning into a

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Ian Wood
On 12 Jan 2008, at 22:05, Trevor DeVore wrote: If you really want to set the close button to the proper color you could probably use the API call SetWindowModified() in an external. Rev provides the necessary information to make this Carbon call (windowID property). First learn some

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Jan 12, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Ian Wood wrote: On 12 Jan 2008, at 22:05, Trevor DeVore wrote: If you really want to set the close button to the proper color you could probably use the API call SetWindowModified() in an external. Rev provides the necessary information to make this Carbon

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Ian Wood
On 12 Jan 2008, at 23:46, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Jan 12, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Ian Wood wrote: First learn some Carbon... ;-) I think I'll add it as an enhancement request on the QC, but thanks for the header. Fortunately this particular call will be very straightforward to write an

RE: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 1/12/2008 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows On 12 Jan 2008, at 21:56, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Maybe a better question is: why does the document need to be saved? Why isnt

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Mark Smith
Wow! all these years and I never even noticed! Thanks for pointing it out. Mark On 12 Jan 2008, at 22:52, Ian Wood wrote: Yes, but you'll also find that the red blob shows a darker circle in the middle *as well*, so that you can see visually if a document has been saved or not. Ian On

Re: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows

2008-01-12 Thread Ian Wood
I think it came in with OS X 10.2 or 10.3, and was really widespread by the time the next one came out. Ian On 13 Jan 2008, at 00:58, Mark Smith wrote: Wow! all these years and I never even noticed! Thanks for pointing it out. Mark On 12 Jan 2008, at 22:52, Ian Wood wrote: Yes, but

Questioning convention as a programmer (was: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows)

2008-01-12 Thread Ian Wood
On 13 Jan 2008, at 00:06, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: These are just straight forward questions that question convention. I think this is worth spinning off into a new thread as it's an interesting topic by itself, and particularly apt to Rev. For many of us, questioning convention is a

RE: Questioning convention as a programmer (was: Showing unsaved status for document-based windows)

2008-01-12 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
I was thinking about this today. As an interface designer i like the broad philisophical perspective... The school of athens view. But that aint the same as this has to get done today cubical reality of the average user. So i appologize for the absract nature of a lot of my comments and