I agree !
+ music (Midi ?) functions
Le 14 mai 2010 à 00:16, Robert Mann a écrit :
I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid
enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal
reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility
On 15/05/2010 12:32, René Micout wrote:
I agree !
+ music (Midi ?) functions
Le 14 mai 2010 à 00:16, Robert Mann a écrit :
I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid
enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal
reverb, tone
In North America, the words *Bung* and *Bang* have very different meanings.
It's like seeing 'bloody' all over the place to a UK'er. It bugs me every
time. I get bad visual images.
Our Bung is your Bloody, buddy.
Just thought I'd remind you.
On 15 May 2010 02:38, Richmond Mathewson
On 15/05/2010 19:07, stephen barncard wrote:
In North America, the words *Bung* and *Bang* have very different meanings.
It's like seeing 'bloody' all over the place to a UK'er. It bugs me every
time. I get bad visual images.
Our Bung is your Bloody, buddy.
Just thought I'd remind you.
Pretty much agree with everything you say here Robert - especially about
revWeb - community provided JavaScript integration libraries are what we
need.
On 13 May 2010 23:16, Robert Mann r...@free.fr wrote:
The recent change in iphone policy and runrev plans have shaken my
strategic
tree over
Jacqueline, let me take a precise example.. i'took a license for sygodact.
It's an old CGI stack. So I had to install an old runrev engine in the
CGI folder. It would be simpler if the new on-rev engine accepted stacks
like the old one :
- It would make it easier for you to promote Zygodact. It
Robert Mann wrote:
Jacqueline, let me take a precise example.. i'took a license for sygodact.
It's an old CGI stack. So I had to install an old runrev engine in the
CGI folder. It would be simpler if the new on-rev engine accepted stacks
like the old one :
Thanks, I understand what you mean
Jerry - it would be good to outline a little more clearly how Rodeo works /
fits into the picture of how to develop apps on iPhone for Rev developers.
I'm not clear - so I guess perhaps others are not.
At present you have to make iPhone apps using either:
1. Cocoa Touch
Presumably Jerry is asleep at the moment but from what I've read and
watched...
Rodeo is written in Rev and creates *online* HTML webapps, hosted on
On-Rev. Xcode is not involved in the end-user's workflow at all*. The
'originally written in' clause is irrelevant because all that ends up
Ian,
Well said and accurate.
As regards the Rodeo server load and saving...
Saving Rodeo code from either the Rodeo desktop or iPad IDE will result in
sending it to the server where it will be rendered into viewable web app pages.
The On-Rev server is surprising fast.
Best,
Jerry Daniels
The recent change in iphone policy and runrev plans have shaken my strategic
tree over here in France.
So i decided not to wait any longer for the ipad dream, and to launch my
first app as mac and windows desktop !! I also decided to dig javascript as
it has become so central nowadays; being at
Robert,
We are looking at all of the frameworks. We started exploring SproutCore a few
weeks ago.
With respect to Rodeo, we want to keep our app pages as lean as possible, so
use of frameworks will by necessity have to be discrete.
Sarah and I have been tuning the Roadmap to bring the release
Robert Mann wrote:
I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead of iPhone
Yes, that's the plan. Attention is now going to Android and you will see
that next.
and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have
closed STACKS instead of opened .irev
I'm not sure what
I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the
Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50%
of what I read).
As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6
(+2?) solutions are available to me :
1.
René,
You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you
would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux.
A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications.
Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered
Tom,
Is the same thing that my point 6 Rodeo ? // On-Rev ? // Rev server ? //
I am completely lost with all this !!
René
Le 12 mai 2010 à 14:55, Thomas McGrath III a écrit :
René,
You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you
would get to target all mobile
Thomas McGrath wrote:
You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer
and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as
well as Linux.
A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based
applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of
Richard,
Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !!
Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:03, Richard Gaskin a écrit :
Thomas McGrath wrote:
You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer
and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as
well as Linux.
A revServer
Richard,
I don't know that it would require a complete 100% 'learning' of javascript,
exactly, but rather a sharing of javascript resources that are directly tied to
irev scripts and UI objects. This is what has been happening already. I need to
know how to tie in something I want to do with
Thank you Tom (and Richard...)
I will read the Richard's article... and if necessary I come back...
Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:22, Thomas McGrath III a écrit :
I love this article by Richard:
http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/netapps.html
___
René,
Check out http://www.on-rev.com/revolution/overview/ for information about what
how revServer works and search the lists for how Rev CGI works.
Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgr...@comcast.net
I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
On 12/05/2010 16:18, René Micout wrote:
Richard,
Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !!
Yes! Having spent the better part of 9 years getting
reasonably good at RevTalk I have neither the time,
energy or inclination to start learning something as
un-xTalk as JavaScript.
I am
On May 12, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are great solutions
on the back end.
But what goes in the browser?
It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means learning JavaScript.
That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only
Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:38, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :
so sucks to Apple and move
on
Richmond,
I like (love ?) RunRev but I like (love) also Apple computers (hardware and
software)...
I love RevTalk no JavaScript (while...)
I love Apple no Linux, no Windows
Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:46, Jim Ault a écrit :
Of course, if you wanted to use zero javascript, your web solutions would be
less powerful and more difficult to create.
What I want to do is create multitouch musical instruments for my own use
René Micout wrote:
Richard,
Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !!
To deploy to a desktop browser, you can use RevTalk with the RevWeb
browser plugin.
In a mobile device, you can wait for RevMobile's Android or Maemo versions.
--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World
Rev training and
On 12/05/2010 16:48, René Micout wrote:
Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:38, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :
so sucks to Apple and move
on
Richmond,
I like (love ?) RunRev but I like (love) also Apple computers (hardware and
software)...
I love RevTalk no JavaScript (while...)
I love Apple no Linux, no
-in browser sniffing.
Instead of heading to quirksmode.org directly, a person could either use or
deconstruct those libraries to find out how to do it.
Mike
--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's
Rene,
Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach
to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob,
Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo!
You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE
to use Rodeo.
Jerry,
Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation
(because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...).
If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need !
Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? music by example...
Question 2 :
Rene,
You ask an excellent question:
If the approach Rodeo takes can let you use the iPad features using a single
HyperTalk-like language, then why doesn't Runtime Revolution do this?
The simple answer is: it's not in their corporate DNA, but it is most certainly
in ours. RunRev is all about
And for my first question ?
;-)
Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:12, Jerry Daniels a écrit :
Rene,
You ask an excellent question:
If the approach Rodeo takes can let you use the iPad features using a single
HyperTalk-like language, then why doesn't Runtime Revolution do this?
The simple answer
This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much
of real value to the discussion, but here goes...
RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just
about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that
although I sincerely admire what you folks
René,
Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing
music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow,
but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field.
That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with
After that, I'll have to use a quality which fortunately is acquired with age :
patience ! Because I am looking forward from now !!
I tested tRev since last weekend, but I saw nothing about Kickstart program.
This could help me pass the time while waiting Rodeo.
Can you tell me when is scheduled
Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment — Nietzsche
Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit :
This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much
of real value to the discussion, but here goes...
RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just
--- On Wed, 5/12/10, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote:
From: David C. davidoco...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:55 AM
This is more of an editorial comment
rather than
David,
If you're totally opposed to using any Apple products, for whatever reasons,
then, of course, you won't be using Rodeo for the iPad. As we address other
devices (and if we do), give us another look!
Best,
Jerry Daniels
Create iPad web apps with Rodeo:
http://rodeoapps.com
On May 12,
On May 12, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Michael Kann wrote:
As usual, Jim has provided us with a great explanation of how it all
fits together. My first question: Why don't you gather up all your
posts and put out a book?
I just want to add one small addition. All the popular javascript
libraries,
Rene,
I will be doing another posting on Rodeo with answers to your questions. This
will happen either Friday or early the next week.
We will not be peppering the list here with this sort of thing, but I will give
quick answers and direct discussion to the Rodeo site where it belongs.
I
for iPhone.
Mike
--- On Wed, 5/12/10, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote:
From: David C. davidoco...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:55 AM
This is more
Yes I understand...
Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:28, Jerry Daniels a écrit :
Rene,
I will be doing another posting on Rodeo with answers to your questions. This
will happen either Friday or early the next week.
We will not be peppering the list here with this sort of thing, but I will
give
Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:30, Jerry Daniels a écrit :
We are targeting the iPad first because of it's at the beginning of a steep
growth curve and because it has a large enough screen to house an IDE!
If I have well understand (stood ?) Rodeo allows programming FOR iPad but also
ON iPad
Oui!
Yes, that's a big part of Rodeo's appeal: iPad coding on a Mac or on the iPad.
The UI builder for iPad will come along after the Mac IDE, but you'll be able
to edit your code on the iPad right away.
Best,
Jerry Daniels
Create iPad web apps with Rodeo:
http://rodeoapps.com
On May 12,
C'est formidable !!! I want it !!!
Le 12 mai 2010 à 18:38, Jerry Daniels a écrit :
Yes, that's a big part of Rodeo's appeal: iPad coding on a Mac or on the
iPad. The UI builder for iPad will come along after the Mac IDE, but you'll
be able to edit your code on the iPad right away.
René Micout wrote:
Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit :
I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products
that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun
intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future.
Ne bâtissons pas l'avenir
Than you Richard :-) but it is not my impress. It is not matter after all :-)
I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article Beyond the
browser . Does it have any interest to have a French version of this article
?. If you want I can send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ...
Rene,
Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo
material into French for him.
Mike
--- On Wed, 5/12/10, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote:
From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
To: How to use
Great idea Mike !
As I can have Rodeo in preview...
;-)
Bon souvenir de Paris
René
Le 12 mai 2010 à 19:02, Michael Kann a écrit :
Rene,
Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo
material into French for him.
Mike
René Micout wrote:
I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article
Beyond the browser . Does it have any interest to have a
French version of this article ?. If you want I can send
( when it is completed) a PDF to you ...
That's a very generous offer. Yes! I would be very
you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo
material into French for him.
Mike
--- On Wed, 5/12/10, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote:
From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
To: How to use Revolution use
, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote:
From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM
Than you Richard :-) but it is not my
impress
What?? ;-)
Bob
On May 12, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
I can understand you quite well, now, about understanding me, I understand
is quite a challenge!
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote:
French translation? I was thinking I needed
, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote:
From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM
Than you Richard :-) but it is not my
impress
Hi from Beautiful Brittanny,
Richard Gaskin wrote :
Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions
for
the future based on previous experience.
wrote Sorry Richard,
René Micout wrote:
Le 12 mai 2010 à 17:55, David C. a écrit :
I try to be supportive to all of
Sorry Francis but I think that is the word resentment I wanted to express.
The real word is ressentiment, a french word for a Nietzsche's philosophical
concept.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment
Bonne nuit
René
Le 12 mai 2010 à 21:45, Francis Nugent Dixon a écrit :
Hi from Beautiful
Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had
classes about him at the university...
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:10 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote:
Sorry Francis but I think that is the word resentment I wanted to
express.
The real word is
Does it still hurt?
Bob
On May 12, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had
classes about him at the university...
___
use-revolution mailing list
A philosopher very difficult to access that requires a gradual initiation. I
have read many books on Nietzsche before reading his books ... (Patrick
Wotling, Gilles Deleuze, Michel Onfray, etc.)
Le 12 mai 2010 à 22:16, Andre Garzia a écrit :
Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in
MOT: Ministry of Transport / Miles of Topic / Mad, 'Orrible
Twisted; your choice.
On 12/05/2010 23:16, Andre Garzia wrote:
Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had
classes about him at the university...
My son had a Nietzsche patch about a year ago, and all
This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid
things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but
was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she
strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is
René Micout wrote:
This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought.
All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance
book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who
was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly
disagreed) after the death
I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a
citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back.
I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It
is a paradox because it is a philosopher of life who fights nihilism
On 12/05/2010 23:53, René Micout wrote:
This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things
taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was
built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly
On 13/05/2010 00:10, René Micout wrote:
I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a
citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back.
I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It
is a paradox because it is
Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)...
Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) The Gay Science. This is
something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and
illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's
retrospective hindsight with
On 13/05/2010 00:25, Dave Cragg wrote:
Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)...
Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English)
To come out of the closet, or to stay shut in; that is the question.
The Gay Science.
Oh dear! Polysemanticism and the perils of translation.
There
If Hitler had read Nietzsche I do not think it is claimed. It is very violent
with anti-Semitic, also the violence. I think he read the wrong book concocted
by his sister in which sentences are truncated and modified to suggest to
Hitler that his brother shared his ideas.
read about it:
Name ! Name ! Des noms ! Des noms ! ;-)
Le 12 mai 2010 à 23:25, Dave Cragg a écrit :
Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)...
Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) The Gay Science. This is
something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and
Richmond Mathewson wrote:
At my school there was a chap called 'Shufflebotham' (pronounced in
'that' way) who was an extremely good country runner;
although he was often beaten by the chaplain's son; 'Alcock'. I kid you
not!
Sooner rather than later our good wag, J. Landman G. will quip one
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft:
The Gay Science was about poetry
and the idea of power.
It has also been translated as The Joyous
Wisdom (which avoids any latter-day
ambiguity).
Personally I would go for an entirely
literal translation of 'fröhliche';
frolicsome
nothing either wrong or ambig.
Jacque-
Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 3:00:13 PM, you wrote:
Hard to top those, but...I just got a new phone line and the caller ID
info is showing up as Gay Jacqueline. I think I need to change that.
...toujours gai, archy...
--
-Mark Wieder
mwie...@ahsoftware.net
Absolutely. I'd decided long ago against having anything to do with
Apple and the iPhone, because I thought the direction Apple was going
in was extremely retrograde. I wish my fears over Apple had been
wrong.
But I'd be delighted to see RunRev focus on it's core tools. I can
only hope that
As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed
radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming
more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated
dramatically in the last month.
Every technology company on our little planet is
Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the
transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted
their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my
thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward.
Well said and I am
This is good for you Jerry. I hope you keep getting preferential treatment. I,
however, do not.
I do expect a rebate or discount for my loss.
Tom McGrath
On May 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs,
the works.
I couldn´t have said it better.
Matthias
Am 10.05.2010 um 19:46 schrieb Jerry Daniels:
As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed
radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more
personal and more mobile. This transformation has
: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed
radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming
more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated
dramatically in the last month.
Every technology
Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in
the transformation department with their announcement today.
They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us
all in the game.
They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business
going forward.
I
With all sympathies to those who are understandably deeply disappointed, there
is a silver lining to this news:
On May 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
...we are ...focusing on developing significant and exciting enhancements to
the Rev platform. We have many exciting projects in
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