Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun
On 25 Apr 2006, at 19:23, Jim Ault wrote: Later I am switching windows and happen to click on the Replace button, and without realizing it, I have replaced the string tCounter with empty in every part of my stack script. There is no undo for this, even if I realized my mistake the moment

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun
On 25 Apr 2006, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ton Kuypers suggested: use Constellation? A good choice. And there's MetaCard, and devolution, and you can roll you're own The problem is for Newbies. If you are learning a new environment you really don't want to add to the

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Jerry Daniels
If I read this thread correctly, it isn't that the Rev IDE is untrustworthy, but rather that the second typing of an enter key closes the Rev script editor. If basic development environments didn't have third party tools, they wouldn't last long. Third party products exist to enrich a

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread simplsol
is not encouraging. Paul Looney -Original Message- From: David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:01:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Turn Off Double-Entry? On 25 Apr 2006, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin wrote:  Ton Kuypers suggested:  use

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun
On 26 Apr 2006, at 15:59, Jerry Daniels wrote: If I read this thread correctly, it isn't that the Rev IDE is untrustworthy, but rather that the second typing of an enter key closes the Rev script editor. Yes, bad UI design. It's not just that though, there are loads of problems in the

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun
PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:01:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Turn Off Double-Entry? On 25 Apr 2006, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ton Kuypers suggested: use Constellation? A good choice. And there's MetaCard, and devolution, and you can

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Jerry Daniels
Comments about your own experience are, of course valid. Best, Jerry Daniels Consultants Developers http://www.daniels-mara.com Voice: 512.879.6286 Skype: jerry.daniels On Apr 26, 2006, at 10:18 AM, David Burgun wrote: On 26 Apr 2006, at 15:59, Jerry Daniels wrote: If I read this

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:18 AM, David Burgun wrote: Also, when a newbie buys RunRev and starts to use it, depending on their past experience, they have a big task to get their head around, a programming language, an IDE and the whole MC concept. They really don't want to take on any more at

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: I don't suppose there's any way to turn off or otherwise disable the double-entry key sequence to close the script editor? I think you're looking for the script of field script of stack revTemplateScriptEditor It's easy to get at using

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun
On 26 Apr 2006, at 16:40, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:18 AM, David Burgun wrote: Also, when a newbie buys RunRev and starts to use it, depending on their past experience, they have a big task to get their head around, a programming language, an IDE and the whole MC concept.

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Richard Gaskin
David Burgun wrote: On 25 Apr 2006, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ton Kuypers suggested: use Constellation? A good choice. And there's MetaCard, and devolution, and you can roll you're own The problem is for Newbies. If you are learning a new environment you really don't want to

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Mark Smith
OTOH, perhaps due to my being an old HC guy, that very behaviour is what's burned in to my muscle memory, and I don't think I've ever had the problem you describe - maybe I'm just luckyI'd be really annoyed if it changed, though. Best, Mark On 25 Apr 2006, at 18:30, Scott Rossi

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread J. Landman Gay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point, Dave, But I'm not sure why we are having this discussion at all. Whether it takes one click or two clicks to close the script editor is the least of the problems with the editor and, worse yet, the debugger. It opens to random window sizes. Sometimes it

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread David Burgun
On 26 Apr 2006, at 18:12, Richard Gaskin wrote: David Burgun wrote: On 25 Apr 2006, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ton Kuypers suggested: use Constellation? A good choice. And there's MetaCard, and devolution, and you can roll you're own The problem is for Newbies. If you are

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Richard Gaskin
David Burgun wrote: On 25 Apr 2006, at 19:23, Jim Ault wrote: Later I am switching windows and happen to click on the Replace button, and without realizing it, I have replaced the string tCounter with empty in every part of my stack script. There is no undo for this, even if I realized my

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Geoff Canyon wrote: I don't suppose there's any way to turn off or otherwise disable the double-entry key sequence to close the script editor? I think you're looking for the script of field script of stack revTemplateScriptEditor It's easy to get at using (shameless plug)

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: Often it will step though a couple lines of code then drop to the bottom of the handler. You can set debug checkpoints which do not trigger the debugger at all. This one is a known, and intentional, escape procedure. It happens when there is a bug in a script that is

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Apr 26, 2006, at 9:52 AM, David Burgun wrote: Just a different perspective on this - I always search out 3rd party tools once I start using a development environment. I've never developed apps in CodeWarrior, but for Director, Flash, etc., the 3rd party providers were doing really

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread J. Landman Gay
Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: Often it will step though a couple lines of code then drop to the bottom of the handler. You can set debug checkpoints which do not trigger the debugger at all. This one is a known, and intentional, escape procedure. It happens when there is a bug

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Chipp Walters
Now that's a bandwagon I can jump on! Dave is THE MAN :-) libURL has probably the lowest bug density of any substantial Transcript work I've seen. Amazing, admirable, and inspiring effort, Dave. I can't say enough good things about Dave. He has consistently supported libURL like a true

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: This one is a known, and intentional, escape procedure. It happens when there is a bug in a script that is called from your debugging script, such as one in a library or backscript. If there is a bug in there, the engine will go into an infinite

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread J. Landman Gay
Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: This one is a known, and intentional, escape procedure. It happens when there is a bug in a script that is called from your debugging script, such as one in a library or backscript. If there is a bug in there, the engine will

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Devin Asay
On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:21 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The variable watcher misses variables (especially the clickLine). It is possible to use the spacebar to step through code (although there is no obvious way to know this) - except that it often will not work for

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Dave Cragg
It has been brought to my attention that certain flattering comments with respect to the frequency of bugs in libUrl have been made on this list. In line with traditional Scottish good grace, all I can say is if it's money you're after, the answer's no. We seem to be getting into a

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Dave Cragg wrote: I'm probably on your side on this one, but sometimes there is an advantage to the double-entry feature. I've got one of those sleek Apple edgeless keyboards, and I keep hitting the Enter key with my elbow when I reach for the phone. At those times, the

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: Scott Rossi wrote: I don't suppose there's any way to turn off or otherwise disable the double-entry key sequence to close the script editor? ... You can use option-enter (on Windows, alt-enter) to save and close the editor. In my script editor I use Shift-Enter,

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-26 Thread J. Landman Gay
Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: Scott Rossi wrote: I don't suppose there's any way to turn off or otherwise disable the double-entry key sequence to close the script editor? ... You can use option-enter (on Windows, alt-enter) to save and close the editor. In my script editor

Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-25 Thread Scott Rossi
I don't suppose there's any way to turn off or otherwise disable the double-entry key sequence to close the script editor? This is something that has always bothered me about Rev's script editor. If a script has been edited at all, it requires two hits of the enter key close the window (apply

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-25 Thread Ton Kuypers
use Constellation? ;-) Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com On 25-apr-06, at 19:30, Scott Rossi wrote: I don't suppose there's any way to turn off or otherwise disable the double-entry key sequence

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-25 Thread Jim Ault
I also have been bitten by the design of the script editor window. Since I usually have different palettes and windows open, I am in the habit of clicking somewhere a window to activate it. In the script editor, once you do a find for tCounter, it remains in the find input box. Later I am

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-25 Thread Brian Yennie
Scott, How about a frontScript which catches closeStack and enterKey - 1) Snoop for a closeStack sent to the script editor 2) Don't pass any enterKey messages within a threshold (say 1 second) of closing the script editor Wrap up, throw in a plugin... should work? - Brian I don't suppose

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-25 Thread J. Landman Gay
Scott Rossi wrote: I don't suppose there's any way to turn off or otherwise disable the double-entry key sequence to close the script editor? This is something that has always bothered me about Rev's script editor. If a script has been edited at all, it requires two hits of the enter key close

Re: Turn Off Double-Entry?

2006-04-25 Thread Richard Gaskin
Scott Rossi wrote: I don't suppose there's any way to turn off or otherwise disable the double-entry key sequence to close the script editor? This is something that has always bothered me about Rev's script editor. If a script has been edited at all, it requires two hits of the enter key