Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7
Hi, see here for a description for the decision why to provide a OC8 package for system which doesn't ship PHP 5.4 by default: https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/13917#issuecomment-73052468 -- View this message in context: http://owncloud.10557.n7.nabble.com/EPEL-6-packages-for-ownCloud-7-tp14717p14721.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7
On 03/06/2015 06:24 PM, Chris wrote: see here for a description for the decision why to provide a OC8 package for system which doesn't ship PHP 5.4 by default: https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/13917#issuecomment-73052468 That was actually an interesting read. Thanks! We have too many things that we can't take big risks on so we keep to the Enterprise grade type of stuff. We are still waiting on several big vendors to properly adopt to RHEL 7 before we jump ship. I am /really/ hoping to stick it out on RHEL 6 till at least the end of the year with a migration next year, but more and more it is getting challenging to do so. It is kinda funny. Two years ago I led the crusade to get rid of RHEL 4 and last year I started the hard push to migrate off of RHEL 5. I just wanted a year break before starting the push to get off RHEL 6. :-D ~Stack~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7
On 03/06/2015 02:23 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote: Packaging software which depends on php54 for platform which doesn't have php54... To be fair, they have advertised dumping php53. To be honest, if you look at my history on this forum you will see a recent post where I too got blindsided by this very thing. The Software Collections route I went to was something new to me, but it ended up not being too bad. Now I have httpd24 and php55 running on Scientific Linux in production with owncloud 8. The post shouldn't be too hard to find, but if you need help let me know. I will be happy to do what I can. I would think that E in RHEL means that the packager should be careful about screwing up your users. Trust me. This is one of my biggest pet-peeves. Especially with the absurd notion recently of pushing bleeding-edge packages that haven't hit a one year birthday yet into Enterprise grade OS and LTS support. This really frightens me. But I would also expect that an admin who joins me in the fight for keeping that E of highest importance would break a dev box...not a production one... ~Stack~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
Re: [owncloud-user] Can not share calendars anymore
Hi, some plugins like adblock or ublock are currently blocking the share buttons of ownCloud. Try again after disabling those plugins. -- View this message in context: http://owncloud.10557.n7.nabble.com/Can-not-share-calendars-anymore-tp14713p14714.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
Re: [owncloud-user] Can not share calendars anymore
Thanks Chris ! I keep getting surprised how solutions can be simple sometimes... Maybe this tip should also appear in the official documentation, if someone knows who to contact. Thanks again all, have a good continuation, Yvan Le vendredi 06 mars 2015 à 07:44 -0700, Chris a écrit : Hi, some plugins like adblock or ublock are currently blocking the share buttons of ownCloud. Try again after disabling those plugins. -- View this message in context: http://owncloud.10557.n7.nabble.com/Can-not-share-calendars-anymore-tp14713p14714.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
Re: [owncloud-user] Blogposts for upgrade problems or usage hints
On 03/05/2015 10:52 AM, Chris wrote: Something to discuss: Recently i've seen some blogposts about upgrade problems or ownCloud usage and mostly havn't found those in the core bugtracker as a bugreport or at the documents tracker as an enhancement. [snip] I really don't get it why people spend so much time in writing blogposts and just don't report it back to the project itself. Language barriers? I don't care? No knowledge where / how to report this? Anything else? I can't speak for anyone but myself here, but there have been a couple of times where I have done similar. * Some require too many hoops to jump through to just report a bug. I don't use Red Hat directly, but I do use a few derivatives and I have been told on multiple occasions You need to report this upstream to Red Hat. I can never remember that Bugzilla account/password and it used to be a colossal pain to get the password reset so I have always just created a new user/password. (although I did start using KeePass2 so maybe this won't be much of an issue in the future). Another example from a few weeks ago, I was messing around with a program I saw mentioned on another list. Though I had no use for the program it looked interesting and I wanted to poke at it. I found a bug. I also recognized how to fix it as I had recently fixed something _very_ similar. Perfect example for Open Source, right? Well this little private never-heard-of-it-before bugtracker only accepted Twitter and Facebook log ins...wtf? I have neither. I unsuccessfully tried to use one of my spam throw away accounts to sign up for Twitter but it really didn't like that. I puttzed around until it was no longer worth my time and I sent an email to the *one* email address listed on the site. Never heard anything back. I have no idea if it got fixed or not... Last example I will mention for an official bug tracker being terrible is from a company that has both an Open Source version and a corporate version. My company bought the corporate version. When we bought it they asked us to go through their bug tracker to report issues instead of taking it to the community side because the community bug tracker rarely gets looked at by any developer internally. I thought that was strange, but ok, whatever. Maybe the paid for developers are working on other things? Dunno... Then I found a big bug. It took months of dealing with a really crappy tracker and almost no forward progress before I went to the community. Someone way more familiar than I with the software on the mailing list recognized my problem and was able to easily recreate it w/ instructions for others. Someone else knew where to look in the code. Within _4_hours_ the mailing list had reproduced the problem, narrowed the scope, and someone had a patch to try. The Open Source version is great but the corporate version wasn't for us. This was one of the _many_ issues we had with this company and I made sure it was on the list that we reported when we dumped the product. I am not going to name-n-shame the company because I have been told that within the last year many of the items on my list, including how they respond to bugs, has been greatly improved. * Unintentionally by writing a post on an experience. I have two experiences from my personal blog. One time I was just comparing my experiences between two different but similar products. What I thought was just a bad design I later discovered was actually a bug (thanks to a dev who commented). I hadn't used the product nearly enough to recognize it as a bug so I didn't report it. Another time I had an issue and it really stumped me. The TL;DR was I thought it was me picking a bad configuration which I tweaked until it started working. I later discovered that it was actually a bug and someone commented on the post asking me to file a bug report (which I did). * Lastly, not knowing where to report a bug and getting pointed to wrong locations. I found a nasty kernel bug once. I really tried tracking it down, but that is SO far outside of my scope of abilities. I reported it to my distro. They said that was to be reported upstream to Red Hat. I really didn't want to deal with Red Hat Bugzilla again...so I replicated the problem with CentOS and went to the CentOS guys because I know some of them are pretty hard core kernel guys. They said to go see Red Hat. Dang. Fine...Went to Red Hat and they said, the patch causing problems came from Fedora and since you aren't using proper Red Hat, go see Fedora. Ugh. Fine. Went to Fedora and verified that the problem still existed, they said that it was a kernel problem. I very carefully and nervously made a report to the kernel list (didn't want to get flamed for making a dumb newbie post to the kernel list). They said that it wasn't in the kernel, but a patch on top of the kernel by the distro devs and to go see whoever my distro was...damn...back at square one. After two months of trying (with a lot of effort
Re: [owncloud-user] Can not share calendars anymore
Hi, this is a problem of a external plugin so its probably better fixed there rather than documented in the ownCloud docs. -- View this message in context: http://owncloud.10557.n7.nabble.com/Can-not-share-calendars-anymore-tp14713p14716.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
[owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7
Given the complete ineptude of the whoever packages owncloud on the OpenSUSE builder for RHEL-6 I have build my own package to be included into EPEL-6 proper. It is just owncloud7, but that seems to work correctly with php53 which is what we have on RHEL-6. Particular bug is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1199486 (with link to Koji build). Best, Matěj ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7
Hi Matěj, On 06.03.2015 15:56, Matěj Cepl wrote: Given the complete ineptude of the whoever packages owncloud on the OpenSUSE builder for RHEL-6 I have build my own package to be included into EPEL-6 proper. It is just owncloud7, but that seems to work correctly with php53 which is what we have on RHEL-6. While I appreciate your efforts, I would like to remind you of our Code of Conduct (https://owncloud.org/community/code-of-conduct/). I think you're around Open Source projects long enough to know that insulting people is, for a good reason, frowned upon outside the realm of LKML. That said, I think whoever packages ownCloud on OBS would have appreciated a hint. A patch like this should be easy enough to integrate, but not obvious to someone who doesn't know all distributions and their RPM extensions by heart. So if the purpose of thise post was to be helpful, rather than just bashing OBS, please consider contributing to our packages next to the Koji ones. Cheers, Daniel -- www.owncloud.com - Your Data, Your Cloud, Your Way! ownCloud GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, Holger Dyroff Schloßäckerstrasse 26a, 90443 Nürnberg, HRB 28050 (AG Nürnberg) ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7
On 2015-03-07, 00:24 GMT, Chris wrote: see here for a description for the decision why to provide a OC8 package for system which doesn't ship PHP 5.4 by default: https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/13917#issuecomment-73052468 Well, I will stay with EPEL-6 packages and I'll hope to keep them running at least for some time. Couple of notes on idea staying with php54 from the Software Collections (official or not): * Requires: php54 (Software Collections are all based around the idea that two versions of packages should stay on the system, so its PHP package will never provide plain php) * You have to remind your users, that Apache cannot load two versions of mod_php at once, so if they want to have other packages depending on the system PHP53 they must somehow reconfigure them (probably using cgit?). I don't know about ngnix, but I guess the situation will be similar. Lovely to do it on the production system! There are certainly other disasters looming on the horizon. Best, Matěj ___ User mailing list User@owncloud.org http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/user
