--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:Is there an official binary driver policy for
DragonFly? I understand
:people want the fast GUI and stuff to work,
but giving in to the crap
:that companies push on the open source
community isn't acceptable in
:my opinion. Its just going
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Nearly all interrupts are run on cpu 0.
This isn't going to change
until the APIC interrupt routing
infrastructure is rewritten.
-Matt
I don't think that answers the question. It seems
--- Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When applying a constant load (v1.5.3-PREVIEW),
usage is categorized differently in UP mode
than
n SMP model.
In UP Mode
CPU-0 state: 0.00% user, 0.00% nice, 0.00%
sys, 32.14% intr, 67.86% idle
In SMP mode:
CPU-0 state: 0.00
--- Simon 'corecode' Schubert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.06.2006, at 16:41, Mark Cullen wrote:
I don't know if it is anything to be
concerned about, but I seem to be
seeing high interrupt CPU usage in top (at
least) when compiling
things...
ha! i reported the same, but never
--- Mark Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oliver Fromme wrote:
Mark Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Taken when the interrupt in top was at
22%, building world:
320 total
279 clk
37 fxp0
4 ata1
Taken when the interrupt in top was at 5%,
still building
I remember some chatter about cpustat but i don't
see it in 1.5.3-PREVIEW, and I don't see that top
shows the cpu breakdown. What's the status of
this, or what's the utility of choice for
monitoring the allocation of cpu resources?
DT
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Seemed appropriate. People that terminate threads
because they don't want to fix a problem in their
OS because its too much work deserve such.
Why can't he just admit that he broke something
that was fixed and it needs to be repaired,
rather than blaming it on chip manufacturers, and
somehow
--- Scott Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gergo Szakal wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:25:37 -0400
Scott Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott Ullrich wrote:
Gergo Szakal wrote:
FYI, the leader of m0n0wall, talking about
the feature of his OS
mentioned that DragonFlyBSD
--- Scott Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott Ullrich wrote:
Gergo Szakal wrote:
FYI, the leader of m0n0wall, talking about
the feature of his OS
mentioned that DragonFlyBSD is not even
taken into consideration by
him to base his system on, 'cause it's
'desktop oriented.'
--- W B Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Danial Thom wrote:
Same as always:
1) ALT-F2 (3, 4, etc.) before logging in.
2) Edit /etc/syslog.conf to send soem/all
console messages elsewhere
- after which (1) is no longer necessary.
Bill
Thats not really a solution
- you
.
I am also going to issue a public warning
to Danial Thom... this is
the third time in as many years that you
have seriously disrupted
our mailing lists and it tries even my
patience. If it happens a
fourth time you will be permanently banned
from our mailing lists
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:And the whole fanless, diskless moving parts
BS
:is just so stupid I can't stand it. Its like a
:bunch of college kids sitting around thinking
of
:things to complain about. The guy is using
crap
:hardware, stripped down os and has to put all
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:Uh, how do you get that? Clustering implies
:networking, and Matt has repeatedly stated
that
:he doesn't really care about network
performance.
:
:And clustering implies servers, which Matt has
:recently and repeatedly stated aren't his
--- Dmitri Nikulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/5/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- Matthew Dillon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:Uh, how do you get that? Clustering
implies
:networking, and Matt has repeatedly stated
that
:he doesn't really care about network
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:Thats not really a solution as I don't want a
:system thats processing 100s of interrupts per
:second for no reason. I previously reported
that
:these were gone, but now that I put another
card
:in the box (a dual port intel ethernet),
--- Vlad GALU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/3/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- Matthew Dillon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I couldn't have put it better myself.
Vis-a-vie network performance, my goal
for
DragonFly is to have 'good'
performance
Thats why you need a substantial staff to do what
you're attempting to do. Whats going to happen
when your customer base grows to beyond the 32
guys who think you're God?
You've clearly made the problem worse, and you'll
have to decide whether you want to fix it, or
have people reject using your
--- walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James Mansion wrote:
[...]
Actually I work in a rather large bank and I
write
trading systems...
The most important thing I've learned from
reading this
thread is that DragonFly continues to attract
attention
from an amazing variety of bright
Talk about wasting a lot of time! lol
--- Dmitri Nikulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/4/06, Ben Cadieux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
O_o
You guys sure waste a lot of time on trolls.
Too bad Danial didn't
post any official title, he's starting to
remind me of the Jerry
Taylor
--- James Mansion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A dual-core 2.6 Opteron is about US$1079.
whereas
a single core is about $460. So for about
$200.
more I can build 2 2.6Ghz systems that give me
a
lot more bang for my buck than 1 dual-core
system.
Well, the bleeding edge is always at a
--- Simon 'corecode' Schubert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 02.06.2006, at 01:32, Danial Thom wrote:
except it barfs pretty badly in DFLY. What's
the
trick?
just do it[tm]? works perfectly here.
besides, your error report
lacks major information, but I guess you know
that already
Just took a quick look at some ethernet drivers
in 1.5.3. Is there a write-up on how all this
serialization stuff works? I can't find anything
useful searching the lists.
DT
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--- walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Danial Thom wrote:
Just took a quick look at some ethernet
drivers
in 1.5.3. Is there a write-up on how all this
serialization stuff works?...
Does this help any? (I don't pretend to
understand it...)
http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive
My tech tried firing up 1.4 on an opteron MB with
an HT1000 chipset and, although it seems to work,
the console is literally flooding with stray irq
7 messages. Freebsd at least suppressed these
after a few, but when is someone actually going
to FIX this in BSD? Someone told me years ago
that this
--- Erik Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 2006-06-01 15:49, Danial Thom wrote:
My tech tried firing up 1.4 on an opteron MB
with
an HT1000 chipset and, although it seems to
work,
the console is literally flooding with stray
irq
7 messages. Freebsd at least suppressed
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A flood of stray irq 7 messages is
typically indicative of a BIOS
SMP configuration problem. It usually
means that the PIC is sending
EXT interrupt acknowledgement requests to
several cpus at once (or
to one dual-core cpu),
OK, it seems that enabling the printer got rid of
the messages. We usually disable the printer port
and remove the printer device and it seems that
DFLY doesn't like that too much.
DT
--- Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Matthew Dillon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A flood
--- Simon 'corecode' Schubert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01.06.2006, at 20:42, Danial Thom wrote:
OK, it seems that enabling the printer got
rid of
the messages. We usually disable the printer
port
and remove the printer device and it seems
that
DFLY doesn't like that too much
--- James Mansion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I guess I should have qualified my question.
If
you're pushing less than 100Kb/s then there's
really no reason to spend 3X the dollars on a
multi-core system. So the only real value of
an
As of NOW, the price differential between a
single
Ok, since the beginning of time, the following
has worked in every known unix:
/* hello_world.c */
#include /usr/include/stdio.h
main()
{
printf(hello world\n);
}
cc -o hello_world hello_world.c
except it barfs pretty badly in DFLY. What's the
trick?
DT
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Er. Well, if I were talking about today I
would be talking about today.
I'm talking about the near-future, 2-3
years from now. It would be the
height of stupidity to have programming
goals that only satisfy the
needs of today.
--- Kevin L. Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, 2-3 years tops, and there won't be
any more single-core offerings
from AMD or Intel. Probably not even for
laptops.
This is really already happening, ALL of
Apple's new latops are dual
core only and the only single core Intel
--- Justin C. Sherrill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 11:20 am, Danial Thom
wrote:
I guess I should have qualified my question.
If
you're pushing less than 100Kb/s then there's
really no reason to spend 3X the dollars on a
multi-core system. So the only real value
--- walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Danial Thom wrote:
--- Simon 'corecode' Schubert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David wrote:
So. What are those of us with Nvidia cards
to
do?...
I wonder if the open source weenies will ever
figure it out?
They made a business decision
--- Simon 'corecode' Schubert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 16.02.2006, at 01:42, Danial Thom wrote:
So. What are those of us with Nvidia cards
to
do? Install a different
video card?
- use text console or
- use xorg with vesa or nv driver
- don't use 3d accellerated stuff
--- Bryan Berch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want to get a wireless network set-up in my
house using my gateway
box. Can any one give me a good choice in a
wireless network card for
my desktop box or is there a better way to do
it?
If the network card route is fine, can there be
an
--- Bob Bagwill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just in case you haven't seen this site:
http://stephenville.tamu.edu/~fmitchel/dragonfly/index.html
--
Bob
Its clear that Linux' substantial marketing lead
over 'BSD is their choice of a cute, cuddly
mascot in favor of the devilish/spiked
--- Erik P. Skaalerud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Jose timofonic wrote:
I know my PCI ethernet sucks, but I don't
have money
for a good one ATM, but if not other
solution, I will
buy one when having enough money for it.
Please say me
a great PCI one (3COM?).
Any new 3com or
--- Justin C. Sherrill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, January 17, 2006 5:03 am, Steve
O'Hara-Smith wrote:
nitpick)USENET has been around since 1980 -
NNTP is just a
transport protocol for it/nitpick
How was the material in USENET slung around
before there was NNTP?
--- Martin P. Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Danial Thom wrote:
--- Martin P. Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
cut all
Okay so when your the expert on practical
implementation, what do you
make of the surfnet internet2 test results
(they did actually test
current
Why won't you answer any questions or provide
details of your ideas? I keep asking, but you
never actually say anything.
--- Martin P. Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Danial Thom wrote:
cut
Are you related to Edgar Allan Poe by some
chance?
I'm not sure I know which topic you're
troll targeting a lot.
If you really think
Matt is right, or people who agree with his
viewpoints, then do
provide some numbers and we will take it from
there.
Kind Regards,
--
Hiten Pandya
hmp at dragonflybsd.org
Danial Thom wrote:
I, on the other hand, have made millions
--- Erik Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 2005-12-02 19:16, Danial Thom wrote:
All of the empirical evidence points to Matt
being wrong. If you still can't accept that
then
DFLY is more of a religion than a project,
which
is damn shame.
DT
Since I don't know anything
--- Martin P. Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
cut
What do you think the
switch is going to do with the traffic? Its
going
to dump it.
The only argument you gave is false, read the
full specs of any modern
switch (ie all 1Gb switches)
--
mph
If I relied on specs for my info
--- Martin P. Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
cut all
Okay so when your the expert on practical
implementation, what do you
make of the surfnet internet2 test results
(they did actually test
current normal hardware too) that prove your
practical hypothesis
wrong? Or do you just deny
regards,
--
Hiten Pandya
hmp at dragonflybsd.org
Danial Thom wrote:
You obviously have forgotten the original
premise
of this (which is how do we get past the
wall
of UP networking performance), and you also
obviously have no practical experience with
heavily utilized network
--- Marko Zec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 30 November 2005 16:18, Danial
Thom wrote:
--- Hiten Pandya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marko Zec wrote:
Should we be really that pessimistic
about
potential MP performance,
even with two NICs only? Typically
packet
--- Marko Zec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 01 December 2005 22:19, Danial Thom
wrote:
I see you haven't done much empirical
testing;
the assumption that all is well because
intel
has it all figured out is not a sound one.
Interrupt moderation is given but at some
point
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:...
:wall a lot sooner with MP than with UP,
because
:you have to get back to the ring, no matter
what
:the intervals are, before they wrap. As you
:increase the intervals (and thus decrease the
:ints/second) you'll lose even more packets,
It seems most of the banter for the past few
months is userland related. What is the state of
the kernel in terms of DP/MP kernel performance?
Has any work been done or is DFLY still in the
cleaning up stages? I'm still desparately seeking
a good reason to move to Dual-core processors
DT
--- Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:It seems most of the banter for the past few
:months is userland related. What is the state
of
:the kernel in terms of DP/MP kernel
performance?
:Has any work been done or is DFLY still in the
:cleaning up stages? I'm still desparately
--- Steve Shorter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:15:55AM -0800,
Matthew Dillon wrote:
:What kind of benefits would be realized
for
:systems being used primary as a
router/bridge,
:given that its almost 100% kernel usage?
:
:DT
Routing packets doesn't
--- Toma¾ Bor¹tnar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I took some time to play with a machine and
test ubench scores on it for few OS. Machine is
AMD64/939 3000+ with 2GB RAM
(dual-channel).
I took ubench, because it does not deal with
systems other than CPU and memory which usually
says
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