Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

2011-09-10 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-10, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: planas [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com] wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 21:51 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 09:27 -0700, NoOp wrote: Really? I see nothing hidden here:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress: Problems with slides imported from Powerpoint

2011-09-10 Thread e-letter
On 09/09/2011, mlevison m...@mlevison.com wrote: ... Is this is a common problem. I'm at the point of just asking my client to pay for MS office licenses because it will be cheaper than the time I'm spending on this. Classic cost benefit analysis. In this case the business opportunity is to

Re: [libreoffice-users] 48 hours plus

2011-09-10 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)  Gmane does often have problems with LibreOffice and it's not clear why or which end is the problem.  Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 9/9/11, David H. Lipman dlip...@verizon.net wrote: From: David H. Lipman dlip...@verizon.net Subject: [libreoffice-users] 48 hours plus To:

Re: [libreoffice-users] table deletion. save text

2011-09-10 Thread Brian Barker
At 21:12 09/09/2011 -0700, Ronly Donly Jonly wrote: In a lot of my stories, old and new, LibreOffice thinks they are tables; ... Are you sure? I have tried to put the cursor into the top left corner of the box and 'table delete.' That would also delete the content of any tables - not what

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress: Problems with slides imported from Powerpoint

2011-09-10 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-10, Tom wrote: Dual-booting or multi-booting is one good option. Another would be to use a virtual machine. Win98 might even be fine in a virtual machine on fairly low-spec physical machines. Mostly legacy stuff opens just fine in LibreOffice. Win98 is lightweight and is fine

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Do LO installers have Java Runtime?

2011-09-10 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
OpenJDK is back up, and here is the link for version 6 build 21. This is the place where the OpenJDK had Windows installers, but is shows Linux and Mac Intel installers as well. The OpenJDK site shows how to install in Linux via the repositories. http://openscg.org/se/openjdk/index.jsp

[libreoffice-users] table format problem with attached file

2011-09-10 Thread Russell Wilson
mug user self -- interested in source of problem, and future utility of lo doesn't work properly in OO 3.3 or Abi student so interested in cheap, FUNCTIONAL, sw attached is in common use at local hospital - MS corporate user russell new zealand From: Tom

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Twayne
In news:1910892523-1315498044-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807574881-@b2.c1.bise7.blackberry, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com typed: Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you need to give people benefit of doubt too (like in my case ... I'm mobile and the mail app on

[libreoffice-users] Re: 48 hours plus

2011-09-10 Thread David H. Lipman
From: Mahesh T Pai paiva...@gmail.com David H. Lipman dlip...@verizon.net writes: Its been 48 hpours plus since I tried top post to; gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user And it STILL has not arrived !! Gmane asks you for a one time confirmation email for each group you

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Onyeibo Oku
I do appreciate your calling me lazy sir. Thanks - from twohot@device.mobile :) -Original Message- From: Twayne twa...@twaynesdomain.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:59:48 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org

Re: [libreoffice-users] Do LO installers have Java Runtime?

2011-09-10 Thread David B Teague sr
On 9/10/2011 12:53 AM, planas wrote: David On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 23:32 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote: I run W7 64 bit, 4 gig RAM. jre-6u19-windows-i586-s.exe I have three questions: Do I want to install LO 3.4.3 or LO 3.3.4? SNIP Many thanks for your useful and informative response. Then

Re: [libreoffice-users] Do LO installers have Java Runtime?

2011-09-10 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
On 09/10/2011 11:30 AM, David B Teague sr wrote: On 9/10/2011 12:53 AM, planas wrote: David On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 23:32 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote: I run W7 64 bit, 4 gig RAM. jre-6u19-windows-i586-s.exe I have three questions: Do I want to install LO 3.4.3 or LO 3.3.4? SNIP Many

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 48 hours plus

2011-09-10 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi David, David H. Lipman wrote (10-09-11 16:21) How do you think this post was made ? Or the posts I made in JRE older installs - Windows - now online - no need for Oracle account ? Your posts to the users-list come in the moderation cue. Each of your posts ask help of the volunteers to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Do LO installers have Java Runtime?

2011-09-10 Thread David B Teague sr
On 9/10/2011 11:52 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: I keep hearing that the newer version may be slower to do the work. As for version 7, I have not used it. Linux version appear to use OpenJDK instead of the normal Oracle JRE. They have it part of their repositories, but

Re: [libreoffice-users] odf purists mailing list request

2011-09-10 Thread Tim Deaton
On 9/9/2011 3:48 PM, e-letter wrote: Readers, Analogous to the creation of LO, it is time to consider an odf purists mailing list for users such as yours truly who are tired of the m$ groupies yearning for a free m$ clone. Is there a formal procedure to request for the creation of a new

Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Preston Smith
Amen Dennis! I do the same as you. I look at the most recent post in the thread - if top posted I make a call if I want to read any of the thread - if bottom posted I have to hit Ctl - end to get to the bottom of the message or scroll through way too many reply brackets to get to the bottom

[libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request

2011-09-10 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 10.09.2011 18:37, Tim Deaton wrote: Personally, I want LO to be able to do everything MS Office 97 did, and mostly the way MS Office 97 did it - but that works well on current operating systems. Such a program would be rather useless without a free file format. -- For unsubscribe

Re: [libreoffice-users] odf purists mailing list request

2011-09-10 Thread planas
HI On Sat, 2011-09-10 at 12:37 -0400, Tim Deaton wrote: On 9/9/2011 3:48 PM, e-letter wrote: Readers, Analogous to the creation of LO, it is time to consider an odf purists mailing list for users such as yours truly who are tired of the m$ groupies yearning for a free m$ clone.

Re: [libreoffice-users] odf purists mailing list request

2011-09-10 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-10, Tim Deaton wrote: On 9/9/2011 3:48 PM, e-letter wrote: [...] who are tired of the m$ groupies yearning for a free m$ clone. [...] Personally, I want LO to be able to do everything MS Office 97 did, and mostly the way MS Office 97 did it - but that works well on current

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 05:43:28PM +0100, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote: How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. I asked one

[libreoffice-users] Anyone else having trouble with the OOo templates site?

2011-09-10 Thread Anthony Papillion
I'm trying to download a few templates from the OOo templates site and getting constant connection resets. Every time I click on something there it resets the connection and I have to click try again three or four times before it loads. This is the ONLY site it's happening on. Anyone else

Re: [libreoffice-users] Anyone else having trouble with the OOo templates site?

2011-09-10 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) OpenOffice sites seems really badly intermittent.  Some Extensions have been copied to LibreOffice/TDF servers and it would be great to do soemthing similar for OpenOffice.org templates too.  Might it be possible to upload some to the wiki? Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 10/9/11,

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request

2011-09-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
An odf-purists lists might be interesting though I am not sure how one discerns what it means to be odf-pure, as opposed to OpenOffice-pure. Maybe it is about OpenOffice purism, where use of the native ODF Open ... and Save As ... is handled. No opening by clicking on .doc/.docx files, etc.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Anyone else having trouble with the OOo templates site?

2011-09-10 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-10, Anthony Papillion wrote: I'm trying to download a few templates from the OOo templates site and getting constant connection resets. Every time I click on something there it resets the connection and I have to click try again three or four times before it loads. This is the ONLY

[libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Anthony Papillion
I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how to save in Microsoft format as opposed to .odf.

[libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Subject lines - another gripe...

2011-09-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Nuno J. Silva, Am 2011-09-08 23:16:42, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: - I guess this fails with encoded subjects (non-ASCII), but that's an issue with procmail itself that I have yet to solve. Mostly ist is enough, ich you take the first 10-15 characters of the encoded string ;-)

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Onyeibo Oku
Makes sense but u need to be able to reach others. I think the edge is in supporting a broader range of options not just the vendors. Those moving to opensource solutions need an air of security that they are not isolated from the rest of the world -

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

2011-09-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think there is a misunderstanding. The material at the Microsoft site does not include copies of the patents, not even the identifiers for patents. Reading the specification of a format is going to tell you nothing about how implementing something according to those specifications might

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 10/09/2011 20:28, Anthony Papillion wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how

[libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request

2011-09-10 Thread Andreas Säger
1) ODF zealots do not help anybody to dare the switch. 2) A pure MS Office clone would not help anybody to solve the most severe problem with proprietary software. That is the factual co-ownership on your own data. Therefore it would be rather useless. It would waste thousands of man hours for

RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Which formats to you consider to still be secret? Microsoft has provided free-to-the-public, downloadable specifications for a great number of formats and protocols. Have you checked the lists of those? [I am not objecting to the plug-in strategy either way, just wondering whether secrecy

[libreoffice-users] Re: table format problem with attached file

2011-09-10 Thread Tom
Hi :) It's always a bit tricky trying to get used to a different forum or mailing list. This list can't cope with attachments so it might be easier to use the Nabble-forum's More Options to 'upload' the file. It's worth noting that the list is accessible to the general public so be careful to

Re: [libreoffice-users] table format problem with attached file

2011-09-10 Thread Tom Davies
--- On Sat, 10/9/11, Russell Wilson russwilso...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Russell Wilson russwilso...@yahoo.com.au Subject: [libreoffice-users] table format problem with attached file To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 10 September, 2011, 13:18 mug

Re: [libreoffice-users] Read Error for Graphics

2011-09-10 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Which formats are you using to save documents in?  Are you saving as .docx?  That's the one that usually causes problems.  The older .doc for Word 98/2000/Xp is usually ok and probably the best if you need to share the document with other people that use MS Office.  Otherwise it might be

RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Anthony Papillion
Hi Dennis, While I haven't looked at the list, I'd have to guess that the entirety of the MSO file formats probably isn't documented since we don't have 100% MSO compatibility in any open source office suite. Microsoft has done a good job of opening up a lot of their specifications, but there

[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with LibreOffice.org 3.4.3

2011-09-10 Thread KäptnHook . de
Hi Tom, thanks a lot, your http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426 suggestion helped me to workaround the ...[context=user]...-error. Let me please give a quick summary: 1. go to your Home directory 2. rename the directory named .libreoffice, so LibreOfice

[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with LibreOffice.org 3.4.3

2011-09-10 Thread Tom
Hi :) It was Thomas JK that gave the link. It's really useful because it gives the default path for 'all' OSes, or at least the main platforms so i copypasted the link to help in other threads. Good work, thanks for letting us know how you solved the problem. Hopefully that might help someone

[libreoffice-users] help making text fill a page

2011-09-10 Thread James
I've been struggling with getting it to fill a page. Maybe someone else can look at it and figure out how to make page 2 start on page 1 (First Page). Physically I want 'Cover' page style (as page 1), 'First Page' style (as page 2), 'Default' page style (as pages 3+). Logically I want page 1,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Spencer Graves
This question was studied in considerable detail by Carl Shapiro and Hal Varian (1998) Information rules: a strategic guide to the network economy (Harvard U. Pr.). In brief, Shapiro and Varian say that organizations with a small market share need to make the effort to make it as easy as

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
To be honest, MSO is not going to go away. So the question would be if you want LO to be able to be used in the modern office environment? I remember when OOo did not read .doc files. No one wanted to use it [among my group of people] if it could not read/write MSO files. When OOo was

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Do LO installers have Java Runtime?

2011-09-10 Thread David B Teague sr
On 9/10/2011 8:59 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: OpenJDK is back up, and here is the link for version 6 build 21. This is the place where the OpenJDK had Windows installers, but is shows Linux and Mac Intel installers as well. The OpenJDK site shows how to install in

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Do LO installers have Java Runtime?

2011-09-10 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-10, David B Teague sr wrote: On 9/10/2011 8:59 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: OpenJDK is back up, and here is the link for version 6 build 21. [...] http://openscg.org/se/openjdk/index.jsp In the tutorial for Windows installation, I am given this last line,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request

2011-09-10 Thread Tim Deaton
On 9/10/2011 2:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: An odf-purists lists might be interesting though I am not sure how one discerns what it means to be odf-pure, as opposed to OpenOffice-pure. Maybe it is about OpenOffice purism, where use of the native ODF Open ... and Save As ... is handled.

Re: [libreoffice-users] help making text fill a page

2011-09-10 Thread James
On 09/10/11 19:19, Brian Barker wrote: At 17:36 10/09/2011 -0400, James wrote: I've been struggling with getting it to fill a page. Maybe someone else can look at it and figure out how to make page 2 start on page 1 (First Page). Physically I want 'Cover' page style (as page 1), 'First

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 48 hours plus

2011-09-10 Thread James
On 09/10/11 12:17, David H. Lipman wrote: From: Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl Hi David, David H. Lipman wrote (10-09-11 16:21) How do you think this post was made ? Or the posts I made in JRE older installs - Windows - now online - no need for Oracle account ? Your posts to the users-list