Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-30 Thread libreoffice-ml . mbourne
charles.schulz wrote: Hello, On 30 janvier 2015 11:50:02 CET, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Charles-H. Schulz: that either Windows 8.1 or some setting peculiar to some systems create a very bad experience when installing software... It is LO misconfigured Apache server which assigns

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-30 Thread libreoffice-ml . mbourne
Mike Scott wrote: On 30/01/15 19:41, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: It looks like I was a bit quick to blame IE. It turns out it's 1 of the 3 mirrors in the UK which is misbehaving. Doesn't affect other browsers, as they seem to just use the .msi extension from the download URI,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-30 Thread Mike Scott
On 30/01/15 19:41, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: It looks like I was a bit quick to blame IE. It turns out it's 1 of the 3 mirrors in the UK which is misbehaving. Doesn't affect other browsers, as they seem to just use the .msi extension from the download URI, whereas IE uses the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-30 Thread libreoffice-ml . mbourne
It looks like I was a bit quick to blame IE. It turns out it's 1 of the 3 mirrors in the UK which is misbehaving. Doesn't affect other browsers, as they seem to just use the .msi extension from the download URI, whereas IE uses the Content-Type header returned by the server and changes the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) The problem with that is that Internet Explorer is usually completely fine with it. Most Windows users that i have met would be scared of trying anything that might be difficult to download with Internet Explorer. To be fair most them wouldn't have a clue how to install anything anyway and

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-30 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello, On 30 janvier 2015 11:50:02 CET, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Charles-H. Schulz: that either Windows 8.1 or some setting peculiar to some systems create a very bad experience when installing software... It is LO misconfigured Apache server which assigns 'application/x-troff-man'

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/01/15 08:34, Philip Jordan wrote: In some answer to Jonathan's Windows 8.1 queries I'm not really competent to answer them BUT IF you don't know which edition of Win8.1 nor which localization of Win 8.1 you are using, then who does know?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 29/01/15 17:10, jonathon wrote: My guess is that one of the crippleware versions of Win 8.1 was installed, Err there AREN'T any crippleware versions of Windows 8.1 Where on earth did you get that from? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread Philip Jordan
In some answer to Jonathan's Windows 8.1 queries I'm not really competent to answer them BUT As I've said I live in the UK to that fact that the Machine is a Toshiba Laptop can I add that it was bought a month ago i.e. with presumably uptodate Software On 28 January 2015 at 21:14, jonathon

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread Philip Jordan
Thanks Tom Can I say I think you have the picture! Meanwhile, I'll continue to look @ Ubantu etc as helpfully set out by Gordon I'll also *maybe* look at taking my Laptop back to Staples, where I got it a month ago Thanks again Philip Jordan On 29 January 2015 at 09:46, Tom Davies

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Yeh, the 40mins does kinda assume that downloads all work correctly and that you have some experience of doing it so that you don't have to stop and read everything and maybe even do a bit of research to check the accuracy or background of the various things that crop up. We could help you

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I think that just installing Firefox or some other web-browser (people seem to like Chrome these days) and LibreOffice deals with most of the problems. I'm not saying the Internet Explorer and MS Office are all bad all the time. I use both quite often myself. I try to avoid them but they

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread Philip Jordan
Thanks Gordon That's very helpful Philip PS FWIW I know you were replying to what someone else said but that person probably should not have introduced this C word as it could be that it use contravenes human rights etc - bit like Benedict saying what he did recently?! On 29 January 2015 at

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread libreoffice-ml . mbourne
Microsoft do seem to make things difficult... First their web browser changes the .msi extension to .man, which their operating system doesn't understand, and then their file browser hides the extension making it difficult to correct! That has come up on this list before, and your earlier

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-29 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/01/15 17:14, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Err there AREN'T any crippleware versions of Windows 8.1 Microsoft doesn't talk about it much, but even they inadvertently called one of those editions crippled. They usually use a much more

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Ahah. I think we are stumbling into finding out what is going wrong at last! :) Many people have more than 1 web-browser and i think that is really the best way forwards. There are arguments about which is the best so having more than one means you get the best of at least 2 worlds. I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Philip Jordan
Thanks, but I'm not sure that exactly solves my problem! Nor for that matter does it exonerate LibreOffice e.g. why can't they save everyones time by saying at the outset that their software only downloads via certain browsers /or how come I never had such problems with any other downloads?!

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Dear Philip, For some reason this thread of discussion does not seem to help and I must confess that it is not clear to me what problem you're doing through aside that you're struggling at the download/installation phase. Would you mind following the steps below and tell us the outcome? As a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 28/01/15 17:06, Philip Jordan wrote: how long to do what where when etc please ref Ubuntu.? here's the definitive guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:All#Dual-Booting_Windows_and_Ubuntu There's a lot of information on that page. In Brief: 1. Ensure you have a Windows Recovery

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 28/01/15 17:27, Tom Davies wrote: Of course MS are unlikely to be happy about people finding out that the alternatives are not only better but are also often free so they apparently put a lot of work into trying to prevent people from staying outside their eco-system. So how soon will the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
There is some major work going on on this. We have a viewer in beta version. But we aim this year to get an editor and viewer version released. Right now we need to develop and improve our base system first. Best, Charles. On 28 janvier 2015 18:35:40 CET, Gordon Burgess-Parker

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28/01/15 15:49, Philip Jordan wrote: I'm using an almost new Toshiba Laptop with Windows 8.1 What edition of Windows 8.1 are you using? What localization of Windows 8.1 are you using? jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Dear Philip, Forgive me to answer before Stuart but do you mean to say that you followed the link and ended up with downloading a file with a .man extension at its end? I have just tried your link and got a file with a .msi ,which is a very common form of Windows Installer. By the way, what

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Philip Jordan
Dear Charles I'm sure I've covered this before, but: I'm using an almost new Toshiba Laptop with Windows 8.1 though I followed Stuarts instruction/link in downloading the file with the msi end it said man on the Laptop after this was done - or does that mean I failed to replace the existing

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Dear Philip, Sorry for the question on your laptop; it does explain why there is such as thing as an App Store. It also seems to explain what you're going through. On our other community support venue, somebody else reported exactly the same problem one month ago:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Philip Jordan
Thanks though I'll do what you say, it must be emphasized that as far as I can tell more than once, I downloaded from the site you show on Sunday I did this as the link from Computer active didn't work too, I only went to Microsoft for an Icon as my laptop refused to install the software by

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Philip Jordan
Thanks V Stuart I've followed your instruction to be very specific it meant I downloaded from this link http://mirror.catn.com/pub/tdf/libreoffice/stable/4.3.5/win/x86/LibreOffice_4.3.5_Win_x86.msi (gb, prio 100) So far so good - incidentally an exact replica of file resulted/replacing like

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I'm not sure why you are having a problem downloading LibreOffice, nor why you are apparently only getting a small chunk of it, nor why you haven't been this unlucky before. There are too many factors to explore. Have you tried rebooting the router? Are you using a wireless connection or

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Philip Jordan
Thanks Charles FWIW it's at least good to know it's not just me too, I'd like to tell ComputerActive about this as not only did their current edition feature a good i.e. favourable LO review BUT TOO they're currently running stuff on how to use Windows 8.1 - given all the trouble But too,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
The installation file would be the file you downloaded, the one that changed from .msi to .man. True enough I should not need to tell you all these details about compatibility and so on and so forth, but it seems that either Windows 8.1 or some setting peculiar to some systems create a very

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 28/01/15 15:43, Philip Jordan wrote: Thanks though I'll do what you say, it must be emphasized that as far as I can tell more than once, I downloaded from the site you show on Sunday I did this as the link from Computer active didn't work too, I only went to Microsoft for an Icon as my

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Philip Jordan
Brilliant - well your reply is Gordon - but as to W 8.1: I'm bereft of suitable words! On 28 January 2015 at 16:40, Gordon Burgess-Parker gordonb...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/01/15 15:43, Philip Jordan wrote: Thanks though I'll do what you say, it must be emphasized that as far as I can

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Philip Jordan
Thanks Gordon Tom I'm afraid that the 40 minutes suggested is rather more than a tad optmistic e.g. Items 1-5 inc will each take me some considerable time i.e. they all involve me far beyond my comfort zone! But thanks for trying to help ATB Philip Jordan On 28 January 2015 at 17:33,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 28/01/15 16:51, Philip Jordan wrote: - but as to W 8.1: I'm bereft of suitable words! then do what I did - dual-boot Ubuntu :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Philip Jordan
how long to do what where when etc please ref Ubuntu.? I mean I know I'm retired but my use for IT is as support ref life i.e. not taking over what remains of my life!! All the best thanks On 28 January 2015 at 16:53, Gordon Burgess-Parker gordonb...@gmail.com

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-28 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) It is kinda overkill to install Ubuntu purely for this issue. On the other hand it would free you from the sorts of problems you seem to dislike about Windows generally. You don't need to constantly keep buying new things so often and new computers every couple of years just in order to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday

2015-01-27 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) @ Ann. ComputerActive is a magazine about IT. People in the UK tend to only know 1 language. For most it's some variant of English. For others it might be some other language. Some of the ones who only speak English sometimes get all obnoxious and demand the rest somehow magically