Re: [libreoffice-users] Question

2011-02-04 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

The documentation team  ODFauthors are working very hard to get the various 
types of documentation completed.  If anyone can spare time to help them it 
would be very much appreciated.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)







From: MR ZenWiz mrzen...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 4 February, 2011 4:19:47
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:04 PM, MR ZenWiz mrzen...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net wrote:
 Le 2011-02-03 21:49, MR ZenWiz a écrit :

 This is the first time I've tried to use help in LO, and YUCK!

 What is so wrong with having a genuine local help file for the
 LibreOffice Help button and a separate web help item, even if that's
 the default?

 I don't dislike a lot of features that are supposed to provide help,
 but I absolutely detest a local help button that kicks off a browser
 to an online site.

 Civilized words fail me.

 Cold it be related to Java or the lack thereof?
 I have LibreOffice (final version) on an XP system here and on a Windows 7
 64-bit system at the office, and in both cases, all I get is a *local* help
 file. I see no options to look for an online help nor any preference that
 would allow me to switch to online help

 I also have the latest Java ((r.23) installed on my computers.

 It gets worse.  On my desktop (Ubuntu 10.10), when I try to use the
 Help function in Writer, it opens a new window which looks like a nice
 text box for local help, then LO crashes.


#
# A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
#
#  SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x7fc23634f2e4, pid=5099, tid=140472896546560
#
# JRE version: 6.0_20-b20
# Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (19.0-b09 mixed mode linux-amd64
compressed oops)
# Derivative: IcedTea6 1.9.4
# Distribution: Ubuntu 10.10, package 6b20-1.9.4-0ubuntu1
# Problematic frame:
# C  [libucpchelp1.so+0x462e4]
#
# An error report file with more information is saved as:
# /home/mar/hs_err_pid5099.log
#
# If you would like to submit a bug report, please include
# instructions how to reproduce the bug and visit:
#  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/
#

[error occurred during error reporting , id 0xb]

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Scroll (Up Down) crash LIBREOFFICE

2011-02-04 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 03 febbraio 2011 alle ore 16:11:18, jesawyers  
j...@sawyersnet.com ha scritto:



I wanted to give more information on this problem (i.e. scroll crashing
libreOffice) because I am having the same problem with a document.  Here  
is
the error I'm getting when scrolling through the attached document and  
get

to page 5.
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n2414446/libreOffice_Error.bmp
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n2414446/MA77950_MH_Kettle_GS_Addendum-Rev_A_SFK.doc


I can reproduce it in both .odf and .doc format with this document.

Indeed, I have even found a different expression of this bug: goto the  
last text line of page 4 and the go down into page 5 by using the keyboard  
down arrow. LibreOffice *freezes* but doesn't crash on my system.


When this happens, I can move the scroll bar up and down with the mouse  
wheel, but the document content is just freezed.


Maybe it's time to open a bug and to attach the offending document to it:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi

Regards,

Gianluca
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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Robert,

Before I get to my responses, some comments.

I'm going to write my comments in blue.  I don't know if the color will be
retained as the message goes through the system, but if it does, it will
make it easier to know which of my comments are for this submission.

As Strother Martin said in Cool Hand Luke, What we have here is a failure
to communicate.  After reading some of your responses, if I understand your
responses correctly, that is what we have.  I wrote text that I intended to
be interpreted with meaning A, but you interpreted the text with meaning B.
Not an unusual circumstance, it happens all the time.

Which reminds me of a bit if history I watched unfold many years ago.  I had
just gotten my computer online, and this was in the days when my shiny new
1200 baud modem was state of the art.  No web, no Internet, Bulletin Board
Systems ruled the world!   :-)

I was following a thread when Tom posted a message.  Dick wrote a
reply.  When I read it, I said to myself, S**T!  It's going to it the fan
now.  Dick wrote a reply that I knew what his meaning was, but I also knew
that Tom would likely place a different meaning on it.  And Tom did just
that.  The thread turned into a huge flame war that really wasn't necessary.

I'm not here to have a flame war, just an honest discussion.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:

 On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 01:44:15PM -0700, Ken Springer wrote:
  Hi  , Tom,
 
  Likewise, I used to encourage the use of open source software also.  And
 on
  a personal level, I always try to find an open source program for my use.
 
  And my issue is not with the software itself.  Even though my impression
 is
  the software is sometimes slightly buggier, the problems seem to be when
  using advanced functions.  And a function I don't think the average user
 is
  likely to attempt.
 
  It's user support where things fall flat on it's face.  I only have one
  person in my family and friends who would even have a clue as to how to
  utilize a mailing list.  It's way too cumbersome and clunky for the
 people I
  know.  Even I had trouble figuring this one out!  LOL

 That's hard to believe. Mailing lists are dead simple assuming the
 ability to read with comprehension. You're only correct if your
 definition of user support is individual personal hand holding.


Reading with comprehension is not universal.  That's why IQ tests can be
structured so some groups do better than others based on history and
experience.  As such, I no longer believe in them.  You may read something
and know exactly what is being said, another person may not.

Just a little reading test for fun, what does the following phrase mean?
Offer the bearing unto the shell.  No cheating by using Google, please.
LOL  It's a reading comprehension test solely for fun, OK?  It means
nothing.  And let me know how long it took you, or anyone else reading this,
to figure it out.

And another thing I've learned over the years, never proofread your own
writing!  LMAO


 
  There are a lot of users out there, I believe, that could make use of
 open
  source software, but these people usually don't even understand
  directories/folders, partitioning, the very basics of using a computer.
  When I start to talk to them about disk cleanup and defragging (Windows),
  you should see the blank faces I encounter.  :-)

 Little of this is necessary to use the GUI (graphical user interface).


As I wrote in another post, any particular GUI is not universally intuitive
to everyone.



 
  But surprisingly, some of them have figured out how to use forums.  Even
  thought a lot of the forums have very nice editors, the fourms seem to be
  lousy when it comes to instructions on how to use the editor.  The Open
  Office forum editor has the /list commands, but how my average people
 will
  know anything about using HTML commands?

 What HTML commands are needed to use an editor?


If you go to the full editor in the Open Office forums, you'll find the
following commands listed across the top of the reply window:  Code, List,
List=, Img, Table=, Aligntable=, etc.  When you click the button, the
formatting is essentially like using HTML.  I've always believed this just
to be a customized version/offshoot of HTML, if you will, and modified so it
doesn't interfere with regular HTML code.

I will admit I could be wrong about that, but I believe the observation
still stands, how is the average user supposed to easily understand how to
implement those codes?

The Survival Guide mentioned at the top of the page mentions nothing about
the formatting buttons I listed, nor anything about the meaning of the
smilies.  I've used text smilies for years, yet I still don't know what all
of the various text smilies or graphical smilies mean.

And in my personal opinion, Gmail has some of the worst graphical smilies
ever created!   LOL




  I will own up to not looking for
  instructions, but there's also no link to 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Basic: VBA ActiveSheet errors after saving xls to *.ods

2011-02-04 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

Macros in LibreOffice/OpenOffice are written in a very much different format 
than the Excel ones.  Excel macros have been know to spread malware and some 
offices disable them by default.  


Regards from
Tom :)





From: 4logon 4lo...@mailinator.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 3 February, 2011 21:36:40
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Basic: VBA ActiveSheet errors after saving 
xls to *.ods


hi,

i have a small Excel sheet with a simple  VBA makro inside. If I execute it
with Libre-Calc everything works fine... . When I save the Excel file as
LibreOffice File *.ods the VBA script failed at the line:

..
  Set tmpTable = ActiveSheet
or 
  workSheetName = ActiveSheet.Name
...

I think this is a BUG!!!- ActiveSheet is no longer present after saving
Excel file to LibreOfficeCalc file!!!
Any idea???

code:

Option VBASupport 1
Sub Main
 Dim workSheetName As String
 workSheetName = ActiveSheet.Name
 ' and do on..
End Sub
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Scroll (Up Down) crash LIBREOFFICE

2011-02-04 Thread Manel León

Grazie mille Gianluca ... auguri.

Thanks for open the BUG. Warms regards.

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El 04/02/2011 9:07, Gianluca Turconi escribió:
In data 03 febbraio 2011 alle ore 16:11:18, jesawyers 
j...@sawyersnet.com ha scritto:



I wanted to give more information on this problem (i.e. scroll crashing
libreOffice) because I am having the same problem with a document.  
Here is
the error I'm getting when scrolling through the attached document 
and get

to page 5.
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n2414446/libreOffice_Error.bmp
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n2414446/MA77950_MH_Kettle_GS_Addendum-Rev_A_SFK.doc 



I can reproduce it in both .odf and .doc format with this document.

Indeed, I have even found a different expression of this bug: goto 
the last text line of page 4 and the go down into page 5 by using the 
keyboard down arrow. LibreOffice *freezes* but doesn't crash on my 
system.


When this happens, I can move the scroll bar up and down with the 
mouse wheel, but the document content is just freezed.


Maybe it's time to open a bug and to attach the offending document to it:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi

Regards,

Gianluca


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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Ken Springer snows...@dishmail.net wrote:
 Hi, Robert,

way too long to include

Do the words Edit your replies to leave out what isn't relevant mean
anything in this discussion?

You do know that this stuff is all archived and therefore need NOT be
included in every single reply, right?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Question

2011-02-04 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, 

Cliff, you hijacked a thread (meaning replying to an email and only changing 
the subject). Please ask new questions in a new thread (by composing a new 
message and not replying). 

Your email appears in a different thread in my mail client. So you might get 
less responses to your question. 

Thanks. 

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:52:15 -0600
Cliff Scott ke6...@qsl.net wrote:

 Greetings everyone,
 
 I've used OOo for a number of years. Today I installed LibreOffice to see how
 it did. So far so good, but one glitch that maybe someone can help me with.
 
 After the install on WinXP I ran the Help files installer supposedly
 successfully. My problem is that I cannot for the life of me figure out how
 to get the offline help to work. F1 or the Help menu always brings up the
 online help. I am not always connected to the Internet so getting the offline
 help working is important to me. I've spent quite a bit of time searching for
 answers online, but with no joy. Have I just overlooked something simple?
 Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Which version did you install? Did you also install the corresponding language 
pack? If I remember correctly, you have to install

1. software package
2. language package
3. help package

In this order. 

I agree, that this is unfortunate. I don't know, if this is well explained on 
the download page or not. If not, it should be added there, so that the user 
doesn't get a surprise of a not working local help. 

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Scroll (Up Down) crash LIBREOFFICE

2011-02-04 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 04 febbraio 2011 alle ore 10:07:15, Manel León  
manell...@gmail.com ha scritto:



Thanks for open the BUG. Warms regards.


Here is the bug:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33894

I've seen other people have similar issues on this list. However I don't  
know whether it's *exactly* the same problem, so it's better the devs test  
your document and see what happens.


Regards,

Gianluca
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Question

2011-02-04 Thread Cley Faye

  After the install on WinXP I ran the Help files installer supposedly
  successfully. My problem is that I cannot for the life of me figure out
 how
  to get the offline help to work. F1 or the Help menu always brings up the
  online help. I am not always connected to the Internet so getting the
 offline
  help working is important to me. I've spent quite a bit of time searching
 for
  answers online, but with no joy. Have I just overlooked something simple?
  Thanks for any help anyone can give.

 Which version did you install? Did you also install the corresponding
 language pack? If I remember correctly, you have to install

 1. software package
 2. language package
 3. help package

 In this order.

 I agree, that this is unfortunate. I don't know, if this is well explained
 on the download page or not. If not, it should be added there, so that the
 user doesn't get a surprise of a not working local help.


Also, be sure that Libreoffice language settings are set accordingly, or it
might not try to pull the corresponding local help file.

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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread toki
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On 02/04/2011 08:17 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

 I'm going to write my comments in blue.  

What does blue sound like?

I don't know if the colour will be be retained as the message goes
through the system,

The only safe assumption that can be made, is that most of the content
of a message will be delivered.

Depending upon the recipient's setup, both presentation markup and
content markup can be, and usually is completely obliterated and destroyed.

 following commands listed across the top of the reply window:  Code, List,
 List=, Img, Table=, Aligntable=, etc.  When you click the button, the
 formatting is essentially like using HTML.  I've always believed this just
 to be a customized version/offshoot of HTML, if you will, and modified so it
 doesn't interfere with regular HTML code.

That is either BBCode, or sanitized HTML. It is used only for
presentation markup. It is not required for content creation.

 I've used text smilies for years, yet I still don't know what all of the 
 various text smilies or graphical smilies mean.

Currently, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=text+smiley%27s seems to be broken.  :(

jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-users] spell check, grammar check, dictionary system - my answer/solution given to OOo thread.

2011-02-04 Thread toki
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On 02/04/2011 03:50 AM, T. R. Valentine wrote:

 But in a language with homophones, homographs, heteronyms, and heterographs, 
 I can't even begin to imagine how one could code for all the possibilities (

First you check for word order.
Then you check for word pair frequency.

- From a practical point of view, the biggest hurdle is constructing the
database to be used for checking the word order.

Constructing the expert system to validate the grammar is fairly
straightforward.  Time consuming, but doable.

- From a legal point of view, the issue is patents.  Thousands of them.
Most of which are obvious, and nothing more than use a computer to
detect if these words are sequential, or not.

jonathon



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker

On 04/02/2011 12:01, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
  
Please can we stop posting criticisms of Ken's opinions?


But his reasoning as to why he doesn't advocate FOSS is flawed. His 
given reasons are spurious and don't hold up in real life. That's the 
point...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Question

2011-02-04 Thread Cliff Scott
** Reply to message from Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk on Fri, 4 Feb
2011 08:08:48 + (GMT)

 Ahah, i think you have to download the 2nd file as advised in quite a few 
 places 
 in order to get help-files downloaded onto your machine.  Many people would 
 consider the help-files extra bloat and struggle to keep their system 
 bloat-free.  At least i think that is how it works with most OpenSource 
 programs.
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)

Tom,

If you reread my original post you will see that I did that.

Cliff

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Question

2011-02-04 Thread Cliff Scott
** Reply to message from Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com on
Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:23:24 +0100

 Hi, 
 
 Cliff, you hijacked a thread (meaning replying to an email and only
 changing the subject). Please ask new questions in a new thread (by composing
 a new message and not replying). 
 
 Your email appears in a different thread in my mail client. So you might get
 less responses to your question. 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:52:15 -0600
 Cliff Scott ke6...@qsl.net wrote:
 
  Greetings everyone,
  
  I've used OOo for a number of years. Today I installed LibreOffice to see 
  how
  it did. So far so good, but one glitch that maybe someone can help me with.
  
  After the install on WinXP I ran the Help files installer supposedly
  successfully. My problem is that I cannot for the life of me figure out how
  to get the offline help to work. F1 or the Help menu always brings up the
  online help. I am not always connected to the Internet so getting the 
  offline
  help working is important to me. I've spent quite a bit of time searching 
  for
  answers online, but with no joy. Have I just overlooked something simple?
  Thanks for any help anyone can give.
 
 Which version did you install? Did you also install the corresponding
 language pack? If I remember correctly, you have to install
 
 1. software package
 2. language package
 3. help package
 
 In this order. 
 
 I agree, that this is unfortunate. I don't know, if this is well explained on
 the download page or not. If not, it should be added there, so that the user
 doesn't get a surprise of a not working local help. 

Thanks for our response Sigrid. I did indeed hijack a thread not knowing it
would make any difference at all. I'll take your suggestion regarding
starting a new thread in the future.

I downloaded and installed the LibreOffice 3.3 US English Multi version, i.e.
not the universal one will all the other languages. I started LO then
realized that the help went online and remembered that I had to install the
help package. I closed LO installed the help package and tried again, but it
still goes directly to the online help. I even restarted the computer.
Finally I ran the setup from the help directory and told it to check
everything which it did, but still no help. I wonder if the problem was
running LO before installing help. Maybe I should uninstall everything and
reinstall and see if it helps.

Cliff

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[libreoffice-users] the table starts everytime in a new page - after I type the heading for the table

2011-02-04 Thread sivakumar

I have been using OOO 3.2, and now have installed libre office 3.3,
yesterday.

In both I have noticed the following :

- whenever I tried making a table (mainly for tender
specification-cum-compliance) wherein I create a table with say 3 to 4
coloums, and tried cutting  pasting in each cell, the table starts in a new
page.

- this is happening always with both the OOO  LO3.3

- I will usually have 3 or 4 lines - which contains the headings and after
than I create a table.  Every time in this page - only the headings will be
there.  The table gets to the next page, leaving the first page fully blank
- only with the headings.

What should I do for making the table which was created - just after the
headings - to stay there only.

please help.

s.sivakumar
mumbai
india
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[libreoffice-users] Re: WinXP LibO offline help

2011-02-04 Thread lnvas _at_data.bg
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:52:15 -0600
Cliff Scott ke6...@qsl.net wrote:

 ...
 I've used OOo for a number of years. Today I installed LibreOffice to see how
 it did. So far so good, but one glitch that maybe someone can help me with.
 After the install on WinXP I ran the Help files installer supposedly
 successfully. My problem is that I cannot for the life of me figure out how
 to get the offline help to work. F1 or the Help menu always brings up the
 online help. I am not always connected to the Internet so getting the offline
 help working is important to me. I've spent quite a bit of time searching for
 answers online, but with no joy. Have I just overlooked something simple?
 ...

Hi,

WinXP SP2   jre_1.6.0-23
LibreOffice 3.3.0   OOO330m19 (Build:6)   tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4
LibO_3.3.0_win_x86_helppack_en-US.exe

No problems using offline help (F1)...


Try this:

Tools  Options  LibreOffice  Java

Check Java options:

[x]Use a Java runtime environment

If installed, your 'jre' must check radio-button under Java runtime
environments (JRE) already installed:.


Regards,

Lyudmil

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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
Good morning, Jonathon,


 On 02/04/2011 08:17 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

  I'm going to write my comments in blue.

 What does blue sound like?


Just to be a smarta** this morning, I'm going to say it sounds like New
Orleans Jazz, where people often sing the blues.   LOL



 I don't know if the colour will be be retained as the message goes
 through the system,

 The only safe assumption that can be made, is that most of the content
 of a message will be delivered.

 Depending upon the recipient's setup, both presentation markup and
 content markup can be, and usually is completely obliterated and destroyed.


I wasn't making any assumptions, but I did want to know what would happen to
the color formatting.  In my case, when the mailing list returned my message
to me, the color was retained.  That would lead me to believer the options
would be good that if I used other formatting commands available to me, that
would also be retained.

As no one has mentioned it, I do not know if any other reader saw blue
text.  So, I have absolutely know idea if anyone other than myself sees blue
text.



  following commands listed across the top of the reply window:  Code,
 List,
  List=, Img, Table=, Aligntable=, etc.  When you click the button, the
  formatting is essentially like using HTML.  I've always believed this
 just
  to be a customized version/offshoot of HTML, if you will, and modified so
 it
  doesn't interfere with regular HTML code.

 That is either BBCode, or sanitized HTML. It is used only for
 presentation markup. It is not required for content creation.


Agreed, it is not required for content creation, but the use of formatting
tools leads to better comprehension and understanding of what a writer is
trying to convey.  That is why we need to use correct spelling, grammar, and
punctuation.

And no, I am *not* taking any issue of the posters on this list for whom
English is a second or third language.



  I've used text smilies for years, yet I still don't know what all of the
 various text smilies or graphical smilies mean.

 Currently, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=text+smiley%27s seems to be broken.  :(

 A few years ago, I did a Google search on smilies, and learned that not all
 lists of smilies had the same definition for a particular smiley.  So I
 stick to just the basic ones.




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All progress depends upon the unreasonable person.
George Bernard Shaw


Cheap prices make for cheap goods; cheap goods make for
cheap men; and cheap men make for a cheap country!
President William McKinley


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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 just because something CAN be
 done does not mean it SHOULD be done.


This applies to so many places in our world today.


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George Bernard Shaw


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
Good morning, Tom,

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)

 Please can we stop posting criticisms of Ken's opinions?  We don't all
 agree
 with each other, at least hopefully not!  Hearing a different point of view
 is
 important and if people feel intimidated into being unable to express an
 unpopular opinion then we are going to miss developing better answers to
 suit
 more users.  We have already heard that there are a few people that have
 good
 reason to find computer usage difficult.


Thanks for the support, it's appreciated.

I actually consider the discussions that are now two threads to be
brainstorming, and I don't really consider it to be criticism.  Just
another point of view.  And ultimately, if this discussion has a positive
outcome, the end product will be better for it.

And only Bob Holtzman's reply tweaked my sensibilities, as the saying
goes.  But I didn't want to fall into the Tom and Dick story line I
posted, so I sat back for a couple hours before writing my reply.

I always try to create a post without causing any undue hard feelings.  But
as we are all human beings, and we are unfortunately dealing with the
written word, we can never be 100% successful in that.  And a good reason
for the use of text smilies to impart the emotions we are trying to convey.

:-) Except possibly for me.  I'm actually Commander Data's evil twin
Lor!   (That's for the Star Trek, Next Generation fans.  LOL)




 Ken's concern might
 simply be a case of helping the documentation team develop systems and
 documentation but there might be other things we could do to help.


Exactly.  I've had to write instructions, company plans, etc. over the
years.  And it is so-o-o-o-o-o-o time consuming and hard to choose sentence
structure, vocabulary, etc. to try to make your documents understandable to
as many people as possible.  So I do feel for the individuals who are
involved in just the documentation process.




Ken Springer

All progress depends upon the unreasonable person.
George Bernard Shaw


Cheap prices make for cheap goods; cheap goods make for
cheap men; and cheap men make for a cheap country!
President William McKinley


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
Good morning again, Gordon,

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.comwrote:

 His given reasons are spurious and don't hold up in real life. That's the
 point...


Doesn't this mean that your real life experiences are different than mine?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] the table starts everytime in a new page - after I type the heading for the table

2011-02-04 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

OpenOffice and LibreOffice often create problems for each other when both are 
installed.  Try uninstalling one of them and then reinstall the one you are 
keeping.  Since they are both free uninstalling and reinstalling is relatively 
trivial.  Apparently there is some weird setting in OpenOffice that stops them 
both being easy to use together.

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 4 February, 2011 13:12:10
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] the table starts everytime in a new page - 
after I type the heading for the table

Hello, 

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 02:23:48 -0800 (PST)
sivakumar calms...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 I have been using OOO 3.2, and now have installed libre office 3.3,
 yesterday.
 
 In both I have noticed the following :
 
 - whenever I tried making a table (mainly for tender
 specification-cum-compliance) wherein I create a table with say 3 to 4
 coloums, and tried cutting  pasting in each cell, the table starts in a new
 page.

When you copy  paste, try to insert as text only. I think, this can be 
achieved by using CTRL+Shift+V instead of STRL+V. 


You could also check the properties of the table. To do this, move your cursor 
into the table and the table toolbar appears. There's an icon called Table 
properties (a table with a small hammer, the 3rd icon from the right in the 
second row in my installation). Go to the register Text flow and check, if 
there is a checkmark for Break. It's the very first entry on this tab. If 
there is, just remove it and your table should appear again on the previous 
page 
when you close the dialog. 



 - this is happening always with both the OOO  LO3.3
 
 - I will usually have 3 or 4 lines - which contains the headings and after
 than I create a table.  Every time in this page - only the headings will be
 there.  The table gets to the next page, leaving the first page fully blank
 - only with the headings.
 
 What should I do for making the table which was created - just after the
 headings - to stay there only.
 
 please help.

I hope, that the above description will help you sort your problem out. If it 
doesn't work, then please come back and describe what you did. 


Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Tom,

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


 Do we have to criticise people
 or their ideas?


This applies to venues other than Libre Office.  :-(  The world seems to be
evolving to a point where different groups simply believe their way is the
only way, and are unwilling to listen and learn from people with a different
point of view.

And then, learn how to accept the other point of view and live peacefully
with each other.  :-(


And perhaps my observation is a bit off topic.  :-)





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George Bernard Shaw


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President William McKinley


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: WinXP LibO offline help

2011-02-04 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Cliff, 

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:19:54 -0600
Cliff Scott ke6...@qsl.net wrote:

 ** Reply to message from lnvas _at_data.bg ln...@data.bg on Fri, 4 Feb 
 2011
 16:25:12 +0200
 
  On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:52:15 -0600
  Cliff Scott ke6...@qsl.net wrote:
  

[...]

  
  Hi,
  
  WinXP SP2   jre_1.6.0-23
  LibreOffice 3.3.0   OOO330m19 (Build:6)   tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4
  LibO_3.3.0_win_x86_helppack_en-US.exe
  
  No problems using offline help (F1)...
  
  
  Try this:
  
  Tools  Options  LibreOffice  Java
  
  Check Java options:
  
  [x]Use a Java runtime environment
  
  If installed, your 'jre' must check radio-button under Java runtime
  environments (JRE) already installed:.
  
  
  Regards,
  
  Lyudmil
 
 Thanks for the suggestion. All is setup properly. The only difference is
 release 17 of Java rather than 23. If I don't have Internet access working 
 then
 F1 just yells that it can't launch the Internet Help. Somehow it doesn't know
 the offline help files were installed.

I did ask on the germanophone user list about installing the windows help files 
(I don't have a Windows installation). What I heard back is to ask you to check 
which locale is set for the UI and if you did indeed install the help file for 
the exact locale as well. 

So, please have a look at 
Tools  Options  language settings
Which locale is set for the user interface under the language point? It has to 
be the same throughout. 
so en-US for the UI and en-US for the help file. If it doesn't match, then 
you'll have to change this. 

If this doesn't help, then I have no idea and you might want to file a bug 
report. 

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: WinXP LibO offline help

2011-02-04 Thread Cliff Scott
** Reply to message from lnvas _at_data.bg ln...@data.bg on Fri, 4 Feb 2011
16:25:12 +0200

 On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:52:15 -0600
 Cliff Scott ke6...@qsl.net wrote:
 
  ...
  I've used OOo for a number of years. Today I installed LibreOffice to see 
  how
  it did. So far so good, but one glitch that maybe someone can help me with.
  After the install on WinXP I ran the Help files installer supposedly
  successfully. My problem is that I cannot for the life of me figure out how
  to get the offline help to work. F1 or the Help menu always brings up the
  online help. I am not always connected to the Internet so getting the 
  offline
  help working is important to me. I've spent quite a bit of time searching 
  for
  answers online, but with no joy. Have I just overlooked something simple?
  ...

Hi Everyone,

Thank you to all who made suggestions on how to solve my problem.

I solved the problem by uninstalling both the help and program files, rebooting
and then reinstalling everything. I think the issue may have be complicated by
the fact that the first time I installed the help files I installed them to
their own directory and not to the root of the LibreOffice installed directory
as is normal. Even though it was allowed, apparently the link was not setup to
the new directory so the program didn't see the files. Bug???

Cliff

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base form editing/creation impossible, missing dialog boxes and Menu bars

2011-02-04 Thread Mobidoy

It is a known bug with the packages from Ubuntu PPA, I have removed it all,
tried it again and still had the issue. I cleaned it once again and
installed it from the deb packages on libreoffice site and all is working
fine... 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/709778 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/709778 
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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Sigrid,


On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Sigrid Carrera 
sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:



 [...]


As part of this discussion, knowledge and education, more accurately a lack
of knowledge and education, I have no idea what that represents!   :-)  If I
were to hazard a guess, I would say it's another text representation for a
smile.  Am I close?   LOL


  As no one has mentioned it, I do not know if any other reader saw blue
  text.  So, I have absolutely know idea if anyone other than myself sees
 blue
  text.

 To give you some feedback: I don't see any colour formatting. But this is,
 because my mailer doesn't support any HTML. Honestly, I like it this way.


And I prefer HTML.  It makes it easier when people send you an email that
has inline photos of the grandkid or something else they find interesting.

I've used email clients in the past that didn't support HTML.  To me, we
each have our preferences, which is fine as long as we recognize those
preferences, and that neither one is right or wrong.



 To see, who wrote what, you use the citation marks ('') and leave the
 names mentioned above (On date xyz wrote) the email. So you can see
 clearly, who said what.


Of this I do know.  LOL!!  I actually prefer the citation mark (or carat or
greater than sign  LOL) over the straight line you possibly see in my
replies.  This email address from Dishmail.net is actually Gmail in
disguise, and the user does not have the option of choosing a particular
quotation style.  The only way I could use the carat would be to manually
manually edit the reply, or set up POP3/automatic forwarding to my desktop
email client.  But as of yet, I've not found a desktop client I'm happy
with, so setting something up like that is currently way down towards the
bottom of my priority list.

In addition to citation marks, I actually find color to be quicker for me to
determine who wrote what, and in which message.

  That is either BBCode, or sanitized HTML. It is used only for
   presentation markup. It is not required for content creation.
  
 This is very likely BBCode. This is used to make the use of forums safer.
 (You can insert malicious code into HTML, with BBCode this isn't possible.)


So, that's what BBCode is for and does.  Thanks for the information.  This
simply seems to reinforce my comments about education and knowledge.

I'm all for anything that keeps those folks at bay.  And also another reason
I prefer my Mac to my Windows computers for my personal use.  I do run
antivirus, et. al., on the Mac though.  Not because there is a huge amount
of viruses and such out there for the Mac, but because I don't want a virus
to manage to slip through my system and then I inadvertently forward the
virus or whatever on to someone else.  In the almost two years I've used the
Mac, I've only had one virus successfully make it to my Mac, and that was
from data I copied from another computer via thumb drive.  I only have a
free version of the software, and it doesn't check the data from sources
like newly inserted thumb drives.



 I use only a very small set of smileys, where I know for sure what they
 mean. So I personally restrict myself to :) and ;) I think, those are more
 than sufficient. (At least, they are for me) ;)


Same here.  :-)  Interestingly enough, I've used some email software that
when you use this smiley, :), it doesn't know how to display it as HTML, but
if you use :-), you're OK.  I've also found the reverse, as well as the
software understanding both.

But, that doesn't do you a bit of good when someone types the smiley
backwards, as in (-: for a smile.   LOL



Ken Springer

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George Bernard Shaw


Cheap prices make for cheap goods; cheap goods make for
cheap men; and cheap men make for a cheap country!
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[libreoffice-users] Re: WinXP LibO offline help

2011-02-04 Thread lnvas _at_data.bg
Hi,

On 2/4/11, Sigrid wrote:
 ...
 So, please have a look at
 Tools  Options  language settings
 Which locale is set for the user interface under the language point? It has 
 to be the same
 throughout.
 so en-US for the UI and en-US for the help file.
 If it doesn't match, then you'll have to change this.
 ...

Just to complete:

  my User Interface and HelpFile  are EN_US
  my Locale Setting is BG

  have no problems with offline help, thou.

Regards,
Lyudmil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] the table starts everytime in a new page - after I type the heading for the table

2011-02-04 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Hi :)

 OpenOffice and LibreOffice often create problems for each other when both are
 installed.  Try uninstalling one of them and then reinstall the one you are
 keeping.  Since they are both free uninstalling and reinstalling is relatively
 trivial.  Apparently there is some weird setting in OpenOffice that stops them
 both being easy to use together.


On every platform?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread MR ZenWiz
This discussion is so off-topic it doesn't even belong on this email
list any more.  Can you/we at least put it in a different topic thread
with a big [OT] in front so we can skip it from the summary list?

Ken, could you possibly stop using so much vertical space and shorten
your 14-line signature?

Thank you all.

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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Luuk luu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 04-02-11 17:29, Ken Springer wrote:
 [...]

:o :o :o        !8-)

 This thread should be about LibreOffice, and not about how to use an
 emailclient...


Thank you, Luuk.  It should also be noted that this thread is not for
making a dissertation out of every single email.  I guess some people
just have too much time on their hands

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:24 AM, MR ZenWiz mrzen...@gmail.com wrote:

 This discussion is so off-topic it doesn't even belong on this email
 list any more.  Can you/we at least put it in a different topic thread
 with a big [OT] in front so we can skip it from the summary list?

 Ken, could you possibly stop using so much vertical space and shorten
 your 14-line signature?

 Thank you all.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] the table starts everytime in a new page - after I type the heading for the table

2011-02-04 Thread Andy Brown

On Fri Feb 04 2011 07:52:57 GMT-0800 (PST)  Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

OpenOffice and LibreOffice often create problems for each other when both are 
installed.  Try uninstalling one of them and then reinstall the one you are 
keeping.  Since they are both free uninstalling and reinstalling is relatively 
trivial.  Apparently there is some weird setting in OpenOffice that stops them 
both being easy to use together.


Regards from
Tom :)


This is strange as I have both installed here on Win7  Ubuntu 9.10 and 
have seen no problems.  I have had both open at the same time setting up 
the Tools- Options settings.




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[libreoffice-users] Feature Requests, general procedure and an Idea

2011-02-04 Thread Jackson Murtha
Hello

First off, I'm relatively confident that this is the wrong mailing list for
this, but I'm not sure which would be a better place.

I have a feature request, and I'm not sure what to do with it.  I don't
believe it is a mature enough idea to submit as a feature request yet, and I
think its complexity far outweighs my programming skills.

I'd like to gauge others' interest, the ideal implementation, and the level
of complexity and effort required to implement (can it be done as a plugin,
etc?).

Thoughts or a better venue for this type of discussion are much
appreciatedI'd just like to get the ball rolling on this as an eventual
feature.


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My idea is that the office should have an integrated command-window at the
application level... something like Gnome-Do or the Spotlight/Quicksilver
apps on mac (the best implementation, IMHO is the everything plugin for
e17).

basically, a small window is shown on hitting a convenient keyboard shortcut
(or gui button of some type), into which arbitrary text is entered.
Entering text searches a number of frequently used documents or commands
along with (frequently-used) options for interacting with them.

Let's say my command is CTRL + Spacebar.  I hit CTRL + spacebar, type in
foo, and it offers to search the current document(s) for foo, but might
also bring up a list of documents entitled foo to open (or switch between,
or perform other actions on), etc.

The point to offer very convenient keyboard (and mouse) access to features
by searching for their objects or the functions themselves, rather than
switching between keyboard/mouse or memorizing infrequently used keyboard
combinations.  The best way of getting a feel for this is to use Quicksilver
or Everything plugins for a bit and imagine the possibilities for in-app
implementation.  Office suites are the perfect place to add this into, as
they're already pretty heavily keyboard-centric.

Thoughts or directions on where I should take this?  Thanks,

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Re: [libreoffice-users] the table starts everytime in a new page - after I type the heading for the table

2011-02-04 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Tom,

Tom Davies wrote (04-02-11 16:52)

OpenOffice and LibreOffice often create problems for each other when both are
installed.  Try uninstalling one of them and then reinstall the one you are
keeping.  Since they are both free uninstalling and reinstalling is relatively
trivial.  Apparently there is some weird setting in OpenOffice that stops them
both being easy to use together.


Very friendly that you take trouble to write this mail.
Alas it is not that useful. If you would re-read the reply from Sigrid - 
still at the bottom  - you see that there is an answer, which targets 
the relevant technical details.
Better that you let the OP try that first, and not create a misty 
situation. Even the more so, since your suggestion is based on a strange 
perception. Problems with OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice installed on 
one system are seldom. And if there is a problem, there is no evidence 
at all that it would be caused by OpenOffice.org.


Tom, lets say that it is your very helpful inside that makes you send so 
many mails. But really, it is not necessary to reply to each mail. 
People will enjoy your assistance so much more if you reply a bit accurate.


Thanks,
Cor

And pls try to learn to reply inline and below te quoted text, snipping 
irrelevant parts.




From: Sigrid Carrerasigrid.carr...@googlemail.com




You could also check the properties of the table. To do this, move your cursor
into the table and the table toolbar appears. There's an icon called Table
properties (a table with a small hammer, the 3rd icon from the right in the
second row in my installation). Go to the register Text flow and check, if
there is a checkmark for Break. It's the very first entry on this tab. If
there is, just remove it and your table should appear again on the previous page
when you close the dialog.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 4 February 2011 09:36, Ken Springer snows...@dishmail.net wrote:
 Good morning, Gordon,

 On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker 
 gbpli...@gmail.comwrote:

 But that applies to ALL applications, whether FOSS or proprietary. In my
 personal experience in large corporations, 75% of MS Office users only use
 25% (or less) of the functionality...


 I absolutely agree with your comment about MS Office users.  But in my
 experience, I would say your observation of 75% of MS Office users only use
 25% (or less) of the functionality... might be a bit high.  :-)

Which part is high -- the percentage of users or the percentage of the
available functions?

In my experience, I'd say at least 90% of the users use maybe 10% of
the functions. When teaching an introductory course to Windoze, I
encourage beginners to use WordPad. The vast majority of people don't
need anything more.

Of course, users are frequently unaware of available functions. That,
of course, is what led M$ to eliminate the menu structure and
introduce that @*@#$* ribbon. (Personally, I think it was the
'personalised menus' that were more at fault -- what users didn't use
didn't appear -- so how were users supposed to find existing
functions?)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Ken Springer
Good afternoon, Mr ZenWiz

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM, MR ZenWiz mrzen...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thank you.  That was so helpful I just can't describe it.


When I read your reply, I was perplexed, and took your comment as a bit less
than civil, and did not understand why.  But thanks to the post by T. R.
Valentine, I know why.

I absolutely did *NOT* send a blank post to the mailing list.   :-(
Somewhere the Dishmail/Gmail system, obviously web based, managed to screw
up and I have no way of opening my sent box that will display the email I
believed I was sending.  Between the two rows of asterisks is a rewritten
reply of what I attempted to send.

**
I will be happy to end the thread at this point.

If you were to split the conversation into two different threads, you run
the risk of destroying the continuity of the conversation.

I don't mind shortening the signature.  Dishmail/Gmail is set to
automatically append the signature, so I'll need to remember to manually
edit it.  And if I forget, please give me a bad time.

**

After sending this email, and then giving T. R. Valentine the courtesy of a
reply, I have no plans to post anything further in this thread.



Ken

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 08:49:30AM -0700, Ken Springer wrote:

.snip

 
 And only Bob Holtzman's reply tweaked my sensibilities, as the saying
 goes.  But I didn't want to fall into the Tom and Dick story line I
 posted, so I sat back for a couple hours before writing my reply.

.snip

Glad to see I haven't lost my touch. Actually, several of the things you
wrote lit my fuse too, so I guess we're about even. Truce?

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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 09:29:47AM -0700, Ken Springer wrote:
 
 And I prefer HTML.  It makes it easier when people send you an email that
 has inline photos of the grandkid or something else they find interesting.
 
 I've used email clients in the past that didn't support HTML.  To me, we
 each have our preferences, which is fine as long as we recognize those
 preferences, and that neither one is right or wrong.

Not quite. http://www.woodgate.org/FAQs/netiquette.html. 

Including files in any format other than straight ASCII is to be
avoided. The use of uuencoded files, zipped files or even HTML files are
likely to mean that nobody will read your message. In some groups it
will result in the message being rejected.

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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:

way too much material to quote


Having a bad day?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ken Springer snows...@dishmail.net wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM, MR ZenWiz mrzen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you.  That was so helpful I just can't describe it.

 When I read your reply, I was perplexed, and took your comment as a bit less
 than civil, and did not understand why.  But thanks to the post by T. R.
 Valentine, I know why.

 I absolutely did *NOT* send a blank post to the mailing list.   :-(
 Somewhere the Dishmail/Gmail system, obviously web based, managed to screw
 up and I have no way of opening my sent box that will display the email I
 believed I was sending.  Between the two rows of asterisks is a rewritten
 reply of what I attempted to send.

Okay, I'll buy that.

 I will be happy to end the thread at this point.

 If you were to split the conversation into two different threads, you run
 the risk of destroying the continuity of the conversation.

 I don't mind shortening the signature.  Dishmail/Gmail is set to
 automatically append the signature, so I'll need to remember to manually
 edit it.  And if I forget, please give me a bad time.

It appears that you did - thank you.  No further bad time needed.

Ciao.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

2011-02-04 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Scott Jones srjone...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok.  You people are so off topic. Grow up and move on!

raspberry

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[libreoffice-users] Re: [BUG] LO crashes when .doc with Visio drawing is displayed

2011-02-04 Thread NoOp
On 01/31/2011 11:15 AM, NoOp wrote:
 On 01/31/2011 05:21 AM, Petki wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I have following document (see attachment) with MS Visio drawing. When I try
 to open it via LO 3.3, crash occurs. Any advices how to fix it (document was
 not created by me...)? (FYI, Google Docs also cannot display that drawing,
 but at leasts it displays blank page instead of crash...) 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n2389386/LO_crash.doc LO_crash.doc 
 
 Interesting. I can open in LO 3.3 in linux... but the rendering is very
 odd. It looks as if the cursor strokes were recorded. In OOo 3.3.0
 (linux) it opens properly. Screenshots of both:
 
 In LibreOffice 3.3.0 linux:
 http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7118/screenshotlocrashdoclib.png
 Note: LO 3.3.0 on WinXP the doc doesn't exactly crash LO, instead LO
 just seems to freeze when attempting to render the doc on the screen.
 WinXP SP3 1Gb memory allocated in a VMWare virtual machine. Here's a
 screenshot of LO on WinXP:
 http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/107/screenshotwinxpvmwarepl.png
 
 In OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 linux:
 http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9499/screenshotlocrashdocope.png
 Note: I get the same when using
 - OOo 3.2.1 - Ubuntu/go-oo version
 - OOo 3.3.0 on WinXP
 - MS Word 2003
 
 So it looks to be a bug even when it can be opened.

Peter, have you opened a bug report on this yet? Do you need help/advise
on doing so?

Gary


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[libreoffice-users] Re: the table starts everytime in a new page - after I type the heading for the table

2011-02-04 Thread sivakumar

Dear All,

thanks for replying to my problem.  never expected to have so many
thanks for the community, once again.  (Every one needs a pat to keep them
going, particularly when it is non-commercial).

I have even before posting the problem :

- have first uninstalled OOO 3.2 (which came along with Ubuntu 10.04)
- then installed through synaptic (added the necessary PPA)
- no problem in installing LO 3.3
- it is (I feel) loading much faster than OOO 3.2.
- also did the unchecking (break) - even before posting.  still it persists.


I will do them in this weekend - and will post them by monday.

Thanks once again.
s. sivakumar
mumbai
india.

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