[libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
NoOp wrote I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... So, based on this small detail you insinuate that the user is lying and ignore all the rest of the message... That is exactly the kind of support that people need on a User mailing list! Please think about this: Don't say/write everything that you think, but think everything that you say/write -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-Tale-of-Two-Office-Suites-tp4023620p4023691.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Am 11.12.2012 06:42, schrieb NoOp: Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. My LibreOffice does this by default. LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Build-ID: 350m1(Build:2) delivered with Ubuntu 12.04 Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 12/11/2012 01:11 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Am 11.12.2012 06:42, schrieb NoOp: Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. My LibreOffice does this by default. LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Build-ID: 350m1(Build:2) delivered with Ubuntu 12.04 Mine does _NOT_ - LO 3.6.2.2 on PCLinuxOS 2012. IanW Pretoria RSA -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. What harm can it do to my system? Right now, I have LO 3.5.7, AOO 3.4.1 and the LO 4 Beta. I have seen no problems at all. All you've told me is that it shouldn't be done and that you don't do it. Forgive me for being dense, but I still don't know why? Virgil -Original Message- From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:52 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites On 12/10/2012 10:25 PM, VA wrote: do not use both LO and AOO on the same system. Why not? Virgil 1 - I do not use AOO [or OOo before AOO came out] since I started using LO almost 2 years ago. 2 - I do not think it is wise to use two packages that are both forks from the original OOo code base, on the same system. Yes there are procedures you can do to have both packages installed on the same system, just like you can have two versions of LO installed on the same system. Just because you can do something does not mean it is something that you should do. 3 - 1 and 2 are reasons enough. Whether or not there are people who do not believe the same way that I do, this is what I believe. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Hi :) Part of the purpose of a list is that many different view-points can be expressed by individuals. As you point out many of us may well not agree with the wisdom of many of the posts but hopefully by gathering different points-of-view people can assess and perhaps change their own points-of-view and hopefully solve whatever problems are being faced. Many languages have a phrase for it, i think the French say something like Vive la difference but in England we don't like having choices and prefer just being given orders. I've been trying to create a chant or something for OpenSource here. Something like Diversity breeds serendipity but it's not very catchy nor easy to shout out. Personally i think regardless of what does or doesn't happen by default in different people's version is fairly irrelevant. Most people like and expect these things to happen exactly as they work in Word and other appalling products but other people prefer to have a tough time of it. All three ways and others are valid imo. If someone could post a script as an Extension so that it's easy for people to strip out all the 'useful' 'helpful' automatic bits then we could satisfy people from both groups. In much the same way as we have different languages we could allow people of different view-points to get some satisfaction without spoiling things for the majority. Regards from Tom :) From: Pedro pedl...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 10:02 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites NoOp wrote I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... So, based on this small detail you insinuate that the user is lying and ignore all the rest of the message... That is exactly the kind of support that people need on a User mailing list! Please think about this: Don't say/write everything that you think, but think everything that you say/write -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-Tale-of-Two-Office-Suites-tp4023620p4023691.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-12-11 07:25 AM, VA a écrit : I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. What harm can it do to my system? Right now, I have LO 3.5.7, AOO 3.4.1 and the LO 4 Beta. I have seen no problems at all. All you've told me is that it shouldn't be done and that you don't do it. Forgive me for being dense, but I still don't know why? Virgil I think you should. If you find a conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage that leads to a crash or data loss, it would be appreciated if you can file a bug on the three versions you run so they can be adjusted to better coexist. Keep in mind your use case is specific enough that there may not be significant effort to getting it fixed, though. Cheers, Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDHJ3EACgkQfUcTXFrypNUBBACfbTrAdhWi47hQ7ObxQXl3s1sO MAcAn2OYaaG6BJqOhc9UBDjfCK+n/LPW =vPp0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally?
Hi :) People have discussed various different ways that tabs could be implemented in LibreOffice. I would really like to see either of the main ways. The only one i could understand was having each tab as a different document but there was an old word-processor that had something very useful for working on documents longer than 1 page or so. Something like an advanced Navigation tool. In MS Office you can open more than one document and each one is opened inside the type of shell you see if you open LibreOffice without opening any document and just get the splash screen. That way you can maximise the Word window and have 2 or more documents in any arrangement you like without having multiple instances of their ribbon-bar and menus taking up even more excessive screen real-estate. Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: 'anne-ology' lagin...@gmail.com; 'Jorge' jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com; 'Tom' tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; 'Dr. R. O Stapf' reinh...@stapf-online.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 3:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? Hi. I can see 2 other interpretations from Anne-ology message. 1. She wants to be able to open the file twice, to visually compare the instance initially (and still) on disc with the instance edited in ram. 2. She wants to be able to visually compare 2 parts (paragraphs) in the same document. I used to do this many years ago on OS/2 in lotus or staroffice. Steve On 2012-12-11 15:41, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Umm, if two Text (.odt) documents have not changed dramatically, does not the Edit | Compare Document ... menu dialog provide a way of seeing how the currently open document is changed from another document? - Dennis -Original Message- From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 15:39 To: Jorge Cc: Tom; Dr. R. O Stapf; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? I wish this were true ... using WIN [now 7], it's not ;-( To be able to compare 2 versions side by side would be an asset - often, I've wanted to remember how something was worded ... so I have to close the document, open the other document then reverse the process because both versions cannot be open at the same time - I've tried minimizing one document but it closes on its own when the next document is opened - the computer is always a step ahead of me ;-) On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM, jorge jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com wrote: Hi: If I remember well...with LO you can compare two documents...and in Ubuntu there are some programs to do the same Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El vie, 07-12-2012 a las 00:21 +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) Side-by-side is fairly easy on Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04. Not sure about others but it's got to have originated somewhere and is probably on the cards elsewhere. Not sure about synchronised scrolling though, that part sounds like a good item for a feature-request / bug-report. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Report So, in Ubuntu 12.04 and Win7 just grab the first document's window and drag it to the far left as though you are dragging it off-screen. When a weird shadow fills half the screen let go. Whatever size and shape the windo had been it now fills half the screen. Do the same to the 2nd document's window but drag it to the right. Errr i choose left first just because it feels more comfortable to me. If you try to drag it off the top of the screen then the window tries to maximise. Of course you could use Alt Tab to flick between any windows on the workspace you are on and that can be a good way to compare quickly. Most GnuLinux distros also let you flick between different work-spaces quickly so changes jump out at you that way too. Windows users probably aren't familiar with the spinning cube (which i can never get to work). Of course Ubuntu kinda lost that quick flick between workspaces in 11.04 using Unity (unless i'm missing a key-combo (which is highly likely)) Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012, 23:10 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? This would realy be a good feature. I also miss the possibility to compare to documents side by side and synchronized scrolling. I hate to say it but this is a good feature of MSO. Just hope that our devs can add ti to LibO. On 2012-12-05 20:50, Gilles wrote: I agree. I also miss being able to split a document horizontally in two halves. It's very useful when going through a big document. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not upset about having to delete the (c) to copyright symbol option in my autocorrect feature. I appreciate that many people prefer this behavior. I get it that developers have to make choices and they make those choices on the basis of what a majority of users want. That much I get. What I don't like is having to do it twice because neither AOO nor LO has all the features I need to get my work done, and that is because, for whatever reasons, the developers of the two office suites either can't or won't combine their efforts. Virgil -Original Message- From: NoOp Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:42 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites On 12/10/2012 02:28 PM, VA wrote: ... Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. ... ... I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
I'm obviously not communicating very well. I haven't had any conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage that leads to a crash or data loss from running all three programs, so I currently have no reason to file any bug reports. So, again, my question. Why is it not advisable to run LO and AOO on the same system? What harm does it do to my system? Virgil -Original Message- From: Fabian Rodriguez Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:30 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-12-11 07:25 AM, VA a écrit : I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. What harm can it do to my system? Right now, I have LO 3.5.7, AOO 3.4.1 and the LO 4 Beta. I have seen no problems at all. All you've told me is that it shouldn't be done and that you don't do it. Forgive me for being dense, but I still don't know why? Virgil I think you should. If you find a conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage that leads to a crash or data loss, it would be appreciated if you can file a bug on the three versions you run so they can be adjusted to better coexist. Keep in mind your use case is specific enough that there may not be significant effort to getting it fixed, though. Cheers, Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDHJ3EACgkQfUcTXFrypNUBBACfbTrAdhWi47hQ7ObxQXl3s1sO MAcAn2OYaaG6BJqOhc9UBDjfCK+n/LPW =vPp0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
Hi :) I think corruption is a lot rarer than might seem from these lists. This list is available all around the world and people of all skill levels post here. So we often get questions from people that have absolutely no experience of running OpenSource things on their system and that seems to be the vast majority of people that first approach these lists. (or they might have used Firefox and sometimes Thunderbird without realising they are OpenSource too). Of the upwards of 60 million users using LO we have had just a few score questions involving a corrupted User Profile. Making about 0.0002% of users. So the odds are about 99.9998% that you wont have a problem. If you are that unlucky then you already know how to fix it easily. Also you already know how to create a back-up before running into trouble. Regards from Tom :) From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 1:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites Tom, I absolutely agree. It never occurred to me to use the Paths function to point both programs to the same template folder. It’s a great idea. I was only concerned about corruption as I’ve seen that issue come up so many times on both LO and AOO user lists, although I’ve never had the problem with mine before. Virgil From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:09 PM To: VA ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites Hi :) It might be easier to keep track of your back-ups if you are only backing up 1 folder rather than 2. Regards from Tom :) -- From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 0:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites Tom, Thanks for the tip. But, don't I run the risk of having one or both programs corrupting my user configuration? Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:40 PM To: RODRIGUEZ FONSECA JORGE ALBERTO ; VA Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites Hi :) Perhaps try this in either Office Suite Tools - Options - Paths and set them both to read the same folders. That way all your settings should be the same regardless of which program you happen to have open at the time. I'm considering using that sort of approach to make the GnuLinux side of dual boots read the same settings as the WIndows side but i have a lot of other things to figure out first. Regards from Tom :) From: RODRIGUEZ FONSECA JORGE ALBERTO jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com To: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 10 December 2012, 22:53 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites +1 agree - Mensaje original - De: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Para: users@global.libreoffice.org Enviados: Lunes, 10 de Diciembre 2012 16:28:35 Asunto: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites I may be way out of line here, but I’m sending this post to the user lists for both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice. I have both programs on my computer and regularly use both. Like many of you out there, I have subscribed to both user lists. I don’t know the full history behind the Libre/Oracle split, but from what I have read on various forums and lists, there is considerable emotional pain resulting from the split. The result is two different FOSS office suites. Some have pleaded for the two to combine forces. Others have noted that the competition is good for the end user as it results in more rapid development of improvements to both suites. I see both sides, but I’d like to point out one thing I have noticed in my own use of the two programs. Some computer programs are what I would call “load and use.” Programs like web browsers and mail clients, etc., require little to no configuration or customization. One can simply do productive use without much thought. I can easily bounce back and forth between Internet Explorer and Firefox, Live Mail and Thunderbird. Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. While it’s not essential, I tend to customize my toolbars and have created helpful macros. Effectively using an office suite requires a commitment akin to a marriage. For this reason, bouncing back and forth between two suites is counterproductive. I find myself importing and exporting settings, styles, and templates
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 11/12/2012 at 14:28, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Of the upwards of 60 million users using LO we have had just a few score questions involving a corrupted User Profile. Making about 0.0002% of users. So the odds are about 99.9998% that you wont have a problem. Sorry, but no. First, how do you compute number of LO users? Some time ago Rob Weir (sadly he is biased towards LO) that there are some uncertainties on how TDF counts LO downloads. Second, count out all LO users who don't speak English (that is, how many? No one really knows and it would be really hard to get this number right). They are not capable of commenting LO bugs. Third, we don't really know what percentage of English-speaking LO users take time to report or comment bugs they have encountered. There are - perhaps majority - of users who encounter bug but try to work around them themselves. Or just dump application and use another one. And, last but not least, bugs tend to be deterministic - they will ALWAYS happen under certain circumstances (which may be uncommon). So if you want to talk about odds, you must tell what are the odds that certain user encounters certain circumstances that trigger bug. And this is place where things are getting really complicated. [0] http://www.robweir.com/blog/2012/10/libreoffices-dubious-claims-part-i- downloads.html -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-12-11 08:28 AM, Tom Davies a écrit : [...] Of the upwards of 60 million users using LO we have had just a few score questions involving a corrupted User Profile. Making about 0.0002% of users. So the odds are about 99.9998% that you wont have a problem. If you are that unlucky then you already know how to fix it easily. Also you already know how to create a back-up before running into trouble. When this happened, it hit me hard. I lost data. I had advised a bunch of people to use LibO which was crashing and loosing data, 100% of the time. This improves over time, but I generally prefer not increasing the odds of that happening - such as running a beta concurrently with stable/AOO version. You make your luck too ;) F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDHPs4ACgkQfUcTXFrypNW3OACggxYN2HYvinRM22GlIyvc28x+ lr8AoOBa4XEEu+Haw0sn5Ep3yw2T8bmG =gN2t -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-12-11 07:54 AM, VA a écrit : I'm obviously not communicating very well. I haven't had any conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage that leads to a crash or data loss from running all three programs, so I currently have no reason to file any bug reports. So, again, my question. Why is it not advisable to run LO and AOO on the same system? What harm does it do to my system? Because you may have a conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage *that leads to a crash* or data loss. / THAT LEADS TO A CRASH *** --- POSSIBLE HARM TO YOUR SYSTEM*/ (ie. software/OS normal operation) If your data isn't critical, this won't matter much. I run similar configurations on a Windows test system for example. I believe in your very first post you also indicated the forks will differ so much in the future that this won't remain practical/compatible enough. F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDHPiIACgkQfUcTXFrypNWO3wCgty1y2ZczJ/8HZtzjvhoD+EDf PCwAoMB2Jc6ENouMLyV1LXTeftjSj+GD =Q0aV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 12/11/2012 05:02 AM, Pedro wrote: NoOp wrote I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... So, based on this small detail you insinuate that the user is lying and ignore all the rest of the message... That is exactly the kind of support that people need on a User mailing list! Please think about this: Don't say/write everything that you think, but think everything that you say/write Are you using this extension? Compose Special Characters - extension - Compose Special Characters lets you type two or three characters and use a keyboard shortcut to convert them into a single accented or special character. You can also compose unicode characters using its 4 character unicode value. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally?
That feature (the MDI interface) of Microsoft Office appears to be going, going, gone ... in Office 2013/365 [;). It still exists in Office 2010 although in my work it is more annoying than helpful. In the Office 2013 preview, the Windows are separate and the side-by-side feature is gone from Excel. Even if you are in Excel with an open document, and you open another, it opens in another Excel window. This makes sense for the ways that Windows 7 and Windows 8 operate. It also has the Office Apps usable in consistent ways whether running from the Web, on a desktop, or on other devices. I don't know what the considerations were, but the simplification and consistency are apparent. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 04:40 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? Hi :) People have discussed various different ways that tabs could be implemented in LibreOffice. I would really like to see either of the main ways. The only one i could understand was having each tab as a different document but there was an old word-processor that had something very useful for working on documents longer than 1 page or so. Something like an advanced Navigation tool. In MS Office you can open more than one document and each one is opened inside the type of shell you see if you open LibreOffice without opening any document and just get the splash screen. That way you can maximise the Word window and have 2 or more documents in any arrangement you like without having multiple instances of their ribbon-bar and menus taking up even more excessive screen real-estate. Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: 'anne-ology' lagin...@gmail.com; 'Jorge' jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com; 'Tom' tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; 'Dr. R. O Stapf' reinh...@stapf-online.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 3:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? Hi. I can see 2 other interpretations from Anne-ology message. 1. She wants to be able to open the file twice, to visually compare the instance initially (and still) on disc with the instance edited in ram. 2. She wants to be able to visually compare 2 parts (paragraphs) in the same document. I used to do this many years ago on OS/2 in lotus or staroffice. Steve On 2012-12-11 15:41, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Umm, if two Text (.odt) documents have not changed dramatically, does not the Edit | Compare Document ... menu dialog provide a way of seeing how the currently open document is changed from another document? - Dennis -Original Message- From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 15:39 To: Jorge Cc: Tom; Dr. R. O Stapf; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? I wish this were true ... using WIN [now 7], it's not ;-( To be able to compare 2 versions side by side would be an asset - often, I've wanted to remember how something was worded ... so I have to close the document, open the other document then reverse the process because both versions cannot be open at the same time - I've tried minimizing one document but it closes on its own when the next document is opened - the computer is always a step ahead of me ;-) On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM, jorge jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com wrote: Hi: If I remember well...with LO you can compare two documents...and in Ubuntu there are some programs to do the same Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El vie, 07-12-2012 a las 00:21 +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) Side-by-side is fairly easy on Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04. Not sure about others but it's got to have originated somewhere and is probably on the cards elsewhere. Not sure about synchronised scrolling though, that part sounds like a good item for a feature-request / bug-report. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Report So, in Ubuntu 12.04 and Win7 just grab the first document's window and drag it to the far left as though you are dragging it off-screen. When a weird shadow fills half the screen let go. Whatever size and shape the windo had been it now fills half the screen. Do the same to the 2nd document's window but drag it to the right. Errr i choose left first just because it feels more comfortable to me. If you try to drag it off the top of the screen then the window tries to maximise. Of course you could use Alt Tab to flick between any windows on the workspace you are on and that can be a good way to compare quickly. Most GnuLinux distros also let you flick between different work-spaces quickly so changes jump
[libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 12/11/2012 02:02 AM, Pedro wrote: ... Please think about this: Don't say/write everything that you think, but think everything that you say/write ... I *highly* recommend that you follow your own 'advise'. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 2012-12-11 6:25 AM VA wrote: I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. What harm can it do to my system? Right now, I have LO 3.5.7, AOO 3.4.1 and the LO 4 Beta. I have seen no problems at all. All you've told me is that it shouldn't be done and that you don't do it. Forgive me for being dense, but I still don't know why? Virgil There is no reason to not use LO and AOO on the same system. They use different user profiles and are completely separate programs. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 12/11/2012 03:11 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Am 11.12.2012 06:42, schrieb NoOp: Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. My LibreOffice does this by default. LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Build-ID: 350m1(Build:2) delivered with Ubuntu 12.04 ... I also have that version installed: $ locate soffice.bin /opt/libreoffice3.4/program/soffice.bin /opt/libreoffice3.5/program/soffice.bin /opt/libreoffice3.6/program/soffice.bin /opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin == Ubuntu version 3.5.4.2 LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Build ID: 350m1(Build:2) This product was supplied by The Document Foundation, Debian and Ubuntu. Interesting, mine does not. Lowercase (c) = (c) Uppercase (C) = © Note: I've also tested the same on my Windows versions. I wonder if perhaps it may be due to the lanuguage/local. $ locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE= LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL= -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 2012-12-11 8:07 AM Fabian Rodriguez wrote: Because you may have a conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage*that leads to a crash* or data loss. LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice use different user profiles. They are completely separate programs and there is no conflict. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 11/12/12 11:23, Ian Whitfield wrote: On 12/11/2012 01:11 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Am 11.12.2012 06:42, schrieb NoOp: Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. My LibreOffice does this by default. LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Build-ID: 350m1(Build:2) delivered with Ubuntu 12.04 Mine does _NOT_ - LO 3.6.2.2 on PCLinuxOS 2012. (c) does not, (C) does. LO 3.6.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 11/12/2012 at 14:48, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote: Rob Weir (sadly he is biased towards LO) Should be: Rob Weir (sadly he is biased against LO). Tom pointed it out off the list; thanks! -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
(c) does not, (C) does. LO 3.6.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 ...Same on Ubuntu Raring LO 3.6.2.2 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 12/11/2012 04:50 AM, VA wrote: Don't misunderstand me. I'm not upset about having to delete the (c) to copyright symbol option in my autocorrect feature. I appreciate that many people prefer this behavior. I get it that developers have to make choices and they make those choices on the basis of what a majority of users want. That much I get. Understand. The auto insert symbol most likely goes back to this 2002 OOo bug: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=4579 [Special Character Shortcuts] The initial definitions for the autocorrect are located in the /autocorr directory. They are simple ziped .dat files (DocumentList.xml is the actual file) probably could be modified then copied across like a standard template. What I don't like is having to do it twice because neither AOO nor LO has all the features I need to get my work done, and that is because, for whatever reasons, the developers of the two office suites either can't or won't combine their efforts. You might want to look at the archives of the AOO dev list. The early posts regarding this issue provide an interesting read. Virgil -Original Message- From: NoOp Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:42 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites On 12/10/2012 02:28 PM, VA wrote: ... Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. ... ... I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
2012/12/11 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net On 12/10/2012 02:28 PM, VA wrote: ... Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. ... ... I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next.. Running LO v 3.6.0.1 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:101)) on 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04, I see what NoOp describes above. However, when I want to get © rather than avoid it, I just perform «Alt Gr + c», which is simpler (this on a standard 105 key Scandinavian keyboard) Henri -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
Hi :) Errr, sharing your User Profile between AOO and LO sounds like a really BAD idea after all. I thought it would be jolly clever to try it but if there is risk of DATA LOSS then please do AVOID it!! (Another advantage of a mailing list / forum is that mistakes hopefully get noticed before causing problems. Data loss is a pretty serious problem) Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 14:07 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-12-11 07:54 AM, VA a écrit : I'm obviously not communicating very well. I haven't had any conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage that leads to a crash or data loss from running all three programs, so I currently have no reason to file any bug reports. So, again, my question. Why is it not advisable to run LO and AOO on the same system? What harm does it do to my system? Because you may have a conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage *that leads to a crash* or data loss. / THAT LEADS TO A CRASH *** --- POSSIBLE HARM TO YOUR SYSTEM*/ (ie. software/OS normal operation) If your data isn't critical, this won't matter much. I run similar configurations on a Windows test system for example. I believe in your very first post you also indicated the forks will differ so much in the future that this won't remain practical/compatible enough. F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDHPiIACgkQfUcTXFrypNWO3wCgty1y2ZczJ/8HZtzjvhoD+EDf PCwAoMB2Jc6ENouMLyV1LXTeftjSj+GD =Q0aV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally?
Maybe you can view 2 different documents, but for me the first one closes when I open the next one - it is listed in the 'recent' log, but I'm unable to open more than 1 document at the same time. For instance, a while back I was composing a letter which I wanted to begin end in much the same way; I typed it out to the first person ... it's saved, then for the next person, I could either delete the mid-section and type in the message to that person or copy paste to a new document ... then delete the mid-section, ... BUT I could not keep the first letter open and revert back and forth ... ... ... Maybe that's what all those ~lock files are; I delete these as they appear, because I have no clue as to why they are appearing ... am I deleting the ability to view documents side-by-side ??? the more I learn of these machines, the stupider I feel ;-) Oh, BTW, LO quit working again last night ... but once again after clearing the caches, turning off the machine for the night, it's operational again this morning ;-) Is it me or the machine ... I think the machine is winning ... I think I belong in the horse 'n buggy era ... ... ... ;-) ;-) ;-) On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: If you want to compare one document with an earlier version, and you have both, do the following. Open the first document in LibreOffice Writer. When it is open, go to the menu above the document. Click Edit On the pull-down menu, click Compare Document ... A file open dialog will appear. Use it to open the earlier document. Writer now has a document that shows the changes from one to the other. Scroll through the result and see how the changes to the older document that result in the newer one. You can save this as a third document if you want. Or you can always make another comparison again. This may not be exactly what you are looking for, but it is very useful to know about. - Dennis Also, in working with a document, you can record changes as you do it. You can see the changes (show them as you type), or you can simply record them. Then you can show them whenever you want, change your mind, etc. This is on the Edit | Changes dialog. Turn on Edit | Changes | Record and the changes you make from then on are remembered and can be shown. From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 20:01 To: Dennis Cc: Jorge; Tom; Dr. R. O Stapf; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? well, now you've lost me ;-) On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Umm, if two Text (.odt) documents have not changed dramatically, does not the Edit | Compare Document ... menu dialog provide a way of seeing how the currently open document is changed from another document? - Dennis From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 15:39 To: Jorge Cc: Tom; Dr. R. O Stapf; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? I wish this were true ... using WIN [now 7], it's not ;-( To be able to compare 2 versions side by side would be an asset - often, I've wanted to remember how something was worded ... so I have to close the document, open the other document then reverse the process because both versions cannot be open at the same time - I've tried minimizing one document but it closes on its own when the next document is opened - the computer is always a step ahead of me ;-) On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM, jorge jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com wrote: Hi: If I remember well...with LO you can compare two documents...and in Ubuntu there are some programs to do the same Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El vie, 07-12-2012 a las 00:21 +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) Side-by-side is fairly easy on Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04. Not sure about others but it's got to have originated somewhere and is probably on the cards elsewhere. Not sure about synchronised scrolling though, that part sounds like a good item for a feature-request / bug-report. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Report So, in Ubuntu 12.04 and Win7 just grab the first document's window and drag it to the far left as though you are dragging it off-screen. When a weird shadow fills half the screen let go. Whatever size and shape the windo had been it now fills half the screen. Do the same to the 2nd document's window but drag it to the right. Errr i choose left first just because it feels more comfortable to me. If you try to drag it off the top of the screen then the
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally?
sounds sensible to me :-) But the program I really liked was the first one I had with my first computer - back-when-DOS - the program has never been updated ... it allowed me to type in one half of the screen while viewing something in the other half; in that way, I could add quotes, poems, ... without having to close down the document in order to open another, ... ... ... computing ... computing ... does not compute ;-) On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) People have discussed various different ways that tabs could be implemented in LibreOffice. I would really like to see either of the main ways. The only one i could understand was having each tab as a different document but there was an old word-processor that had something very useful for working on documents longer than 1 page or so. Something like an advanced Navigation tool. In MS Office you can open more than one document and each one is opened inside the type of shell you see if you open LibreOffice without opening any document and just get the splash screen. That way you can maximise the Word window and have 2 or more documents in any arrangement you like without having multiple instances of their ribbon-bar and menus taking up even more excessive screen real-estate. Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: 'anne-ology' lagin...@gmail.com; 'Jorge' jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com; 'Tom' tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; 'Dr. R. O Stapf' reinh...@stapf-online.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 3:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? Hi. I can see 2 other interpretations from Anne-ology message. 1. She wants to be able to open the file twice, to visually compare the instance initially (and still) on disc with the instance edited in ram. 2. She wants to be able to visually compare 2 parts (paragraphs) in the same document. I used to do this many years ago on OS/2 in lotus or staroffice. Steve On 2012-12-11 15:41, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Umm, if two Text (.odt) documents have not changed dramatically, does not the Edit | Compare Document ... menu dialog provide a way of seeing how the currently open document is changed from another document? - Dennis From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 15:39 To: Jorge Cc: Tom; Dr. R. O Stapf; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? I wish this were true ... using WIN [now 7], it's not ;-( To be able to compare 2 versions side by side would be an asset - often, I've wanted to remember how something was worded ... so I have to close the document, open the other document then reverse the process because both versions cannot be open at the same time - I've tried minimizing one document but it closes on its own when the next document is opened - the computer is always a step ahead of me ;-) On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM, jorge jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com wrote: Hi: If I remember well...with LO you can compare two documents...and in Ubuntu there are some programs to do the same Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El vie, 07-12-2012 a las 00:21 +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) Side-by-side is fairly easy on Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04. Not sure about others but it's got to have originated somewhere and is probably on the cards elsewhere. Not sure about synchronised scrolling though, that part sounds like a good item for a feature-request / bug-report. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Report So, in Ubuntu 12.04 and Win7 just grab the first document's window and drag it to the far left as though you are dragging it off-screen. When a weird shadow fills half the screen let go. Whatever size and shape the windo had been it now fills half the screen. Do the same to the 2nd document's window but drag it to the right. Errr i choose left first just because it feels more comfortable to me. If you try to drag it off the top of the screen then the window tries to maximise. Of course you could use Alt Tab to flick between any windows on the workspace you are on and that can be a good way to compare quickly. Most GnuLinux distros also let you flick between different work-spaces quickly so changes jump out at you that way too. Windows users probably aren't familiar with the spinning cube (which i can never get to work). Of course Ubuntu kinda lost that quick flick between workspaces in 11.04 using Unity (unless i'm missing a key-combo (which is highly likely)) Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally?
simplification is apparent ??? to whom ??? To have to close down one file in order to open another, etc. etc. etc. rather than allowing each to remain open in their half of the screen seems the most sensible and simplest method - it's also the way many folks worked pre-computers - with the data spread out on the desktop - and floor - ready at the spur of the moment. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: That feature (the MDI interface) of Microsoft Office appears to be going, going, gone ... in Office 2013/365 [;). It still exists in Office 2010 although in my work it is more annoying than helpful. In the Office 2013 preview, the Windows are separate and the side-by-side feature is gone from Excel. Even if you are in Excel with an open document, and you open another, it opens in another Excel window. This makes sense for the ways that Windows 7 and Windows 8 operate. It also has the Office Apps usable in consistent ways whether running from the Web, on a desktop, or on other devices. I don't know what the considerations were, but the simplification and consistency are apparent. - Dennis From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 04:40 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? Hi :) People have discussed various different ways that tabs could be implemented in LibreOffice. I would really like to see either of the main ways. The only one i could understand was having each tab as a different document but there was an old word-processor that had something very useful for working on documents longer than 1 page or so. Something like an advanced Navigation tool. In MS Office you can open more than one document and each one is opened inside the type of shell you see if you open LibreOffice without opening any document and just get the splash screen. That way you can maximise the Word window and have 2 or more documents in any arrangement you like without having multiple instances of their ribbon-bar and menus taking up even more excessive screen real-estate. Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: 'anne-ology' lagin...@gmail.com; 'Jorge' jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com; 'Tom' tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; 'Dr. R. O Stapf' reinh...@stapf-online.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 3:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? Hi. I can see 2 other interpretations from Anne-ology message. 1. She wants to be able to open the file twice, to visually compare the instance initially (and still) on disc with the instance edited in ram. 2. She wants to be able to visually compare 2 parts (paragraphs) in the same document. I used to do this many years ago on OS/2 in lotus or staroffice. Steve On 2012-12-11 15:41, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Umm, if two Text (.odt) documents have not changed dramatically, does not the Edit | Compare Document ... menu dialog provide a way of seeing how the currently open document is changed from another document? - Dennis From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 15:39 To: Jorge Cc: Tom; Dr. R. O Stapf; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? I wish this were true ... using WIN [now 7], it's not ;-( To be able to compare 2 versions side by side would be an asset - often, I've wanted to remember how something was worded ... so I have to close the document, open the other document then reverse the process because both versions cannot be open at the same time - I've tried minimizing one document but it closes on its own when the next document is opened - the computer is always a step ahead of me ;-) On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM, jorge jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com wrote: Hi: If I remember well...with LO you can compare two documents...and in Ubuntu there are some programs to do the same Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El vie, 07-12-2012 a las 00:21 +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) Side-by-side is fairly easy on Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04. Not sure about others but it's got to have originated somewhere and is probably on the cards elsewhere. Not sure about synchronised scrolling though, that part sounds like a good item for a feature-request / bug-report. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Report So, in Ubuntu 12.04 and Win7 just grab the first document's window and drag it to the far left as though you are dragging it off-screen. When a weird shadow fills half the screen let go. Whatever size and shape the windo had been it now fills half the
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally?
Hi :) The lock files should disappear when you close the document. It's supposed to help prevent soemone else from editing the file at the same time as you or to prevent you from accidentally opening a copy of a file that you have already opened. For example if you spent hours editing a document without saving it and then opened a copy without the editing then if you saved the 2nd copy after closing the first one then you would lose all your hours of editing. There is something seriously wrong with your machine if you can't open 2 documents at the same time. Hopefully it's only the User Profile of LO that is so stuffed-up. I forget whether you are using Windows or GnuLinux (Ubuntu or something). Do you know how much Ram your machine has and how fast the Cpu is? On Windows right-click on My Computer and choose Properties at the bottom of the right-click menu. The General tab should show you how much ram it thinks you have. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dennis dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: Jorge jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com; Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 19:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? Maybe you can view 2 different documents, but for me the first one closes when I open the next one - it is listed in the 'recent' log, but I'm unable to open more than 1 document at the same time. For instance, a while back I was composing a letter which I wanted to begin end in much the same way; I typed it out to the first person ... it's saved, then for the next person, I could either delete the mid-section and type in the message to that person or copy paste to a new document ... then delete the mid-section, ... BUT I could not keep the first letter open and revert back and forth ... ... ... Maybe that's what all those ~lock files are; I delete these as they appear, because I have no clue as to why they are appearing ... am I deleting the ability to view documents side-by-side ??? the more I learn of these machines, the stupider I feel ;-) Oh, BTW, LO quit working again last night ... but once again after clearing the caches, turning off the machine for the night, it's operational again this morning ;-) Is it me or the machine ... I think the machine is winning ... I think I belong in the horse 'n buggy era ... ... ... ;-) ;-) ;-) On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: If you want to compare one document with an earlier version, and you have both, do the following. Open the first document in LibreOffice Writer. When it is open, go to the menu above the document. Click Edit On the pull-down menu, click Compare Document ... A file open dialog will appear. Use it to open the earlier document. Writer now has a document that shows the changes from one to the other. Scroll through the result and see how the changes to the older document that result in the newer one. You can save this as a third document if you want. Or you can always make another comparison again. This may not be exactly what you are looking for, but it is very useful to know about. - Dennis Also, in working with a document, you can record changes as you do it. You can see the changes (show them as you type), or you can simply record them. Then you can show them whenever you want, change your mind, etc. This is on the Edit | Changes dialog. Turn on Edit | Changes | Record and the changes you make from then on are remembered and can be shown. From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 20:01 To: Dennis Cc: Jorge; Tom; Dr. R. O Stapf; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? well, now you've lost me ;-) On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Umm, if two Text (.odt) documents have not changed dramatically, does not the Edit | Compare Document ... menu dialog provide a way of seeing how the currently open document is changed from another document? - Dennis From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 15:39 To: Jorge Cc: Tom; Dr. R. O Stapf; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally? I wish this were true ... using WIN [now 7], it's not ;-( To be able to compare 2 versions side by side would be an asset - often, I've wanted to remember how something was worded ... so I have to close the document, open the other document then reverse the process because both versions
[libreoffice-users] LO does not start in Windows Vista
Greetings I have been running LO on ubuntu for a while without any problem. I have now installed the following version LibO_3.6.4_Win_x86_install_multi on a PC running MS-Vista with th following characteristics: processor: Intel Core 2 CPU T5500@1.66 GHz RAM: 2 GB system type 32-bit Operating system. The installation went - in principle - fine (no error message, no warnings, no nothing), and .xls file have been associated with LO. However, when I try to run it (no matter how I try to start it), nothing happens. I have also tried to uninstall it and start again but nothing changed. Any idea what the problem could be? I have no other office suite installe on my PC and the firewall was disabled. Cheers Schultz101 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-does-not-start-in-Windows-Vista-tp4023836.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
Virgil, Thanks! It can't be said better! Isn't the statement that competition helps to improve not simply an excuse to not being force to work on an attempt that both (LibO AOO) teams can work together again? Isn't MSO a good competitor, which helps improve an OpenSource Office (the combination of LibO and AOO) suit being available for those who just cannot afford MSO? I really would like to understand what attempts have been made to get both teams together and why the attempts failed? And when will the next attempt be made? I German is a phrase which I found being translated at LEO into English as: Constant dripping wears away the stone. The Japanese say: Until the ears hurt. I hope the responsible persons of LibO and AOO keep talking to each other until they find a way to cooperate again as one team to create the best Office Suit available and affordable for those with less financial resources. That is the real challenge and worthwhile to go for it. ROSt52 On 2012-12-11 07:28, VA wrote: I may be way out of line here, but I’m sending this post to the user lists for both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice. I have both programs on my computer and regularly use both. Like many of you out there, I have subscribed to both user lists. I don’t know the full history behind the Libre/Oracle split, but from what I have read on various forums and lists, there is considerable emotional pain resulting from the split. The result is two different FOSS office suites. Some have pleaded for the two to combine forces. Others have noted that the competition is good for the end user as it results in more rapid development of improvements to both suites. I see both sides, but I’d like to point out one thing I have noticed in my own use of the two programs. Some computer programs are what I would call “load and use.” Programs like web browsers and mail clients, etc., require little to no configuration or customization. One can simply do productive use without much thought. I can easily bounce back and forth between Internet Explorer and Firefox, Live Mail and Thunderbird. Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. While it’s not essential, I tend to customize my toolbars and have created helpful macros. Effectively using an office suite requires a commitment akin to a marriage. For this reason, bouncing back and forth between two suites is counterproductive. I find myself importing and exporting settings, styles, and templates between the two programs rather than simply doing my work. Why do I put up with this inconvenience? Because each program has essential virtues over the other. For example, if I need to properly hyphenate my US English, I use LibreOffice as (to date), OpenOffice fails to properly hyphenate US English. But, if I need to create mailing lists, as I just did for Christmas cards, I use OpenOffice as its Avery 5160 template is more properly aligned than that found in LibreOffice. LibreOffice remembers my hierarchical stylelist setting, whereas OpenOffice does not, but OpenOffice more effectively supports the advanced Graphite features of the Linux Libertine font. So, depending on my specific needs, I bounce back and forth. I’m sure many would suggest that I help out by reporting bugs. I have done so, but even I get lost keeping track of the bugs of each program that I am most interested in following. I suspect this situation will only get worse as each program develops features that will be lacking in the other. And, while I’m not a developer, my guess is that both programs are so complex that keeping up with each other will become an increasingly elusive effort. And, the time will come when decisions will be made NOT to implement features found in the other program. I truly like the motivation generated with competition, and sometimes having multiple programs on my computer to meet specialized needs can be helpful. But, in the world of office suites, where user commitment is essential to effective use, it would be very helpful to us end users if TDF and Apache could somehow overcome their differences and join forces to give us one glorious office suites rather than two almost glorious office suites. These are just my thoughts. I’d be curious as to how many others are using both programs because of advantages of each over the other. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
