[libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL-Connector

[Alex Thurgood]

On 02/15/2013 10:24 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Tom,

> Is there a problem with running different versions on different OSes?  It 
> should be fine t do that shouldn't it?
> Regards from
> Tom :)  
> 

Please, please, pretty please, sometimes I really do get the impression
you have not read anything we have exchanged in the past on this topic.

On Unix/Linux, and for LibreOffice, the native connector is dependent on :

- the OS version ;
- the bit architecture ;
- the version of libmysqlclient ;
- the version of libmysqlcppconn ;
- the version of LO.

This means that if I build a mysql connector on say PCBSD 9.1, it will
not work on Ubuntu, Suse, Redhat or Debian. Even if I build a 32bit
version of the connector on a Suse 32bit OS, the functionality on
another version of that same OS is not guaranteed if the versions of
libmysqlclient or libmysqlcppconn are different between the two
versions, notwithstanding the fact that it will not work at all on a
64bit Suse OS (different architectures).

So, the situation today is that for each Linux/Unix OS, and each major
version of that OS, the connector has to be built separately.

In addition to these niceties, the build of the connector regularly gets
screwed by devs changing things for one OS (mostly Linux), without
giving a *expletive* about the other OSes. This is currently the case at
least for Mac OSX, thanks to recent changes in the gbuild process for
mysqlc and mysqlcppconn. As I don't build on Windows (and do not intend
to), I really don't know what the situation is there currently.

The situation over at ApacheOO is different. There, the connector is
built by another volunteer, using the SDK, i.e. in theory, it produces
an OS version agnostic mysql connector. However, the differences in code
trees between LO and AOO now mean that the connector for AOO no longer
works in LO4, or at least, that is what Heinrich has reported (and
Robert too, I believe).


Alex














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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Oh no!  Was that what you were looking for from the start?  I thought you were 
looking for soemthing a lot more complicated so it didn't occur to me.  I only 
learned of it recently and haven't used it myself yet.  

Sorry chap!
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: bill 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 21:52
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
> 
>On 2/15/2013 1:47 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
>> On 02/15/2013 01:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> Ahh, there was something about
>>> Ctrl Enter
>>> inside a cell makes an extra newline inside the cell itself.  It doesn't 
>>> sub-divide the cell but does just give you a newline in there.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>> CTRL + Enter inserts a new line within the cell
>That is terrific - thanks
>
>-- Bill Drescher
>william {at} TechServSys {dot} com
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[libreoffice-users] Final proof-reading/beta-testing of Getting Started Guide v4.0

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The new Getting Started Guide is nearly ready!  You can have a sneak preview at 
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/published-lo-4.0/gs4.0-full-book-pdf/view
Please let us know if anything appears to be wrong.  


The guide will appear on the proper wiki in a couple of days and then in the 
Lulu bookstore and  maybe on the official LibreOffice website a few days after 
that.  Sorry i can't give precise release dates.  



Errr, please noticethat i have heavily edited Jean's email to hopefully make 
more sense to the Users List.  The original was written for the Docs Team.  
Normally i would dare edit other people's post in lists but be aware that it's 
always possible.  

Regards from
Tom :) 






>
> From: Jean Weber 
>
>[but i edited her email a bit]
>
>To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2013, 3:21
>Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started v4.0 guide ready for 
>proofing
> 
>A PDF of the full book is now on the ODFAuthors website. You do not
>need a login to get to it and take a copy.
>http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/published-lo-4.0/gs4.0-full-book-pdf/view
>
>It is now time for final checking of the book, looking for glaring
>errors, by which I mean things like this:
>* Missing figures (blank spaces where figures should be)
>* Bad page breaks (for example, big gaps at bottom of a page)
>
>Please let the docs list (or this list)  know if you spot anything a bit wrong.
>
>You are also welcome to suggest improvements etc, but they will be put
>on the list for a later edition of the book, not incorporated into this one.
>
>This is a good job for anyone, including total newcomers to the
>project. You don't need to know anything about the program or have
>good English skills; all you need is to be able to pay attention and
>notice things like those listed above.  
>
>If you are skilled enough to know what these following 2 things mean then 
>please join the docs team (if you haven't already), and/or just let us know if 
>there are problems with them
>* Missing x-refs (message similar to "Error: reference not found")
>* Wrong figure x-refs (pointing to the wrong figure) -- the most common problem
>
>More than one person can check the file at the same time. People see
>different things. Or you can start at the last chapter and work
>forward, or in the middle... anything to get all chapters looked at by
>someone in addition to me.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>I will also incorporate any corrections to factual errors that anyone
>finds in the chapter files.
>
>--Jean
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
???!?!!?!??

Ahh.  You were talking about on-screen buttons?  The ones under the vertical 
scroll bar?  Middle one is called "Navigation".  I was talking about keyboard 
buttons.  Now i'm not sure what anyone else was talking about.  It's 4am though 
so i might still be dreaming or having a nightmare or something.  I thought i 
understood but now i'm flummoxed.  

Regards form
Tom :)  





>
> From: Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 22:24
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next
> 
>Le 15/02/2013 22:59, bill a écrit :
>> 
>> I am keeping the same thread as it is closely related.
>> The one thing that I really don't like is that as soon as you do a
>> search the page down button becomes "continue search forward" and the
>> page up becomes "continue search backwards."  That is fine while you are
>> searching, but how does one return it to page up and page down ?
>
>You'll notice that then the page buttons are changing colours: by default, 
>they turn blue in search mode while they are black in scroll mode.
>
>To get back from the search mode to the scroll mode, just click the center 
>button (whatitsname?) and select the page icon.
>
>HTH,
>-- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice

[Stephen Morris]

On 02/13/2013 09:01 PM, Michael Meeks wrote:

Hi Stephen,

On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 07:59 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:

Out of interest do you have a bug or two you want to hack on there ?
the Pivot table code is in:

sc/source/ui/dbgui/dpgroupdlg.cxx


One of the issues I have with pivot tables in calc is that calc won't
allow input variables to be renamed at pivot table creation time, it
only allows renaming variables after table creation by editing the data
in the header cells. Calc also doesn't allow renaming of variables in
the page section of the pivot table. Calc doesn't allow the
specification of formats for the variables being added at creation time,
or at a later date via the menus as excel does, Calc only provides the
ability to do it after creation of the table by applying formats to the
cells in the table, hence if cells are re-arranged the formatting gets
out of whack, and if the source data changes such that more rows are
added on refresh, the additional rows won't have the format applied.

Oh - interesting. So the formats thing sounds like a useful core
feature you'd want to add to the pivot rendering; and the other bits are
UI features. Certainly you'd be most welcome to work on this - Kohei is
prolly the best contact here.

The first thing to do is to get a build:

http://www.libreoffice.org/developers-2/

When you have a working build of master, then we can get going with
some more code reading & pointers,

How does that sound ? in general it's great to include the developers
list too (no subscription required) just CC libreoffice-dev


All the best,

Michael.

Hi Michael,
That sounds great. I will probably need help when writing and 
designing the solution, as having not looked at the source code before 
I'm not sure how easy it will be to write it platform independent. Also, 
what I'm not sure about, which is more critical, is that if implement 
the functionality in a similar way to excel, am I breaching Microsoft 
copywrite and patents?


regards,
Steve



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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: bill 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:59:03 -0500

> 
> I am keeping the same thread as it is closely related. The one thing
> that I really don't like is that as soon as you do a search the page
> down button becomes "continue search forward" and the page up becomes
> "continue search backwards."  That is fine while you are searching,
> but how does one return it to page up and page down ?
> 
> 
> --Bill Drescher william {at} TechServSys {dot} com

Which version of LO are you using? I would really like to have that
facility.

Maybe the 'Esc' key would return the paging key to normal operation.

Dave



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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 15/02/2013 22:59, bill a écrit :


I am keeping the same thread as it is closely related.
The one thing that I really don't like is that as soon as you do a
search the page down button becomes "continue search forward" and the
page up becomes "continue search backwards."  That is fine while you are
searching, but how does one return it to page up and page down ?


You'll notice that then the page buttons are changing colours: by 
default, they turn blue in search mode while they are black in scroll mode.


To get back from the search mode to the scroll mode, just click the 
center button (whatitsname?) and select the page icon.


HTH,
--
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[libreoffice-users] page down in word processors - find next

[bill]

I am keeping the same thread as it is closely related.
The one thing that I really don't like is that as soon as you do 
a search the page down button becomes "continue search forward" 
and the page up becomes "continue search backwards."  That is 
fine while you are searching, but how does one return it to page 
up and page down ?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

[bill]

On 2/15/2013 1:47 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/15/2013 01:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Ahh, there was something about
Ctrl Enter
inside a cell makes an extra newline inside the cell itself.  
It doesn't sub-divide the cell but does just give you a 
newline in there.

Regards from
Tom :)

CTRL + Enter inserts a new line within the cell

That is terrific - thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Eric Beversluis]

On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 14:49 -0600, anne-ology wrote:
>but the computer's page is different from the printed page  ;-)
You're missing the point, which is that the scrolling is not consistent
in presenting a new set of lines except for a one or two line overlap
with the previous set of lines.

Btw, the kind of behavior I like does seem to happen on gedit and
Evolution. So I think it's something in the way the word processor is
designed to interact with the PgDn button.
> 
>BTW - Brian, I think your explanation was very good.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:
> 
> Hi :)
> > Yes, the button probably should say "Screen down" instead of page down for
> > most uses of the button and only say "Page down" for those rare cases where
> > it really does mean a page.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> > PS blimey a short answer for once!!  lol
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: Brian Barker 
> > >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > >Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15
> > >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
> > >
> > >At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> > >> Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$
> > Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get
> > a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines.
> > One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may
> > only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years,
> > I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
> > >
> > >I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of
> > software.  E-readers are what they say they are: readers.  In other words,
> > their users are using them to read documents.  More than that, in general
> > they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end
> > of one page, they will next want to see the next page.  And the only sense
> > of "page" is as much as fills the screen of the display device.
> > >
> > >Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still fixated
> > on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual
> > supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and
> > format of the screen used for display.  People usually choose settings that
> > display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such
> > a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have
> > missed part of the text.
> > >
> > >But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing,
> > not reading.  If you are editing at one point in a document and you now
> > need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at
> > all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a
> > following page.  It is much more likely that you would want to be able to
> > see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the
> > part on which you had just been working.
> > >
> > >The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen
> > but only from hard copy.  It is interesting that software has been moving
> > towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly.  Microsoft
> > Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a "slide show", in which
> > case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing.
> > Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not
> > necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function
> > works as you want.  There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from
> > Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed.  Again,
> > since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests
> > by moving down a screenful.  Oh, and try opening a read-only file with
> > LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat "page down"
> > differently and move down (almost) a screenful.
> > >
> > >Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading
> > mode for use in reading, not editing, documents?  Possibly.  Meanwhile, if
> > you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your
> > workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to
> > toggle on this behaviour.
> > >
> > >I trust this helps.
> > >
> > >Brian Barker
> > >
> >
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] MySQL-Connector

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Is there a problem with running different versions on different OSes?  It 
should be fine t do that shouldn't it?
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Heinrich Stoellinger 
>To: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:59
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] MySQL-Connector
> 
>Hello,
>I know I have gone on about the native connector before. My situtation
>is like this at the moment:
>- it works like a charm on 4.0.0.3 running Debian-Wheezy
>- it neither works on Mint-Nadia or Windows-Vista (I know, I know --
>  I should upgrade THAT system!). The connector DID however work under
>  Vista and LO 3.6.5.
>Unfortunately I really don't have the time to compile it myself...
>What are the plans in any case?
>Regards
>H.S.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[anne-ology]

   The files in Dropbox are encryptable and only accessable by those
who have that particular URL.



On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM, IBBoard  wrote:

Sharepoint is a self-hosted solution. You are relying on a Microsoft
> product, but the documents are never handed over to Microsoft and none of
> the files never leave your network. It isn't perfect, but is generally
> fairly secure (as secure as your networks, anyway) and companies can use
> it.
>
> Dropbox is an unencrypted cloud solution. Once it is on the Dropbox severs
> then any of the Dropbox staff /could/ read it. Or it could be copied or
> otherwise lost by people who aren't your employees. Or it could be leaked
> as party of a wider Dropbox hack/leak. Or it could be retrieved by a
> foreign government (USA, I think) without your knowledge. Generally, it is
> out of your corporate network perimeter and hence out of your control. In
> general, that is *not* a good thing.
>
> That's not to say people can't use Dropbox. If you don't value your files
> (or have some reason to trust that nothing will happen to your unencrypted
> files in an unknown data centre or data centres) then that might be fine,
> but for a company that has to protect its ideas and business secrets then
> an internally hosted solution is the only sensible option, even if it is
> from Microsoft.
> On Feb 14, 2013 6:21 PM, "Felmon Davis"  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, IBBoard wrote:
> >
> >  Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a
> >> business,
> >> that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important
> documents
> >> go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system
> >> (like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally.
> >>
> >> Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document
> >> management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN
> share
> >> it does versioning and workflow.
> >>
> >> Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. A normal user will
> >> never
> >> need it.
> >>
> >
> > I don't understand the relation between these propositions:
> >
> > a) "Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a
> > business, that is unacceptable..."
> >
> > b) "Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses."
> >
> > is the point that it is better for a business that Microsoft hold their
> > documents than that Busybox does?
> >
> > just seeking clarification.
> >
> > (I have Busybox but don't use it for a number of reasons; I am not
> > acquainted enough with Sharepoint.)
> >
> > F.
> >
> >  On Feb 14, 2013 5:28 PM, "anne-ology"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Content Management System  ;-) ... LAN  ;-) ... a wiki ;-)  ???
> >>>
> >>>   as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with
> the
> >>> KISs method  ;-)
> >>>
> >>>But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with
> 6Gb
> >>> of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents -
> >>>and MsFt does not have any control over this  :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Tom Davies  >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi :)
> >>> > Ahh, so is it a sort of Content Management System that can be used to
> >>> hold
> >>> > documents centrally, like putting them on a shared folder on a Lan so
> >>> that
> >>> > everyone can work on the same file instead of each generating
> different
> >>> > copies and then trying to compare all the different ones to
> incorporate
> >>> all
> >>> > the different changes?  Sort of like a wiki?
> >>> > Regards from
> >>> > Tom :)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >   --
> >>> > *From:* anne-ology 
> >>> > *To:* Tom 
> >>> > *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
> >>> > *Sent:* Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:53
> >>> > *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
> >>> >
> >>> >   Just 'searched' and found this -
> >>> >   http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=s12Jb5Z2xaE<
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12Jb5Z2xaE>
> >>> >
> >>> >   Seems somewhat silly since we could all benefit if we were to
> use
> >>> > DropBox -
> >>> >   http://db.tt/v1nUSr8M
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Tom Davies  >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi :)
> >>> > > Has anyone managed to get MS Sharepoint working with 4.0.0?
> >>>  Apparently
> >>> > > it's one of the features that are supposed to be in the 4.0.0
> >>> although
> >>> i
> >>> > > have no idea what SharePoint is nor why anyone would use it.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > According to the comments under this article
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/**02/libreoffice-40-available-**
> >>> for-download.html<
> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/libreoffice-40-available-for-download.html>
> >>> > > Somewhere about 1/4 up from the bottom
> >>> > > "Алексей Бродкин • 6 days ago
> >>> > > It seems like some of highlighted options are missing from this
> >>> release.
> >>> > > 1. 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[anne-ology]

   I agree.



On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Felmon Davis  wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, IBBoard wrote:
>
>  Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a
>> business,
>> that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important documents
>> go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system
>> (like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally.
>>
>> Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document
>> management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN share
>> it does versioning and workflow.
>>
>> Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. A normal user will
>> never
>> need it.
>>
>
> I don't understand the relation between these propositions:
>
> a) "Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a
> business, that is unacceptable..."
>
> b) "Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses."
>
> is the point that it is better for a business that Microsoft hold their
> documents than that Busybox does?
>
> just seeking clarification.
>
> (I have Busybox but don't use it for a number of reasons; I am not
> acquainted enough with Sharepoint.)
>
>
> F.
>
>  On Feb 14, 2013 5:28 PM, "anne-ology"  wrote:
>>
>> Content Management System  ;-) ... LAN  ;-) ... a wiki ;-)  ???
>>>
>>>   as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with the
>>> KISs method  ;-)
>>>
>>>But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with 6Gb
>>> of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents -
>>>and MsFt does not have any control over this  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Tom Davies >> >wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi :)
>>> > Ahh, so is it a sort of Content Management System that can be used to
>>> hold
>>> > documents centrally, like putting them on a shared folder on a Lan so
>>> that
>>> > everyone can work on the same file instead of each generating different
>>> > copies and then trying to compare all the different ones to incorporate
>>> all
>>> > the different changes?  Sort of like a wiki?
>>> > Regards from
>>> > Tom :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   --
>>> > *From:* anne-ology 
>>> > *To:* Tom 
>>> > *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> > *Sent:* Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:53
>>> > *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
>>> >
>>> >   Just 'searched' and found this -
>>> >   
>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=s12Jb5Z2xaE
>>> >
>>> >   Seems somewhat silly since we could all benefit if we were to use
>>> > DropBox -
>>> >   http://db.tt/v1nUSr8M
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Tom Davies 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi :)
>>> > > Has anyone managed to get MS Sharepoint working with 4.0.0?
>>>  Apparently
>>> > > it's one of the features that are supposed to be in the 4.0.0
>>> although
>>> i
>>> > > have no idea what SharePoint is nor why anyone would use it.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > According to the comments under this article
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/**02/libreoffice-40-available-**
>>> for-download.html
>>> > > Somewhere about 1/4 up from the bottom
>>> > > "Алексей Бродкин • 6 days ago
>>> > > It seems like some of highlighted options are missing from this
>>> release.
>>> > > 1. Unity/Global menu integration - at least I cannot see it in action
>>> or
>>> > > any toggle in setting
>>> > > 2. SharePoint integration. From here http://tekonorma.fr/WPblogTN/**
>>> 2. ..
>>> I
>>> > > learnt that to have this option one needs to instal a corresponding
>>> > plug-in
>>> > > from here http://extensions.libreoffice.**... and you may see this
>>> link
>>> > > leads to "This page does not seem to exist..." - seems like due to
>>> legal
>>> > > issue plugin was removed."
>>> > >
>>> > > Sure enough the link didn't work so i got to the Extensions site
>>> another
>>> > > way but a quick search to find "sharepoint" or "share point" didn't
>>> > reveal
>>> > > any relevant Extensions.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards from
>>> > > Tom :)
>>> > >
>>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Dan Lewis]

Strange thing: I can not find an INS key on my MacBook. Its delete key 
acts like the back space key...


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On 02/15/2013 04:05 PM, anne-ology wrote:

ooh, how I dislike that INS key ... I tend to hit that rather than
the DEL key many times;
then I'll start typing only to find I'm erasing  ;-(

Whoever decided to place that INS key must not have been thinking;
doesn't any typist know to click on the space-bar to insert
letters, ...   ;-)

Oh, right, this is a computer not a 'glorified typewriter'  ;-)



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky
wrote:

An interesting point.

Perhaps there ought to be a mode switch between "Next top of page" and
"Proportional" when using Page Up/Down keys.

I can't remember the last time I used my "Insert" key to change its mode.

Perhaps it is time to make "Insert" a mode switch for Delete, Home, End
and Page Up/Down.

After all, we've got Control, Alt and Win/Apple Whatever special keys.
  What's one more in the group.

Alas,  I digress



On 2/15/2013 9:35 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote:


Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$
Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't
get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of
lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading
and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.

Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I
haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.

Thanks.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[anne-ology]

   ooh, how I dislike that INS key ... I tend to hit that rather than
the DEL key many times;
   then I'll start typing only to find I'm erasing  ;-(

   Whoever decided to place that INS key must not have been thinking;
   doesn't any typist know to click on the space-bar to insert
letters, ...   ;-)

   Oh, right, this is a computer not a 'glorified typewriter'  ;-)



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky
wrote:

An interesting point.
>
> Perhaps there ought to be a mode switch between "Next top of page" and
> "Proportional" when using Page Up/Down keys.
>
> I can't remember the last time I used my "Insert" key to change its mode.
>
> Perhaps it is time to make "Insert" a mode switch for Delete, Home, End
> and Page Up/Down.
>
> After all, we've got Control, Alt and Win/Apple Whatever special keys.
>  What's one more in the group.
>
> Alas,  I digress
>
>
>
> On 2/15/2013 9:35 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
>
>> Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$
>> Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't
>> get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of
>> lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading
>> and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.
>>
>> Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I
>> haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[anne-ology]

   Whew, I've never touched that key;
   will alarms & sirens go off when it's touched  ;-)



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
> The button that worries me is the "Windows key" with the MS logo on it.
> Are the police likely to knock down my door now that i have painted over it
> with a rather bad copy of the Ubuntu logo?  Also why does Ubuntu store sell
> a keyboard with the Windows logo on that key?!!
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Eric Beversluis 
> >To: Tom Davies 
> >Cc: Brian Barker ; "
> users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:50
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
> >
> >But the issue is now what it's called. The problem is that it doesn't
> >screen down consistently, giving a full new screen save for a consistent
> >one- or two-line overlap at the top.
> >
> >On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 15:25 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> >> Hi :)
> >> Yes, the button probably should say "Screen down" instead of page down
> for most uses of the button and only say "Page down" for those rare cases
> where it really does mean a page.
> >> Regards from
> >> Tom :)
> >>
> >> PS blimey a short answer for once!!  lol
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > From: Brian Barker 
> >> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >> >Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15
> >> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
> >> >
> >> >At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> >> >> Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as
> M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't
> get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of
> lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and
> one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these
> years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
> >> >
> >> >I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of
> software.  E-readers are what they say they are: readers.  In other words,
> their users are using them to read documents.  More than that, in general
> they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end
> of one page, they will next want to see the next page.  And the only sense
> of "page" is as much as fills the screen of the display device.
> >> >
> >> >Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still
> fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the
> eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the
> size and format of the screen used for display.  People usually choose
> settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were
> looking at such a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would
> unhelpfully have missed part of the text.
> >> >
> >> >But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing,
> not reading.  If you are editing at one point in a document and you now
> need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at
> all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a
> following page.  It is much more likely that you would want to be able to
> see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the
> part on which you had just been working.
> >> >
> >> >The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on
> screen but only from hard copy.  It is interesting that software has been
> moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly.  Microsoft
> Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a "slide show", in which
> case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing.
> Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not
> necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function
> works as you want.  There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from
> Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed.  Again,
> since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests
> by moving down a screenful.  Oh, and try opening a read-only file with
> LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat "page down"
> differently and move down (almost) a screenful.
> >> >
> >> >Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit
> reading mode for use in reading, not editing, documents?  Possibly.
> Meanwhile, if you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's
> your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to
> toggle on this behaviour.
> >> >
> >> >I trust this helps.
> >> >
> >> >Brian Barker
> >> >
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[anne-ology]

   but the computer's page is different from the printed page  ;-)

   BTW - Brian, I think your explanation was very good.



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> Yes, the button probably should say "Screen down" instead of page down for
> most uses of the button and only say "Page down" for those rare cases where
> it really does mean a page.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> PS blimey a short answer for once!!  lol
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Brian Barker 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
> >
> >At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> >> Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$
> Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get
> a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines.
> One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may
> only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years,
> I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
> >
> >I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of
> software.  E-readers are what they say they are: readers.  In other words,
> their users are using them to read documents.  More than that, in general
> they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end
> of one page, they will next want to see the next page.  And the only sense
> of "page" is as much as fills the screen of the display device.
> >
> >Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still fixated
> on printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual
> supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and
> format of the screen used for display.  People usually choose settings that
> display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such
> a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have
> missed part of the text.
> >
> >But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing,
> not reading.  If you are editing at one point in a document and you now
> need to move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at
> all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a
> following page.  It is much more likely that you would want to be able to
> see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the
> part on which you had just been working.
> >
> >The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen
> but only from hard copy.  It is interesting that software has been moving
> towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly.  Microsoft
> Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a "slide show", in which
> case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing.
> Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not
> necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function
> works as you want.  There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from
> Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed.  Again,
> since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests
> by moving down a screenful.  Oh, and try opening a read-only file with
> LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat "page down"
> differently and move down (almost) a screenful.
> >
> >Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading
> mode for use in reading, not editing, documents?  Possibly.  Meanwhile, if
> you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your
> workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to
> toggle on this behaviour.
> >
> >I trust this helps.
> >
> >Brian Barker
> >
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 19:06 +, Kieran Peckett wrote:
> I have been following this post as I also wanted to know about how to add
> SharePoint, not about which Cloud storage service is the best

Yes, you're thread got hi-jacked by the Microsoft-hate squad.  Sadly it
happens not infrequently.

Please report back if you try out the CMIS support,  there is at least
me who is interested in how it goes; and obviously enough people to get
it implemented in the first place.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[anne-ology]

   When I hit page down or up, it scrolls to the next page  ;-)
  when I hit the up or down arrow key, it scrolls line by line  ;-)



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Eric Beversluis <
ebe...@researchintegration.org> wrote:

Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$
> Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't
> get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of
> lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading
> and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.
>
> Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I
> haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

[Girvin R. Herr]

Jomali,
I once used it to correct a goof on a cell merge operation when it was 
impractical to use undo.  I was only creating a form, so I was not 
referencing any of these cells.  The problem was that the subdivide 
required a lot of cleanup to get the cell boundaries aligned again.  
Messy, but better than starting over or using undo.

Girvin Herr


jomali wrote:

I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for
subdividing cells.


On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Tanstaafl wrote:

  

On 2013-02-14 9:19 AM, Brian Barker  wrote:



At 08:50 14/02/2013 -0500, Nobody Noname wrote:

  

... but it is much more complicated than if there was the possibility
to just subdivide a single cell into multiples...



 OK: suppose you divide cell Xn into four cells- two vertically and two


horizontally.  How do you now refer to the four new cells in formulae?

  

Initially, until some method was developed that made sense, it could just
be a limitation of split cells that you can't use them in formulas.

And maybe it would have to stay that way. None of the times I wanted to be
able to do this was it critical that I me able to use them in formulas.

 And which of the now four separate values gets used if you refer to


plain cell Xn in a formula?

  

Pick one (upper left, lower right, etc). Could even be a pref. Or, as
above, make it unsupported, unless/until a method is developed for
supporting it that makes sense.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

[Dan Lewis]

On 02/15/2013 01:29 PM, bill wrote:

On 2/15/2013 10:33 AM, jomali wrote:
I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would 
be for

subdividing cells.


I own a breeding kennel.  I created a table to keep track of 
medication administration

col A: date
col B: dog 1 name, col title being the medication
but when I got to col C I needed to put in 3 dog names, with the col 
title being the medication

I also use a winding for a checkbox.

It sure would have been nice to be able to subdivide col C 
horizontally.  The only way I could do it was to put in the first box 
and the first dog's name and then space until it forced a wrap and put 
in the second and again for the third.  Of course it all falls apart 
if I change the col width.
 It sounds like a relational database is what you need to use 
instead of the spreadsheet. Then you would not have to split cells. In 
fact, you would not be limited in how many dogs you place in this column.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MySQL-Connector

[Dan Lewis]

On 02/15/2013 01:59 PM, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:

Hello,
I know I have gone on about the native connector before. My situtation
is like this at the moment:
- it works like a charm on 4.0.0.3 running Debian-Wheezy
- it neither works on Mint-Nadia or Windows-Vista (I know, I know --
  I should upgrade THAT system!). The connector DID however work under
  Vista and LO 3.6.5.
Unfortunately I really don't have the time to compile it myself...
What are the plans in any case?
Regards
H.S.
   One of the problems depends upon whether the OS is 32 bit or 64 
bit. I have a tower that is 64 bit and a MacBook which uses 32 bit with 
both using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. The native connector works fine for 64 bit 
but does not work for the 32 bit. MySQL also has a JDBC driver on their 
website that works quite well for 32 bit Ubuntu. This has been the case 
since LO 3.5.7 if not before. (I download all of my LibreOffice files 
from the ODF website.)
  If I remember correctly, keeping the native connector current as 
new versions of LO required more time than the developer of the 
extension had available.


--Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Kieran Peckett]

I have been following this post as I also wanted to know about how to add
SharePoint, not about which Cloud storage service is the best

On Friday, 15 February 2013, Steve Edmonds wrote:

>
> On 2013-02-15 21:01, Felmon Davis wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>>  Hi :)
>>>
>>> Perhaps Moodle?  I haven't looked into Moodle but keep meaning to.  It's
>>> supposedly good for higher education but it might be more about just tutors
>>> and lecturers being able to place documents and text and stuff in an
>>> attractive layout that's easy for students to just read.  I'm not sure how
>>> interactive it can be.
>>>
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>
>> we have 'moodle' (for some reason our ITS calls it 'nexus') and I used to
>> use it when it first came out. I have looked to see if this is built in and
>> it probably is, or they could activate it, but I haven't found it yet; I
>> should just ask and I might settle for it but I don't like using moodle
>> otherwise so that would be my only use for it -- it is a rather large canon
>> for the little fly I want to swat.
>>
>> I am more partial to drupal but haven't yet found a utility for file
>> uploading that was simple enough to configure in small snatches of time I
>> have for it. it often seems to require installing this and that module,
>> updating the whole she-bang and so on.
>>
>> I just don't have time for reconstructive surgery on my drupal site, not
>> now at least and now would be a great time to have the upload utility.
>>
>> oh, well. pardon the off-off-topic; we should get back to the main
>> off-topic or even on topic!
>>
>> F.
>>
> I looked at Moodle a long time ago for a school application.
> I see on their site
> "In Moodle, each user has a private files area for uploading and managing
> a set of files."
> "Preventing access to Private files
>
>  * To prevent all users having access to Private files, the
>administrator should disable (close the eye) of the repository in
>/Settings>Site administration>Plugins>**Repositories>Manage
>repositories./
>  * If only students are to be prevented from accessing private files
>(but teachers etc, allowed) then a new
>  * role should be made and assigned system wide. See FAQ 6 in
>Repositories FAQ 
> >
> for
>more information."
>
> http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/**Private_files
> Steve
>
>
>>  __**__
 From: Felmon Davis 
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 6:55
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

 On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:

  On 13-02-14 02:05 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
>
>> this thread is off-topic but I'll take advantage of it before it's
>> cut: I would like a solution where
>>
>> a) individuals could upload documents to me
>> b) they wouldn't be able to see each other's documents (unless I
>> allowed it)
>> c) should be either linux-based or agnostic.
>>
>
> OwnCloud. Wait for version 5 though ("End of February"):
> http://owncloud.org/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fabian
>

 thanks. this deserves more study but so far as I can see now, it
 doesn't suit my purpose. it allows me to access files from diverse places
 and devices. I can already do that on a server to which I have ssh and
 sshfs access.

 what I need is something where _others_ can upload their files for _me_
 to access. think of students uploading papers for the teacher to grab. the
 students shouldn't see each other's work though they should see their own.

 (it would be great if they had permissions to modify and delete their
 own stuff but not essential; it is essential that Windows and Mac people
 can upload their files.)

 I'll study the owncloud page more but I'm not seeing these features so
 far.

 F.

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[libreoffice-users] MySQL-Connector

[Heinrich Stoellinger]

Hello,
I know I have gone on about the native connector before. My situtation
is like this at the moment:
- it works like a charm on 4.0.0.3 running Debian-Wheezy
- it neither works on Mint-Nadia or Windows-Vista (I know, I know --
  I should upgrade THAT system!). The connector DID however work under
  Vista and LO 3.6.5.
Unfortunately I really don't have the time to compile it myself...
What are the plans in any case?
Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

[Jay Lozier]

On 02/15/2013 01:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Ahh, there was something about
Ctrl Enter
inside a cell makes an extra newline inside the cell itself.  It doesn't 
sub-divide the cell but does just give you a newline in there.
Regards from
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CTRL + Enter inserts a new line within the cell








From: bill 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

On 2/15/2013 10:33 AM, jomali wrote:

I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for
subdividing cells.



I own a breeding kennel.  I created a table to keep track of medication 
administration
col A: date
col B: dog 1 name, col title being the medication
but when I got to col C I needed to put in 3 dog names, with the col title 
being the medication
I also use a winding for a checkbox.

It sure would have been nice to be able to subdivide col C horizontally.  The 
only way I could do it was to put in the first box and the first dog's name and 
then space until it forced a wrap and put in the second and again for the 
third.  Of course it all falls apart if I change the col width.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Steve Edmonds]

On 2013-02-15 21:01, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)

Perhaps Moodle?  I haven't looked into Moodle but keep meaning to.  
It's supposedly good for higher education but it might be more about 
just tutors and lecturers being able to place documents and text and 
stuff in an attractive layout that's easy for students to just read.  
I'm not sure how interactive it can be.


Regards from
Tom :)


we have 'moodle' (for some reason our ITS calls it 'nexus') and I used 
to use it when it first came out. I have looked to see if this is 
built in and it probably is, or they could activate it, but I haven't 
found it yet; I should just ask and I might settle for it but I don't 
like using moodle otherwise so that would be my only use for it -- it 
is a rather large canon for the little fly I want to swat.


I am more partial to drupal but haven't yet found a utility for file 
uploading that was simple enough to configure in small snatches of 
time I have for it. it often seems to require installing this and that 
module, updating the whole she-bang and so on.


I just don't have time for reconstructive surgery on my drupal site, 
not now at least and now would be a great time to have the upload 
utility.


oh, well. pardon the off-off-topic; we should get back to the main 
off-topic or even on topic!


F.

I looked at Moodle a long time ago for a school application.
I see on their site
"In Moodle, each user has a private files area for uploading and 
managing a set of files."

"Preventing access to Private files

 * To prevent all users having access to Private files, the
   administrator should disable (close the eye) of the repository in
   /Settings>Site administration>Plugins>Repositories>Manage
   repositories./
 * If only students are to be prevented from accessing private files
   (but teachers etc, allowed) then a new
 * role should be made and assigned system wide. See FAQ 6 in
   Repositories FAQ  for
   more information."

http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Private_files
Steve





From: Felmon Davis 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 6:55
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:


On 13-02-14 02:05 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

this thread is off-topic but I'll take advantage of it before it's
cut: I would like a solution where

a) individuals could upload documents to me
b) they wouldn't be able to see each other's documents (unless I
allowed it)
c) should be either linux-based or agnostic.


OwnCloud. Wait for version 5 though ("End of February"):
http://owncloud.org/

Cheers,

Fabian


thanks. this deserves more study but so far as I can see now, it 
doesn't suit my purpose. it allows me to access files from diverse 
places and devices. I can already do that on a server to which I 
have ssh and sshfs access.


what I need is something where _others_ can upload their files for 
_me_ to access. think of students uploading papers for the teacher 
to grab. the students shouldn't see each other's work though they 
should see their own.


(it would be great if they had permissions to modify and delete 
their own stuff but not essential; it is essential that Windows and 
Mac people can upload their files.)


I'll study the owncloud page more but I'm not seeing these features 
so far.


F.

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out, which is

the exact opposite."
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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahh, there was something about 
Ctrl Enter
inside a cell makes an extra newline inside the cell itself.  It doesn't 
sub-divide the cell but does just give you a newline in there.  
Regards from
Tom :)





>
> From: bill 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:29
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells
> 
>On 2/15/2013 10:33 AM, jomali wrote:
>> I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for
>> subdividing cells.
>> 
>> 
>I own a breeding kennel.  I created a table to keep track of medication 
>administration
>col A: date
>col B: dog 1 name, col title being the medication
>but when I got to col C I needed to put in 3 dog names, with the col title 
>being the medication
>I also use a winding for a checkbox.
>
>It sure would have been nice to be able to subdivide col C horizontally.  The 
>only way I could do it was to put in the first box and the first dog's name 
>and then space until it forced a wrap and put in the second and again for the 
>third.  Of course it all falls apart if I change the col width.
>
>-- Bill Drescher
>william {at} TechServSys {dot} com
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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

[bill]

On 2/15/2013 10:33 AM, jomali wrote:

I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for
subdividing cells.


I own a breeding kennel.  I created a table to keep track of 
medication administration

col A: date
col B: dog 1 name, col title being the medication
but when I got to col C I needed to put in 3 dog names, with the 
col title being the medication

I also use a winding for a checkbox.

It sure would have been nice to be able to subdivide col C 
horizontally.  The only way I could do it was to put in the first 
box and the first dog's name and then space until it forced a 
wrap and put in the second and again for the third.  Of course it 
all falls apart if I change the col width.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

An interesting point.

Perhaps there ought to be a mode switch between "Next top of page" and 
"Proportional" when using Page Up/Down keys.


I can't remember the last time I used my "Insert" key to change its mode.

Perhaps it is time to make "Insert" a mode switch for Delete, Home, End 
and Page Up/Down.


After all, we've got Control, Alt and Win/Apple Whatever special keys.  
What's one more in the group.


Alas,  I digress


On 2/15/2013 9:35 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote:

Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$
Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't
get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of
lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading
and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.

Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I
haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.

Thanks.





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[libreoffice-users] Moving Templates from 3.5.5 to 4.0

[Karen DInse]

Windows XP, SP3

I created numerous templates in LO 3.5.5.  I created the letter/template and
inserted input fields that would stop and ask the user to input the
appropriate data.  Worked real well in LO 3.5.5.  

We are hoping to upgrade to version 4.0.0.3, but when we try to copy or
import the templates, they don't stop at the input fields to prompt the user
to input the data.  

We have tried to retype the letters/templates, inserting input fields, to no
avail. Is there a way to get the template to stop and prompt the user for
each input box?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
The button that worries me is the "Windows key" with the MS logo on it.  Are 
the police likely to knock down my door now that i have painted over it with a 
rather bad copy of the Ubuntu logo?  Also why does Ubuntu store sell a keyboard 
with the Windows logo on that key?!!
Regards from
Tom :)  






>
> From: Eric Beversluis 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: Brian Barker ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:50
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
> 
>But the issue is now what it's called. The problem is that it doesn't
>screen down consistently, giving a full new screen save for a consistent
>one- or two-line overlap at the top.
>
>On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 15:25 +, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Yes, the button probably should say "Screen down" instead of page down for 
>> most uses of the button and only say "Page down" for those rare cases where 
>> it really does mean a page.  
>> Regards from  
>> Tom :)  
>> 
>> PS blimey a short answer for once!!  lol
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > From: Brian Barker 
>> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>> >Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15
>> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
>> > 
>> >At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
>> >> Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ 
>> >> Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't 
>> >> get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of 
>> >> lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading 
>> >> and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.
>> >> 
>> >> Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I 
>> >> haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
>> >
>> >I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of 
>> >software.  E-readers are what they say they are: readers.  In other words, 
>> >their users are using them to read documents.  More than that, in general 
>> >they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end 
>> >of one page, they will next want to see the next page.  And the only sense 
>> >of "page" is as much as fills the screen of the display device.
>> >
>> >Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still fixated on 
>> >printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual 
>> >supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and 
>> >format of the screen used for display.  People usually choose settings that 
>> >display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such 
>> >a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have 
>> >missed part of the text.
>> >
>> >But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not 
>> >reading.  If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to 
>> >move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all 
>> >obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a 
>> >following page.  It is much more likely that you would want to be able to 
>> >see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the 
>> >part on which you had just been working.
>> >
>> >The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but 
>> >only from hard copy.  It is interesting that software has been moving 
>> >towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly.  Microsoft 
>> >Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a "slide show", in which 
>> >case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing.  
>> >Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not 
>> >necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function 
>> >works as you want.  There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from 
>> >Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed.  Again, 
>> >since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests 
>> >by moving down a screenful.  Oh, and try opening a read-only file with 
>> >LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat "page down" 
>> >differently and move down (almost) a screenful.
>> >
>> >Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading 
>> >mode for use in reading, not editing, documents?  Possibly.  Meanwhile, if 
>> >you want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your 
>> >workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to 
>> >toggle on this behaviour.
>> >
>> >I trust this helps.
>> >
>> >Brian Barker
>> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Oh wow yeah.  Those "green screens" where you could see the individual dots 
making up the screen.  The strange greeness a tunnel through to far away 
places.  
Regards from
Tom :) 





>
> From: James Knott 
>To: LibreOffice  
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 16:05
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
> 
>Brian Barker wrote:
>> I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software.
>
>Page Up & Page Down go back to the days of dumb terminals connected to a 
>mainframe or minicomputer and a page referred to a full screen of data.  Back 
>in the late '70s & early '80s I used to support some terminals connected to a 
>Data General Nova minicomputer, where all the editing was done on the Nova.  
>About the only editing you could do directly on the terminal was inserting & 
>deleting characters.  The page keys would move the display through the 
>document, with only a small amount of overlap, that is with a Page Down, the 
>bottom line on the old screen would become the top line on the new.  The 
>reverse occurred with Page Up.  There was no mouse either, just cursor keys, 
>though another system I worked on used a joy stick.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[James Knott]

Brian Barker wrote:
I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of 
software.


Page Up & Page Down go back to the days of dumb terminals connected to a 
mainframe or minicomputer and a page referred to a full screen of data.  
Back in the late '70s & early '80s I used to support some terminals 
connected to a Data General Nova minicomputer, where all the editing was 
done on the Nova.  About the only editing you could do directly on the 
terminal was inserting & deleting characters.  The page keys would move 
the display through the document, with only a small amount of overlap, 
that is with a Page Down, the bottom line on the old screen would become 
the top line on the new.  The reverse occurred with Page Up.  There was 
no mouse either, just cursor keys, though another system I worked on 
used a joy stick.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Eric Beversluis]

But the issue is now what it's called. The problem is that it doesn't
screen down consistently, giving a full new screen save for a consistent
one- or two-line overlap at the top.

On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 15:25 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Yes, the button probably should say "Screen down" instead of page down for 
> most uses of the button and only say "Page down" for those rare cases where 
> it really does mean a page.  
> Regards from  
> Tom :)  
> 
> PS blimey a short answer for once!!  lol
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: Brian Barker 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> >Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
> > 
> >At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> >> Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ 
> >> Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't 
> >> get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of 
> >> lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and 
> >> one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.
> >> 
> >> Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I 
> >> haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
> >
> >I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of 
> >software.  E-readers are what they say they are: readers.  In other words, 
> >their users are using them to read documents.  More than that, in general 
> >they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of 
> >one page, they will next want to see the next page.  And the only sense of 
> >"page" is as much as fills the screen of the display device.
> >
> >Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still fixated on 
> >printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual 
> >supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and 
> >format of the screen used for display.  People usually choose settings that 
> >display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such 
> >a screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have 
> >missed part of the text.
> >
> >But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not 
> >reading.  If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to 
> >move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all 
> >obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a 
> >following page.  It is much more likely that you would want to be able to 
> >see some part of the document further down but whilst also still seeing the 
> >part on which you had just been working.
> >
> >The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but 
> >only from hard copy.  It is interesting that software has been moving 
> >towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly.  Microsoft 
> >Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a "slide show", in which 
> >case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing.  
> >Microsoft Word has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not 
> >necessarily in the original layout - and in which your page down function 
> >works as you want.  There is also a freeware Word Viewer available from 
> >Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed.  Again, 
> >since this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests 
> >by moving down a screenful.  Oh, and try opening a read-only file with 
> >LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat "page down" 
> >differently and move down (almost) a screenful.
> >
> >Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode 
> >for use in reading, not editing, documents?  Possibly.  Meanwhile, if you 
> >want something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: 
> >just click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this 
> >behaviour.
> >
> >I trust this helps.
> >
> >Brian Barker
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Eric Beversluis]

On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 15:15 +, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> >Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as 
> >M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one 
> >doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly 
> >arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see 
> >what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page 
> >of new reading for the effort.
> >
> >Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these 
> >years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
> 
> I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of 
> software.  E-readers are what they say they are: readers.  In other 
> words, their users are using them to read documents.  More than that, 
> in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they 
> get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next 
> page.  And the only sense of "page" is as much as fills the screen of 
> the display device.
My allusion to e-readers was a red herring. I don't expect word
processors to be e-readers.

> 
> Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still 
> fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format 
> of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not 
> usually) the size and format of the screen used for display.  People 
> usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a 
> document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down 
> a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text.

I'm not wanting the next full page (per a print layout). I agree that
the reader/editor needs an over-lap. What bothers me is that the amount
of overlap seems random rather than being, say, always the last two
lines of the previous screen.

> But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for 
> editing, not reading.  If you are editing at one point in a document 
> and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen 
> image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you 
> would want to move to a following page.  It is much more likely that 
> you would want to be able to see some part of the document further 
> down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working.
> 
> The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on 
> screen but only from hard copy. 

That's not been true, though, for something like 20 years. Since WYSIWIG
word processors, my sense is that most reading of word processor
documents gets done on screen. And has always been a hassle.

>  It is interesting that software has 
> been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather 
> slowly.  Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a 
> "slide show", in which case it opens for any recipient as for 
> display, not for further editing.  Microsoft Word has a reading mode, 
> which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - 
> and in which your page down function works as you want.  There is 
> also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for 
> users without Microsoft Word installed.  Again, since this is a 
> reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving 
> down a screenful.  Oh, and try opening a read-only file with 
> LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat "page 
> down" differently and move down (almost) a screenful.
> 
> Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit 
> reading mode for use in reading, not editing, 
> documents? 

I think this is a false dichotomy. When one is reading a document and
making a few edits here and there, it's important to be able to screen
down smoothly and consistently with, as I suggested above, a consistent
one or two lines from the previous screen at the top of the new screen. 


>  Possibly.  Meanwhile, if you want something close to this 
> behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File 
> button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour.

Unfortunately this doesn't help my use-case, since toggling puts one
back at the beginning of the document. So one can't just toggle to the
edit mode, make the changes, and then toggle back to the read-only mode.
> 
> I trust this helps.
> 
> Brian Barker
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: method to subdivide individual cells

[jomali]

I've been following this thread and wondering what a use case would be for
subdividing cells.


On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2013-02-14 9:19 AM, Brian Barker  wrote:
>
>> At 08:50 14/02/2013 -0500, Nobody Noname wrote:
>>
>>> ... but it is much more complicated than if there was the possibility
>>> to just subdivide a single cell into multiples...
>>>
>>
>  OK: suppose you divide cell Xn into four cells- two vertically and two
>> horizontally.  How do you now refer to the four new cells in formulae?
>>
>
> Initially, until some method was developed that made sense, it could just
> be a limitation of split cells that you can't use them in formulas.
>
> And maybe it would have to stay that way. None of the times I wanted to be
> able to do this was it critical that I me able to use them in formulas.
>
>  And which of the now four separate values gets used if you refer to
>> plain cell Xn in a formula?
>>
>
> Pick one (upper left, lower right, etc). Could even be a pref. Or, as
> above, make it unsupported, unless/until a method is developed for
> supporting it that makes sense.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, the button probably should say "Screen down" instead of page down for most 
uses of the button and only say "Page down" for those rare cases where it 
really does mean a page.  
Regards from  
Tom :)  

PS blimey a short answer for once!!  lol





>
> From: Brian Barker 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors
> 
>At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
>> Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ 
>> Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get 
>> a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. 
>> One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading and one may 
>> only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.
>> 
>> Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I 
>> haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.
>
>I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software.  
>E-readers are what they say they are: readers.  In other words, their users 
>are using them to read documents.  More than that, in general they will be 
>reading the documents sequentially: when they get to the end of one page, they 
>will next want to see the next page.  And the only sense of "page" is as much 
>as fills the screen of the display device.
>
>Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still fixated on 
>printing the final document: the page size is the format of the eventual 
>supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not usually) the size and 
>format of the screen used for display.  People usually choose settings that 
>display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a 
>screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed 
>part of the text.
>
>But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not 
>reading.  If you are editing at one point in a document and you now need to 
>move down to a point currently off your screen image, it is not at all obvious 
>- quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move to a following page.  
>It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of the 
>document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had 
>just been working.
>
>The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but 
>only from hard copy.  It is interesting that software has been moving towards 
>servicing screen reading, albeit rather slowly.  Microsoft Powerpoint allows 
>you to save a presentation as a "slide show", in which case it opens for any 
>recipient as for display, not for further editing.  Microsoft Word has a 
>reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original 
>layout - and in which your page down function works as you want.  There is 
>also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for users 
>without Microsoft Word installed.  Again, since this is a reader and not an 
>editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a screenful.  Oh, and 
>try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that 
>it will now treat "page down" differently and move down (almost) a screenful.
>
>Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode 
>for use in reading, not editing, documents?  Possibly.  Meanwhile, if you want 
>something close to this behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just 
>click the Edit File button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour.
>
>I trust this helps.
>
>Brian Barker
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Brian Barker]

At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as 
M$ Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one 
doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly 
arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see 
what one left off reading and one may only have gotten a half page 
of new reading for the effort.


Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these 
years, I haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.


I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of 
software.  E-readers are what they say they are: readers.  In other 
words, their users are using them to read documents.  More than that, 
in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they 
get to the end of one page, they will next want to see the next 
page.  And the only sense of "page" is as much as fills the screen of 
the display device.


Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still 
fixated on printing the final document: the page size is the format 
of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily (and not 
usually) the size and format of the screen used for display.  People 
usually choose settings that display less than a printed page of a 
document; if you were looking at such a screenful and then moved down 
a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text.


But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for 
editing, not reading.  If you are editing at one point in a document 
and you now need to move down to a point currently off your screen 
image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you 
would want to move to a following page.  It is much more likely that 
you would want to be able to see some part of the document further 
down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been working.


The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on 
screen but only from hard copy.  It is interesting that software has 
been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit rather 
slowly.  Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a 
"slide show", in which case it opens for any recipient as for 
display, not for further editing.  Microsoft Word has a reading mode, 
which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - 
and in which your page down function works as you want.  There is 
also a freeware Word Viewer available from Microsoft, intended for 
users without Microsoft Word installed.  Again, since this is a 
reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving 
down a screenful.  Oh, and try opening a read-only file with 
LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find that it will now treat "page 
down" differently and move down (almost) a screenful.


Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit 
reading mode for use in reading, not editing, 
documents?  Possibly.  Meanwhile, if you want something close to this 
behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File 
button in the Standard toolbar to toggle on this behaviour.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

[Eric Beversluis]

Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$
Word: When reading through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't
get a new page--it only scrolls down some seemingly arbitrary number of
lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left off reading
and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.

Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I
haven't figured out how to do this correctly in a word processor.

Thanks.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 14:02 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Has anyone found an early post in this thread and forwarded it off to
> the board-discuss list and /or devs list or other place we might get
> some good feedback about credibility?  I kinda trust Joel but can't
> remember where the original post came from.  
> Regards from
> Tom :)  

Joel responded, that is enough credibility for me.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Has anyone found an early post in this thread and forwarded it off to the 
board-discuss list and /or devs list or other place we might get some good 
feedback about credibility?  I kinda trust Joel but can't remember where the 
original post came from.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Adam Tauno Williams 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 13:46
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue
> 
>On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 09:06 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
>> > > > I wonder, though, how would the fixed bug integrate into the code
>> > > > maintained by the LibO crew.
>> > > It is open to anyone, and anyone is welcome to contribute so that
>> > > wouldn't be an issue. Interesting discussion happening here, please keep
>> > > it alive and pass the word :-D
>> > I haven't seen a message in this thread from someone with an libreoffice
>> > e-mail address...  is this at all 'sanctioned' by the project?   Someone
>> > in the project on-board?  Someone credible is vouching that
>> > www.freedomsponsors.org  is legit and on-the-level?
>> I am a contributor for LibreOffice both in development and QA. I wouldn't
>> say it's "sanctioned" (ie. we're not saying definitely use this service)
>> but it has been used successfully at least once or twice before. This being
>> said, it's still no guarantee that it'll get your enhancement done
>> immediately but it's okay to offer funding to have your bug fixed.
>
>Of course.
>
>>  It's just up to developers to decide if the payment is a) necessary for 
>>them 
>> and b) enough that they'll do it :)
>>  We are currently working on getting these details on the website along with
>>  are certified developer list with their fee schedules. Not sure when this
>
>Excellent; this is a great idea.  I've just been around for decades and
>I've seen some of these kind of sites come and go, and some have been a
>bit skeezy.
>
>It is comforting to know that active participant are involved with this
>effort.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahh, cool.  Since several OpenSource projects appear to be quite happy with the 
"Standards" then i trust it a little more.  I'd have to look into some of those 
projects and see what they are saying about the standard though.  

"Never believe anything until it's denied by a government minister".  I guess 
some of you need to swap out gov minister and replace with senator or whatever. 
 
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Adam Tauno Williams 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 13:49
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
> 
>On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 13:31 +, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Hmmm, what worries me is "MS" and "Standards" in the same sentence.
>> Haven't we already learned, many times over, that MS's idea of 
>> open = closed
>
>This is true for corporations, nothing specific to Microsoft.  That is
>why you need Open implementations and the ratification of a standards
>body.  CMIS has all these.
>
>> standards and interoperable = only works once on one system
>> or at least that seems to be the way it has always worked out historically.  
>
>Nope, that is already not true for CMIS.
>
>> So while it looks good i am fairly convinced there is a trap here
>> somewhere even if i can't see it and don't already know about it.  An
>> OpenSource equivalent that uses the alleged 'standard' would be much
>> more comforting.  
>
>There *IS* Open Source implementations of CMIS.  Alfresco is Open
>Source.  And there is even CMIS plugins for Drupal.  There are several
>other CMIS implementations, see the CMIS Wiki page - they even have a
>column indicating if the implementation is Open Source or not.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 13:31 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Hmmm, what worries me is "MS" and "Standards" in the same sentence.
> Haven't we already learned, many times over, that MS's idea of 
> open = closed

This is true for corporations, nothing specific to Microsoft.  That is
why you need Open implementations and the ratification of a standards
body.  CMIS has all these.

> standards and interoperable = only works once on one system
> or at least that seems to be the way it has always worked out historically.  

Nope, that is already not true for CMIS.

> So while it looks good i am fairly convinced there is a trap here
> somewhere even if i can't see it and don't already know about it.  An
> OpenSource equivalent that uses the alleged 'standard' would be much
> more comforting.  

There *IS* Open Source implementations of CMIS.  Alfresco is Open
Source.  And there is even CMIS plugins for Drupal.  There are several
other CMIS implementations, see the CMIS Wiki page - they even have a
column indicating if the implementation is Open Source or not.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 09:06 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
> > > > I wonder, though, how would the fixed bug integrate into the code
> > > > maintained by the LibO crew.
> > > It is open to anyone, and anyone is welcome to contribute so that
> > > wouldn't be an issue. Interesting discussion happening here, please keep
> > > it alive and pass the word :-D
> > I haven't seen a message in this thread from someone with an libreoffice
> > e-mail address...  is this at all 'sanctioned' by the project?   Someone
> > in the project on-board?  Someone credible is vouching that
> > www.freedomsponsors.org  is legit and on-the-level?
> I am a contributor for LibreOffice both in development and QA. I wouldn't
> say it's "sanctioned" (ie. we're not saying definitely use this service)
> but it has been used successfully at least once or twice before. This being
> said, it's still no guarantee that it'll get your enhancement done
> immediately but it's okay to offer funding to have your bug fixed.

Of course.

>  It's just up to developers to decide if the payment is a) necessary for them 
> and b) enough that they'll do it :)
>  We are currently working on getting these details on the website along with
>  are certified developer list with their fee schedules. Not sure when this

Excellent; this is a great idea.  I've just been around for decades and
I've seen some of these kind of sites come and go, and some have been a
bit skeezy.

It is comforting to know that active participant are involved with this
effort.

-- 
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Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Hmmm, what worries me is "MS" and "Standards" in the same sentence.  Haven't we 
already learned, many times over, that MS's idea of 
open = closed
standards and interoperable = only works once on one system
or at least that seems to be the way it has always worked out historically.  

So while it looks good i am fairly convinced there is a trap here somewhere 
even if i can't see it and don't already know about it.  An OpenSource 
equivalent that uses the alleged 'standard' would be much more comforting.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Adam  Tauno Williams 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 12:56
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
> 
>On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 11:28 -0600, anne-ology wrote:
>>  Content Management System  ;-) ... LAN  ;-) ... a wiki ;-)  ???
>>  as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with the
>>  KISs method  ;-)
>
>What is simple about Content Management?  Nothing.
>
>> But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with 6Gb
>> of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents -
>
>And DropBox is a single-vendor proprietary service.  Loving these
>services and bashing Microsoft in the same e-mail is nonsensical.
>
>>  and MsFt does not have any control over this  :-)
>
>CMIS IS A STANDARD!!!  MsFt has no 'control' over it.  It is even a
>standard that uses REST and Atom publishing... how is that a *BAD*
>thing???
>
>I just started looking into CMIS and it seems like a "*FINALLY!*" thing
>to me.  We've needed a standard like this for ages.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4

[C. H. D.]

 
Thanks for all the ideas.

The same task can be done in your ways as well.


Regards,

C. H. D. 

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主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in 
LibreOffice 4
 
On 02/13/2013 11:31 PM, C. H. D. wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> 
> I did not find "pixels" in LibreOffice:
> 
> Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice Draw
> 
> -> General -> Unit of measurement
> 
>   That was why I used cm instead.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> C. H. D.
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> 


https://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/demo_create

This is Firefox's site that walks you through the creation of Persona designs.  
Since LibreOffice uses their Persona guidelines, currently, I am going by their 
information.

They describe using a header image of 3000 pixels wide by 200 pixels high.
The footer size is 3000 pixels by 100 pixels.
They also have a file size limit of no more than 300KB for the images [total 
size of the two combined, I believe].

Now here it the sticking point.
Draw seems to want you to create pages, not specific images, like Corel Draw 
and Inkscape.  You must be able to create a specific image size, in pixels, and 
I do not know how to do that in Draw.

I just looked - There is a Pixel definition in the File > Export using the 
exporting to a JPG format.  There you can take your design and make it the 
correct pixel size.  All you have to do it make the image proportional to the 
needed pixel size. Make your page/image be in centimeters and use a "box" 300 
by 20 cm in size for your design area.  Then export it to the 3000 by 200 
pixels.

- - - -

What I did when I created a "felt texture" Persona was this:

I created a page wide design using all of the filters and texture-fills that 
Inkscape has.  I played around with them till I got a background image that I 
liked.  That was using "vector graphics" way of making designs, the way 
Inkscape and Draw does.

Then I exported the design to a "bitmap" image that is pixel based, like photos 
are.  I made sure it was exported to be at least 3000 pixels wide and 200 high.

Then I used a package, like GIMP, Paint Shop Pro, or Photoshop, to do some 
editing of the image to get the final design to be EXACTLY the 3000 pixel width 
and the 200 and 100 pixel high required for the Firefox specifications for a 
Persona.

At that point I tested the Persona design, to make sure it did look well and 
was not interfering with the header and footer menu and icons.  If you want to 
use it for LibreOffice 4.0.x and/or Firefox, you test the design[s] and tweak 
them before you decide they are working well for you.

At that point, currently, you can go through the posting process to get your 
Persona listed in the Firefox Gallery.  It is a simple process.

I have asked the question about the approval process and a gallery placement 
within a LibreOffice page, like we have fore templates and extensions.  We need 
approval if we use the official logo[s] for LibreOffice and TDF.

So, look into the Person design specifications on Firefox's page.  See if there 
is a way to create and export an image to a specific pixel size.  Since I have 
not learned how to use Draw properly, I do not know this process.


- - - -

I use Corel Draw and Inkscape for my "vector graphics" images and Paint Shop 
Pro [5] and GIMP for the bitmap/pixel editing work.  I use Ubuntu/Linux for my 
default OS on my desktop that I do most of my work.  I use Inkscape and GIMP on 
them.  I do use a Win7 and a Win XP/pro laptop[s] that I have Corel Draw, 
Inkscape, Paint Shop Pro [5] and GIMP installed on them.  I have been using 
specific packages for specific design processes. Since I have used Paint Shop 
Pro 5 [and other] for many year before I looked into using any Linux system, I 
find it easier to use it for some image editing needs.  Since I now use Linux 
for my desktop, I have been learning how it use GIMP for these editing 
processes.

To be honest, right now, I do not know much about Draw's abilities and how to 
use it properly.  It seems to be a "vector graphics" editor.  It would be nice 
if I learned that package well enough to use it for that, but I know other 
vector graphic package much better and therefore easier for me to do the needed 
design work.  I have been using some packages since they came out in the 
Windows 95/98 and XP days.  You use what it easier for you to use.  Maybe I 
will take the time to learn how to use Draw as well as I know the other 
packages, but that is not "for the near future".


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 17:37 +, IBBoard wrote:
> Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business,
> that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important documents
> go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system
> (like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally.
> Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document
> management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN share
> it does versioning and workflow.

Once you get your mind around "workflow" you'll never want to live
without it.  Steep curve though, it is a real change of mindset.

And CMIS is an extensible data model and allows for establishing
relationships between documents in a standard way.  No bad there,  and a
big step forward over something like DropBox which simply moves the
'garbage dump' from the [Open] file-server to the [proprietary] cloud.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 11:28 -0600, anne-ology wrote:
>  Content Management System  ;-) ... LAN  ;-) ... a wiki ;-)  ???
>  as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with the
>  KISs method  ;-)

What is simple about Content Management?  Nothing.

> But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with 6Gb
> of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents -

And DropBox is a single-vendor proprietary service.  Loving these
services and bashing Microsoft in the same e-mail is nonsensical.

>  and MsFt does not have any control over this  :-)

CMIS IS A STANDARD!!!  MsFt has no 'control' over it.  It is even a
standard that uses REST and Atom publishing... how is that a *BAD*
thing???

I just started looking into CMIS and it seems like a "*FINALLY!*" thing
to me.  We've needed a standard like this for ages.



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[libreoffice-users] Forum for Ask community Fw: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The people answering questions at the AskBot site need more people to join in 
with answering questions.  If you  just lurk on this list because something 
about it bugs you then it might well be because you prefer the way AskBot is 
set-up.  It's a much more modern approach with more flexibility and looks 
prettier (but don't be fooled.  It does have a lot of power under the bonnet)



To Robinson ... 

There is going to be another more traditional forum soon.  It might be useful 
for the Ask contributors to hijack/create a part of that to help coordinate and 
build-up their Answerers Team.  This mailing list might be another approach if 
people can sign-up without receiving any emails and then just create threads in 
Nabble.  This approach would bring answerers from both parts together on a more 
frequent basis.  


Alternatively maybe AskBot can be tweaked into providing a more useful place 
within itself?  or perhaps you could set-up a mailing list purely for answerers 
at AskBot or maybe include people from this list and the forum.   There's 
always Facebook and stuff too that are allegedly quite good at helping build 
communities 


Good luck and regards form
Tom :)




- Forwarded Message -
>From: Robinson Tryon 
>To: Marc Paré  
>Cc: documentation  
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 3:43
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
> 
>On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Marc Paré  wrote:
>>>
>>> When I first went to the odfauthors.org site, I thought that it was a
>>> site for end-users because of the highly-prominent links to books for
>>> sale, but now I believe that the website is largely focused on
>>> internal production. Perhaps there's something we can do to make
>>> things more clear to regular users as well as to our volunteer
>>> community.
>>
>>
>> ODFAuthors have been partners with OOo and in particular with LibreOffice
>> from the very start.
>
>cool.
>
>> Jean Hollis Weber of ODFAuthors is one of our most
>> prolific contributors on the project, we also make use of ODFAuthor
>> resources and goodwill. I believe it is we who should be thankful for
>> ODFAuthors helping us out with the docs teams and resources. I doubt things
>> would go as smoothly without Jean and her team at ODFAuthors who work at
>> quite high professional standards.
>
>Yes, I'd previously run across the "Taming LibreOffice" website, but
>didn't put the pieces together until just recently that she was the
>head of the Documentation Team :-)
>
>> As far as I can remember, all that same information is already up on the Ask
>> site. You just have to find it. No need to go to Archive.org.
>
>ok, cool.
>
 IMO, most questions users ask on the Ask.LibreOffice.org site are
 probably
 best answered there, and, IMO, I don't see a reason to work on any
 user-related FAQ when the Ask.LibreOffice.org site is probably the best
 type
 of solution for a good living/breathing FAQ site.
>>>
>>>
>>> Using the Ask site as the general FAQ as we go forward sounds like a
>>> solid plan to me. The FAQ on the wiki currently has some overlap with
>>> the Ask site: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq
>>>
>>> What do you guys think about migrating questions from that FAQ to the
>>> Ask site? I'd be happy to shepherd that work, if that's amenable to
>>> you.
>>
>>
>> I don't think this would be an acceptable option as the FAQ is, again, used
>> in large part for contributor work.
>
>Ah, okay. Most of the questions on the FAQ on the wiki seem to relate
>more to *use* of LibreOffice than being a *contributor* to the
>project. The contributor-specific content I see on that page is a link
>to the "List of Frequently Asked Questions for Development".
>
>These types of questions/categories seem like they're more suited to a
>user-targeted FAQ:
>
>- "Spell-checking doesn't work !"
>- "What are the system requirements for LibreOffice? "
>- "How do I change the email client used by LibreOffice? "
>
>> IMO, there is nothing wrong with
>> overlapping/doubling or information as people tend to operate in different
>> ways; some like to get information from FAQ's, others from Ask sites, others
>> from mailing lists, others from forums ... IMO, it is up to the site
>> maintainers to triage the information appropriately so that it is factual
>> (as best as one can get) for their own particular user base. To me, it
>> doesn't sound like a good idea to remove a contributor tool for users when
>> we are in need of contributors.
>
>I think doubling could be okay if we had enough manpower to maintain
>all of our web properties. As you mention, we are in need of
>contributors, and every additional copy of documentation or
>information requires additional personnel to keep it fresh and up to
>date.
>
>To wit, some of the entries in the wiki FAQ are merely pointers to
>other pages (e.g. the System Requirements) and seem unlikely to
>change. However there are other pages, such as the information about
>suppor

[libreoffice-users] Answering user-support questions Fw: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I'm sure you already know all this and probably do it far better than i do.  
It's kinda what i wish i did rather than what i really do.  


Generally i find that users are able to solve their own problems if they are 
just given the slightest nudge.  So, ime a good 1st response to any question is 

1.  Extremely short
2.  Friendly
but NOT detailed or heavily researched.  Users are usually pretty clueless 
about what they are asking so their initial question is often very 
misleading and answers run the risk of answering the question that was 
asked, exactly as it was asked, instead of giving the user the help they really 
wanted


So, to me a good 1st response to a question provides 3 things;
1.  A quick "one liner", a rough guess at an answer
2.  A link to documentation or a wiki-page 
3.  A question or few to try to find out more about parameters of the problem 
that they might not have been aware of as being relevant.  eg "Does it work 
when you save in a different format?"  "Which OS or platform?", "Which version 
of LibreOffice" but try to make it clear that if they can't answer or don't 
know then you still want to hear from them to let you know how they are 
progressing or if they are still stuck.
4.  Make them feel welcome and comfortable and that your 1st response is likely 
to be followed by others.  


For 1 & 2 these only need to be guesses and are more about trying to get the 
user to give us more information or phrase their question better or at least 
less inaccurately.  For 2 the actual page you give as a link is not hugely 
important = the main aim is to make it easier for them to look-up issues they 
might have in the future rather than having to rely on waiting for answers.  If 
1 is a trivial and unlikely answer then let them know you expect they have 
already tried it but that sometimes it's the most trivial fixes that get 
over-looked.  For 3 try to avoid too many questions because it's probably going 
in the wrong direction already anyway.  The aim is to get them to open up with 
a bit more description NOT to interrogate them!  

Once you settle on good wording you can generally get all that down to about 3 
fairly short sentences, a link and 2-4 quick little questions.  Then it's just 
copy&paste (but modify) in order to quickly get 1st responses out to as many 
unanswered threads as possible.  I once managed 50 in just a couple of hours!  



If threads are old and either never got an answer or seem to be unresolved then 
a good tactic seems to be to prepare another very short off-list answer that 
includes
1.  An apology for not responding sooner
2.  Ask if they have figured it out or if it's still a problem or if they have 
a new problem
3.  Let them know it might be good to repost the question or "bump their 
thread" or ask a new question.  This is especially good i you have noticed 
there are good and bad times to get results for questions.  Let them know when 
is likely to be a best time.  On Ubuntu's launchpad answers it used to be just 
as America was getting up or getting home from school but before Europe went to 
sleep (even though most answerers at that time lived in Europe or Asia (or 
Australia))

4.  Give a link to another place that gives user support or to the generic "Get 
Help" page on the official website
5.  Give a link to documentation

6.  If it's possible to read the question in a way that gives a vaguely 
possible trivial answer then give it but really briefly and apologise because 
again "i know you've probably already tried this but it's amazing how often a 
""waggle the wires"" answer turns out to fix seemingly intractable problems".  
(something like that)


Again the aim is not to give precise detail or heavily researched answers.  The 
aim is to get responses out there quickly and "bulk-process" a LOT of threads 
as quickly as possible.  The aim is to avoid leaving people facing the scary 
unknown void alone.  



Often when i face a problem i might spend weeks or months or even years 
worrying about it but then when i get around to asking about it, in a forum or 
somewhere, i stumble on the answer myself about 5mins later.  It happens to a 
lot of people.  So, even if the person asking did manage to ask the question 
they really wanted to ask the chances are that they don't need a carefully 
researched answer.  Just something quick and cheerful (unlike this post).  



Since around 60-80% of questions are solved by a really gentle nudge it might 
be worth mentioning that in a user-led community people that have found a 
problem and fixed it are likely to be able to help others.  By fixing their own 
problem they have effectively "earned their first stripes" and deserve to be  
congratulated and welcomed into the community.  Many people make no effort and 
"give up at the first hurdle" (even including long-term users) so anyone that 
has broken through that first problem deserves to be welcomed in.  


Regards from  

Tom :)  




- Forwar

Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

[Felmon Davis]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)

Perhaps Moodle?  I haven't looked into Moodle but keep meaning to.  
It's supposedly good for higher education but it might be more about 
just tutors and lecturers being able to place documents and text and 
stuff in an attractive layout that's easy for students to just 
read.  I'm not sure how interactive it can be.


Regards from
Tom :) 


we have 'moodle' (for some reason our ITS calls it 'nexus') and I used 
to use it when it first came out. I have looked to see if this is 
built in and it probably is, or they could activate it, but I haven't 
found it yet; I should just ask and I might settle for it but I don't 
like using moodle otherwise so that would be my only use for it -- it 
is a rather large canon for the little fly I want to swat.


I am more partial to drupal but haven't yet found a utility for file 
uploading that was simple enough to configure in small snatches of 
time I have for it. it often seems to require installing this and that 
module, updating the whole she-bang and so on.


I just don't have time for reconstructive surgery on my drupal site, 
not now at least and now would be a great time to have the upload 
utility.


oh, well. pardon the off-off-topic; we should get back to the main 
off-topic or even on topic!


F.



From: Felmon Davis 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 6:55

Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:


On 13-02-14 02:05 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

this thread is off-topic but I'll take advantage of it before it's
cut: I would like a solution where

a) individuals could upload documents to me
b) they wouldn't be able to see each other's documents (unless I
allowed it)
c) should be either linux-based or agnostic.


OwnCloud. Wait for version 5 though ("End of February"):
http://owncloud.org/

Cheers,

Fabian


thanks. this deserves more study but so far as I can see now, it doesn't suit 
my purpose. it allows me to access files from diverse places and devices. I can 
already do that on a server to which I have ssh and sshfs access.

what I need is something where _others_ can upload their files for _me_ to 
access. think of students uploading papers for the teacher to grab. the 
students shouldn't see each other's work though they should see their own.

(it would be great if they had permissions to modify and delete their own stuff 
but not essential; it is essential that Windows and Mac people can upload their 
files.)

I'll study the owncloud page more but I'm not seeing these features so far.

F.

-- Felmon Davis

"What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is
the exact opposite."
        -- Bertrand Russell, _Sceptical_Essays_, 1928

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Look for step-by-step guide

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If you do figure this out then it might be great to have a How-To video about 
it.  At the moment it seems to have quite a steep learning curve so people tend 
to stick with what they already know and understand.
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: C. H. D. 
>To: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List  
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 2:26
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Look for step-by-step guide
> 
>
>
>Hi!
>
>I am new to debugging and programming. Referring to:
>
>https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710#c5
>
>... do you have a debug symbols build you could run valgrind in to see if 
>there is some memory corruption there ?
>
>What documents should I consult to help me to understand what to do?
>
>Where is the step-by-step guide, especially for LibreOffice 4? (I need 
>detailed steps.)
>
>Regards,
>
>C. H. D.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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