Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with eLAIX extension on LibO 4.0
Thanks, Niklas and Fernand. I just reinstalled once more eLAIX 4.0.3 and now it runs perfectly. Anyway, before reinstalling it, I check the BASIC macros and LibO had eLAIX there (under My macros), but, apparently, some of the paths were wrong. Maybe because I first installed eLAIX on LibO 4.1 and then downgrade to 4.0? No idea, but still it works now, so thanks everybody! Joaquín Hi Joaquín It sounds like the macro code is not located where the toolbar thinks it's located or is missing. If you press Alt+F11 Under My macros (Mina makron in Swedish) do you find a eLAIX? if not do you see eLAIX under LibreOffice Macros (LibreOffice-makron)? I did personally not have any issues installing and using the extension on LibreOffice 4.0.4 on Windows 7 64-bit so it should be compatible with that version. Just to make sure, you have reinstalled the extension, in any case do it again and see if you get any different result. Something might have gone wrong when you upgraded that might be fixed by uninstalling and reinstalling the extension. Med vänlig hälsning Niklas Johansson Joaquín Lameiro skrev 2013-08-08 14:26: Hello. I have installed the eLAIX extension for Libre Office and it won't work. No matter what action I try to perform, I get a message of this kind: BASIC runtime error. An exception of Type: com.sun.star.container.NoSuchElementException Message: occurred. (the message occurs in Swedish, this is a quick translation). I used eLAIX for Libre Office in other computers and systems, and it worked perfectly, so I have no idea what the problem might be. This time, I am running Libre Office 4.0.4.2 on Windows Vista 32 bits SP 2 and I've tried eLAIX versions 4.0.3 (current stable version) and 4.0.1 (first version supporting LibO 4.0). I had previously tried eLAIX 4.0.3 on LibO 4.1.0, and I thought the problem was due to eLAIX not supporting LibO 4.1, so I uninstalled LibO 4.1 and returned to 4.0. Anyway, the problem still the same: no matter what version of LibO or eLAIX I use, I get the above error message or something similar. Could you give me a hand on this? Thanks for your kindness. Best regards, Joaquín -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there remain two problems. (1) The instruction mention a directory desktop-integration to be in the folder RPMS, but there is no such directory. (2) I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center, not a specific module. How do I get that? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi :D Wow!! :) You are kidding right? We get a chance to help you for once rather than the other way around?? 1. The instructions are out-of-date but only by 1 version number. Desktop integration got pulled into the main thing so you have already done that part. :) 2. For this one we kinda need to know which Desktop Environment you chose for your openSuSE. On their downloads page they give 2 within 1 click, Gnome and KDE; http://software.opensuse.org/123/en but many others are within easy reach (allegedly) Blackbox, GNOME, IceWM, KDE, LXDE, Openbox, WMaker, Xfce some of which might be better on a lower spec or older machine so it's possible you went for one of those. If you copypaste the name of the download then we might be able to tell from that. If you didn't get advice about which might be best then this list might have led you to get the Gnome one, which is excellent. KDE used to have a reputation for being heavy and slow but i think it's reversed that in recent years. Whichever one you have it is quite likely that all you need do is find LibreOffice in the menus, right-click and choose Add to panel or Add to desktop. Adding to panel means getting a link somewhere on your taskbar so it's much the same as the Quick Launcher in Xp, Win2k, ME, Win98 or like the pinned to taskbar in Win7. So it's not quite the same but does put it in easy reach all the time. Btw you can find the official openSuSE forums and stuff at http://forums.opensuse.org/forum.php i got that link from DistroWatch http://distrowatch.com/suse which lists the help forums, download sites and shed-loads more about each different distro. There's very few it doesn't cover. openSuSE is now 6th in their listings. Also a more general forum (that covers many different distros so sometimes the answers need a bit of minor interpreting (which we could do if you gave us their answers)) http://www.linuxquestions.org Welcome in btw!! Congrats on getting this far! Many regards from Tom :) From: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 11:52 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there remain two problems. (1) The instruction mention a directory desktop-integration to be in the folder RPMS, but there is no such directory. (2) I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center, not a specific module. How do I get that? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with eLAIX extension on LibO 4.0
Hi :) Congrats on fixing it! Sometimes it is worth pinpointing exactly what caused the problem but other times it is better to shrug it off and put it down to bad luck which you have now beaten (inshalla). Maybe if it happens again it might be worth finding the cause? Regards from Tom :) From: Joaquín Lameiro juacolame...@yahoo.es To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 10:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with eLAIX extension on LibO 4.0 Thanks, Niklas and Fernand. I just reinstalled once more eLAIX 4.0.3 and now it runs perfectly. Anyway, before reinstalling it, I check the BASIC macros and LibO had eLAIX there (under My macros), but, apparently, some of the paths were wrong. Maybe because I first installed eLAIX on LibO 4.1 and then downgrade to 4.0? No idea, but still it works now, so thanks everybody! Joaquín Hi Joaquín It sounds like the macro code is not located where the toolbar thinks it's located or is missing. If you press Alt+F11 Under My macros (Mina makron in Swedish) do you find a eLAIX? if not do you see eLAIX under LibreOffice Macros (LibreOffice-makron)? I did personally not have any issues installing and using the extension on LibreOffice 4.0.4 on Windows 7 64-bit so it should be compatible with that version. Just to make sure, you have reinstalled the extension, in any case do it again and see if you get any different result. Something might have gone wrong when you upgraded that might be fixed by uninstalling and reinstalling the extension. Med vänlig hälsning Niklas Johansson Joaquín Lameiro skrev 2013-08-08 14:26: Hello. I have installed the eLAIX extension for Libre Office and it won't work. No matter what action I try to perform, I get a message of this kind: BASIC runtime error. An exception of Type: com.sun.star.container.NoSuchElementException Message: occurred. (the message occurs in Swedish, this is a quick translation). I used eLAIX for Libre Office in other computers and systems, and it worked perfectly, so I have no idea what the problem might be. This time, I am running Libre Office 4.0.4.2 on Windows Vista 32 bits SP 2 and I've tried eLAIX versions 4.0.3 (current stable version) and 4.0.1 (first version supporting LibO 4.0). I had previously tried eLAIX 4.0.3 on LibO 4.1.0, and I thought the problem was due to eLAIX not supporting LibO 4.1, so I uninstalled LibO 4.1 and returned to 4.0. Anyway, the problem still the same: no matter what version of LibO or eLAIX I use, I get the above error message or something similar. Could you give me a hand on this? Thanks for your kindness. Best regards, Joaquín -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
Hi :) 1. I actually prefer this method of support. When i ask a question it's usually because i am not aware of all the variables and so it's difficult to ask exactly the right question. This method of support means we often answer the right question even if that was not exactly the question that was asked. So, it's easier to ask and then try to guide the answers in light of what people respond with. 2. You can probably still Alt and drag your window around but now you just don't need to because you can also drag normally now. 3. Hmm, if GEdit is behaving and LO isn't then it's either a very specific setting in your DE that is making one or the other behave unusually or it is a setting in either GEdit or LO. If you could try with a couple more apps then it might help to pinpoint which 1 is getting special treatment. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: John Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 5:20 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request snip / Well, where do I start? 1) Unlike many helpful responses, I only had to press the left Alt key and move the window, and it worked immediately. Wow, ... thank you! 2) Now I can click on any libre office window, and it pops down to a less than full screen, and moves at will. I don't know if I 'toggled' a feature on, or what, because it works now without pressing the left Alt key. 3) Re: the different window manager issue, I agree, it seems that it might be a non-libre office issue, except that the gedit corner feature works on the same environment. Nevertheless, thank you! John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How to change direction of Outline Numbering to RTL in LO Writer?
I'm still awaiting for any response to my question. If anyone know any suggestion about the question below, please help me. Regards, Sina Momken On 08/07/2013 03:23 AM, Sina Momken wrote: Hello I've recently found another incompatibility between LO Writer and MS Word again. As you may know I'm working on my thesis and I have to obey rules of my university template which is also provided as a .doc or .tex file. The template is originally in Farsi as an RTL language. When you open the template in MS Word, Outline Numberings are shown in Right to Left order. For example sub-chapter (section) 1 of chapter 3 is represented as ۳-۱- (with right to left order) in MS Office and LaTeX templates. But when I import that template in LO Writer, regardless of direction of the paragraph, sub-chapter 1 of chapter 3 is always shown as ۳.۱- which is still in left to right format. You can practically see this wrong numbering direction in Chapter 3 of file below which is a partially translated version of my university template: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4067241/iust_translated_english_template_for_thesis_final_%28nazanin%29_writable.doc The chapter 3 is not translated and you can see that by changing direction of paragraph of ۳.۱- to LTR, it only changes to 3.1-, both of them in left to right direction Generally speaking numbers (like ۱.۹۹ = 1.99) in Farsi are from left to right and characters are from right to left, but for Outline Numberings (i.e. Numbering of Headings) most books and publications use the right to left direction as in characters and not as in simple numbers. But it seems that LO Writer represents Outline Numberings like simpler numbers from left to right. I want to know is there any method to show numbering of headings (Tools-Outline_Numbering) in right to left direction? (e.g. sub-chapter 1 of chapter 3 as ۳-۱- instead of ۳.۱-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How to Find Dangling Cross References in Writer
Interesting approach - strangely enough it's mostly when I've converted to pdf that I discover the problem. So I guess I am already using your method - I just never thought to use the Find feature in the pdf reader. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-Find-Dangling-Cross-References-in-Writer-tp4069418p4069490.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How to Find Dangling Cross References in Writer
At the moment, I don't have time for creating macros, but thanks much for supplying all the code. Hopefully I can get to it after finishing my current project. Again, thanks. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-Find-Dangling-Cross-References-in-Writer-tp4069418p4069491.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc] how to make this formula more compact?
W dniu 2013-08-09 02:00, Brian Barker pisze: At 00:03 09/08/2013 +0200, Gordom Noname wrote: I have a series of data. Here you have a small sample (this data is placed into a column A): ,,08,01,17,27,13 Each cell must be formatted into a proper date time format. I'm achieving this using the following formula in column B (the following example corresponds to cell No A1): =REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(A1;1;1;2013);11;1; );5;1;-);8;1;-);14;1;:);17;1;:) As the result I get this in cell B1: 2013-08-01 17:27:13 My question: Is there a way to simplify the formula? However it works, it doesn't seem to be very elegant right now. I'd probably do something like =2013-MID(A1;3;2)-MID(A1;6;2) MID(A1;9;2):MID(A1;12;2):RIGHT(A1;2) instead. Only you can decide whether this is more elegant. But notice that your formula does not create what I would call a proper date and time format, but instead a text string that looks like a date and time value. (So does my version, of course.) To see the difference, try adding 1 to the date and time value. In your case you will get the result 1, since the text string is treated as zero, but adding one to a genuine date and time value produces a time exactly one day later. You can convert the result of either formula to a real date and time using =DATEVALUE(B1)+TIMEVALUE(B1) and then formatting the result cell appropriately (as -MM-DD HH:MM:SS). You can build this idea into my version by using =DATEVALUE(2013-MID(A1;3;2)-MID(A1;6;2))+TIMEVALUE(MID(A1;9;2):MID(A1;12;2):RIGHT(A1;2)) But that leads to what is perhaps a simpler version: =DATE(2013;MID(A1;3;2);MID(A1;6;2))+TIME(MID(A1;9;2);MID(A1;12;2);RIGHT(A1;2)) Again, you need to format the result cell to display the date and time as you wish to see them. I trust this helps. Brian Barker Thanks for comments Brian. Regards, gordom -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional) to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you can not automatically update software installed with this method, but also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies. 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly redundant. Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g. libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3: 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/ 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3/ These repos must update automatically when newer version of LO come out and so you can update your installed LO in the future only with some clicks, no more efforts. For instructions on how to add a repository see: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Add_package_repositories For the list of all official, semi-official and 3rd party repos see: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#LibreOffice_STABLE I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there remain two problems. (1) The instruction mention a directory desktop-integration to be in the folder RPMS, but there is no such directory. (2) I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center, not a specific module. How do I get that? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How to change direction of Outline Numbering to RTL in LO Writer?
Let me make long story, short: I want to know is there any method to make numbering of sub-chapter 1 of chapter 3 shown as ۳-۱- instead of ۳.۱- in file below??? http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4067241/iust_translated_english_template_for_thesis_final_%28nazanin%29_writable.doc Waiting for any response, Sina Momken On 08/09/2013 05:50 PM, Sina Momken wrote: I'm still awaiting for any response to my question. If anyone know any suggestion about the question below, please help me. Regards, Sina Momken On 08/07/2013 03:23 AM, Sina Momken wrote: Hello I've recently found another incompatibility between LO Writer and MS Word again. As you may know I'm working on my thesis and I have to obey rules of my university template which is also provided as a .doc or .tex file. The template is originally in Farsi as an RTL language. When you open the template in MS Word, Outline Numberings are shown in Right to Left order. For example sub-chapter (section) 1 of chapter 3 is represented as ۳-۱- (with right to left order) in MS Office and LaTeX templates. But when I import that template in LO Writer, regardless of direction of the paragraph, sub-chapter 1 of chapter 3 is always shown as ۳.۱- which is still in left to right format. You can practically see this wrong numbering direction in Chapter 3 of file below which is a partially translated version of my university template: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4067241/iust_translated_english_template_for_thesis_final_%28nazanin%29_writable.doc The chapter 3 is not translated and you can see that by changing direction of paragraph of ۳.۱- to LTR, it only changes to 3.1-, both of them in left to right direction Generally speaking numbers (like ۱.۹۹ = 1.99) in Farsi are from left to right and characters are from right to left, but for Outline Numberings (i.e. Numbering of Headings) most books and publications use the right to left direction as in characters and not as in simple numbers. But it seems that LO Writer represents Outline Numberings like simpler numbers from left to right. I want to know is there any method to show numbering of headings (Tools-Outline_Numbering) in right to left direction? (e.g. sub-chapter 1 of chapter 3 as ۳-۱- instead of ۳.۱-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to change direction of Outline Numbering to RTL in LO Writer?
Hi Sina, Sina Momken schrieb: Let me make long story, short: I want to know is there any method to make numbering of sub-chapter 1 of chapter 3 shown as ۳-۱- instead of ۳.۱- in file below??? http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4067241/iust_translated_english_template_for_thesis_final_%28nazanin%29_writable.doc Waiting for any response, Sina Momken Short answer: No, it is not possible. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=98190 You should make an enhancement request for LibreOffice with link to the old OpenOffice.org issue. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi :) This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older versions that most people want to upgrade. LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer looking one. LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is. Also i don't think there is a problem with dependency issues. Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)). I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there. There is not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible. So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant. Since most of the rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :) Welcome in too! :D Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional) to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you can not automatically update software installed with this method, but also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies. 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly redundant. Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g. libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3: 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/ 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3/ These repos must update automatically when newer version of LO come out and so you can update your installed LO in the future only with some clicks, no more efforts. For instructions on how to add a repository see: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Add_package_repositories For the list of all official, semi-official and 3rd party repos see: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#LibreOffice_STABLE I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there remain two problems. (1) The instruction mention a directory desktop-integration to be in the folder RPMS, but there is no such directory. (2) I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center, not a specific module. How do I get that? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:52:57 +0200 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there remain two problems. (1) The instruction mention a directory desktop-integration to be in the folder RPMS, but there is no such directory. Hi Regina, When you are in the RPM directory, after installing the main LO programs, do this: cd ./desktop-integration and then 'rpm -Uvh *suse*.rpm. That should take care of #1. (2) I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center, not a specific module. How do I get that? Kind regards Regina Not sure about what you mean by the start center. In the lower left corner of the screen (if you're using KDE) is a startup icon. You can start any installed program from there. LO will be under Office Word Processors. OR you can do like many of use and either put the icon on the desktop or in the bottom panel. Tom -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hello Davies, In the case of LO you're right and manual install will not cause any issue. But as a typical user of Linux I prefer installing applications from the default or 3rd party repo. Because this way is easier and mainly because of AUTOMATIC UPDATE capability. But many members of this list (like you and Regina) are more than just typical users of Linux and are somehow professional LO users. Therefor in this case you're right and manual install can be a good option too. Anyway it's up to you. Best, Sina On 08/09/2013 09:01 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older versions that most people want to upgrade. LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer looking one. LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is. Also i don't think there is a problem with dependency issues. Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)). I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there. There is not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible. So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant. Since most of the rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :) Welcome in too! :D Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional) to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you can not automatically update software installed with this method, but also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies. 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly redundant. Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g. libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3: 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/ 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3/ These repos must update automatically when newer version of LO come out and so you can update your installed LO in the future only with some clicks, no more efforts. For instructions on how to add a repository see: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Add_package_repositories For the list of all official, semi-official and 3rd party repos see: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7
On 07-08-2013 22:10, Doug wrote: *I don't remember how*, but if you're going to get into the nuts and bolts, you'd better obtain a book. *Once you figure out how* .. I seem to remember you can. . same or different passwords. I don't know Cant you remember, or do you not know.? The main problem is, to find out what you can do, and how to do it, from Finally a good word! ;) But i dont need a Windows book to find out 'how-to-do' things in Windows. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7
Hi :) I think can't be bothered to think about it is probably more to the point. It's not rocket science it's just one of the most boring and frustrating parts of sys admin role. We know there is better stuff out there. Many of us got into computers to explore exciting new worlds not to do boring spade-work. Anyway, i've done it and moved on and it's the weekend and Eid Al Fitr so there is a lot to celebrate :) Happy Eid all! and for those of you that aren't celebrating that please enjoy a great weekend :) Regards from Tom :) From: Luuk luu...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 20:19 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7 On 07-08-2013 22:10, Doug wrote: *I don't remember how*, but if you're going to get into the nuts and bolts, you'd better obtain a book. *Once you figure out how* .. I seem to remember you can. . same or different passwords. I don't know Cant you remember, or do you not know.? The main problem is, to find out what you can do, and how to do it, from Finally a good word! ;) But i dont need a Windows book to find out 'how-to-do' things in Windows. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi :) +1 to normally installing from repos and the rest of your advice was is all good too. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 20:08 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse Hello Davies, In the case of LO you're right and manual install will not cause any issue. But as a typical user of Linux I prefer installing applications from the default or 3rd party repo. Because this way is easier and mainly because of AUTOMATIC UPDATE capability. But many members of this list (like you and Regina) are more than just typical users of Linux and are somehow professional LO users. Therefore in this case you're right and manual install can be a good option too. Anyway it's up to you. Best, Sina On 08/09/2013 09:01 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older versions that most people want to upgrade. LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer looking one. LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is. Also i don't think there is a problem with dependency issues. Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)). I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there. There is not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible. So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant. Since most of the rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :) Welcome in too! :D Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional) to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you can not automatically update software installed with this method, but also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies. 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly redundant. Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g. libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3: 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/ 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL
Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi :) i knew someone would have a good answer for 2. 1 only changed in the latest release, i think, and i only heard about that on this list otherwise i'm not sure any of us would have known. Well, a couple of people obviously. Good to see another person with an excellent name had the answer for 2 Regards from Tom too :) From: Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 19:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse snip / (2) I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center, not a specific module. How do I get that? Kind regards Regina Not sure about what you mean by the start center. In the lower left corner of the screen (if you're using KDE) is a startup icon. You can start any installed program from there. LO will be under Office Word Processors. OR you can do like many of use and either put the icon on the desktop or in the bottom panel. Tom -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
Hi Regina, welcome to the wonderful world of linux. Feel free to ask questions as there is a learning curve :) I am not familiar with Suse but most linux flavours have a few consistencies. Not strictly answering your question but my thoughts: 1. With linux you are likely to have a number of workspaces and you can navigate left to right by using CTRL-ALT-Right Arrow or Left Arrow 2. I normally dedicate a workspace to LO (in my case workspace 4) 3. When I go to the desktop menu I can select the Office TAB and select (eg.) LibreOffice Writer which opens a blank document 4. F4 to close this document 5. the LO start center should appear on your desktop 6. I just leave the start center in that workspace whenever I need to use it Now a couple of qualifiers: I guess you are using KDE and I am not familiar with how you access the menu in step 3 (according to the doco there should be an office icon at the top of the screen - I am guessing you are not seeing that) Normally the office tab will have a libreoffice option which removes the need to open up a blank doc. A well intentioned update to 4.1 is causing a bit of strife in this regard. Hope this helps Tim On 08/10/2013 06:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 to normally installing from repos and the rest of your advice was is all good too. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 20:08 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse Hello Davies, In the case of LO you're right and manual install will not cause any issue. But as a typical user of Linux I prefer installing applications from the default or 3rd party repo. Because this way is easier and mainly because of AUTOMATIC UPDATE capability. But many members of this list (like you and Regina) are more than just typical users of Linux and are somehow professional LO users. Therefore in this case you're right and manual install can be a good option too. Anyway it's up to you. Best, Sina On 08/09/2013 09:01 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older versions that most people want to upgrade. LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer looking one. LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is. Also i don't think there is a problem with dependency issues. Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)). I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there. There is not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible. So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant. Since most of the rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :) Welcome in too! :D Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive, unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme. Hello Regina, I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install, manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos: 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can always be updated without the need to download and update your applications one by one. 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible e.g. gnome 3.8). 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade feature. 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then follow the inner instructions to
[libreoffice-users] Numbers displaying in different script!
Hi, I have a strange problem. Whenever I type numbers (1, 2, 3, etc.) they don't show up in English alphabet, but in some unknown language (see the picture [1]). Whenever I copy-paste to other applications, it shows up correctly as 1, 2, 3, etc. I have set English (USA) as my language, but this bug affects only numbers! I don't have this problem in other applications. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/exhXJan.png --Lucia -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Linux Mint icon theme for Libre Office
Hello, I am working on a Mint-X icon theme for Libre Office. Mint-X is the default theme for Linux Mint. Clement Lefebvre, the project leader of Linux Mint, has already included my work in Mint 15 Olivia and an updated version will be part of Mint 16. We are having problems with the implementation though, because our theme is not among the supported themes on Libre Office. We had to pretend to be another theme for it to be detected. Specifically, we named it images_human.zip because I noticed that Ubuntu's theme Human is supported. What steps do I need to take to have our icon theme included in Libre Office? Hoping for a favorable response. Regards, Bamm -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbers displaying in different script!
On 10/08/13 1:31 PM, shared you wrote: Hi, I have a strange problem. Whenever I type numbers (1, 2, 3, etc.) they don't show up in English alphabet, but in some unknown language (see the picture [1]). Whenever I copy-paste to other applications, it shows up correctly as 1, 2, 3, etc. I have set English (USA) as my language, but this bug affects only numbers! I don't have this problem in other applications. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/exhXJan.png --Lucia Hi. What is the locale you have set in your operating system. Does it make a difference if you tick Ignore system input language on your screen shot. steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Numbers displaying in different script!
Hello, This is not a bug. I guess the document was written in a bi-directional enabled Writer using Hindi Numerals. To fix it do: 1- Tools-Options-Language_Settings-Languages-Enhanced_language_support-Show UI elements for Bi-Directional writing 2- OK (which closes options) 3- Go to options-Language_Settings again and then you should find Complex Text Layout or Bi-Directional Layout or something like that (3rd in the list). 4- General_options-Numerals=Context (I guess it should currently be Hindi) Respond back if this answer worked. Regards, Sina Momken On 08/10/2013 06:01 AM, shared you wrote: Hi, I have a strange problem. Whenever I type numbers (1, 2, 3, etc.) they don't show up in English alphabet, but in some unknown language (see the picture [1]). Whenever I copy-paste to other applications, it shows up correctly as 1, 2, 3, etc. I have set English (USA) as my language, but this bug affects only numbers! I don't have this problem in other applications. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/exhXJan.png --Lucia -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
