Re: [libreoffice-users] Using the TOC/Index function.
Thanks for the comments Tom You are right - I was meant to send it to the Scribus Forum but I selected the wrong eMail address!! My Bad as they say these days!! Regarding your comments - what you say makes a lot of sense. All the best -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 2 things: Base and captcha
Thomas Taylor wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:38:29 -0500 Bob Muir rmu...@triad.rr.com wrote: 2. When I tried to send the above message at http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/feedback/, I couldn’t get past the “captcha” thing. I have no idea what I am supposed to do with the “(Please solve the captcha)” thing! Add, subtract, divide, substring, parse,...? What am I supposed to do with the two series of numerals? Can't help with #1. #2, the captcha thing, is a method of foiling machine generated responses. The captha is shown in a distorted font which computers have trouble deciphering. Just determine what the letters or numbers are and enter them in the box that says enter text here. No calculations are required. That isn't what I see when I click on the link (and then click through the iframe to see the captcha). I see a photograph with some digits in it, and a string of digits in a distorted font. So there are two strings of digits as the OP says, and no instrctions on how to use them. The instructions just say: Please solve the challenge below, and click the I'm a Human button to get a confirmation code. But they don't actually say how to solve the challenge! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 2 things: Base and captcha
On 11/28/13 5:08 AM, Dave Howorth wrote: That isn't what I see when I click on the link (and then click through the iframe to see the captcha). I see a photograph with some digits in it, and a string of digits in a distorted font. So there are two strings of digits as the OP says, and no instrctions on how to use them. The instructions just say: Please solve the challenge below, and click the I'm a Human button to get a confirmation code. But they don't actually say how to solve the challenge! Solving the challenge, in my experience with Captchas, is simply typing the two strings of characters (words or numbers) into the input box. Just enter a space to separate the two strings of characters. The challenge, for me at least, is actually being able to read the provided characters! I guess I am just old. :-) If you have the same problem, there is a button to push to get another challenge. I usually have to click that button 6 or 8 times until I get something I find readable. Hope this helps. Charles -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Cheers, -- Pablo M. Dotro That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very complex document, with few styles and lots of hand formatting, spaces and newlines.) There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll t the very top, there is a Clear formatting option, which behaves very differently from the Clear direct formatting ^M option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether it solves the problem. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085369.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Using the TOC/Index function.
Hi :) I am hoping to move the company newsletter to Scribus, or something. A couple of years ago we moved it to LibreOffice from MS Office and since then many people have commented on the vast improvement in quality. Also it takes just a couple of days now where it used to take 1-2 weeks. Plus it opens on all machines without crashing any of them. When i was first given the hopeless mess i had to use one of the worst machines in the building and i'd have to reboot Windows several times per day. To be fair when i moved it to LibreOffice i was also able to do neat little tricks like removing 2 or 3 bars of single colour that were each a separate image of around 200Kb each and replace with 1 gif of 1 pixel x 1 pixel. Also swapped out many of the logos for better quality ones of a more suitable size. Where LO really scored was in allowing much greater precision in placing logos neatly rather than just plonking them down. However even before those neat tricks, and even when i was still using the MS format, LO still allowed me to use the same machine without crashing until around the end-of-day. Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 07:59, Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.net wrote: Thanks for the comments Tom You are right - I was meant to send it to the Scribus Forum but I selected the wrong eMail address!! My Bad as they say these days!! Regarding your comments - what you say makes a lot of sense. All the best -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question
** Reply to message from Dave Liesse dslie...@liessefamily.net on Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:12:16 -0800 Dave, Thank you for the formula! I figured out how to enter it as a user function so it's easy to use. Thanks again. Cliff I've had troubles in the past finding specific financial functions, as well. Can't help from the function standpoint in this case, but you could always fall back on the actual equation: FV = PV*(1+i)^n where FV is future value, PV is present value, i is the periodic interest rate, and n is the number of periods. Dave On 11/27/2013 15:10, Cliff Scott wrote: I haven't done much spread sheet formula work so please don't mind a couple of simple questions. I would like to do two things: 1. Calculate compound interest on an amount given the rate and number of interest periods. Looking at the list of functions there are lots of ones that come close to that, but I wasn't able to find one that would do exact that. 2. How do I write a conditional loop in Calc? If I want to calculate a formula for 10 iterations how would I do that? For instance Value=Value*N+Value. That would give me the compound interest also. I can do it with a bunch of cells strung out each one representing one interest period, but for any length of time it becomes unwieldy. Thank you very much for any help. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Fwd: [libreoffice-marketing] Bug hunting session, December 7-8-9
Hi all, The QA project is organizing a bug hunting session during the 4.2.0 beta2 period. It will be on the 6 to 8 of December, and could be longer of course. Could you please help us to spread the news? The page is here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.2.0 We will be present on irc and a Moztrap run will be available. Thanks in advance Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to reduce installation size?
Hi :) Dohh! Dunno why i thought 350Mb. Going back to the space limitations ... Are you sure you need all the apps? If you only ever seem to use Writer then perhaps AbiWord might be more than enough. If you only do spreadsheets then Gnumeric is sometimes even better than Calc or Excel because it's a dedicated app that doesn't have to try to fit-in with anything else. I dunno how many apps you would need before it took up as much space as the full suite. AbiWord http://www.abisource.com/download/ Gnumeric https://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/downloads.shtml However, since you are on debian it might be better to use one of your package managers. the command-line one might be something like sudo apt-get abiword gnumeric or just miss off whichever of those you don't really need. I'm not quite as keen on AbiWord because back when i used to use it i had to use File - Save As ... to get into MS formats whereas LibreOffice/OpenOffice allows you to set MS formats as their defaults. Nowadays i tend to default to ODF anyway and only do one-offs into Microsquish formats when someone grumbles about not being able to read something i've sent. Nowadays i'll do that while in the email i now grumble about how limited MS is and suggest they install LibreOffice or OpenOffice or any of the other wide variety of programs that can handle all the formats that MS can't. It's not good to set the defaults to be non-ODF so maybe it's about time i try AbiWord again. Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 06:21, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 19:19 27/11/2013 +, Tom Davies wrote: 350Mb is about the size of a Cd. Ask for a refund: it's faulty. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How to reduce installation size?
minhsien0330: So I want reduce the size of Libreoffice as small as possible. You cannot do that without breaking functionality. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Hi :) For my company's newsletter i sometimes copypaste into a text-editor and then re-select and copypaste from there. Fairly recently i found i could use Shift Ctrl v and go to the bottom of the pop-up box that gives me to Paste as unformatted text and that usually strips away all strange formatting. The only thing it doesn't get rid of is when people press Enter or Return at the end of each line. I guess going back to the text-editor method might be an easier way of doing that. In the GEdit text-editor i would search for \n Even though it removes the odd 1 or 2 bits of formatting that you do want to keep i tend to find it more efficient to just get rid of the whole lot and then reapply styles (such as Heading 3) and then maybe open the styles pop-up to edit that style. I used to pick little bitsbobs to unformat or chunks or maybe whole paragraphs but it involves much more faffing around than so doing the whole lot in one go and then sorting the headings and stuff. It might take a little while before you find the best work-flow for you. Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 13:25, pbw li...@pbw.id.au wrote: Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Cheers, -- Pablo M. Dotro That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very complex document, with few styles and lots of hand formatting, spaces and newlines.) There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll t the very top, there is a Clear formatting option, which behaves very differently from the Clear direct formatting ^M option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether it solves the problem. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085369.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Using the TOC/Index function.
Hi :) Errr, i just meant to say thanks! Also to say that feedback about how Scribus compares with LO might be appreciated! Please ignore my previous post in this thread! Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 07:59, Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.net wrote: Thanks for the comments Tom You are right - I was meant to send it to the Scribus Forum but I selected the wrong eMail address!! My Bad as they say these days!! Regarding your comments - what you say makes a lot of sense. All the best -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
At 05:25 28/11/2013 -0800, Peter West wrote: Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very complex document, with few styles and lots of hand formatting, spaces and newlines.) There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll to the very top, there is a Clear formatting option, which behaves very differently from the Clear direct formatting ^M option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether it solves the problem. I still don't understand why you consider any of this a difficulty. If you have a mixture of direct formatting along with character and paragraph styles, you may well wish to remove some parts of it, but not all. So it's useful to have more than one facility. Surely you would expect to need to remove the different parts of applied formatting separately - and delight that you were able to do so selectively. As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
At 15:34 28/11/2013 +, Tom Davies wrote: The only thing it doesn't get rid of is when people press Enter or Return at the end of each line. There is a workaround for that, too: select the text and go to Format | AutoCorrect | Apply. Amongst other reformatting, this combines single line paragraphs if their length is sufficient. Since it makes other changes, you may wish to do this before performing other editing. Alternatively, you can use Format | AutoCorrect | Apply and Edit Changes, which makes the same changes but allows you to accept them or reject them. You could accept all the Combine paragraphs changes (sort by Comment and select multiple actions to make this easier) and reject all the rest. This technique also applies Text Body paragraph style, but it is a simple task to change this afterwards if required. For this technique to work, you need to have ticked Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | Combine single line paragraphs if length greater than nn%. You may need to modify the percentage - which you can do by selecting the option and clicking the Edit... button. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Issues downloading LibreOffice Portable: Possible problems with servers / mirror
Hello, I was trying to download the LibreOffice 4.1.3 Portable edition from LibreOffice.org, and then tried the download from PortableApps.com. I've tried to download the package using different methods and browsers, and the download (which is supposed to be around 113 MB, according to HTTP headers) stops (at anywhere from 7.9 MB downloaded to 40.2 MB downloaded, in the multiple attempts to download LibreOffice Portable). The browser gets the impression that the download is completed. However, I get an error message when opening the LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe file, saying that the installer integrity check failed. I know that: * I am using a direct connection to the internet router. * I got the same, repeating issue every time I tried to re-download the file. * It appeared as if I were being redirected to a mirror. * Nothing is wrong with my hosts file (%systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts). * I didn't lose my internet connection. I've come to the conclusion that something might be wrong with the servers of The Document Foundation, LibreOffice, or the mirror mirror.nexcess.net. Is there anything I can do to download LibreOffice Portable without these issues, or is something going on on your servers or the mirror? I also noticed unusual behavior of the LibreOffice website when attempting to download LibreOffice Portable, as described below in the HTTP headers: Data I found questionable is marked red, while data that is unusual is marked yellow, followed by a note. When I clicked the download button for LibreOffice, I noticed that it goes to the url http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe. However, I get redirected to a mirror url (http://mirror.nexcess.net/tdf/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe). When reviewing the headers of the requests, I found some information in the headers that is questionable, as seen below. Request URL: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Request Method: GET Status Code: HTTP/1.1 302 Found - For some reason, I get redirected. Request Headers18:57:51.000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0 Referer: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable (Yes, I also tried downloading the portable software from your website.) Host: download.documentfoundation.org Connection: keep-alive Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8 Response Headers251ms X-Prefix: 72.241.128.0/17 X-MirrorBrain-Realm: country X-MirrorBrain-Mirror: nexcess.net X-AS: 13490 Vary: Accept-Encoding Server: Apache Location: http://mirror.nexcess.net/tdf/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Link: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe.meta4; rel=describedby; type=application/metalink4+xml, ; rel=describedby; type=application/x-bittorrent, ; rel=duplicate; pri=1; geo=us, ; rel=duplicate; pri=2; geo=us, ; rel=duplicate; pri=3; geo=us, ; rel=duplicate; pri=4; geo=us, Digest: MD5=gOtt1+3GnpMsJZLQv+JwvQ==, SHA=Shu9Msjb6ftKYIuf6wDBrLspzzE=, SHA-256=Y6fhl+OsxcSFp9fGzmOkST5Lc9UflDDSEfH6Z006F2A= Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:57:48 GMT Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 Content-Encoding: gzip Connection: close Request URL: http://mirror.nexcess.net/tdf/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Request Method: GET Status Code: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Request Headers18:36:01.000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0 Referer: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable Host: mirror.nexcess.net Connection: keep-alive Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8 Response Headers77ms X-Pad: avoid browser bug Server: Apache Last-Modified: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 03:53:47 GMT Etag: 716ffc0-4ea51dcf2e8c0 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:35:58 GMT Content-Type: application/x-msdownload - Usually, binary downloads are used with the MIME type application/octet-stream. Content-Length: 118947776 - PortableApps.com says that the file is 116 MB. In the Windows calculator, 118947776 bytes / 1024 / 1024 = about 13.4 MB, which doesn't even round to 114 MB. Connection: close Accept-Ranges: bytes Thank you very much. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
[libreoffice-users] Issues downloading LibreOffice Portable
Hello, I was trying to download the LibreOffice 4.1.3 Portable edition from LibreOffice.org, and then tried the download from PortableApps.com. I've tried to download the package using different methods and browsers, and the download (which is supposed to be around 113 MB, according to HTTP headers) stops (at anywhere from 7.9 MB downloaded to 40.2 MB downloaded, in the multiple attempts to download LibreOffice Portable). The browser gets the impression that the download is completed. However, I get an error message when opening the LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe file, saying that the installer integrity check failed. I know that: * I am using a direct connection to the internet router. * I got the same, repeating issue every time I tried to re-download the file. * It appeared as if I were being redirected to a mirror. * Nothing is wrong with my hosts file (%systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts). * I didn't lose my internet connection. I've come to the conclusion that something might be wrong with the servers of The Document Foundation, LibreOffice, or the mirror mirror.nexcess.net. Is there anything I can do to download LibreOffice Portable without these issues, or is something going on on your servers or the mirror? I also noticed unusual behavior of the LibreOffice website when attempting to download LibreOffice Portable, as described below in the HTTP headers: Data I found questionable is marked red, while data that is unusual is marked yellow, followed by a note. When I clicked the download button for LibreOffice, I noticed that it goes to the url http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe. However, I get redirected to a mirror url (http://mirror.nexcess.net/tdf/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe). When reviewing the headers of the requests, I found some information in the headers that is questionable, as seen below. Request URL: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Request Method: GET Status Code: HTTP/1.1 302 Found - For some reason, I get redirected. Request Headers18:57:51.000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0 Referer: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable (Yes, I also tried downloading the portable software from your website.) Host: download.documentfoundation.org Connection: keep-alive Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8 Response Headers251ms X-Prefix: 72.241.128.0/17 X-MirrorBrain-Realm: country X-MirrorBrain-Mirror: nexcess.net X-AS: 13490 Vary: Accept-Encoding Server: Apache Location: http://mirror.nexcess.net/tdf/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Link: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe.meta4; rel=describedby; type=application/metalink4+xml, ; rel=describedby; type=application/x-bittorrent, ; rel=duplicate; pri=1; geo=us, ; rel=duplicate; pri=2; geo=us, ; rel=duplicate; pri=3; geo=us, ; rel=duplicate; pri=4; geo=us, Digest: MD5=gOtt1+3GnpMsJZLQv+JwvQ==, SHA=Shu9Msjb6ftKYIuf6wDBrLspzzE=, SHA-256=Y6fhl+OsxcSFp9fGzmOkST5Lc9UflDDSEfH6Z006F2A= Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:57:48 GMT Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Length: 311 Content-Encoding: gzip Connection: close Request URL: http://mirror.nexcess.net/tdf/libreoffice/portable/4.1.3/LibreOfficePortable_4.1.3_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe Request Method: GET Status Code: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Request Headers18:36:01.000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0 Referer: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable Host: mirror.nexcess.net Connection: keep-alive Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8 Response Headers77ms X-Pad: avoid browser bug Server: Apache Last-Modified: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 03:53:47 GMT Etag: 716ffc0-4ea51dcf2e8c0 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:35:58 GMT Content-Type: application/x-msdownload - Usually, binary downloads are used with the MIME type application/octet-stream. Content-Length: 118947776 - PortableApps.com says that the file is 116 MB. In the Windows calculator, 118947776 bytes / 1024 / 1024 = about 13.4 MB, which doesn't even round to 114 MB. Connection: close Accept-Ranges: bytes Thank you very much. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze of twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make me lose my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. Also, if Apply Style applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles, why not have it say Apply Paragraph Style so as to make it obvious and avoid the obscurity. Default Formatting could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into separate functions that do one thing each. i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. 3) Remove formatting by character styles. That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. In addition, I do NOT expect Clear formatting to reset the paragraph style to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the formatting just as it implies. I would expect Reset Paragraph Style to Default to reset the paragraph style to default. There's far too much guesswork and intimate knowledge required here. It's all quite NON-obvious. Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. Just my opinions of course. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Copying text
I want to enter text here [xxx] and have it copy that text [here] [here] and [here]. How can I do that? Example: Dear Mr. Mrs. [NAME] Our study of the [NAME] dynasty is complete. The [NAME] family has a history going back to the ancient Greeks, where Carlos [NAME] first...blah blah blah. Thank you in advance. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying text
There are numerous programs to do just that; you should be able to find one to suit you here - http://www.techsupportalert.com/ But remember, there are some folks - as myself - who can spot these generic letters - whether mailed or e-mailed - due to their impersonal approach. I feel the same indifference toward companies who use mailing labels ;-) From the horse 'n buggy era gal ;-) From: A publicf...@bak.rr.com Date: Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 3:21 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Copying text To: users@global.libreoffice.org I want to enter text here [xxx] and have it copy that text [here] [here] and [here]. How can I do that? Example: Dear Mr. Mrs. [NAME] Our study of the [NAME] dynasty is complete. The [NAME] family has a history going back to the ancient Greeks, where Carlos [NAME] first...blah blah blah. Thank you in advance. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
yes, I so agree. Hi :) I am sick of people going on about MS Office all the time. People ask for a list of reasons why LibreOffice should be considered but are never going to listen to any of the reasons. [This started as a letter to a work-colleague but i think i would get the sack if i sent it.] Here are a few i've noticed ... 1. Each of the following versions/releases are quite different menus from each other 2007, 2010, 2013 and then radically different for 365 All those are radically different from 2003 and prior. Prior to 2003 their menus were all quite similar but now the all new ribbon-bar keeps changing quite a lot. The menus/ribbon-bar is so different between each one that many, perhaps even most, people need re-training between each one. People trained in 2010 often have trouble with 2007, 2013 and can't cope with 365. 'IT Training' organisations have huge books about the different ways of doing things in each version. People trained in 2010 who go on to get an office job might well find they struggle to use whichever other version their new workplace uses. Many of the people doing IT Training are not even looking for work that would involve using desktop computers. They just need to learn just enough to write a CV (which could be done using menus in their own language in LibreOffice rather than first having to learn enough English (US)). 2. Formats are slightly different. From 2010 they open documents from other versions in Compatibility Mode but that doesn't always work. Images get moved or corrupted. Paragraphs sometimes have chunks that are a different font or size. 3. The macro programming language changes between each version so that macros written for 2007 probably wont work in 2010. Sometimes people have to buy a different version of MS Office than they already have, purely to be able to run a particular macro. One of the reasons the macro language keeps being changed is due to it's vulnerability to attacks. Apparently it's fairly easy to add extra code to a macro to execute code, insert trojans, open ports. MS keep trying to make it safer and keep assuring us it is safe now but then another attack reaches the news. Many places lock-down MS Office so that it cannot open or use macros. To move to a newer version of MS Office macros need to be re-written and that might cost time and money. By contrast LibreOffice; 1. keeps the same menu layout for each different version. They just add new features into the existing menus. Retraining might be needed 1 time when people first move to LibreOffice. After that they need no new training between different versions/releases. 2. The format stays the same between different versions of the program. It is the same format used natively by many other programs such as IBM Lotus Symphony, Google-docs, K.Office, Calligra and others. Even MS Office 2013, and more recent, can open and use the format which is an ISO format. 3. Macros can be written in proper programming languages such as C++ or Python but people can use a slightly different version of Basic that is not so vulnerable. Macros are run slightly differently so that they can't cause infections. Often IT training organisations will put months into learning newer versions of MS Office and Windows but not put any time into learning LibreOffice and then grumble that LibreOffice is not identical to MS Office (without stating which version of MS Office they expected it to be similar to. They don't grumble about changes in MS Office and don't expect it to be easy to change versions. Even so, one was able to show me some neat tricks in LibreOffice, that i hadn't realised it could do. Getting into some petty details. LibreOffice; 1. produces better quality Pdfs more easily and gives more options for them (such as loss-less compression instead of creating smudges) 2. handles images more smoothly 3. better quality documents faster and more easily 4. more secure and robust. Even if it does run into troubles it doesn't affect other programs so much. 5. once it's open it's faster 6. works well on much lower spec machines 7. of the 4 main platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux, Bsd) MS office only works on 1, occasionally 2. There wont be a Mac version of 2013. LibreOffice works on all 4. 8. handles a much wider range of formats from other programs including many MS ones that have been dropped by MS. 9. Relatively easily switches between different languages so that non-English speakers can still use it. On Windows you have to struggle to find an appropriate font and regionalisation but on Ubuntu it loads the font when you load the language. 10. if you want changes you can program them or pay for someone locally to do the programming. You do not have to sit back and just hope 1 monolithic organisation takes notice of your own needs. 11. it's a LOT cheaper, especially for individual people (rather than large companies who may end up employing
[libreoffice-users] Re: Copying text
Am 28.11.2013 22:21, schrieb A: I want to enter text here [xxx] and have it copy that text [here] [here] and [here]. How can I do that? You can e.g. create insert a variable called User Field: 1) Write your text 2) Place Cursor at the desired first occurence of the variable. 3) Insert Fields Other Tab Variables 4) Select Type User Field, Format Text, Name MyName (or similar, some reserved names like Name are not allowed), Value [EDIT ME] 5) Click Insert button (or arrow) but don't close the Field Dialog. 6) Move the cursor to the next occurence of the variable 7) Double click on the variable in the Selection pane to insert a new instance Repeat #6 - 7 until you are done. Save the document. To change the variable's content (= its value) you can double click any one of the instances and edit the Value field in the Field Dialog. If you don't see any, you can play with the toggles in View Field Shadings or View Field Names. HTH Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base; Setting up relations between tables
On 11/27/2013 11:08 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 27/11/13 15:24, Scott Castaline a écrit : Hi Scott, What am I not doing? I'm thinking of changing one other field this way and was doing this one to figure out doing it. From your description, it sounds like you have not set the correct bound field in the properties of your Combobox on your main form. Enter Design mode for your main form, and then select the control you want to edit, or if you have both a control and associated label, enter the group first (right mouse button click on the control in question Edit/Enter group). From here, you need to make sure that your box is bound to the right data source in the Data tab, and the correct field, or alternatively, make the population of that field dependent on a SQL statement that basically just says SELECT * FROM fieldusedtopopulateform. Save the form, leave edit mode and see if it now works. Alex Alex, I went back into the design mode and found that I hadn't completely setup the data page in the field control settings. Once I did that when I clicked on the arrow a drop down box appeared with 5 lines from the corresponding table. I assumed it was working fine, so I proceeded to do the same with 2 other fields. I created the tables for them, initially populated them with data, setup the relations with the main table. Again all seemed to be working fine. I was able to either click the arrow for the drop down to list the different values or start typing in the value and it would attempt to complete based on what was in the corresponding table and what I had typed so far. This afternoon I went back into the db and the main table's form when I noticed that the fields involved were displaying what I had entered for the last record created/edited. If I changed it to correct it I found that for all records that field remained the same. Since so far I've only been entering info from CDs and have not started with any vinyl yet so that field would be the same as well as the genre since I've also been entering in from a collection of the same genre, but the field in question is the one that tracks where I purchased the media from. That field is the one that is supposed to change for at least 2 of the 20 CDs I've entered so far. That was how I noticed that something was wrong. I've also noticed that when I go into Edit mode of the form some fields will display data as though I'm in data entry mode and not design mode. I don't know if this is related or something else happening. I've tried several different combinations of settings for these fields whit no resolve of problem. On the data page of the field control I have; for Data Fields I have it pointing to the field that has the data I'm using to fill in the main table. for the next 2 settings I have left on default yes, the type of list contents = Table and List content = name of table that I'm linked to. It seems to me that somehow the relations aren't working the way I want them to. It's applying the same record(s) from the linked table(s) to all records in the main table. I have the same type of field settings for the primary keys as I do for the main table calling it the table name_ID set as an integer with AutoValue set. I then added on reference of these fields as foreign keys in the main table. The relations were set using the GUI by clicking on the the corresponding fields with the 1 end to the list tables and the N end to the foreign key field in the main table. Maybe it should be the other way or many to many, but I don't see how to do that. It seems that the GUI automatically sets the relation as 1 to N and the directions as well. Again thanks. Scott C. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Hi Tom Tom wrote 2. The format stays the same between different versions of the program. It is the same format used natively by many other programs such as IBM Lotus Symphony, Google-docs, K.Office, Calligra and others. Even MS Office 2013, and more recent, can open and use the format which is an ISO format. Actually this is not true. The file extension is the same but the format has been changing (that is why you have options to save to ODF 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.2 Extended) If you try to open an ODF 1.2 Extended file more complex than simple text with any other of those programs (even with some older versions of LibreOffice) you will find some incompatibilities... So, I agree with most of your points but this argument is shooting yourself on the foot. ODF does share that problem with MS XML files: same extension, different file structure. The advantage is that you can always get the latest LibreOffice version for free (unlike MS Office...) Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-moving-to-new-version-of-MS-Office-tp4085488p4085496.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. That would be very useful. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 29 Nov 2013, at 7:00 am, A [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4085467...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze of twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make me lose my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. Also, if Apply Style applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles, why not have it say Apply Paragraph Style so as to make it obvious and avoid the obscurity. Default Formatting could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into separate functions that do one thing each. i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. 3) Remove formatting by character styles. That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. In addition, I do NOT expect Clear formatting to reset the paragraph style to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the formatting just as it implies. I would expect Reset Paragraph Style to Default to reset the paragraph style to default. There's far too much guesswork and intimate knowledge required here. It's all quite NON-obvious. Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. Just my opinions of course. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085467.html To unsubscribe from A feature, or ...?, click here. NAML -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. The problem is that _some_ formatting seems to get stuck. This is either an implementation bug or, for some obscure reason, a design decision; which makes it a design bug. Named styles are exclusive. Even though a style is _based_ on another style, recursively, applying a named style overrides the previous named style, whether the old style is an ancestor of the new style, or a completely different beast. That should be that as far as applying named styles goes. All that should be left is any style fragments that one has applied from the toolbar: bold, italic, etc; left, centered, etc; a particular font and so on. That may include bits of format applied through a formatparagraph or formatcharacter menu, _provided_ that all of this formatting is removed by the 'Clear direct formatting' operation. _Everything_ else must be reset to the values defined (or defaulted) in the applied style. This should not be a problem. If you like the look of some styling, create a new named style from the selection. Then extend and modify as required. That's what styles are all about. The other thing is to clearly display the interaction of paragraph and list styles. The style name display should have the capacity to display ALL the named styles that are in play, and there should be a display option, similar to the 'Display special characters' button, to toggle 'Show direct formatting.' It all boils down to being able to determine the source of any formatting, and being able, easily, to reset all formatting to a named style or set of complementary style types; paragraph, character, list. And yes, your discussion does help. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 29 Nov 2013, at 4:44 am, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: I still don't understand why you consider any of this a difficulty. If you have a mixture of direct formatting along with character and paragraph styles, you may well wish to remove some parts of it, but not all. So it's useful to have more than one facility. Surely you would expect to need to remove the different parts of applied formatting separately - and delight that you were able to do so selectively. As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying text
Thank you but copy paste is not what I was looking for. On 11/28/2013 01:52 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There are many ways. You can even mixmatch. My usual favourite is to select the text with the mouse; (single click at the start or end and then keeping my finger down on the left mouse button drag the mouse arrow until all the text is selected and then release the mouse button) Then push down and hold the Ctrl key with my little finger. While i'm holding that down i press the c key with my middle finger. Ctrl c This naturally positions my index finger to hover just above the v. Without moving the rest of my hand i ease up on the middle finger but leave my little finger pressing down on the Ctrl key. Then i use the mouse to move to the 1st target area and when i get there push down sharply with my index finger and release my index finger quickly so that it's hovering again. Briefly the combination was; Ctrl v bombs away right? Then move swiftly to the 2nd target are and tap the v key again with my little finger not having moved off the Ctrl key the whole time. Repeating the same move over and over until the text i had initially selected has landed in all the right places. Ctrl c = copy and oddly c stands for copy, right? Ctrl v = paste and the v looks a bit like a down arrow Another interesting one is Ctrl x = cut and the x looks a little like a pair of scissors If it goes horribly wrong then Ctrl z = undo Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 21:21, A publicf...@bak.rr.com wrote: I want to enter text here [xxx] and have it copy that text [here] [here] and [here]. How can I do that? Example: Dear Mr. Mrs. [NAME] Our study of the [NAME] dynasty is complete. The [NAME] family has a history going back to the ancient Greeks, where Carlos [NAME] first...blah blah blah. Thank you in advance. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Tom wrote: 3. Macros can be written in proper programming languages such as C++ or Python but people can use a slightly different version of Basic that is not so vulnerable. Macros are run slightly differently so that they can't cause infections. It is, however, easier to find material that teavches one how to write a macro for MSO, than to write a macro for LibO 8. handles a much wider range of formats from other programs including many MS ones that have been dropped by MS. There has been some discussion about dropping support for some of the older file formats. Not from the vintage when WangWriter reigned supreme, but from the days of OpenOffice 1.5. 9. Relatively easily switches between different languages so that non-English speakers can still use it. On Windows you have to struggle to find an appropriate font and regionalisation but on Ubuntu it loads the font when you load the language. How does LibreOfffice in say, Korean, behave, when installed on an English (GB) version of Windows? On the flipside, how does English (UK) LibO behave, when installed on a Japanese version of Windows? And along those lines, is there still a person, or group that constructs: * A Pan-Indian LibO DVD. (LibO for the four major operating systems, in all of the official languaes, and most of the semi-official languages of India.); *A Southern African DVD (LibO in the official languages of South Africa, Namibia, Mocambique, Angola, Lesotho, Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi, for the four major operating systems.); * The Arabic, English, German, Hebrew, Russian compilation LibO DVD, for the four major operating systems.; 11. it's a LOT cheaper, especially for individual people (rather than large companies who may end up employing programmers at a fraction the cost license fees would have been) Whether or not LibO is cheaper than MSO, is a matter of deciding what factors to look at, and how to define those factors. * For the typical individual, there is no visible difference between the upfront cost of MSO, and the upfront cost of LibO. They both appear to be gratis. * On the support end of things, there is a huge cost difference between the two. (US$50 per incident versus US$500 per incident.) * For corporations, it is much easier, and cheaper to find Level 3 Tier support for MSO, than LibO. On the flipside, Level 3 Tier support for LibO can be done in-house --- if the board of directors fully backs that proposition, and provides the requisite support to carry it off. Many companies, especially charities, can buy MS Office for bargain discount special deals. Microsoft's hypocracy in offering discounts for their software to charitable organizations has been well documented for more than a decade. Their charitable sales arm is best known for ensuring its victims spend more money on software and hardware, than those victims receives in gifts, kind, and related donations. When an individual person tries to buy MS Office it can easily cost them over £100 and may be several hundred. For the majority of individuals, MSO is effectively gratis, because it is included in the junkware that infects their new computer. For a significant proportion of the rest of the population, MSO can be had for under 100 Euros. What people tend to forget, is that MSO was not designed for SOHO usage. Individuals usually only get some of the programs and may need to buy Publisher or other things separately. Publisher has never been part of the basic MSO packages. I'm not even sure it was part of any of the professional packages. I know that it came with an enterprise edition, but those editions are best compared with Debian, or Xubuntu. Is it morally right for a charity to expect it's service-users to spend so much more money than they need to and thus ensure the charity can keep getting special discounts? I've had this discussion in three different states, with double that number of organizations, private, public, and government agencies. The bottom line is that the system is not designed to help those that are ostensibly being helped. Rephrased, it is designed to ensure the highest possible cost, for the lowest quality goods, with no input from those who are supposed to benefit from the services that are allegedly being rendered. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of the universe, from the begining of time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Copying text
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Steps 6 7 were essentially what I was missing. I don't know why I never thought to insert the same field in multiple places. I was too focused on trying to use a reference/cross-reference to it and that just wasn't working. The below (and all the other beneficial tidbits provided by all the kind users here) should be documented in the help files, because finding them in the archives when you need them is quite a bear. On 11/28/2013 02:30 PM, Nino Novak wrote: Am 28.11.2013 22:21, schrieb A: I want to enter text here [xxx] and have it copy that text [here] [here] and [here]. How can I do that? You can e.g. create insert a variable called User Field: 1) Write your text 2) Place Cursor at the desired first occurence of the variable. 3) Insert Fields Other Tab Variables 4) Select Type User Field, Format Text, Name MyName (or similar, some reserved names like Name are not allowed), Value [EDIT ME] 5) Click Insert button (or arrow) but don't close the Field Dialog. 6) Move the cursor to the next occurence of the variable 7) Double click on the variable in the Selection pane to insert a new instance Repeat #6 - 7 until you are done. Save the document. To change the variable's content (= its value) you can double click any one of the instances and edit the Value field in the Field Dialog. If you don't see any, you can play with the toggles in View Field Shadings or View Field Names. HTH Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
On 11/28/2013 07:06 PM, Pedro wrote: Hi Tom Tom wrote 2. The format stays the same between different versions of the program. It is the same format used natively by many other programs such as IBM Lotus Symphony, Google-docs, K.Office, Calligra and others. Even MS Office 2013, and more recent, can open and use the format which is an ISO format. Actually this is not true. The file extension is the same but the format has been changing (that is why you have options to save to ODF 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.2 Extended) If you try to open an ODF 1.2 Extended file more complex than simple text with any other of those programs (even with some older versions of LibreOffice) you will find some incompatibilities... So, I agree with most of your points but this argument is shooting yourself on the foot. ODF does share that problem with MS XML files: same extension, different file structure. The advantage is that you can always get the latest LibreOffice version for free (unlike MS Office...) Cheers, Pedro If you save your file in .doc 1997~2000 (or 1997~2003) every program will be able to open it. Never use .docx. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Hi :) It's amazing that people have to learn how to drive and pass a test. There are so few controls. Usually a wheel or handle-bar or joystick to make the vehicle turn. Something to make it faster or slower. Maybe something to make it go up or down. So at most it's about 3 controls right? Surely that should be even more intuitive or at least easier to spot which control does what. So why all the lessons? It's crazy right? Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 20:59, A publicf...@bak.rr.com wrote: On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze of twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make me lose my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. Also, if Apply Style applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles, why not have it say Apply Paragraph Style so as to make it obvious and avoid the obscurity. Default Formatting could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into separate functions that do one thing each. i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. 3) Remove formatting by character styles. That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. In addition, I do NOT expect Clear formatting to reset the paragraph style to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the formatting just as it implies. I would expect Reset Paragraph Style to Default to reset the paragraph style to default. There's far too much guesswork and intimate knowledge required here. It's all quite NON-obvious. Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. Just my opinions of course. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Hi :) Thanks Pedro :) I am looking for criticism and for other points so that i can write a much shorter and less emotional list and maybe give a link to the White Paper that someone has been writing Regards from Tom :) On 29 November 2013 00:06, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom Tom wrote 2. The format stays the same between different versions of the program. It is the same format used natively by many other programs such as IBM Lotus Symphony, Google-docs, K.Office, Calligra and others. Even MS Office 2013, and more recent, can open and use the format which is an ISO format. Actually this is not true. The file extension is the same but the format has been changing (that is why you have options to save to ODF 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.2 Extended) If you try to open an ODF 1.2 Extended file more complex than simple text with any other of those programs (even with some older versions of LibreOffice) you will find some incompatibilities... So, I agree with most of your points but this argument is shooting yourself on the foot. ODF does share that problem with MS XML files: same extension, different file structure. The advantage is that you can always get the latest LibreOffice version for free (unlike MS Office...) Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-moving-to-new-version-of-MS-Office-tp4085488p4085496.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying text
Hi :) There are many ways. You can even mixmatch. My usual favourite is to select the text with the mouse; (single click at the start or end and then keeping my finger down on the left mouse button drag the mouse arrow until all the text is selected and then release the mouse button) Then push down and hold the Ctrl key with my little finger. While i'm holding that down i press the c key with my middle finger. Ctrl c This naturally positions my index finger to hover just above the v. Without moving the rest of my hand i ease up on the middle finger but leave my little finger pressing down on the Ctrl key. Then i use the mouse to move to the 1st target area and when i get there push down sharply with my index finger and release my index finger quickly so that it's hovering again. Briefly the combination was; Ctrl v bombs away right? Then move swiftly to the 2nd target are and tap the v key again with my little finger not having moved off the Ctrl key the whole time. Repeating the same move over and over until the text i had initially selected has landed in all the right places. Ctrl c = copy and oddly c stands for copy, right? Ctrl v = paste and the v looks a bit like a down arrow Another interesting one is Ctrl x = cut and the x looks a little like a pair of scissors If it goes horribly wrong then Ctrl z = undo Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 21:21, A publicf...@bak.rr.com wrote: I want to enter text here [xxx] and have it copy that text [here] [here] and [here]. How can I do that? Example: Dear Mr. Mrs. [NAME] Our study of the [NAME] dynasty is complete. The [NAME] family has a history going back to the ancient Greeks, where Carlos [NAME] first...blah blah blah. Thank you in advance. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] moving to new version of MS Office
Hi :) I am sick of people going on about MS Office all the time. People ask for a list of reasons why LibreOffice should be considered but are never going to listen to any of the reasons. [This started as a letter to a work-colleague but i think i would get the sack if i sent it.] Here are a few i've noticed ... 1. Each of the following versions/releases are quite different menus from each other 2007, 2010, 2013 and then radically different for 365 All those are radically different from 2003 and prior. Prior to 2003 their menus were all quite similar but now the all new ribbon-bar keeps changing quite a lot. The menus/ribbon-bar is so different between each one that many, perhaps even most, people need re-training between each one. People trained in 2010 often have trouble with 2007, 2013 and can't cope with 365. 'IT Training' organisations have huge books about the different ways of doing things in each version. People trained in 2010 who go on to get an office job might well find they struggle to use whichever other version their new workplace uses. Many of the people doing IT Training are not even looking for work that would involve using desktop computers. They just need to learn just enough to write a CV (which could be done using menus in their own language in LibreOffice rather than first having to learn enough English (US)). 2. Formats are slightly different. From 2010 they open documents from other versions in Compatibility Mode but that doesn't always work. Images get moved or corrupted. Paragraphs sometimes have chunks that are a different font or size. 3. The macro programming language changes between each version so that macros written for 2007 probably wont work in 2010. Sometimes people have to buy a different version of MS Office than they already have, purely to be able to run a particular macro. One of the reasons the macro language keeps being changed is due to it's vulnerability to attacks. Apparently it's fairly easy to add extra code to a macro to execute code, insert trojans, open ports. MS keep trying to make it safer and keep assuring us it is safe now but then another attack reaches the news. Many places lock-down MS Office so that it cannot open or use macros. To move to a newer version of MS Office macros need to be re-written and that might cost time and money. By contrast LibreOffice; 1. keeps the same menu layout for each different version. They just add new features into the existing menus. Retraining might be needed 1 time when people first move to LibreOffice. After that they need no new training between different versions/releases. 2. The format stays the same between different versions of the program. It is the same format used natively by many other programs such as IBM Lotus Symphony, Google-docs, K.Office, Calligra and others. Even MS Office 2013, and more recent, can open and use the format which is an ISO format. 3. Macros can be written in proper programming languages such as C++ or Python but people can use a slightly different version of Basic that is not so vulnerable. Macros are run slightly differently so that they can't cause infections. Often IT training organisations will put months into learning newer versions of MS Office and Windows but not put any time into learning LibreOffice and then grumble that LibreOffice is not identical to MS Office (without stating which version of MS Office they expected it to be similar to. They don't grumble about changes in MS Office and don't expect it to be easy to change versions. Even so, one was able to show me some neat tricks in LibreOffice, that i hadn't realised it could do. Getting into some petty details. LibreOffice; 1. produces better quality Pdfs more easily and gives more options for them (such as loss-less compression instead of creating smudges) 2. handles images more smoothly 3. better quality documents faster and more easily 4. more secure and robust. Even if it does run into troubles it doesn't affect other programs so much. 5. once it's open it's faster 6. works well on much lower spec machines 7. of the 4 main platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux, Bsd) MS office only works on 1, occasionally 2. There wont be a Mac version of 2013. LibreOffice works on all 4. 8. handles a much wider range of formats from other programs including many MS ones that have been dropped by MS. 9. Relatively easily switches between different languages so that non-English speakers can still use it. On Windows you have to struggle to find an appropriate font and regionalisation but on Ubuntu it loads the font when you load the language. 10. if you want changes you can program them or pay for someone locally to do the programming. You do not have to sit back and just hope 1 monolithic organisation takes notice of your own needs. 11. it's a LOT cheaper, especially for individual people (rather than large companies who may end up employing programmers at a fraction the cost
