Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
Hi: It would be about the amount memory assigned in Calc (Menu: Tools- Options - Memory) Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El lun, 04-08-2014 a las 22:25 -0500, Gregory Forster escribió: Hi, I haven't been on this users group for over two years, primarily because everything worked great, until now. I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. Well, it's more annoying than anything else, because I can easily correct it, but it shouldn't be. Calc does weird things now and then. I was creating an elaborate spreadsheet file consisting of 13 worksheets to record my wife's and mine different Roth and Traditional IRAs vested in Mutual Funds. Each worksheet shows the DATE, transaction DESCRIPTION, DEBIT, CREDIT, share PRICE, SHAREs obtained, share BALANCE, $ AMOUNT (share PRICE * share BALANCE), percentage of gain or loss both yearly and per investment, all in separate columns. Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. As I said, these issues are very inconsistent. They may not happen for days, then after a few days, they may happen several times, then intermittent, or not at all. This all started in early July. I ran anti-malware scanners, anti-virus scanners, cleaned the registry, and defragged. I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. I have installed some new software, some with start up files. Those software programs were not really all that important, so I deleted them, the registry entries, and any start up files. However, the IRA spreadsheet file is all done, and I don't know if I'll still have those issue until I start another spreadsheet project. This is all done on an HP Probook 440 G1 14 notebook with a Jan 2014 UEFI, an Intel dual core I3 2.4Ghz Haswell, 4GB DDR3L, and Windows 7 64 bit home premium purchased late last March. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? Does my reasoning sound feasible? Any ideas? Greg --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi, I am just curious when you update your google+ account, because last massege is there from january. Maybe there is some problem with the connection. with the best regards, Tomáš Matýs -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
At 22:25 04/08/2014 -0500, Gregory Forster wrote: I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. [...] Calc does weird things now and then. [...] Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. [...] This all started in early July. [...] I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. What, you mean that LibreOffice - in many different versions - is improperly sharing memory with other programs for you but not for anyone else? And why would that behaviour change in early July? Perhaps you should sack your tech. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? I doubt it - at least, not as a problem with the software. Does my reasoning sound feasible? Nope. Any ideas? If you spend a lot of time on one project or using one application, it is very easy to blame a more general problem with your computer on the particular application. o Try draining the spilt coffee from your keyboard. o Try shaking the biscuit crumbs from your keyboard. o Try poking out the cat hairs from your keyboard. o Try running your computer manufacturer's diagnostics (especially those for the keyboard). o Try attaching an external keyboard and using for a sufficient period to test. o Does your notebook have a trackpad? Is your thumb or palm grazing the trackpad as you move your fingers about? You won't believe this is possible, so get someone else to watch as you use the system for a period. Try temporarily disabling the trackpad or reducing its sensitivity to test. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Sum of multiple cells substring
Hi again,
I modified the formula to suit my spreadsheet to
{=SUM(IF(LEFT(B46:AE46,2)=OT,VALUE(MID(B46:AE46,3,99)),0))}. It works
beautifully but, in some instances it will render an Err:502.
One of said instances is this:
OT8 HF8 OT8 OT2 OT1 OT0,5 OT8 OT8 OT8 OT5 OT6 OT5 OT6
OT5 OT5 OT8 OT5 OT6 OT3 OT8 OT8 OT4 OT8 OT8 OT5 OT1 OT5
OT4 OT8 OT8
Is the HF8 the one to blame?
Thanks again.
El 05/08/2014 a las #4, Brian Barker escribió:
At 17:38 04/08/2014 +0200, Daniel R. Miguel wrote:
I have a table with cells that may contain OTnum, so it might contain
OT0.5, OT1, OT2, OT2.5 et cetera. I would want to sum the number
substring of all the cells in a row, so for example if I have this row:
AlanOT0,5FOT1FVOT2FF VOT3
I would have another column with the total sum of OT:
AlanOT0,5FOT1FVOT2FF VOT3 6,5
(OT3+OT2+OT1+OT0.5)
Suppose those eleven items are cells A1 to K1. In the result cell, enter
=SUM(IF(LEFT(B1:K1,2)=OT,VALUE(MID(B1:K1,3,99)),0))
But don't press Enter or click the green tick mark; instead press
Ctrl+Shift+Enter to render it an array formula. You will see that the
entire formula displayed in the Input Line has been surrounded by
braces - { } - but note that you cannot achieve the same result by
typing these yourself.
You will presumably need to copy this formula down a column. If so,
you appear to be able to achieve the correct result by copying the
formula from the first cell and pasting it into others (even
wholesale) or by using Edit | Fill, but not by dragging the fill handle.
I trust this helps.
Brian Barker
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sum of multiple cells substring
Hello again!
I realized the error was that the decimal point is a , (we are using
Spanish localization), so changing the , for a . decimal point did the
trick.
Once again, thank you a lot.
El 05/08/2014 a las #4, Daniel R. Miguel escribió:
Hi again,
I modified the formula to suit my spreadsheet to
{=SUM(IF(LEFT(B46:AE46,2)=OT,VALUE(MID(B46:AE46,3,99)),0))}. It
works beautifully but, in some instances it will render an Err:502.
One of said instances is this:
OT8 HF8 OT8 OT2 OT1 OT0,5 OT8 OT8 OT8 OT5 OT6 OT5 OT6
OT5 OT5 OT8 OT5 OT6 OT3 OT8 OT8 OT4 OT8 OT8 OT5 OT1
OT5 OT4 OT8 OT8
Is the HF8 the one to blame?
Thanks again.
El 05/08/2014 a las #4, Brian Barker escribió:
At 17:38 04/08/2014 +0200, Daniel R. Miguel wrote:
I have a table with cells that may contain OTnum, so it might
contain OT0.5, OT1, OT2, OT2.5 et cetera. I would want to sum the
number substring of all the cells in a row, so for example if I have
this row:
AlanOT0,5FOT1FVOT2FF V OT3
I would have another column with the total sum of OT:
AlanOT0,5FOT1FVOT2FF V OT3 6,5
(OT3+OT2+OT1+OT0.5)
Suppose those eleven items are cells A1 to K1. In the result cell, enter
=SUM(IF(LEFT(B1:K1,2)=OT,VALUE(MID(B1:K1,3,99)),0))
But don't press Enter or click the green tick mark; instead press
Ctrl+Shift+Enter to render it an array formula. You will see that the
entire formula displayed in the Input Line has been surrounded by
braces - { } - but note that you cannot achieve the same result by
typing these yourself.
You will presumably need to copy this formula down a column. If so,
you appear to be able to achieve the correct result by copying the
formula from the first cell and pasting it into others (even
wholesale) or by using Edit | Fill, but not by dragging the fill handle.
I trust this helps.
Brian Barker
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
Hi :) Perhaps try renaming your User Profile? Sudden change in behavior or weird wonkiness might be down to something going wonky in the User Profile; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Renaming the profile means you can still get back to it if it doesn't fix things so it's a good way to get back to factory defaults. Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 5 August 2014 07:58, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 22:25 04/08/2014 -0500, Gregory Forster wrote: I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. [...] Calc does weird things now and then. [...] Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. [...] This all started in early July. [...] I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. What, you mean that LibreOffice - in many different versions - is improperly sharing memory with other programs for you but not for anyone else? And why would that behaviour change in early July? Perhaps you should sack your tech. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? I doubt it - at least, not as a problem with the software. Does my reasoning sound feasible? Nope. Any ideas? If you spend a lot of time on one project or using one application, it is very easy to blame a more general problem with your computer on the particular application. o Try draining the spilt coffee from your keyboard. o Try shaking the biscuit crumbs from your keyboard. o Try poking out the cat hairs from your keyboard. o Try running your computer manufacturer's diagnostics (especially those for the keyboard). o Try attaching an external keyboard and using for a sufficient period to test. o Does your notebook have a trackpad? Is your thumb or palm grazing the trackpad as you move your fingers about? You won't believe this is possible, so get someone else to watch as you use the system for a period. Try temporarily disabling the trackpad or reducing its sensitivity to test. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions
A database like MySQL and mariadb cache the updates and then write them to disk every 1/2 to full second (or however configured). Seems like a good idea. I wouldn't consider MySQL and its descendents as good references for data integrity. So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to give the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file based, single file or multiple files. That would only confuse most end users. The point is that the developers should make the most reasonable choice - Which is imho obviously to use exclusively an external client-server RDBMS. And since the driver for PostgreSQL already comes with LO that's the best choice. PostgreSQL is legendary for its robustness. Besides shipping with a reasonable default configuration for home use and being perfectly scalable up to a multi-master cluster of mainframes. The developers should rather focus their limited resources on fixing bugs with the Base client side (forms, reports, etc.). Yes, I know that you can link to other back-end db's, but LO Base doesn't create those db's - that has to be done ahead of time by someone that is skilled with the particular db. With PgAdmin (which comes with PostgreSQL) it's as simple as creating a new document with LO. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions
As I recall, at the time of the release of OpenOffice2, it had to be like Access Braindead. - but of course, as Sun was mainly running the show, that meant that it had to be multi-OS, thus Java based Bullshit. There are plenty of cross-platform RDBMSes that are not implemented in this grotesque proprietary abomination that Java is. and a fairly simple, drop-in piece of code with an appropriate licence. One would do well to remember that at the time, the internal Sun Base development team only comprised about 3 members of staff working full-time on the project, thus resources were painfully limited. Just yet another argument in favor of just providing a driver for a client-server RDBMS. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base questions
Op 4 aug. 2014, om 20:23 heeft Jean-Francois Nifenecker het volgende geschreven: Le 04/08/2014 18:59, dave boland a écrit : I'm getting a little confused. My understanding is that there are really two issues here. One is that LO Base is RAM resident - all updates are held in RAM until saved by the user, or the program is closed. Correct? If so, this situation will expose the user to data loss between saves. There are two components here: the DB engine (eg HSQLDB) and the front-end (ie LO-Base). In embedded mode, running Base stats the DB engine and opens the wanted database. In this situation, yes, database updates are set to ram until the database is saved, either voluntarily or when Base is shut down. And yes, any flaw in *any* piece of software running while Base and the DB also run, can create DB loss. It is important to separate embedded and incore. They are completely different things. The important thing is that embedded means that the dbms is not independent of the application... That said, the db crashes when the app crashes and vice versa. So, if a database runs 'as a service', listening to any incoming requests and serving them, then the database is separate. Yes, of course it can crash, but it should be impossible for the user or application to be the cause. Generally, for any dbms it should be top priority to keep data consistent. A dbms should be crash resistant, in that a transaction either is committed or is not, and not in any bogus state in between. In core, on the other hand means that (part of) the data is kept in core. That does not mean the db is not crash resistant, though. Oracle incore database (used to be Times Ten and now an option) does keep the data in core, but saves all change actions in a redo-log. Upon restarting after a crash the redo-log is executed so the database is back in the latest committed state. The same process is used for backup procedures. So, in that case one has the speed of incore, while the persistency of disk based. The other issue is that LO Base uses an embedded database, which means that the data files and the GUI, reports, etc. are combined into one file that can be corrupted. The suggestion is to use a split system where the data files are separate from the other files. Correct? If so, at best, the data may be a little safer, but forms, queries, etc. can still be corrupted. Yes, this is what split-mode is all about. A database like MySQL and mariadb cache the updates and then write them to disk every 1/2 to full second (or however configured). Seems like a good idea. So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to give the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file based, single file or multiple files. Would that be difficult to do? WRT HSQL it's just a couple settings away: (1) in LO global settings (Tools/Options, Advanced page) specify where the external HSQLDB engine is stored (Class Path button) - Add archive: points to the hsqldb.jar - Add Folder: points to the directory where hsqldb.jar is stored (lib dir) Then make sure to check the test button These setings are stored in the user profile /config directory. (2) in Base, DB creation wizard - at step 1 : select JDBC database - at step 2 : specify the DB address settings Datasource URL : hsqldb:file:d:/somedir/mybase/basetest;default_schema=true;shutdown=true;hsqldb.default_table_type=cached;get_column_name=false JDBC Driver class: org.hsqldb.jdbcDriver Test with the Test Class button. These settings are stored in the RegistryModifications.xcu file. To me, the main difficulty lies in the backup of these settings (config dir and RegistryModifications.xcu and the .odb file), so that you may change PC without hassle. Unless I'm missing the obvious, it is not the case currently. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions
Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to give the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file based, single file or multiple files. That would only confuse most end users. Hear, hear. The point is that the developers should make the most reasonable choice This mindset will not help LO broaden its user base. Users (even if most are apparently deemed stupid by some) should be in the driving seat and not some anonymous developers. Pip Coburn writes this about the tech industry: I believe that users are always in charge and that supply is a necessary but not sufficient condition for commercial success. Companies and products geared toward this holistic user orientation will succeed at far greater rates than those stuck in a supplier-oriented mind-set. As far as I'm concerned that hits the nail squarely on the head. And as to confusing users with complex choices... a well-designed system can be simple for simple needs and complex for complex needs. One-size-fits-all rarely fits anyone. IMHO etc. Jon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions
Hi :) +1 I think Base nearly does do the best way around. The only problem is that the easiest thing, the embedded database, is currently dangerously broken. The devs appear to be addressing that although, obviously, they can't fix the whole thing all at one go. The first step seems reasonably well chosen to get the main bulk away from java. I'm sure Java didn't used to be so awful. It seems to have nose-dived since Oracle took over but maybe that is preparation for monetising it and that is a reasonable thing for a profit-making company to want to do. It's like the story of the scorpion and the fox crossing a river. The scorpion stings the fox and as they both sink the fox asks why. The scorpion replies that it's his nature to sting and he can't help it. So can we really blame a profit-making company from attempting to subvert a free product it owns in order to later be able to sell an enterprise or professional version? It's a shame openJava can't escape and gather a huge community as LibreOffice did back when OpenOffice was owned by Oracle. Base currently allows users to start of by using an internal back-end and then move it to an external tool when they are ready. [shrugs] Seems a good plan to me. Regards from Tom :) On 5 August 2014 13:33, Jon Harringdon jonathan.harring...@virgin.net wrote: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to give the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file based, single file or multiple files. That would only confuse most end users. Hear, hear. The point is that the developers should make the most reasonable choice This mindset will not help LO broaden its user base. Users (even if most are apparently deemed stupid by some) should be in the driving seat and not some anonymous developers. Pip Coburn writes this about the tech industry: I believe that users are always in charge and that supply is a necessary but not sufficient condition for commercial success. Companies and products geared toward this holistic user orientation will succeed at far greater rates than those stuck in a supplier-oriented mind-set. As far as I'm concerned that hits the nail squarely on the head. And as to confusing users with complex choices... a well-designed system can be simple for simple needs and complex for complex needs. One-size-fits-all rarely fits anyone. IMHO etc. Jon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions
Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: I think Base nearly does do the best way around. The only problem is that the easiest thing, the embedded database, is currently dangerously broken. The devs appear to be addressing that although, obviously, they can't fix the whole thing all at one go. The first step seems reasonably well chosen to get the main bulk away from java. I'm sure Java didn't used to be so awful. It seems to have nose-dived since Oracle took over but maybe that is preparation for monetising it and that is a reasonable thing for a profit-making company to want to do. My criticism was not at all directed specifically against Base as I don't know the first thing about it. It was rather directed against the idea that developers know better than users. They rarely, if ever, do, IMHO. Users have a zillion creative ways of (mis-)using a product, many of them undreamt-of by its developers. So the more user choice and less developer diktat a product exhibits, the better it is, in general. I avoid Java as much as I possibly can (read: always) but my argument has nothing whatsoever to do with Java. Jon On 5 August 2014 13:33, Jon Harringdon jonathan.harring...@virgin.net wrote: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to give the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file based, single file or multiple files. That would only confuse most end users. Hear, hear. The point is that the developers should make the most reasonable choice This mindset will not help LO broaden its user base. Users (even if most are apparently deemed stupid by some) should be in the driving seat and not some anonymous developers. Pip Coburn writes this about the tech industry: I believe that users are always in charge and that supply is a necessary but not sufficient condition for commercial success. Companies and products geared toward this holistic user orientation will succeed at far greater rates than those stuck in a supplier-oriented mind-set. As far as I'm concerned that hits the nail squarely on the head. And as to confusing users with complex choices... a well-designed system can be simple for simple needs and complex for complex needs. One-size-fits-all rarely fits anyone. IMHO etc. Jon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Schema in Calc
On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 09:45:20 +0200 Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 31/07/2014 00:08, Paul a écrit : Just out of interest, why would a db driver come into play? This is a spreadsheet we're talking about. The mention of db schema was merely to ask why Calc doesn't have something like it. How else would one obtain the schema in the first place ? I believe one of us is misunderstanding things. My understanding is that the OP didn't actually want a database schema, he just wanted something similar for normal spreadsheets. So basically, create normal spreadsheet from scratch, develop it over time to do some fancy calculations on multiple worksheets (or maybe even only one). Then, sometime later, want to make changes, but being unsure of what effects those changes will have in terms of other formulae relying on cells you want to modify, you would like some sort of outline of how all the data in the spreadhseet interacts. At no point in this is a database ever introduced. The word schema makes one think of a database, but I think the OP only used it to say he wanted something like it. He doesn't actually want a database schema. Now for spreadsheets, as they store unstructured data whereas databases store structured data, a schema-like outline would be well-nigh impossible to generate. But some sort of filterable listing of formulae would help a lot with the above scenario, and is what I have proposed. I think this should be a feature request for Calc, personally. Paul -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Schema in Calc
Thank you, Paul. I have followed the convolutions of the discussion with interest but you have more clearly presented what I tried to say in the beginning. After much of the discussion I now see many of the difficulties involved but I will follow your suggestion and see if I can phrase this clearly enough to present it as a Calc feature request. I must express my thanks to all who contributed. It is this type of interaction that can lead to a more useful product. Paddy On 5 August 2014 16:15, Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 09:45:20 +0200 Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 31/07/2014 00:08, Paul a écrit : Just out of interest, why would a db driver come into play? This is a spreadsheet we're talking about. The mention of db schema was merely to ask why Calc doesn't have something like it. How else would one obtain the schema in the first place ? I believe one of us is misunderstanding things. My understanding is that the OP didn't actually want a database schema, he just wanted something similar for normal spreadsheets. So basically, create normal spreadsheet from scratch, develop it over time to do some fancy calculations on multiple worksheets (or maybe even only one). Then, sometime later, want to make changes, but being unsure of what effects those changes will have in terms of other formulae relying on cells you want to modify, you would like some sort of outline of how all the data in the spreadhseet interacts. At no point in this is a database ever introduced. The word schema makes one think of a database, but I think the OP only used it to say he wanted something like it. He doesn't actually want a database schema. Now for spreadsheets, as they store unstructured data whereas databases store structured data, a schema-like outline would be well-nigh impossible to generate. But some sort of filterable listing of formulae would help a lot with the above scenario, and is what I have proposed. I think this should be a feature request for Calc, personally. Paul -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] eWeek.com top stories for today - LO 4.3 is top story
In today's e-newsletter from eWeek.com The TOP STORIES -- August 05, 2014 [listed 5 stories] has a LibreOffice 4.3 story as the top one in their list. The newsletter was actually the eWEEK.com Storage Report e-newsletter, but still it is nice that their top story was about LibreOffice 4.3. LibreOffice 4.3 Office Suite Enhances User Experience http://ct.eweek.com/r/?id=h1b1fe35,90a5294,91953d8dni=151671444rni=24058757p1=08052014 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] question
On 08/05/2014 02:51 AM, Tomáš Matýs wrote: Hi, I am just curious when you update your google+ account, because last massege is there from january. Maybe there is some problem with the connection. with the best regards, Tomáš Matýs Who's google+ account? LibreOffice's or someone else's? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] question
Hello there, On 5 août 2014 17:38:29 CEST, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 08/05/2014 02:51 AM, Tomáš Matýs wrote: Hi, I am just curious when you update your google+ account, because last massege is there from january. Maybe there is some problem with the connection. with the best regards, Tomáš Matýs Who's google+ account? LibreOffice's or someone else's? Several people including me man the page and most of all, the G+ community. What page are you looking at? Best, Charles. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions
On 2014-08-05 06:02:12, Wolfgang Keller wrote: As I recall, at the time of the release of OpenOffice2, it had to be like Access Braindead. - but of course, as Sun was mainly running the show, that meant that it had to be multi-OS, thus Java based Bullshit. There are plenty of cross-platform RDBMSes that are not implemented in this grotesque proprietary abomination that Java is. and a fairly simple, drop-in piece of code with an appropriate licence. One would do well to remember that at the time, the internal Sun Base development team only comprised about 3 members of staff working full-time on the project, thus resources were painfully limited. Just yet another argument in favor of just providing a driver for a client-server RDBMS. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- william w. austin aire...@att.net life is just another phase i'm going through. this time, anyway ... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Schema in Calc
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Paul wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 09:45:20 +0200 Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 31/07/2014 00:08, Paul a écrit : Just out of interest, why would a db driver come into play? This is a spreadsheet we're talking about. The mention of db schema was merely to ask why Calc doesn't have something like it. How else would one obtain the schema in the first place ? I believe one of us is misunderstanding things. My understanding is that the OP didn't actually want a database schema, he just wanted something similar for normal spreadsheets. Actually, the OP (me) started with Calc database because changes are easy. Changes are still under way (field names, new fields, etc.), so I'm using Base to access Calc, which gives me queries. The next step is a real db, but I'm still sorting that out. I'm not interested in RAM-resident, embedded for reasons pointed out in this thread. As the db requirements become more clear (size, number of users, structure), I'll decide. Could it be a future version of Base? Possibly, depending on how it progresses over the rest of the year. I'm looking for robust, good performance, reliable, and stright forward setup (not necessarly easy, but not requiring a db phd). Dave, -- dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
Thank you. Come to think of it, I can switch the touch-pad off. When cells were highlighted, I did alternately keep pressing the shift keys, That cleared that up. This notepad does have a spill resistant keyboard where there is a mylar film under the keys. On 8/5/2014 1:58 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:25 04/08/2014 -0500, Gregory Forster wrote: I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. [...] Calc does weird things now and then. [...] Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. [...] This all started in early July. [...] I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. What, you mean that LibreOffice - in many different versions - is improperly sharing memory with other programs for you but not for anyone else? And why would that behaviour change in early July? Perhaps you should sack your tech. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? I doubt it - at least, not as a problem with the software. Does my reasoning sound feasible? Nope. Any ideas? If you spend a lot of time on one project or using one application, it is very easy to blame a more general problem with your computer on the particular application. o Try draining the spilt coffee from your keyboard. o Try shaking the biscuit crumbs from your keyboard. o Try poking out the cat hairs from your keyboard. o Try running your computer manufacturer's diagnostics (especially those for the keyboard). o Try attaching an external keyboard and using for a sufficient period to test. o Does your notebook have a trackpad? Is your thumb or palm grazing the trackpad as you move your fingers about? You won't believe this is possible, so get someone else to watch as you use the system for a period. Try temporarily disabling the trackpad or reducing its sensitivity to test. I trust this helps. Brian Barker . --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
I played with that also. Thank you. On 8/5/2014 1:32 AM, jorge wrote: Hi: It would be about the amount memory assigned in Calc (Menu: Tools- Options - Memory) Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El lun, 04-08-2014 a las 22:25 -0500, Gregory Forster escribió: Hi, I haven't been on this users group for over two years, primarily because everything worked great, until now. I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. Well, it's more annoying than anything else, because I can easily correct it, but it shouldn't be. Calc does weird things now and then. I was creating an elaborate spreadsheet file consisting of 13 worksheets to record my wife's and mine different Roth and Traditional IRAs vested in Mutual Funds. Each worksheet shows the DATE, transaction DESCRIPTION, DEBIT, CREDIT, share PRICE, SHAREs obtained, share BALANCE, $ AMOUNT (share PRICE * share BALANCE), percentage of gain or loss both yearly and per investment, all in separate columns. Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. As I said, these issues are very inconsistent. They may not happen for days, then after a few days, they may happen several times, then intermittent, or not at all. This all started in early July. I ran anti-malware scanners, anti-virus scanners, cleaned the registry, and defragged. I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. I have installed some new software, some with start up files. Those software programs were not really all that important, so I deleted them, the registry entries, and any start up files. However, the IRA spreadsheet file is all done, and I don't know if I'll still have those issue until I start another spreadsheet project. This is all done on an HP Probook 440 G1 14 notebook with a Jan 2014 UEFI, an Intel dual core I3 2.4Ghz Haswell, 4GB DDR3L, and Windows 7 64 bit home premium purchased late last March. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? Does my reasoning sound feasible? Any ideas? Greg --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
I do use LO on my desktop. However, I do not use it as extensively. My son also has it on his laptop, but does not use it very extensively. Greg On 8/4/2014 11:46 PM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Hi, Le 05/08/2014 05:25, Gregory Forster a écrit : Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. As your problems seem to arise while using the keyboard (the mouse symptom seems related to the shift key being seen as pressed), I'm wondering if your laptop keyboard has no problem. Did you test LO and your spreadsheet on some other hardware? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: the release 4.3 in PPA launchpad
On 08/03/2014 03:27 AM, Lera Goncharuk wrote: В письме от 2 августа 2014 09:57:15 пользователь Kracked_P_P---webmaster написал: On 08/02/2014 06:25 AM, Lera Goncharuk wrote: Hi, The setup from PPA is deemed more important in Ubuntu user community than setup from *.deb files. A lot of people have already gotten used to setup LibreOffice from PPA https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa . But release 4.3 is not available over there up to now. This brings up the question: Will new release be uploaded? And, when it can be expected? As far as I know, Rico Tzschichholz is moderator of the PPA in launchpad.net. Thank you. I had the PPA setup, but I removed it. I prefer to decide which version of LO it have installed. PPAs, like Repositories, seems to make me feel that I am not in control of which version I use. I kept getting the message that I need to update/upgrade to a different version with the PPAs and Repositories seem to, most of the time, remove the version I am using and install an earlier one. Now that I am not upgrading my desktop from Linux Mint 16 to 17, due to a dependency issue that causes two printers not to produce the proper coloring when printing photos and image, I am not getting an updates anymore. So I do not have that problem. For now, I would rather install the exact version of LO via the terminal than use a PPA. That is just my opinion. For many, it is more convenient for the PPAs to do the work for them. So, when I decide to go from 4.2.5 to 4.3.x, I will install it myself. I have not tested 4.3.0.x on any system. I prefer to test it out on a system that is not my production and default one till the version is tested on a Win7 and/or Ubuntu-based boot of my laptop. In my opinion, PPA gives more freedom to install and upgrade, and not only makes installation easier in the system. This can be viewed in the direction apt-get, aptitude and Sinaptic for Deb-based OS. There are excellent articles on their use that enables having the maximum choice in their package system Congrats to the LibbreOffice Packaging team... however the average user on this list should *read* and understand the full contents of the 'PPA description' prior to adding to their sources.list. Examples: quote PPA description LibreOffice test builds and backports ... Most of the packages in this PPA have only experienced minor testing -- in fact it is the place to enable a wider audience to test packages before they are published into the distro proper. In general, this PPA is _not_ for the average user to install without a closer look (if it would be, its packages would be in the main repositories). OTOH, it is _way_ _better_ to use packages from this PPA than using the *.deb files that The Document Foundation provides upstream, which are intentionally build against a very old baseline for maximum compatibility. So, _if_ you want to be on the bleeding edge, do it here, not with upstream *.debs. /quote Also be aware that if you are using Ubuntu 12.04.x (Precise) the PPA contains a slew of additional packages which may, or may not, affect the standard released versions of those packages on your existing system. Sample: accessodf 0.1-4ubuntu1~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (2014-04-05) boost1.54 1.54.0-2ubuntu3~precise1Rico Tzschichholz (2014-02-01) clucene-core2.3.3.4-2~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (2012-09-01) dh-exec 0.12~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (2014-02-01) dh-python 1.20140128-1ubuntu8~ctools1 Scott Moser (3 hours ago) doxygen 1.8.7-2~precise1Rico Tzschichholz (3 hours ago) glew1.10.0-3~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (3 hours ago) graphite2 1.2.4-1ubuntu1~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (2014-02-01) Disclaimer: I've nothing against using the PPA - I have not as I install the .deb packages directly from LO instead. management. However, this topic is not for this list, but for a discussion in an user community of particular OS. You've brought up the question regarding the PPA here instead of asking at: For questions and bugs with software in this PPA please contact LibreOffice Packaging. https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice https://answers.launchpad.net/~libreoffice Questions for LibreOffice Packaging “LibreOffice Packaging” team Questions So I think it worthwhile to point out the PPA (Personal Package Archive) 'heads-up' here. Meanwhile, LO 4.3 realise is in the PPA now https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-4-3 Thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [ODF 1.2 compatibility] Re: UK Government adopts Open Document Format
On 08/04/2014 01:21 AM, Andrew Beverley wrote: Following on from previous threads, this is good news for LibreOffice: Government documents will use what are known as open standards for document formats. Word processor files will be saved with “.odt” suffixes, rather than “.doc”. https://gds.blog.gov.uk/2014/07/22/making-things-open-making-things-better/ Wow! Excellent stuff. Now for an LO user specific question... https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/open-standards-for-government/sharing-or-collaborating-with-government-documents states that ODF 1.2 is prefered and will be used ( also see: http://standards.data.gov.uk/meeting/technical-standards-panel-meeting-17-march-2014 ). So LO 4.1 default is set to ODF 1.2 Extended (recommened), however there are these ODF 1.2 options to choose from (Tools|Options|Load/Save|General[Default file format and ODF settings]): ODF 1.2 ODF 1.2 Extended (compat mode) ODF 1.2 Extended (recommened) Does anyone know: 1. What the difference is between 'ODF 1.2 Extended (compat mode)' and 'ODF 1.2 Extended (recommened)'? 2. If using 'ODF 1.2 Extended (recommened)' will cause issues with the UK Gov 'ODF 1.2'? Where is Dennis E. Hamilton when you need him? :-) http://orcmid.com/blog/2010/02/worst-nightmare-opendocument-format.asp -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions
Le 05/08/2014 12:02, Wolfgang Keller a écrit : Bullshit. There are plenty of cross-platform RDBMSes that are not implemented in this grotesque proprietary abomination that Java is. My comment, or Sun's decision ? How many of those cross-platform RDBMs were : - available in 2004 (when the decision was made to upgrade the OOo1 Base iteration to something new) ? - didn't require masses of developer investment time and resources to integrate into the codebase ? - ran on OSX, Windows and Linux ? - weren't Java based ? - could be made to run in a single file and be portable across various OSes ? Personally, I always regretted the demise of the way database functionality was set up in OOo1. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: the release 4.3 in PPA launchpad
Hi :) Thats an interesting list of add-ons/Extensions or additional packages. Is there any easy clue as to what they do? I personally suspect they do add something positive to LibreOffice and might consider adding them to my upstream install of LO. Regards from Tom :) On 5 August 2014 20:12, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 08/03/2014 03:27 AM, Lera Goncharuk wrote: В письме от 2 августа 2014 09:57:15 пользователь Kracked_P_P---webmaster написал: On 08/02/2014 06:25 AM, Lera Goncharuk wrote: Hi, The setup from PPA is deemed more important in Ubuntu user community than setup from *.deb files. A lot of people have already gotten used to setup LibreOffice from PPA https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa . But release 4.3 is not available over there up to now. This brings up the question: Will new release be uploaded? And, when it can be expected? As far as I know, Rico Tzschichholz is moderator of the PPA in launchpad.net. Thank you. I had the PPA setup, but I removed it. I prefer to decide which version of LO it have installed. PPAs, like Repositories, seems to make me feel that I am not in control of which version I use. I kept getting the message that I need to update/upgrade to a different version with the PPAs and Repositories seem to, most of the time, remove the version I am using and install an earlier one. Now that I am not upgrading my desktop from Linux Mint 16 to 17, due to a dependency issue that causes two printers not to produce the proper coloring when printing photos and image, I am not getting an updates anymore. So I do not have that problem. For now, I would rather install the exact version of LO via the terminal than use a PPA. That is just my opinion. For many, it is more convenient for the PPAs to do the work for them. So, when I decide to go from 4.2.5 to 4.3.x, I will install it myself. I have not tested 4.3.0.x on any system. I prefer to test it out on a system that is not my production and default one till the version is tested on a Win7 and/or Ubuntu-based boot of my laptop. In my opinion, PPA gives more freedom to install and upgrade, and not only makes installation easier in the system. This can be viewed in the direction apt-get, aptitude and Sinaptic for Deb-based OS. There are excellent articles on their use that enables having the maximum choice in their package system Congrats to the LibbreOffice Packaging team... however the average user on this list should *read* and understand the full contents of the 'PPA description' prior to adding to their sources.list. Examples: quote PPA description LibreOffice test builds and backports ... Most of the packages in this PPA have only experienced minor testing -- in fact it is the place to enable a wider audience to test packages before they are published into the distro proper. In general, this PPA is _not_ for the average user to install without a closer look (if it would be, its packages would be in the main repositories). OTOH, it is _way_ _better_ to use packages from this PPA than using the *.deb files that The Document Foundation provides upstream, which are intentionally build against a very old baseline for maximum compatibility. So, _if_ you want to be on the bleeding edge, do it here, not with upstream *.debs. /quote Also be aware that if you are using Ubuntu 12.04.x (Precise) the PPA contains a slew of additional packages which may, or may not, affect the standard released versions of those packages on your existing system. Sample: accessodf 0.1-4ubuntu1~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (2014-04-05) boost1.54 1.54.0-2ubuntu3~precise1Rico Tzschichholz (2014-02-01) clucene-core2.3.3.4-2~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (2012-09-01) dh-exec 0.12~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (2014-02-01) dh-python 1.20140128-1ubuntu8~ctools1 Scott Moser (3 hours ago) doxygen 1.8.7-2~precise1Rico Tzschichholz (3 hours ago) glew1.10.0-3~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (3 hours ago) graphite2 1.2.4-1ubuntu1~precise1 Rico Tzschichholz (2014-02-01) Disclaimer: I've nothing against using the PPA - I have not as I install the .deb packages directly from LO instead. management. However, this topic is not for this list, but for a discussion in an user community of particular OS. You've brought up the question regarding the PPA here instead of asking at: For questions and bugs with software in this PPA please contact LibreOffice Packaging. https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice https://answers.launchpad.net/~libreoffice Questions for LibreOffice Packaging “LibreOffice Packaging” team Questions So I think it worthwhile to point out the PPA (Personal Package Archive) 'heads-up' here. Meanwhile, LO 4.3 realise is in the PPA now
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
Hi :) A Reply to all goes to the whole mailing list and can cover multiple issues. I'm glad to hear that playing with the keys did the trick! Fantastic answer! I'm not on the GnuCash mailing list. Well, i might have posted once or twice several years ago but i doubt that is remembered! Still it's good to be reminded that there LibreOffice fits neatly into a wider eco-system of office apps. Renaming the User Profile is marginally better than deleting it. It means you can easily return things to the way they were. It's a good plan to create a copy of a User Profile that does work so that if trouble strikes then you have a back-up that you can return to! (i rarely remember until after it's too late) Anyway congrats on success with the ingenious answer! Regards from Tom :) On 5 August 2014 18:02, Gregory Forster fgre...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Come to think of it, I can switch the touch-pad off. When cells were highlighted, I did alternately keep pressing the shift keys, That cleared that up. This notepad does have a spill resistant keyboard where there is a mylar film under the keys. On 8/5/2014 1:58 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:25 04/08/2014 -0500, Gregory Forster wrote: I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. [...] Calc does weird things now and then. [...] Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. [...] This all started in early July. [...] I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. What, you mean that LibreOffice - in many different versions - is improperly sharing memory with other programs for you but not for anyone else? And why would that behaviour change in early July? Perhaps you should sack your tech. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? I doubt it - at least, not as a problem with the software. Does my reasoning sound feasible? Nope. Any ideas? If you spend a lot of time on one project or using one application, it is very easy to blame a more general problem with your computer on the particular application. o Try draining the spilt coffee from your keyboard. o Try shaking the biscuit crumbs from your keyboard. o Try poking out the cat hairs from your keyboard. o Try running your computer manufacturer's diagnostics (especially those for the keyboard). o Try attaching an external keyboard and using for a sufficient period to test. o Does your notebook have a trackpad? Is your thumb or palm grazing the trackpad as you move your fingers about? You won't believe this is possible, so get someone else to watch as you use the system for a period. Try temporarily disabling the trackpad or reducing its sensitivity to test. I trust this helps. Brian Barker . --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
Thanks Tom, Actually, I deleted the user profile a few times and started over from scratch. BTW, are you the same that's on the Gnucash usergroup emails now and then? Greg On 8/5/2014 3:35 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps try renaming your User Profile? Sudden change in behavior or weird wonkiness might be down to something going wonky in the User Profile; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Renaming the profile means you can still get back to it if it doesn't fix things so it's a good way to get back to factory defaults. Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 5 August 2014 07:58, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com mailto:b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 22:25 04/08/2014 -0500, Gregory Forster wrote: I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. [...] Calc does weird things now and then. [...] Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. [...] This all started in early July. [...] I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. What, you mean that LibreOffice - in many different versions - is improperly sharing memory with other programs for you but not for anyone else? And why would that behaviour change in early July? Perhaps you should sack your tech. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? I doubt it - at least, not as a problem with the software. Does my reasoning sound feasible? Nope. Any ideas? If you spend a lot of time on one project or using one application, it is very easy to blame a more general problem with your computer on the particular application. o Try draining the spilt coffee from your keyboard. o Try shaking the biscuit crumbs from your keyboard. o Try poking out the cat hairs from your keyboard. o Try running your computer manufacturer's diagnostics (especially those for the keyboard). o Try attaching an external keyboard and using for a sufficient period to test. o Does your notebook have a trackpad? Is your thumb or palm grazing the trackpad as you move your fingers about? You won't believe this is possible, so get someone else to watch as you use the system for a period. Try temporarily disabling the trackpad or reducing its sensitivity to test. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
Woops, I meant to click the spell-check and not the send. That all explains well for the unexplained highlighting, but what about the random ;6 (semi-colon and the number six) at times, or the random : (colon) at times, replacing cell contents by just pressing a directional arrow key. That, I can't figure out. No, I won't sack my tech (he's my son - we work together). It ONLY happens with LO Calc, not Impress, or Writer, or Base, or any other program. In fact, I extensively use Gnucash. I am the Treasurer, Financial Accountant and do the payroll for church and also use Gnucash for personal finance records - No problems. However, you did give me ideas and reminders. I've always been very passionate about backups and keeping your hard drive clean from malware, viruses, rootkits, etc. of which we also nag our clients about.. I forgot about keeping the keyboard clean. Thank you. Greg On 8/5/2014 1:58 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:25 04/08/2014 -0500, Gregory Forster wrote: I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. [...] Calc does weird things now and then. [...] Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. [...] This all started in early July. [...] I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. What, you mean that LibreOffice - in many different versions - is improperly sharing memory with other programs for you but not for anyone else? And why would that behaviour change in early July? Perhaps you should sack your tech. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? I doubt it - at least, not as a problem with the software. Does my reasoning sound feasible? Nope. Any ideas? If you spend a lot of time on one project or using one application, it is very easy to blame a more general problem with your computer on the particular application. o Try draining the spilt coffee from your keyboard. o Try shaking the biscuit crumbs from your keyboard. o Try poking out the cat hairs from your keyboard. o Try running your computer manufacturer's diagnostics (especially those for the keyboard). o Try attaching an external keyboard and using for a sufficient period to test. o Does your notebook have a trackpad? Is your thumb or palm grazing the trackpad as you move your fingers about? You won't believe this is possible, so get someone else to watch as you use the system for a period. Try temporarily disabling the trackpad or reducing its sensitivity to test. I trust this helps. Brian Barker . --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?
It is of my opinion that you should stick with the standards. What is wrong with calling the newest possible stable version Release Candidate, the proven stable version Stable, the unstable beta-tester version Beta? It makes absolutely no sense to me to be different just for the sake of being different. Is not Libre Office already different? Yes, it is a fork from OpenOffice.org, but you are still different. Stick with the standards. This fresh and still horse hoowhee is just that, a big pile of horse hoowhee. As NoOp said, most of you open source developers already make the download page confusing enough without confusing it even further with the horse hoowhee. Just stick with what almost everyone already knows. Quit trying to be new and gritty. It just shows me your stupidity instead of your intelligence. rmfr -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Still-tp4117297p4117877.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions
Hi :) I was kinda agreeing with you, hence the +1. I think people kinda understood what you meant and i suspect other people agree with you too. The devs sometimes have great plans and good ideas and then users do some crazy things. It's difficult to anticipate what users will find difficult and what is going to be easier for them to understand. I've really enjoyed this thread. Some amusing and enlightening posts. Thanks and regards from On 5 August 2014 14:56, Jon Harringdon jonathan.harring...@virgin.net wrote: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: I think Base nearly does do the best way around. The only problem is that the easiest thing, the embedded database, is currently dangerously broken. The devs appear to be addressing that although, obviously, they can't fix the whole thing all at one go. The first step seems reasonably well chosen to get the main bulk away from java. I'm sure Java didn't used to be so awful. It seems to have nose-dived since Oracle took over but maybe that is preparation for monetising it and that is a reasonable thing for a profit-making company to want to do. My criticism was not at all directed specifically against Base as I don't know the first thing about it. It was rather directed against the idea that developers know better than users. They rarely, if ever, do, IMHO. Users have a zillion creative ways of (mis-)using a product, many of them undreamt-of by its developers. So the more user choice and less developer diktat a product exhibits, the better it is, in general. I avoid Java as much as I possibly can (read: always) but my argument has nothing whatsoever to do with Java. Jon On 5 August 2014 13:33, Jon Harringdon jonathan.harring...@virgin.net wrote: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to give the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file based, single file or multiple files. That would only confuse most end users. Hear, hear. The point is that the developers should make the most reasonable choice This mindset will not help LO broaden its user base. Users (even if most are apparently deemed stupid by some) should be in the driving seat and not some anonymous developers. Pip Coburn writes this about the tech industry: I believe that users are always in charge and that supply is a necessary but not sufficient condition for commercial success. Companies and products geared toward this holistic user orientation will succeed at far greater rates than those stuck in a supplier-oriented mind-set. As far as I'm concerned that hits the nail squarely on the head. And as to confusing users with complex choices... a well-designed system can be simple for simple needs and complex for complex needs. One-size-fits-all rarely fits anyone. IMHO etc. Jon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
Hi Tom:) I was so sure you were on the Gnucash site, oh well. I don't know anymore weird things are still going on. My elaborate spreadsheet is complete. I'll just have to wait to do another fancy spreadsheet. However, I DID vacuum, with brush, my keyboard. Greg On 8/5/2014 5:14 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think the comment about sacking your tech support was meant as a joke. I think we kinda assume people who reach this mailing-list probably ARE the tech support. I'm sure everyone makes amusing blunders at times. Easier to laugh about it after recovery! Wrt keyboards i can never figure out why so many paper-clips still getting trapped in there when i haven't even used any in about 10 years. Maybe my coat-hangers regress into paper-clips as i never have enough of them. Is there still a problem with some weird things still going on? It sounded like you had solved the issues .. Regards from Tom :) On 5 August 2014 18:22, Gregory Forster fgre...@gmail.com mailto:fgre...@gmail.com wrote: Woops, I meant to click the spell-check and not the send. That all explains well for the unexplained highlighting, but what about the random ;6 (semi-colon and the number six) at times, or the random : (colon) at times, replacing cell contents by just pressing a directional arrow key. That, I can't figure out. No, I won't sack my tech (he's my son - we work together). It ONLY happens with LO Calc, not Impress, or Writer, or Base, or any other program. In fact, I extensively use Gnucash. I am the Treasurer, Financial Accountant and do the payroll for church and also use Gnucash for personal finance records - No problems. However, you did give me ideas and reminders. I've always been very passionate about backups and keeping your hard drive clean from malware, viruses, rootkits, etc. of which we also nag our clients about.. I forgot about keeping the keyboard clean. Thank you. Greg On 8/5/2014 1:58 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:25 04/08/2014 -0500, Gregory Forster wrote: I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. [...] Calc does weird things now and then. [...] Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. [...] This all started in early July. [...] I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. What, you mean that LibreOffice - in many different versions - is improperly sharing memory with other programs for you but not for anyone else? And why would that behaviour change in early July? Perhaps you should sack your tech. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? I doubt it - at least, not as a problem with the software. Does my reasoning sound feasible? Nope. Any ideas? If you spend a lot of time on one project or using one application, it is very easy to blame a more general problem with your computer on the particular application. o Try draining the spilt coffee from your keyboard. o Try shaking the biscuit crumbs from your keyboard. o Try poking out the cat hairs from your keyboard. o Try running your computer manufacturer's diagnostics (especially those for the keyboard). o Try attaching an external keyboard and using for a sufficient period to test. o Does your notebook have a trackpad? Is your thumb or palm grazing the trackpad as you move your fingers about? You won't believe this is possible, so get someone else to watch as you use the system for a period. Try temporarily disabling the trackpad or reducing its sensitivity to test. I trust this helps. Brian Barker . --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Intermittent Calc Issues
Hi :) I think the comment about sacking your tech support was meant as a joke. I think we kinda assume people who reach this mailing-list probably ARE the tech support. I'm sure everyone makes amusing blunders at times. Easier to laugh about it after recovery! Wrt keyboards i can never figure out why so many paper-clips still getting trapped in there when i haven't even used any in about 10 years. Maybe my coat-hangers regress into paper-clips as i never have enough of them. Is there still a problem with some weird things still going on? It sounded like you had solved the issues .. Regards from Tom :) On 5 August 2014 18:22, Gregory Forster fgre...@gmail.com wrote: Woops, I meant to click the spell-check and not the send. That all explains well for the unexplained highlighting, but what about the random ;6 (semi-colon and the number six) at times, or the random : (colon) at times, replacing cell contents by just pressing a directional arrow key. That, I can't figure out. No, I won't sack my tech (he's my son - we work together). It ONLY happens with LO Calc, not Impress, or Writer, or Base, or any other program. In fact, I extensively use Gnucash. I am the Treasurer, Financial Accountant and do the payroll for church and also use Gnucash for personal finance records - No problems. However, you did give me ideas and reminders. I've always been very passionate about backups and keeping your hard drive clean from malware, viruses, rootkits, etc. of which we also nag our clients about.. I forgot about keeping the keyboard clean. Thank you. Greg On 8/5/2014 1:58 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:25 04/08/2014 -0500, Gregory Forster wrote: I have an inconsistent and not often issue with Calc. [...] Calc does weird things now and then. [...] Sometimes, I complete a calculation in a cell, and press the Enter or Down Arrow key. My calculation will disappear and a ;6 will appear in the cell. Or I may randomly highlight a cell to check a formula, then when I press a directional arrow, my calculation will disappear and a : will reside in that cell. Sometimes, I'll just move an arrow key, or the mouse to move from one cell to another and wherever I move will highlight as if I was holding down the Shift key. [...] This all started in early July. [...] I changed different versions of LibreOffice (vs 4). I have LO 4.3.0, 4.2.5, 4.2.2, 4.1.4, 4.1.3, 4.1.2, and 4.0.3 (which I am currently using). I still had the same issues with whichever version used. I discussed the issues and history with another tech and he reasoned (the same as I) that LO was having memory conflict issues with one or more simultaneous running programs. What, you mean that LibreOffice - in many different versions - is improperly sharing memory with other programs for you but not for anyone else? And why would that behaviour change in early July? Perhaps you should sack your tech. My questions are: Has anyone else experienced the same? I doubt it - at least, not as a problem with the software. Does my reasoning sound feasible? Nope. Any ideas? If you spend a lot of time on one project or using one application, it is very easy to blame a more general problem with your computer on the particular application. o Try draining the spilt coffee from your keyboard. o Try shaking the biscuit crumbs from your keyboard. o Try poking out the cat hairs from your keyboard. o Try running your computer manufacturer's diagnostics (especially those for the keyboard). o Try attaching an external keyboard and using for a sufficient period to test. o Does your notebook have a trackpad? Is your thumb or palm grazing the trackpad as you move your fingers about? You won't believe this is possible, so get someone else to watch as you use the system for a period. Try temporarily disabling the trackpad or reducing its sensitivity to test. I trust this helps. Brian Barker . --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?
+1 On Aug 5, 2014 6:42 PM, arakish rmfrun...@gmail.com wrote: It is of my opinion that you should stick with the standards. What is wrong with calling the newest possible stable version Release Candidate, the proven stable version Stable, the unstable beta-tester version Beta? It makes absolutely no sense to me to be different just for the sake of being different. Is not Libre Office already different? Yes, it is a fork from OpenOffice.org, but you are still different. Stick with the standards. This fresh and still horse hoowhee is just that, a big pile of horse hoowhee. As NoOp said, most of you open source developers already make the download page confusing enough without confusing it even further with the horse hoowhee. Just stick with what almost everyone already knows. Quit trying to be new and gritty. It just shows me your stupidity instead of your intelligence. rmfr -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Still-tp4117297p4117877.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?
Hi, The problem we have: We do not have one release branch as Firefox has, we have two... Users should use and find bugs on the Fresh version in order to make thee fresh, which will be renamed to stable after 6M. So how to say you can use the feature packed fresh? It is not an RC it is an tested final release So yes, we have a different model, so we need different names then the standard :) On 06. August 2014 06:47:59 MESZ, J. Van Brimmer jerry...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Aug 5, 2014 6:42 PM, arakish rmfrun...@gmail.com wrote: It is of my opinion that you should stick with the standards. What is wrong with calling the newest possible stable version Release Candidate, the proven stable version Stable, the unstable beta-tester version Beta? It makes absolutely no sense to me to be different just for the sake of being different. Is not Libre Office already different? Yes, it is a fork from OpenOffice.org, but you are still different. Stick with the standards. This fresh and still horse hoowhee is just that, a big pile of horse hoowhee. As NoOp said, most of you open source developers already make the download page confusing enough without confusing it even further with the horse hoowhee. Just stick with what almost everyone already knows. Quit trying to be new and gritty. It just shows me your stupidity instead of your intelligence. rmfr -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Still-tp4117297p4117877.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?
Thoroughly agree! +1 jdh On 08/06/2014 06:47 AM, J. Van Brimmer wrote: +1 On Aug 5, 2014 6:42 PM, arakish rmfrun...@gmail.com wrote: It is of my opinion that you should stick with the standards. What is wrong with calling the newest possible stable version Release Candidate, the proven stable version Stable, the unstable beta-tester version Beta? It makes absolutely no sense to me to be different just for the sake of being different. Is not Libre Office already different? Yes, it is a fork from OpenOffice.org, but you are still different. Stick with the standards. This fresh and still horse hoowhee is just that, a big pile of horse hoowhee. As NoOp said, most of you open source developers already make the download page confusing enough without confusing it even further with the horse hoowhee. Just stick with what almost everyone already knows. Quit trying to be new and gritty. It just shows me your stupidity instead of your intelligence. rmfr -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Still-tp4117297p4117877.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?
Florian Reisinger wrote on 8/6/2014 1:22 AM: Hi, The problem we have: We do not have one release branch as Firefox has, we have two... Users should use and find bugs on the Fresh version in order to make thee fresh, which will be renamed to stable after 6M. So how to say you can use the feature packed fresh? It is not an RC it is an tested final release So yes, we have a different model, so we need different names then the standard :) What are the differences between the two branches? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
