[libreoffice-users] line spacing with upgrade.

[Steve Edmonds]

Hi.
I just updated from 5.0 to 5.2 and text that fitted on one page in 5.0 
now flows onto a second page.
I can see visible creep down the page (against that produced in 5.0) 
when I line up against some images. The text is in default style.

What happens if the default style changes slightly between LO releases.
Should I always be using a custom style to preserve layout.
steve


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office and MS Word compatibility query

[toki]

On 17/10/2016 14:23, Tanstaafl wrote:

> By all means, please provide an example of something that could cause this...

I don't have any examples that can be publicly distributed.

> But we are not talking about 10 years ago and a brand new file format.

I'm talking about documents created with MSO 2016, on Win 10, not
Microsoft Office Professional on W4WG, which had the same issues.

> remotely close to the show stopper problem the OP claimed.

When people can look at the print out of a document (^1), and tell which
version, edition, and locale of Microsoft Office, and which version,
locale, and edition of Microsoft Windows were used, there are format
compatibility issues. What they are looking at is the typography, not
the font, and definitely not the typeface.

^1: This happens with a no longer distributed template that had an MSRP
of US$500.

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

[Robert Großkopf]

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Hi Ken,
> 
>> Once the form is created, and the info in the form is write
>> protected, save the file.  The mark the file as read only.  I
>> think that will force a name change when you try to save it.

I have just used *.pdf-forms for my children. Had to fill in all data,
had to save it, had to change it ... I could always write the new form
data over the old form data and the new form data would be saved. The
old data had been gone, if I won't chose "Copy save as", but only
"Save as".

I have created an example how to do this job with a Writer-file:
http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/download/Formular_ohne_DB.odt

It's in German language, but there is not much special German content.

You have to enable macro-executing for this file. The form should be
opened as write-protected. You could also write-protect it through
your system.

Fill in some content. If you press "Speichern" the file will be saved
as a *.pdf in the same directory as "Formular_ohne_DB.odt". The *.pdf
will be saved without a working form, so the content is (a little bit)
protected. The name of the file will be created from the field
"Vorname". Best would be the name is created in a database by an ID,
which is unique. So the exported files will all get different names.

Regards

Robert
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

[Ken Springer]

On 10/17/16 9:53 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote:

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Hi *,


So what I need, as I said in the original post, is a document
that will be "locked", but you can still complete the fields.
When that is accomplished, the file will be marked read only so
when it's saved with new information, a new filename will be
required.


I always use PDF fillable forms for this kind of thing...


Think this won't work. PDF-form-document could be saved more than one
times with the same name. The saving of the form must create a new
document, for example a *.pdf-file without form-elements.


Once the form is created, and the info in the form is write protected, 
save the file.  The mark the file as read only.  I think that will force 
a name change when you try to save it.



I would prefer a Wrtier-form-document, which should be
write-protected. You could write in the form-elements of the form, but
couldn't change it except you will save it as a new form with a new
name. If the form is filled a button should be pressed - the content
should be exported with macro to a separate *.pdf-document. Have made
something like this for the German Base-Handbook with reports of a
Base-document.

Regards

Robert

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Exporting a PDF file with fill in fields

[Ken Springer]

For now, I'm giving up on the PDF file.  Out of time.

The ODT file is usable, but not what is desired.

On 10/13/16 3:09 PM, anne-ology wrote:

   Click on the menu options ... scroll to 'save as' (if you wish it
saved on your machine)
  or 'send as' ->then your e-program should open ...
 if it doesn't, then open your e-program & either send the document
or the link to the document (if uploaded to one of these 'clouds' for that
purpose) to whomever.



From: Ken Springer 
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:13 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Exporting a PDF file with fill in fields
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


I've just posted a message about document protection.

After I've got the document protection the way I wish, how do I export that
document as a PDF and retain the ability to have the fill in fields?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

[Robert Großkopf]

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Hi *,
>> 
>> So what I need, as I said in the original post, is a document
>> that will be "locked", but you can still complete the fields.
>> When that is accomplished, the file will be marked read only so
>> when it's saved with new information, a new filename will be
>> required.
> 
> I always use PDF fillable forms for this kind of thing...
> 
Think this won't work. PDF-form-document could be saved more than one
times with the same name. The saving of the form must create a new
document, for example a *.pdf-file without form-elements.

I would prefer a Wrtier-form-document, which should be
write-protected. You could write in the form-elements of the form, but
couldn't change it except you will save it as a new form with a new
name. If the form is filled a button should be pressed - the content
should be exported with macro to a separate *.pdf-document. Have made
something like this for the German Base-Handbook with reports of a
Base-document.

Regards

Robert

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office and MS Word compatibility query

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 10/17/2016 10:23 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 10/17/2016 10:14 AM, Cley Faye  wrote:

2016-10-17 16:07 GMT+02:00 Tanstaafl :

On 10/15/2016 7:02 AM, toki  wrote:

For my part, I point blank refuse to use MS Word (any version), because
it is completely, utterly and absolutely incompatible with itself (the
same version but on a different computer)--- to the point that they
might as well have been written by two different companies, with
different development teams.

While I would agree there can be problems - sometimes big ones, between
*different* versions of Word (or Excel or Powerpoint), I call BS on your
the above. It simply is not true.

FUD like this does nothing to help with the spread of open file formats.

​While the initial statement is exaggerated,

It is MUCH more than just exaggerated...


moving a file between two computers using the same version of MSO
can produce different results, with no obvious reasons. Of course
after digging enough an explanation can be found,

By all means, please provide an example of something that could cause
this...

Maybe differing versions of VSC++, but I can't think of much else.


but I've seen it happen often enough to be noticeable. This was in
the beginning of the docx format, but I would not be surprised if things
didn't change much in it's ~10 years of existence.

Well, yes, sure, when a new file format is introduced there are a lot of
things that can happen.

But we are not talking about 10 years ago and a brand new file format.
We're talking about now - and I'd include the *recent* past (say, 2-4
years).

I'm not saying it can not ever happen, I'm saying that it isn't even
remotely close to the show stopper problem the OP claimed.

As I kept reading these posting, I wonder about how deeply to you want 
to go with the "compatibility" between LibreOffice and the various 
versions of Word?  Sure there are issues with the .docx format between 
different versions of Word, but there are issues with early versions of 
LO as well.  As the developers work on the input/output filters for LO 
to deal with .docx files, LO is getting better at dealing with the file 
format. Yes there will be some problems using .docx between LO and Word, 
but as this thread clearly states, even between version of Word there 
are problems.


My solution tends to be "old school", since I prefer to use .doc files 
between LO and the various version of Word that are used by those who 
send me documents or receive them from me.  So far, I have not come 
across any documents that "need" the .docx format.  Sure there are those 
who need it to do more complex documents, but I prefer not to do them.  
If I have to create more complex documents, I tend to send the document 
to others via a PDF file.  9 time out of 10 I do not need to deal with 
multiple packages and multiple people when creating my more complex 
documents.



SO, with that said, how deeply do we want to go into compatibility 
issues?  We can nick-pick all of the little issues that require very 
specific situations, or we can just make a list, with document examples, 
of all these issues and let them work on modifying the input/output 
filters.


Also, I must ask again what makes a package to become a "show stopper".  
Yes it may be depend on who/why people are using LO for their work, but 
it would be nice to be able to rate how much the issues are considered 
as a "show stopper".



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

[anne-ology]

   Hopefully, someone(s) will respond who will be able to help -

  & I hope the response will be on-list, because I'd be interested
in hearing the outcome,



From: Ken Springer 
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:48 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Sorry for the late reply, anne-ology, I haven't been able to get back to
this.

This is an internal use document only, so once it is finished, there will
be no need to change the document, unless some needed modification is
discovered later.

The fill in fields will be populated with information that changes with
each ticket in our work order system.  I'm trying to prevent the form from
becoming mangled unintentionally.

So what I need, as I said in the original post, is a document that will be
"locked", but you can still complete the fields.  When that is
accomplished, the file will be marked read only so when it's saved with new
information, a new filename will be required.




On 10/13/16 3:03 PM, anne-ology wrote:

   You could add a password which should lock the document;
>   then when the receiver reads the document, he should be able to
> copy it to his machine, make any additions & send back to you;
>  then you can make the changes to the table & re-send/upload.
>
>I don't know the details as to how this would work;
>   whenever I upload anything, I always click on 'only those with
> the link' can open which keeps prying roving eyes from seeing.
>
>Hoping this helps to some degree,
>
>
>
> From: Ken Springer 
> Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:11 PM
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Document protection
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>
>
> Windows 7 Ultimate
> LO 5.1.5.2
>
> I've created a document with a simple table.  In one column, each cell
> contains a fill in field.
>
> I want to protect the entire document from changes *except* the fields.
>
> How can I do this?  I haven't found a way up to now.
>
> Incidentally, the help file for cell protection does not match the program.
>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/17/2016 10:48 AM, Ken Springer  wrote:
> Sorry for the late reply, anne-ology, I haven't been able to get back to 
> this.
> 
> This is an internal use document only, so once it is finished, there 
> will be no need to change the document, unless some needed modification 
> is discovered later.
> 
> The fill in fields will be populated with information that changes with 
> each ticket in our work order system.  I'm trying to prevent the form 
> from becoming mangled unintentionally.
> 
> So what I need, as I said in the original post, is a document that will 
> be "locked", but you can still complete the fields.  When that is 
> accomplished, the file will be marked read only so when it's saved with 
> new information, a new filename will be required.

I always use PDF fillable forms for this kind of thing...

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Document protection

[Ken Springer]

Sorry for the late reply, anne-ology, I haven't been able to get back to 
this.


This is an internal use document only, so once it is finished, there 
will be no need to change the document, unless some needed modification 
is discovered later.


The fill in fields will be populated with information that changes with 
each ticket in our work order system.  I'm trying to prevent the form 
from becoming mangled unintentionally.


So what I need, as I said in the original post, is a document that will 
be "locked", but you can still complete the fields.  When that is 
accomplished, the file will be marked read only so when it's saved with 
new information, a new filename will be required.





On 10/13/16 3:03 PM, anne-ology wrote:

   You could add a password which should lock the document;
  then when the receiver reads the document, he should be able to
copy it to his machine, make any additions & send back to you;
 then you can make the changes to the table & re-send/upload.

   I don't know the details as to how this would work;
  whenever I upload anything, I always click on 'only those with
the link' can open which keeps prying roving eyes from seeing.

   Hoping this helps to some degree,



From: Ken Springer 
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:11 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Document protection
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Windows 7 Ultimate
LO 5.1.5.2

I've created a document with a simple table.  In one column, each cell
contains a fill in field.

I want to protect the entire document from changes *except* the fields.

How can I do this?  I haven't found a way up to now.

Incidentally, the help file for cell protection does not match the program.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office and MS Word compatibility query

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/17/2016 10:14 AM, Cley Faye  wrote:
> 2016-10-17 16:07 GMT+02:00 Tanstaafl :
>> On 10/15/2016 7:02 AM, toki  wrote:
>>> For my part, I point blank refuse to use MS Word (any version), because
>>> it is completely, utterly and absolutely incompatible with itself (the
>>> same version but on a different computer)--- to the point that they
>>> might as well have been written by two different companies, with
>>> different development teams.
>>
>> While I would agree there can be problems - sometimes big ones, between
>> *different* versions of Word (or Excel or Powerpoint), I call BS on your
>> the above. It simply is not true.
>>
>> FUD like this does nothing to help with the spread of open file formats.

> ​While the initial statement is exaggerated,

It is MUCH more than just exaggerated...

> moving a file between two computers using the same version of MSO
> can produce different results, with no obvious reasons. Of course
> after digging enough an explanation can be found,

By all means, please provide an example of something that could cause
this...

Maybe differing versions of VSC++, but I can't think of much else.

> but I've seen it happen often enough to be noticeable. This was in
> the beginning of the docx format, but I would not be surprised if things
> didn't change much in it's ~10 years of existence.

Well, yes, sure, when a new file format is introduced there are a lot of
things that can happen.

But we are not talking about 10 years ago and a brand new file format.
We're talking about now - and I'd include the *recent* past (say, 2-4
years).

I'm not saying it can not ever happen, I'm saying that it isn't even
remotely close to the show stopper problem the OP claimed.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office and MS Word compatibility query

[Cley Faye]

2016-10-17 16:07 GMT+02:00 Tanstaafl :

> On 10/15/2016 7:02 AM, toki  wrote:
> > For my part, I point blank refuse to use MS Word (any version), because
> > it is completely, utterly and absolutely incompatible with itself (the
> > same version but on a different computer)--- to the point that they
> > might as well have been written by two different companies, with
> > different development teams.
>
> While I would agree there can be problems - sometimes big ones, between
> *different* versions of Word (or Excel or Powerpoint), I call BS on your
> the above. It simply is not true.
>
> FUD like this does nothing to help with the spread of open file formats.
>

​While the initial statement is exaggerated, moving a file between two
computers using the same version of MSO can produce different results, with
no obvious reasons. Of course after digging enough an explanation can be
found, but I've seen it happen often enough to be noticeable. This was in
the beginning of the docx format, but I would not be surprised if things
didn't change much in it's ~10 years of existence.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Apostrophe prepended to MM/DD/YYYY

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/15/2016 10:02 PM, Brian Barker  wrote:
> At 18:10 11/10/2016 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Can find get rid of the ' marks to make the values revert to 
>> 'numbers/dates' rather than being forced into being text?

> No.

This claims otherwise:

http://www.ryananddebi.com/2009/11/29/remove-apostrophes-before-numbers-in-openoffice-calc/

Also, if I recall I dealt with this a long time ago and there is an
Addon/Extension that can accomplish this... let me go look...

Yes, the CT2N extension...

http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/ct2n-convert-text-to-number-and-dates

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office and MS Word compatibility query

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/15/2016 7:02 AM, toki  wrote:
> For my part, I point blank refuse to use MS Word (any version), because
> it is completely, utterly and absolutely incompatible with itself (the
> same version but on a different computer)--- to the point that they
> might as well have been written by two different companies, with
> different development teams.

While I would agree there can be problems - sometimes big ones, between
*different* versions of Word (or Excel or Powerpoint), I call BS on your
the above. It simply is not true.

FUD like this does nothing to help with the spread of open file formats.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Numbers]

[Brian Barker]

At 13:52 16/10/2016 -0400, Doug McNutt wrote:
... I learned that there are two kinds of numbers: Cardinals include 
a zero, decimal points, and negatives. [...] Ordinals, or "counting 
numbers" start at +1 and do not understand fractional parts such as 
1.5. There is no zero.


No, ordinal numbers are those representing an order, i.e. first, 
second, third, ... instead of one, two, three, ... . Your distinction 
here is between "real" numbers - which can have any value - and 
"integers". Integers have no fractions, but they can be zero or negative.


I just picked up a recent technical book ... . The first few pages 
are called the PREFACE and the page numbers therein are noted in 
lower case Roman numerals like iv, v, vi, viii.


It is standard, of course, for books to have three parts: a title 
page, what is called "front matter", and the main text. And it is 
usual for front matter to be numbered using lower case roman numerals 
and the main text using arabic numbers.



Can LibreOffice do that?


Of course. Page numbers are a property of page styles, so you just 
need separate styles for each part. And there are a number of arabic, 
roman, and cyrillic styles for page numbers.



The first page would have to be i because there is no zero.


Surely the first page is i because it is the first page, not the 
zeroth one! In fact, the title page is usually considered the first 
page but unnumbered, so the front matter will start with ii (or 
possible later).


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Ricardo]

El 2016-10-16 19:52, Doug McNutt escribió:




I just picked up a recent technical book with paper pages and no
pushbuttons.  The first few pages are called the PREFACE and the page
numbers therein are noted in lower case Roman numerals like iv, v, vi,
viii. Can LibreOffice do that? The first page would have to be i
because there is no zero.


Sure. Just modify the page style used on the preface, go to the "Page" 
tab and under "Page layout" select the kind of page numbers you need 
from the "Page numbers" drop down menu.







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