[libreoffice-users] Re: BUG: Writer seems to ignore some \par in RTF file
Tom, On 15 March 2013 10:50, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4043988...@n3.nabble.com wrote: If it's just text then why not use the txt format? Because it's text with limited bolding of some words. I'm not sure why your Odts are ending up so large. Typically around 20-50Kb seems fairly normal for just a couple of pages. The ODT's are not that big, but on z/OS I would have to create them as the constituent XML files and those are huge! I feel i should apologise that MS never made the Rtf format OpenSource rather than proprietary and hid the format's specs so that other programs couldn't use it until years after each new release of it and then withdrew development of it after they lost their court case but MS is a 3rd party organisation and we have no control over what they do. I don't think they're hidden any longer, and as for my problem, the file I gave as an example is laughably simple, so don't blame M$ for hidden specs. Writer should be able to import it correctly. Robert -- Robert AH Prins robert(a)prino(d)org From: Robert Prins [hidden email] To: Tom Davies [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] [hidden email] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 10:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] BUG: Writer seems to ignore some \par in RTF file Tom, On 15 March 2013 09:09, Tom Davies [hidden email] wrote: The Odt format is a zip container that holds an Xml file(s). So my guess is that if you can generate Xml in text-files then it should be reasonably easy. You've got to be kidding... Take this line from a file (in fixed pitch font): === SOURCE === | 72 | 1386 | 43 | 26 | 112 | 14 | FL RG P CH D GB LV NL B S | === SOURCE === In RTF it's simple: === RTF === | 72 | 1386 | 43 | 26 | 112 | 14 | FL RG P CH D GB LV NL B S |\par === RTF === And in ODT? === ODT === text:p text:style-name=P1text:span text:style-name=T1| text:s text:c=2/72 | 1386 | text:s text:c=2/43 | text:s text:c=2/26 | text:s/112 | text:s text:c=2/14 | FL text:s/RG text:s/P text:s text:c=2/CH text:s/D text:s text:c=2/GB text:s/LV text:s/NL text:s/B text:s text:c=2/S text:s text:c=2/|/text:span/text:p === ODT === Care to explain why Writer breaks up this line in umpteen parts, and seems to do so on all places where there are two of more spaces? What is wrong with spaces in XML? Why, so it seems to me, replace 2 spaces with a *20* character substitute of text:s text:c=2/? Also, in this case the RTF file is just 325kb. The content.xml is 1,152kb. Another RTF file is 2,887kb. For this one the content.xml is merely 8,961kb, and even stranger: Open the RTF-saved-as-ODT, add and insert and delete a single space at the very beginning, and save again, and now content.xml is suddenly reduced to 7,056kb. Why wasn't is saved like that right from the start? RTF may have drawbacks, but for simple text it's vastly easier to generate than the XML used in Writer. Add the fact that CPU time on z/OS is rather more expensive than on Windoze boxes, and the case against generating ODT files on z/OS is pretty strong... I'll probably file the problem as a bug, but I won't hold my breath for the solution. Robert -- Robert AH Prins robert(a)prino(d)org But as you point out it does generate fairly different results on different machines using different OSes or / and different programs. Then when generated you have no idea how it will display on other different machines, different OSes or in different programs. You are free to post it as a bug-report but it's an inherent problem with the format itself and one that MS never fixed. Remember that this mess of a format and the vast waste of effort endure by quite a lot of people and companies did land MS in court and MS lost the case. Some companies seem to have been put out of business by it's failures to be more cross-compatible. So, you are not alone. Regards from Tom :) From: Robert Prins [hidden email] To: Tom Davies [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] [hidden email] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 7:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] BUG: Writer seems to ignore some \par in RTF file Tom, Maybe... But RTF has one huge advantage, it's very easy to create on other systems, as it is pure text. The file I posted is generate on IBM's z/OS. Maybe you can tell me how I can generate an ODT file on that platform? Robert -- Robert AH Prins robert(a)prino(d)org On 15 March 2013 00:11, Tom Davies [hidden email] wrote: Hi :) MS developed Rtf making all the promises about cross-platform and cross-product compatibility that are currently being made for their ISO format. Unfortunately they never quite lived up to those promises and got taken to court about it and lost the case. So they stopped developing it and created the OOXML and got that registered as an ISO standard instead. Now people seem to be having similar problems with the new OOXML formats
[libreoffice-users] BUG: Writer seems to ignore some \par in RTF file
If you open the following, name it whatever.rtf
=== CUT ===
{\rtf1\ansi\deff0
{\fonttbl
{\f0\fmodern\fcharset0\fprq1 Courier New;}}
\paperw16840\paperh11907\margl709\margr709\margt1418\margb567
\lndscpsxn
\cols2\colsx709
\pard\plain
\sl-140\slmult0\fs14
{\b Rows\par}{
\par
+--+\par
| Row |\par
+--+\par
|1 |\par
| 60 |\par
+--+\par
\column
\par
\par
+--+\par
| Row |\par
+--+\par
| 61 |\par
| 120 |\par
+--+\par
\column
\par
\par
+--+\par
| Row |\par
+--+\par
| 121 |\par
+--+\par
| Tot |\par
+--+\par
}}
=== CUT ===
in Word, it will correctly put two blank lines above the second and third
column. Open it in Writer (4.0.1.2) and there will be only *one* blank line
above columns two and three.
Not good!
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[libreoffice-users] LO cannot correctly import quoted text
I’ve got some data, that, very simplified looks like 1,2,3,4,“Cell E1” 2,2,3,4,“Cell E2” 3,2,3,4,”“Cell E3”“ 4,2,3,4,“Cell E4” 5,2,3,4,”“Cell E5”“ i.e. it contains both text and quoted text. When I import this (LO 3.6.1, W7-64, UK English) using Codepage: System Separated by: Comma Merge delimiters: Yes (irrelevant) Text delimiter: “ Quoted fields as text: Yes Detect special numbers: Yes line 4 of the input file ends up as the second line in cell E3 and the final “CELL E5” (in cell E4) is followed by a newline How do I get this imported correctly - any solutions that suggest to modify the input data are unacceptable, the data comes from z/OS and for what it's worth, imported correctly in LO 3.5.4... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-cannot-correctly-import-quoted-text-tp4010110.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Bar charts with user-defined x-axis
Suppose I've got the following data: Year KM 1980 2,981.2 1982 7,901.6 198312,021.6 1985 8,529.9 1986 5,903.7 1987 1,951.7 1988 8,152.8 1989 6,528.1 199015,346.3 1991 6,120.6 199211,389.0 199313,186.1 199415,542.9 199521,593.5 199610,384.7 1997 4,548.8 1998 5,395.5 1999 5,820.4 200030,360.0 2001 8,328.8 200219,446.9 2003 2,554.6 200415,864.1 2005 788.6 200610,924.0 2007 1,712.9 200814,957.1 2009 7,098.7 201022,289.4 201129,866.7 2012 9,925.0 And I want to put it into a bar-graph. No problem, I get this: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3992054/km.png However, how do I get the years on the X-axis rather than the meaningless 1..33 numbers? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Bar-charts-with-user-defined-x-axis-tp3992054.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Bar charts with user-defined x-axis
Thank you, this works! It shows every third year as label (1980/1983/1986...) Is there a way to show only every n-th year? For this chart n=5 would be my choice. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Bar-charts-with-user-defined-x-axis-tp3992054p3992128.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Bar charts with user-defined x-axis
Hi Regina, On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Regina Henschel [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n3992144...@n3.nabble.com wrote: prino schrieb: Thank you, this works! It shows every third year as label (1980/1983/1986...) Is there a way to show only every n-th year? For this chart n=5 would be my choice. Set chart in edit mode. Format Axis x-Axis Dialog page Scale. Set Type to 'Date'. Then you get elements on that dialog page to trim the axis labels. OMG, holy this, it works, but there is absolutely nothing intuitive about it... Thanks, Robert -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Bar-charts-with-user-defined-x-axis-tp3992054p3992166.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.4.3 Writer cannot handle RTF document
Tom wrote: If a machine appears to be dead then often you can still use it by booting up a LiveCd session of a GnuLinux distro. Not in this case, a number of the capacitors on the motherboard have blown and even with replacements it won't boot anymore. :( -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-3-4-3-Writer-cannot-handle-RTF-document-tp3485447p3486456.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] RE: LO 3.4.3 Writer cannot handle RTF document
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Using the RTF as provided in Robert's e-mail, Wordpad displays everything through the Total amount due row and that is the end. The additional RTF after that row is has no effect. Same here, I've got other similar invoices but they display OK. Now trying to figure out the difference. Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: In Microsoft Word 2010, the document displays completely, all the way down to the Registered in England line with VAT number placeholder at the bottom of the page. Libre Office 3.3.2 also opens the RTF document perfectly, except that one line at the bottom of the page rolls off onto a separate sheet. The layout is not quite so faithful as the Word 2010 appears to be. I saved the Word version as an ODF Text (.odt) document and it is all there. I had to delete two rows of blank lines to get the bottom matter back onto the single sheet (perhaps because of default paper-size differences on my US configuration). The document is for (European) A4, and US Letter is ~18 mm shorter, which explains the page-overflow. Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I can make the ODT available to Robert if that satisfies his short-term requirement. It doesn't explain why WordPad 6.1 SP1 stumbles. No need, these are old invoices, I can make future ones with Writer, but given the fact hat the full RTF spec is available, I would have expected Writer to handle it. Robert -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-3-4-3-Writer-cannot-handle-RTF-document-tp3485447p3486476.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.4.3 Writer cannot handle RTF document
Pedro wrote: prino wrote: I would appreciate it if someone could have a look at to why this document doesn't display the way it should be displayed. Actually RTF must be the worse format in the world :) I opened your document under XP SP3 Pro x86 in 6 different word processors and it didn't look the same in any two: Wordpad, Abiword 2.9.0, LibreOffice 3.4.4RC2, IBM Lotus Symphony 3, Kingsoft Office 2012 and Softmaker Office 2012. I would say that the only one where it looked complete and properly formatted was in Softmaker, which isn't surprising :) If you are using LibreOffice I advise you to stick with ODF. If you need to send files to people who don't use LibreOffice, then stick with doc (not docx) If I need to send documents to others, I use plain text, where I might add some *bold* or _underscore_ tags, but nothing more. Files are small and everyone can read plain text! Actually, other than the fact that LibreOffice cannot read (some) RTF correctly, its implementation of an RTF writer is absolute, excusez-le-mot, Sh*te, with a capital S! It doesn't do any factoring of tags, and the documents it produces are humongous. An example? I have a program that processes my, don't laugh, hitchhiking data. (Yes, at the age of 51 I still hitchhike, see http://hitchwiki.org/community/prino/ ) It optionally outputs the files in RTF format (it dates back to the early 1990'ies, i.e. well before OO LO) All of the resulting RTF files contain the absolute minimum of tags and one has a size of just 299kb, a mere 26kb more than the plain text file. M$ Word was already bad, blowing it up to around 330kb, but LO Writer completely takes the piss by saving it as a 1.1Mb RTF file, and looking at it makes you wonder why Writer adds the same set of completely irrelevant tags over and over and over (and over and over ad nauseam) again. As an aside, the fact that it's very easy to turn plain text into RTF using about any editor and/or simple scripts is a big advantage that RTF has over ODF, try making an ODT file on IBM's z/OS... Robert -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-3-4-3-Writer-cannot-handle-RTF-document-tp3485447p3486607.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LO 3.4.3 Writer cannot handle RTF document
System: Windows XP SP3 (+everything after it)
LO: LibreOffice 3.4.3
OOO340m1 (Build:302)
Recently my PC died (and with it the freebie version of Word 2002
(10.2627.2625)) and I having never had any problems with XLS files and LO
Calc, I expected LO Writer to have little trouble with he following very
simple Word .RTF document.
How wrong can one be...
I would appreciate it if someone could have a look at to why this document
doesn't display the way it should be displayed.
=== CUT ===
{\rtf1\ansi\uc1\deff0
{\fonttbl
{\f0\froman\fcharset0\fprq2 Times New Roman;}
{\f1\fmodern\fcharset0\fprq1 Courier New;}
{\f2\fscript\fcharset0\fprq2 Monotype Corsiva;}}
\paperw11907\paperh16840\margl992\margr1418\margt567\margb567
\pard\plain\qj
\fs20
{\b\f2\fs32\qc XX XX X Ltd\par }
\par
\par
{\b\ql XXX XXX \par
XXX XXX\par
\par
XXX}
{\ul
\par
\par
\par }
\pard
\ql
\tx993
\tx1985
\tqdec
\tx2694
{Invoice no:
\tab X-XX
\tab
\tab Date:
\tab XX X 2011
\par }
\pard
{\ql\par
\par
Dear Sirs,\par
\par }
\pard
{\qj You have never received written permission to send any email to
xxx...@x.xxx and as such the ten emails that my company,
the owner of the x.xxx domain, received on 2010-05-28, 2010-06-29,
2010-09-29, 2011-01-26 (3x), 2011-02-23, 2011-03-25, 2011-05-26 and
2011-06-22 are SPAM, in direct violation of EU directive 2002/58/EC.\par
\par
As it costs me time and effort to deal with such messages, time that I
could otherwise use more productively, and because I have called you
before about the abuse of this email address used by my company in July
2010 and March 2011 I have no other choice than to charge you for this
time. I think a reasonable amount is GBP 100 per spam message, but if
you think that this is too much, I am quite happy to let the courts in
England decide on a more appropriate amount, in the case of Nigel
Roberts v Media Logistics Limited before the Colchester County Court in
2005 (Claim No: 5CO03667) the defendant paid GBP 300 to settle the
claim for a {\b single} spam message.\par
\par
Needlessly to say, I also want you to remove every trace of the above
email address from your systems.\par
\par }
\trowd\trgaph107\trleft-107\cellx5529\cellx6664
\pard\ql\intbl
{Processing 10 spam messages @ GBP 100 per message\cell }
\pard\ql\intbl
\tqdec\tx593 {\b 1,000.00\cell }
\pard\ql\intbl
{\trowd\trgaph107\trleft-107\cellx5529\cellx6664\row }
\pard\ql\intbl
{VAT @ 20%\cell }
\pard\ql\intbl
\tqdec\tx593 {\b 200.00\cell }
\pard\ql\intbl
{\trowd\trgaph107\trleft-107\cellx5529\cellx6664\row }
\trowd\trgaph107\trleft-107\cellx6664
\pard\ql\intbl
{\cell }
\pard\ql\intbl
{\trowd\trgaph107\trleft-107\cellx6664\row }
\trowd\lastrow\trgaph107\trleft-107\cellx4819\cellx5529\cellx6664
\pard\ql\intbl
{\b Total amount due\cell }
{\b GBP\cell }
\pard\ql\intbl
\tqdec\tx593 {\b 1,200.00\cell }
\pard\ql
{\trowd\lastrow\trgaph107\trleft-107\cellx4819\cellx5529\cellx6664\row }
\par
\pard
\qj
{Payment is due }
{\b immediately}
{, please transfer the sum above to our account with X plc. Our
banking details are:\par }
\par
\pard
\ql
\tx1276
\tx1418
{\b Accountholder}{\tab :\tab }
{\f1 XX XX X Ltd\par }
{\b IBAN}{\tab :\tab }
{\f1 XX\par }
{\b BIC}{\tab :\tab }
{\f1 XXX\par\par }
\pard
\ql
{The address of the bank is:\par
\par }
{\b X XX plc,\par
,\par
XXX XX XXX XX,\par
XXX,\par
XX XXX,\par
XX XXX\par }
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
\par
{\b\f1\fs16\qj
XX XX X Ltd reserves the right to claim statutory interest at 8%
above the
Bank of England reference rate in force on the date the debt becomes
overdue and at
any subsequent rate where the reference rate changes and the debt remains
unpaid in
accordance with the Late Payment of Commercial Debts (Interest) Act 1998 as
amended
and supplemented by the Late Payment of Commercial Debts Regulations 2002.
\par }
\pard
\par
\pard
\qc
{\f1\fs16 XX XX X Limited, XX XXX X, , XXX,
XXX, XXX XXX\par
Registered in England No XXX Registered office as above }
{\b\f1\fs16 VAT number XXX XX}}
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Robert
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