Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail Merge and Labels

2013-12-16 Thread John Clegg
I have just done my labels too - only using Avery 8165 (I just happened to
have some in the drawer) It worked find, but I too found the printing
started right on the edge - and I couldn't see any way to change this other
than adding spaces manually. I had to add a blank line at the top for the
same reason. Or is there a way that I have missed?


On 5 December 2013 23:37, Jeff Hahn hahn...@outlook.com wrote:

 I use LO 4.1.3 and Windows 7.  I should repeat that in my case the first 2
 columns print properly (although the print starts right at the edge of the
 label).  It is only the third (right) column that is off.

 Jeff Hahn

  From: cuyfa...@hotmail.com
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail Merge and Labels
  Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:31:46 -0500
 
  I just noticed this thread, and I have to chime in that, the last time I
  tried to create labels, I too noticed that the LO Avery 5160 template
  alignment was off. I had to adjust the contents of every cell. At that
 time,
  I was still using LO 3.5.x. I have not yet tried since upgrading to the
  4.x.x range.
 
  At the time, I just installed Apache OO, as its template worked properly.
 
  If I recall correctly, I think there may have been other label templates
  online as extensions that worked better than LO's label template.
 
  Virgil
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Niklas Johansson
  Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:20 PM
  To: Jeff Hahn ; users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail Merge and Labels
 
  So I looked at the configuration in LibreOffice 4.0.6 and LibreOffice
  4.2 beta-version and the configuration seems to be correct. I even
  compared it to the result that I get in Word 2013 for the same label
  (sorry for not thinking about doing that earlier). So before I put
  anymore time into this it would be good to know what version of
  LibreOffice you used when you created the labels?
 
  Niklas Johansson
 
  Jeff Hahn skrev 2013-12-05 17:22:
   I think the configuration in the wizard may be wrong.  The Avery 5160
 has
   30 labels on a 8.5 x 11 sheet each measuring 1 x 2 5/8.  It is
   probably one of the most common labels used so I am surprised the issue
   hasn't previously been raised.  As I indicated in my email, I didn't
 have
   any problem when I switched to Word so I am reasonably confident the
 issue
   is not related to my printer.
  
   Jeff Hahn
  
  
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 17:04:24 +0100
From: sleeping.pil...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail Merge and Labels
   
Hi Jeff
   
Is the issue that you used lable sheets of the type Avery 5160 and
 that
the preconfiguration for these lables were wrong?
I think that I remember reading some issues with the label
   functionality
(File - New - Label) in an earlier version of LibreOffice that
 might
or might not be fixed in newer versions. What version of LibreOffice
   did
you use?
   
Do you have any specifications for the measurements of these specific
labels so I can do a quick review if there seems to be any issues
 there?
   
Note also that you can tweak the measurements under the Format tab of
the Labels-dialog. Not that you should need to if you use labels that
has a preset configuration.
   
Kind regards,
Niklas Johansson
   
Jeff Hahn wrote 2013-12-04 16:41:



 I tried to do my labels for Christmas
 cards using LO's mail merge. I was able to create the data base and
 print without difficulty. Unfortunately, the entire third column
   was not
 properly spaced and printed outside of the label, a couple of
   spaces to the left. The first two columns were they were supposed to
 be. I
   was using standard
 configuration for Avery 5160. I finally gave up created the labels
 with Excel and Word.




 I am not sure where to send an email to
 suggest that the matter be looked into so I am sending this
 information to this list with the hope the matter will be picked
 for
 investigation. Also, although I suspect it has been suggested
 before, it would be nice to be able to do a mail merge directly
 from
 the spreadsheet without creating a database file.




 Jeff Hahn


   
   
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Change key

2013-01-14 Thread John Clegg
Try Tools  Customise  Keyboard from within Writer. Watch for the radio
buttons top right that change the scope between just Writer and all of LO.

John


On 14 January 2013 08:37, Jaap Bosman j...@xs4all.nl wrote:

 I need to change keys because function keys do not work on my keyboard.
 Want ctrl F to be the key to open Navigator.
 Did change this in ExtraChangeKeyboard, but this does not work.
 Question: How to change keys in Writer?

 (OSX 10.7.5, Libreoffice Versie 3.6.4.3 (Bouw-id: 2ef5aff)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is it possible to show cell value with text

2012-11-11 Thread John Clegg
This was a thread from 5th November which I answered to the group. He
thanked me but got fooled by the stupid group reply settings.


On 11 November 2012 16:24, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 11/11/2012 11:03 AM, dave_ wrote:

 Thanks for the solution.



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 two thousand twelve instead of 10 Nov 2012  or Nov 10, 2012?
  Please be more specific.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is it possible to show cell value with text

2012-11-11 Thread John Clegg
The  concatenates text strings whereas + tries to add them and fails!


On 12 November 2012 04:28, Viral Orpe viral.o...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi John,

 Checked your reply on list-archives :)
 Somehow must have missed on 6th Nov when it first appeared.

 Please, what is the  stand for?
 Dave_ had asked the question with a +

 So, I guess this is some standard way of doing things(name?) with slightly
 diff syntax.

 I have never known it can be done that way - text and formula together in
 a cell.
 I have always used adjacent cells - one with the text part and another
 with the formula.

 Any pointers would be great.

 Thanks,
 Regards,
 Viral Orpe :)
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 This was a thread from 5th November which I answered to the group. He
 thanked me but got fooled by the stupid group reply settings.


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  On 11/11/2012 11:03 AM, dave_ wrote:
 
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  cell value? Where is the text located? Are you referring to a cell
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Connecting LO Base to an SQL DB [SOLVED]

2012-11-06 Thread John Clegg
The way I extracted my data was to right-click on each table and copy, and
then open a new spreadsheet and paste. Once in the spreadsheet you can then
save as CSV for easy importing into MYSQL.


On 6 November 2012 10:10, Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.net wrote:

 On 11/06/2012 11:34 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

 Hello LibO experts,
 and congratulations IanW!

 It has been very interesting to follow this discussion getting Base
 working with MySQL.
 Unfortunately -- if I got it right - is Ian's OS a Linux (Ubuntu?)

 Would it be possible to get the same proceeding described as a
 step-by-step instruction for Windows7 (64bit)?
 in plain english  (no IT-jargong)
 starting from the very beginning defining the different programs
 (versions) and components (ODBC, JDBC, JRE, etc when needed, included) to
 be installed


 Hi Pertti

 Noted on your comments!! Unfortunately I'm running PCLinuxOS here and NOT
 Windows!! (I'm sure you will be told to move by someone!!). So I don't
 think it's any use me sending you the steps I went through. I did however
 have the same situation here and over the past 8 months or so this was the
 fourth attempt at getting it working.

 In the past I gave up after several days of thrashing about and went
 back to Base/HSQL until it crashed on me again and so on and so on

 This time I decided to hold out and work it through to the very end!!
 There were many things to learn and lots of Hoops to jump through but we
 got there in the end thanks to the aforementioned Members of the Forum
 (thanks again Guys!!)

 I'm sure somebody WILL pop up and try and help you out - just stay with
 it, one step at a time, and you'll get there in the end.

 VERY early days here but so far it looks good and I have a good feeling
 about Base/MySQL. I'm stuck at the moment though trying to extract my data
 from the old DB!!! Whatever I try it just crashes on me. (Grrr).

 The saga continues and I will be VERY glad to be shot of Base/HSQL!!!

 All the best

 IanW
 Pretoria RSA.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Is it possible to show cell value with text

2012-11-04 Thread John Clegg
Nice easy one that! You were nearly there:

=Number of errors are(SUM(A1:A3) .)

On 5 November 2012 06:06, dave_ dave.wagne...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it possble to do the following:

 Lets say a1 =5, a2=3 and a3=7, now in cell c1 I would like a message to say
 Number of errors are  +  (=sum(a1:a3) +.
 Number of errors are 15.

 Is this even possible?


 Thanks ahead for any suggestions.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-20 Thread John Clegg
OK, all fixed at last - by a clunky method, but hey - it worked!

I had the data in a CSV so I loaded that into an ODS sheet, then pasted
from there into a new table via Base, creating a new primary index in the
process. That worked!

On 19 October 2012 16:52, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote:

 Perhaps a Windows environment issue?  See this thread (and similar) at
 StackOverflow on the SE:

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2259718/mysql-environment-variable-on-windows

 Stuart

 

 From: John Clegg [mailto:john.cl...@nailsea.net]
 Sent: Fri 10/19/2012 10:04 AM
 To: jomali
 Cc: Alexander Thurgood; users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form



 Really? Mine doesn't

 On 19 October 2012 15:55, jomali jomali3...@gmail.com wrote:

  What are you talking about? Of course there is a command line interface
 to
  MySQL in Windows. I use it all the time. Just go to Run and type mysql in
  the Open: box. You'll get a Command prompt with mysql command line ready
 to
  go.
 
  John
 
  On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net
 wrote:
 
  Hm It isn't quite that simple in Windows (no command line mysql
  client)
  but I tried HeidiSQL and I can connect and amend data with no problems
 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-19 Thread John Clegg
No, the ODB is on a local NTFS volume

The problem with the ODBC version is that Base can't download the table
structure from the server for some reason. The JDBC version can but can't
r/w. Which all suggests to me some dodgy MySQL connectors

To check that I set up another MySQL server elsewhere and had exactly the
same problem with the JDBC connector.

I suppose I could set up a local MySQL server but I don't want it local!
And I suspect I might hit the same problem anyway.

Very frustrating!

On 19 October 2012 09:46, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/18/2012 03:49 PM, John Clegg wrote:

 Hi John,

  Update - I have now tried connecting with ODBC (MySQL 3.5.1, Win7) rather
  than JDBC. The table now becomes editable, but when I make a change I
 can't
  save because I get a message that nothing has changed!

 Shot in the dark - the ODB file isn't on a SMB/CIFS or NFS server or
 network storage ?

 Unfortunately, I can't reproduce your problem from a general point of
 view - yesterday I managed to set up a JDBC ConnectorJ connection to a
 locally hosted mysql db on WIndows XP and LO 3.6.1 and can edit the data
 and have it saved no problem.

 So, it must be something specific to your setup, or the ODB file itself.


 Alex




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suitability of Lo in Small organisations

2012-10-19 Thread John Clegg
I am a small organisation using 3.6.2 and I find it pretty well bug free in
the bits we use!

On 19 October 2012 10:17, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote:

 On 19/10/2012 at 10:30, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

  Luckily you can't really go wrong now that the
  3.6.3 is out.

 3.6.3 has not been released yet. It's only rc1 that is available. LO
 website
 clearly state that this version is not meant for production use.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-19 Thread John Clegg
OK, thanks for that.

Using LO 3.6.2 on Windows 7SP1 (also linux, but let's get it working here
first!). Connecting to a database on xeround.com (actually hosted on Amazon
EC2 servers, using port 18993. JDBC driver class com.mysql.jdbc.Driver
using mysql-connector-java-5.1.22-bin.jar

John

On 19 October 2012 13:16, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi John,

 Le 19/10/12 11:09, John Clegg a écrit :



  The problem with the ODBC version is that Base can't download the
  table structure from the server for some reason. The JDBC version can
  but can't r/w. Which all suggests to me some dodgy MySQL connectors
 
 There are some known issues with ODBC connectors, some of which cause
 crashes, or data access problems, depending on which version of LO you
 are using and which version of the MySQL ODBC Connector. Remember, LO is
 32bit, even on Windows 64bit OS, so it requires a 32bit ODBC connector.

 This is also a major problem on OSX, where :
 - current versions of the OS are 64bit only as are the included mysql
 servers ;
 - LO is only 32bit ;
 - OSX can't manage a 32bit and 64bit mysql connector at the same time
 (or at least if it can, I've found no way to get it to behave properly),
 so users are stuffed when it comes to MyODBC on Mac OSX unless they are
 using a 32bit OS, i.e. Leopard or older..., or Snow Leopard in 32bit
 kernel mode...

 On Linux, the ODBC connector and LO are available in 32 and 64 bit
 incarnations, so it is possible to get something up and running.

 All versions of LO have had problems accessing remote database instances
 via ODBC, especially if your db server is on the internet.



  To check that I set up another MySQL server elsewhere and had exactly
  the same problem with the JDBC connector.
 
  I suppose I could set up a local MySQL server but I don't want it
  local! And I suspect I might hit the same problem anyway.

 No, I suspect that your problem is precisely because your mysql server
 is not local, or at least, not on the local lan (if I have understood
 your implied setup correctly).

 I don't have any problem accessing a LAN hosted mysql server instance
 over the mysql JDBC connector. Trying that over the internet is a whole
 other ballgame though. You need to have remote user access to your mysql
 server instance other than through port 80, which is not always (rarely,
 other than by SSH) provided for by hosting services. On top of that, DNS
 resolution issues can cause timeouts.

 It might be helpful if you gave us the exact setup you are trying to put
 into place, with version numbers for the different components.


 Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-19 Thread John Clegg
Hm It isn't quite that simple in Windows (no command line mysql client)
but I tried HeidiSQL and I can connect and amend data with no problems

On 19 October 2012 13:44, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote:

  Hi John,


 Le 19/10/12 14:25, John Clegg a écrit :

 OK, thanks for that.

  Using LO 3.6.2 on Windows 7SP1 (also linux, but let's get it working
 here first!). Connecting to a database on xeround.com (actually hosted on
 Amazon EC2 servers, using port 18993. JDBC driver
 class com.mysql.jdbc.Driver using mysql-connector-java-5.1.22-bin.jar


 Can you connect to that instance via the mysql client program from the
 command line interface and edit data in your tables on the remote instance ?

 mysql -h myhost -P myport -d mydb -u myuser -p mypassword


 Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-19 Thread John Clegg
Really? Mine doesn't

On 19 October 2012 15:55, jomali jomali3...@gmail.com wrote:

 What are you talking about? Of course there is a command line interface to
 MySQL in Windows. I use it all the time. Just go to Run and type mysql in
 the Open: box. You'll get a Command prompt with mysql command line ready to
 go.

 John

 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.netwrote:

 Hm It isn't quite that simple in Windows (no command line mysql
 client)
 but I tried HeidiSQL and I can connect and amend data with no problems

 On 19 October 2012 13:44, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com
 wrote:

   Hi John,
 
 
  Le 19/10/12 14:25, John Clegg a écrit :
 
  OK, thanks for that.
 
   Using LO 3.6.2 on Windows 7SP1 (also linux, but let's get it working
  here first!). Connecting to a database on xeround.com (actually hosted
 on
  Amazon EC2 servers, using port 18993. JDBC driver
  class com.mysql.jdbc.Driver using mysql-connector-java-5.1.22-bin.jar
 
 
  Can you connect to that instance via the mysql client program from the
  command line interface and edit data in your tables on the remote
 instance ?
 
  mysql -h myhost -P myport -d mydb -u myuser -p mypassword
 
 
  Alex
 

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-18 Thread John Clegg
OK, a supplementary if I may!

I am accessing the remote MySQL database using com.mysql.jdbc.Driver.
When I access the data by opening the table or using the form it is
read-only. Any ideas again?

John

On 17 October 2012 20:25, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote:

 I have a base file attached to a MySQL database on a remote server. I have
 a form that I use to view and edit the data in one table.

 Others also access the database, and I need to experiment with the data in
 that table without molesting the master copy.

 One solution would be to make a complete copy of the database, but as I
 want to make copies of the main table many times a day that would be a
 laborious solution

 It is easy to make a duplicate of the main table within the database, and
 also easy to make a copy of the form in the base file, but what I need to
 do now is point the copy of the form at the copy of the table.

 I thought it might be possible to open the odb file as a zip file and find
 the form data containing the table name somewhere in it, and edit it to the
 copy table name, but I haven't succeeded yet.

 Does anybody know if this is possible - or even if there is a much easier
 way?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-18 Thread John Clegg
That's pretty comprehensive, thanks! I will work through those.

Regards

john

On 18 October 2012 08:22, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/18/2012 08:02 AM, John Clegg wrote:

 Hi John,


  I am accessing the remote MySQL database using com.mysql.jdbc.Driver.
  When I access the data by opening the table or using the form it is
  read-only. Any ideas again?
 

 Several possible reasons :

 - no primary key field defined in your table, but I guess you would have
 noticed that before, with your previous attempts to edit the data from
 within LO Base ;

 - a field in your table that LO can not parse - unfortunately, some data
 types, whilst in theory recognised by the driver in other circumstances,
 i.e. with other software, are not recognised by LO's data type parser,
 for the lack of them being defined in the handling code. One such
 example are certain binary objects. At present CLOB support is limited
 to images in LO ;

 - a corrupt or misconfigured ODB file : it may be that changing your
 table source has confused LO's database registration code and caused it
 mark the table as read only, or alternatively, if it points to a
 separated database, then the ODB configuration needs to be reset to
 correspond to the new database in addition to the new table (this is
 just speculation on my part) ;

 - a bug in the version of LO you are using.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-18 Thread John Clegg
Thanks. This is a fairly new connection, so I can't be sure it has ever had
read/write. I know it's read-only because if I open the table and click
Edit everything is greyed out except Copy. And if I access data via the
form I can't change anything.

I can access the data via phpMyAdmin and make changes. I have added a
primary key this way, but I'm not sure that Base is seeing that - there is
no sign of it if I edit the table structure in Base.


On 18 October 2012 08:53, Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk wrote:

 Is this after you've switched to using a different copy?
 It sounds like you have had read/write access in the past, is that
 right?  If so, what changed?

 How do you know it's read only?
 If your form won't let you change the data it's a local issue, if you
 can save but it makes no difference presumably thems who are
 administering the MySQL have set something.

 Often the reason for having read only access through Base is that the
 table in question doesn't have a primary key defined, but if you've
 had write access before and nothing else has changed that would be
 unlikely.

 Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-18 Thread John Clegg
It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in again
base can see the index now, but I still can't edit.

On 18 October 2012 13:47, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote:

 Le 18/10/12 11:46, John Clegg a écrit :

 Hi John,

 
  I can access the data via phpMyAdmin and make changes. I have added a
  primary key this way, but I'm not sure that Base is seeing that - there
 is
  no sign of it if I edit the table structure in Base.
 

 How is your primary key defined ? - single or multiple field ?

 Additionally, you might have to quit LO completely, and then reload the
 ODB file.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-18 Thread John Clegg
No, same user!

On 18 October 2012 14:18, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote:


 Le 18/10/12 15:10, John Clegg a écrit :
  It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in
  again base can see the index now, but I still can't edit.

 Dumb question perhaps, but : user privileges ? Any difference between
 Base user and phpmyadmin user ?


 Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-18 Thread John Clegg
The structure is very simple - one integer field, indexed unique and 33
fields text(varchar) of varying lengths all unindexed.

On 18 October 2012 14:22, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote:

 Le 18/10/12 15:10, John Clegg a écrit :


  It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in again
  base can see the index now, but I still can't edit.
 

 Can you post the table structure ?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-18 Thread John Clegg
Update - I have now tried connecting with ODBC (MySQL 3.5.1, Win7) rather
than JDBC. The table now becomes editable, but when I make a change I can't
save because I get a message that nothing has changed!

Am I jinxed??


On 18 October 2012 14:28, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote:

 The structure is very simple - one integer field, indexed unique and 33
 fields text(varchar) of varying lengths all unindexed.


 On 18 October 2012 14:22, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote:

 Le 18/10/12 15:10, John Clegg a écrit :


  It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in
 again
  base can see the index now, but I still can't edit.
 

 Can you post the table structure ?

 Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-17 Thread John Clegg
I have a base file attached to a MySQL database on a remote server. I have
a form that I use to view and edit the data in one table.

Others also access the database, and I need to experiment with the data in
that table without molesting the master copy.

One solution would be to make a complete copy of the database, but as I
want to make copies of the main table many times a day that would be a
laborious solution

It is easy to make a duplicate of the main table within the database, and
also easy to make a copy of the form in the base file, but what I need to
do now is point the copy of the form at the copy of the table.

I thought it might be possible to open the odb file as a zip file and find
the form data containing the table name somewhere in it, and edit it to the
copy table name, but I haven't succeeded yet.

Does anybody know if this is possible - or even if there is a much easier
way?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base - need to re-point a form

2012-10-17 Thread John Clegg
That's exactly what I wanted and couldn't find anywhere! I'm very grateful

John

On 17 October 2012 21:14, Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote:



 John Clegg wrote:

 I have a base file attached to a MySQL database on a remote server. I have
 a form that I use to view and edit the data in one table.

 Others also access the database, and I need to experiment with the data in
 that table without molesting the master copy.

 One solution would be to make a complete copy of the database, but as I
 want to make copies of the main table many times a day that would be a
 laborious solution

 It is easy to make a duplicate of the main table within the database, and
 also easy to make a copy of the form in the base file, but what I need to
 do now is point the copy of the form at the copy of the table.

 I thought it might be possible to open the odb file as a zip file and find
 the form data containing the table name somewhere in it, and edit it to
 the
 copy table name, but I haven't succeeded yet.

 Does anybody know if this is possible - or even if there is a much easier
 way?



 John,
 I am assuming you need to change the table that your form points to.  You
 can do this by:

   1. Bring up your form in edit mode (right click on form name and
  select Edit.)
   2. Select the Form Properties window (this is the icon that looks
  like a window with 2 buttons with an arrow pointing to it, and
  with a help balloon that says Form.
   3. In the popup window, select the Data tab.
   4. Change the Content box to the table you want to use from the list.

 If the new table's column (control) names are different, you will have to
 change those too in the form editor.  You do that by Ctrl-left-clicking on
 the form's control box and selecting its Data tab and selecting the new
 name from the list derived from your new table.  Do that for each control
 that has a different name from your old table.
 Hope this helps.
 Girvin Herr


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

2012-10-15 Thread John Clegg
Indeed. Which is why your last answer is also wrong!

On 15 October 2012 15:08, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Am 15.10.2012 10:45, Brian Barker wrote:
  At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
  On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
  could anyone tell me which formula I should use for the integer part
  of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...
 
  The answer could be:
  =IF(C31;0;INT(C3))
 
  You are overthinking the problem: if C3 is positive, that's no different
  from
  =INT(C3)
 
  Brian Barker
 
 

 Reportedly, negative numbers do exist.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] pcl overlay

2012-10-10 Thread John Clegg
+1 to that. And I believe he may be referring to a watermark - but I have
no idea how to do it!

On 10 October 2012 09:08, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I often grumble so this time i wanted to draw attention to some excellent
 behaviour on the users list.  Most times, in most projects, a question
 written in anything other than English on an 'International' list illicits
 a lot of telling-off from various people.

 I think this time the response was unusually excellent.
 1.  There is a direct link so the person can copypaste their question to
 the right list easily
 2.  That message is translated so the list understands the action taken
 3.  There is a neat translation of the question so the list can understand.
 So, now if someone does know the answer to the question they can answer in
 English (or French) and we can take it from there.

 This raises the bar significant;y.  It makes our list look like an
 extremely professional customer support list.
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
 jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net wrote:

 From: Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] pcl overlay
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 8:53

 Hello Hervé,

 [EN version follows]

 Le 10/10/2012 09:24, hs...@villeneuvedascq.fr a écrit :
 
  je souhaite avoir un fond de page en overlay
  avec word on peut utiliser un champ imprimer et y mettre une sequence
  PCL
  comment faire avec LibreOffice

 cette liste est anglophone. Les questions doivent donc y être posées en
 anglais. Il existe également une liste francophone :
 us...@fr.libreoffice.org

 [EN]

 This list is english-speaking, thus you should ask questions here in
 English. There exists a francophone list: us...@fr.libreoffice.org


 Here's a translation of Hervé's question (which I don't understand ;)
 8 -
 I wish to get an overlaid page background.
 With Word one may use a print field and set a PCL sequence there.
 How can I do this using LibO?
 - 8

 Best regards,
 -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-09 Thread John Clegg
Forgive me, but I thought one of the aims of LO was improvements to
usability. I open emails mailed to me dozens of times a day. Doing Save-As,
or clicking the edit button takes little time I agree, but why is it so
wrong to desire that as the default to save me time?

On 9 October 2012 10:18, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Am 09.10.2012 09:14, Marcello Romani wrote:
  Il 08/10/2012 14:13, John Clegg ha scritto:
  OK, if I accept everything that has been said, then why wouldn't
  opening an
  in-memory r/w copy be the sensible default action?
 
  So that when the user would try to save it a Save As dialog would appear
 ?
 
  Sounds good to me.
 

 Again, it is not the office program which creates read-only files. In
 most cases some other application calls the office to *view* some
 document. In most cases the office is called by a browser, mail client
 or cloud application to view online content or mail attachments.

 There are many reasons why this application has a viewing mode. It must
 not open some document in unsaved template mode just because the file is
 read-only. That would be extremely annoying for many users.
 Most of our ODF documents (documentations, print-outs, database forms,
 reports) are strictly read-only because only one person (me, the file
 owner) is supposed to modify these. The co-workers can work with the
 contained material (read, print, mail as PDF, edit databases through
 forms).

 All you've got to do is hitting the edit button in order to get an
 editable new and unsaved document.
 All you've got to do is saving the same document in your own file system
 in order to get your own editable copy of the document.

 Some Microsoft feature carries over the read-only flag when an
 application saves a document under another name. I'd call this a bug. No
 other file system behaves that silly. You need to turn it off in the
 file properties (right-click file in Win ExplorerProperties...).

 There is also an internal read-only mode implemented in the office
 program (FileSave As... save with password, open read-only with
 password). But that is another story. The internal flag within the
 document does not protect the file from being manipulated by other
 applications and the read-only status is carried with every copy of the
 file.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-08 Thread John Clegg
OK, if I accept everything that has been said, then why wouldn't opening an
in-memory r/w copy be the sensible default action?

On 8 October 2012 13:08, Marcello Romani mrom...@ottotecnica.com wrote:

 Il 05/10/2012 17:18, Marcello Romani ha scritto:

 Il 05/10/2012 16:31, webmaster-Kracked_P_P ha scritto:

 On 10/05/2012 10:10 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:

 Il 05/10/2012 11:07, John Clegg ha scritto:

 One feature I miss isn't actually a feature in MSO as such, but LO
 behaves
 differently. If I open a spreadsheet from an email or the web it
 places a
 copy in the download folder/directory and Calc always opens it
 read-only
 whereas Excel opens it as read-write. I would like at least an
 option to
 get Calc to open it as read-write. To do so I have to save a copy
 before I start, and as I do this around 100 times a day it becomes
 quite an
 irritant.


 It's just a modify document button click away. But I guess it's more
 a problem of the web browser or e-mail client rather than OOo/LibO
 as such.

 The browser / e-mail client puts a read-only file in the user temp
 folder, then passes its full path to OOo/LibO for reading. OOo/LibO
 will just notice it's a readonly file and will behave accordingly.

 Hopefully someone with more technicall indsight into this can confirm
 or correct me ?


 This open as a read only is a security feature from before LO came
 out.  I remembering it doing the same with OpenOffice.org and MSO-2003.

 The file, at least with Thunderbird, that come in an email attachment is
 stored in a TEMP folder.  Those files are, by nature, read-only till
 they get saved outside the TEMP [/tmp for Linux] folder.

 I know it is a hassle for people but I really do not want to have any
 email attachments placed in a normal data folder without me saving it
 there.  That way I control what gets saved from the email and then all
 the other stuff is removed with the deletion cycle of the email client's
 TEMP folder content.

 We must think safety first and deal with the hassles like this, or could
 suffer a email that places their attachment file anywhere it wants to be
 and may be overwrite a working file with the same name or worse a system
 file.




 If those files weren't read only there would be other, more serious
 complaints from users (I had one).
 The user would doubleclick on an attachment and have it open r/w in
 OOo/LibO/MSO. He would start modifying it right away (no hassle!), then
 save it. Then close the word processor and forget about it.
 Then after a little while go to the IT guy asking where the hell is that
 document that he just saved.

 Being readonly, instead, forces the user to click on that damned icon,
 so the program produces an in-memory r/w copy of the document that will
 trigger a save as procedure when the user would click save.



 There was a missing bit in my description: if the attachment would be
 opened R/W, the file would be saved in the user's temp folder. So it would
 be lost at best, or in worst case scenario deleted as temp folders gets
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-06 Thread John Clegg
Whilst a condom is always wise I still prefer to put it on for
myself

On 6 October 2012 18:13, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/06/2012 11:37 AM, Spencer Graves wrote:
  On 10/6/2012 6:13 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
  Am 05.10.2012 14:09, John Clegg wrote:
  I thought LO was emulating MSO 97??
 
  Read-only is the only sensible way to open other people's files (web
  downloads, mail attachments).
 
 
Why?
 
 
What if I want to edit it?  Are you outlawing collaborative
  work?  I'm confused.
 
 
Spencer
 
 Spencer

 Usually Save As 'will allow you to create an editable version.

 The issue is security and balancing usefulness and safety. If you are
 only allowed to open with limited privileges (no macro execution or
 editing) the possibility of infecting your computer unintentionally with
 malware is lessened considerably. This gives the users a chance to
 verify before granting full privileges on their computers.

 Having cleaned serious malware infections on friends and coworkers
 computers; the inconvenience is worth the protection. It is not perfect
 but puts another step in the way of disaster.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-05 Thread John Clegg
One feature I miss isn't actually a feature in MSO as such, but LO behaves
differently. If I open a spreadsheet from an email or the web it places a
copy in the download folder/directory and Calc always opens it read-only
whereas Excel opens it as read-write. I would like at least an option to
get Calc to open it as read-write. To do so I have to save a copy
before I start, and as I do this around 100 times a day it becomes quite an
irritant.

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 On 04/10/2012 at 12:54, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote:

  I am missing (compared to MSO) a few features
  in IMPRESS badly

 Could you tell which features do you mean, exactly?
 I am always interested in such comparisons. People all over the web say
 LO is
 missing some features, but such statements tend to not be supported by
 descriptions of features in question.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-05 Thread John Clegg
I thought LO was emulating MSO 97??

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 On 05/10/12 10:07, John Clegg wrote:

 whereas Excel opens it as read-write.

 That behaviour has changed in MS Office 2010 - email attachments are
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Re: [libreoffice-users] documentation for LO base

2012-10-05 Thread John Clegg
I am going to stick my head above the parapet and say it should have an
embedded database functionality that is secure and reliable. That is an
essential requirement for entry-level users that have only ever used Access.

On 5 October 2012 13:34, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote:

 Hi everybody,

 I agree with Mark.

 The question itself is interesting but an answer does not explain anything
 relevant.

 Let us turn the question around:how many people should use LO-Base if
 there was a LibO-version available that is ready to use, reliable, and free
 of problems (bugs).

 If

  its installing instructions should be complete, consequent, and placed

 in one easy to find place

  the program's every single detail should work  -- functions, features,

 processes at a level (e.g.) similar to MSAccess (2003) --the ability to
 build decent reports included (and the embedded db-engine and its guides
 up-dated and supported)

  the guiding documentation ( help) should be logic, understandable and

 in every detail correlating with the program

 With the exception of heavy industrial systems the need and possibilities
 of up to medium complex databases in everyday life at home are unlimited --
 only limited by the decision to start creating.

 There are really nothing difficult in creating such home databases-- no
 need to be an Einstein, if only good guidings are available. Creating
 database applications is also a very interesting form of brain training --
 and the feeling when succeeding is a yippee. If you know how to use
 Writer/Word and Calc/Excel (esp. as databases) you are almost half way.
 What you still has to do is to study and learn some few basic theories
 about and how to create the tables and the queries(experiment manually, not
 with wizards, if you want to learn and understand);creating the forms and
 the reports is just a matter of following instructions.

 If you want LibO to be a popular competitor to MSO ( MSAccess), then the
 rest is only a question of marketing.


 As far as I have experienced LibO-Base (v. 3.4.5), there are only a few
 details left to fixed before LibO should be almost perfect.

 About contributing

 A basic rule in quality systems (ISO9000) is that if you want improvement
 you must first identify the problems (faults, weaknesses) -- and then
 follow up by a plan and an improving activity.

 LibO might be a very fine and usable suit -- especially if also its Base
 module (docs included) should work properly, at least as promised in
 introductions.

 Mr Dan Lewis is doing a good and valuable work when updating and
 completing the Base's documentation and it is obvious that without any help
 his project will take a long time.

 Last winter I started to read and follow up experimenting Dan's docs with
 the intension to send my comments as points of views. And hadquite a lot
 already done.

 At this list I several times also mentioned some quite basic
 problems/faults both in Base's docs and especially in the modules's
 features.

 I never got any kind of response, I don' t know if my proposals were
 noticed, nor do I know if the mentioned things have been fixed.

 So I skipped working any further on experimenting LibO-Base and its docs.
 (I am now back to OO and tries to learn MySQL)

 You may take this as some sort of a contribution too.

 Best regards

 Pertti Rönnberg



 On 4.10.2012 18:04, Mark Stanton wrote:

 Question:  How many people do you know use Base, or have tried to use
 Base?

 Whilst there is some quite valid criticism of Base, I don't think
 answering
 this question says as much about Base as it does about the general usage
 of databases.  They are less familiar than word processors, spreadsheets
 or
 drawing packages.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Update SQL does nothing using Run SQL directly button

2012-10-05 Thread John Clegg
That button, according to the help file, toggles whether the SQL is passed
directly to the database engine or handled by Base first. I'm not quite
sure what that means in effect!

On 5 October 2012 18:12, David S. Crampton david_cramp...@ie2b.com wrote:

 John and the others who responded,

 It took me a while to realize that the useful SQL menu is available only on
 the main / opening window of the db. The SQL button in the Query Design
 view
 still appears to do nothing.

 I'm finally getting some traction. I acknowledge and appreciate the
 stylistic suggestions. This year and month data is very unlikely to
 change
 once the transaction record is accurately entered.

 Thank you, all,
 David



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Opening hybrid pdf in LO 3.6.0.2 results in gibberish

2012-10-04 Thread John Clegg
I did exactly what it says - ie downloaded it, then ran LO and did File
Open and selected the downloaded file. It opened in Draw and was all there
and legible. LO 3.6.1 on Win7

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 documentfoundation.org/2012/**07/17/libreoffice-**infographics/http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/07/17/libreoffice-infographics/and
  tried to open in LO as it said at the bottom of the page. All I get is
 a load of gibberish.
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[libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc

2012-10-03 Thread John Clegg
I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in
Calc gives St George'S

Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying
feature??

LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04

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Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc

2012-10-03 Thread John Clegg
Sorry, I should have checked. It is 53146

On 3 October 2012 16:19, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla.

 bugs.freedesktop.org

 If it's not there, go ahead and report it, definitely a relatively easy
 thing to fix.

 Regards,
 Joel

 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote:

 I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in
 Calc gives St George'S

 Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying
 feature??

 LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Update SQL does nothing using Run SQL directly button

2012-10-03 Thread John Clegg
Base will only run SELECT statements that way. If you want to use other
than SELECT the only way IIRC is to use Tools-SQL which opens Execute SQL
statement but can only handle typed stuff, not stored queries. It is
useful for one-off tasks such as merging two tables into one or doing a
field update as you describe.

On 4 October 2012 00:27, David S. Crampton david_cramp...@ie2b.com wrote:

 Register1a is a table with field Trans-Date of type TIMESTAMP. Field
 Trans-Date-Year is either TIMESTAMP or INTERGER. I have tried with both.

 Update Register1a Set Register1a.Trans-Date-Year =
 YEAR(Register1a.Trans-Date);

 Looks like is should be a very simple SQL statement. It does absolutely
 nothing.

 The statement won't run with the F5 key (the run button). It gives The
 given command is not a SELECT statement.

 I'm trying to apply SQL learned elsewhere, mostly in MicroBloat Access, and
 I'm getting nowhere.

 Help will be appreciated.

 David



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Can Calc read/import data from Google Docs?

2012-09-28 Thread John Clegg
But it's so easy!

In Google Docs open the spreadsheet and select File, Download as, ODS.
That's it!

John

On 27 September 2012 20:57, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Ok, this is probably not what you are looking for but just to clear the
 idea out of the way ... Can you just open the google-docs spreadsheet and
 save it onto your computer?  Then just double-clicking on it should open it
 in Calc.

 Google-docs uses the same native format as LO but both can save as .xls or
 .xlsX (MS formats) and Google-docs might do that by default.  If
 Google-docs does that instead of saving in native .odS then you can
 probably choose OpenDocument Format from Google-doc's Save As ... 
 menu.  Double-clicking on the .ods almost definitely opens the file in Calc.

 Alternatively if it has saved as .xls or .xlsX then right-click the file
 and choose Open With and then try to find Calc or LibreOffice in that
 menu.  This approach is slightly different in different OSes but is roughly
 the same in all except Apples.

 A similar alternative is to open Calc (or just LibreOffice) and then
 dragdrop the file onto it.  This approach will definitely work whatever
 format it's in unless something really weird is going on in which case
 tells us and we might be able to figure it out.


 However i have a feeling that you don't want to download the file at all
 and just want LO to dynamically read the Google-docs spreadsheet while
 other people are editing the google-docs spreadsheet.  If so then i think
 there is a far better answer but it involves using Base at your end and
 having a proper database on a server somewhere.

 So, the question is do you want to do this with static data (as in my
 first 4 paragraphs), or dynamically changing data?
 Regards from
 Tom :)






 
  From: Michael Reich reich.mi...@gmail.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012, 18:24
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Can Calc read/import data from Google Docs?
 
 I'm trying to figure out if I can have a Calc (OpenOffice or LibreOffice)
 spreadsheet import data from a Google Docs spreadsheet. The online
 assistance via google search is very confusing and seems mostly oriented
 toward importing data to Google Docs.  What I want is a local sheet that
 can pull several cells of info (like names and addresses) from a Google
 Docs spreadsheet, but I can't figure out what function and syntax, if any,
 can do this in OO or LO.  Is this possible to do?  If so, I apparently need
 the idiot's instructions.
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: python reading calc

2012-09-24 Thread John Clegg
Andreas - why are you always so grumpy?? Chill !

On 24 September 2012 08:16, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Instead of running tests, how about debugging your program and reading
 some
 documentation?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-09-20 Thread John Clegg
I think this is a very fair point. Versions of Ubuntu have an LTS version
without stopping the development chain progress. It would be really useful
to have a really mature and settled LTS version of LO that businesses could
use with confidence.

On 20 September 2012 12:06, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote:

 Dear mr Webmaster,
 I agree with you about the risks with Microsoft's possible actions in the
 future -- let us hope we are wrong.

 I am afraid you got me wrong -- my fault.
 What I meant by the break in developing LibO, was that the LibO's
 developers for a while should stop proceeding.
 They must take one specific version of LibO (especially for Windows as the
 main OS) and make it absolutely free of bugs and failures -- and plus that
 make the documentations complete and understandable (and thus usable) for
 ordinary non-expert computer users.
 And then - after that - continue again.

 Why? Because I have been a Windows user since early -80 and installed
 OpenO decades ago.
 Last January this year I downloaded LibO (3.4.5) with the main intention
 to use Base -- but experienced that much problems - first with the
 installing  JRE and then with many basic functions and especially with the
 embedded HDBSQL and especially with the quite horrible unlogical
 documentations -- that I have given up. I am quite sure that I am not alone!

 Since January I have followed the discussions on this list and am getting
 even more convinced that LibO is not really meant for ordinary people as an
 alternative to MSO. It seems mainly to be a playground for a group of
 open-source enthusiasts with a language of their own.

 Whom are the new features and finesses meant for, when there is no general
 info about them and no guiding documentation until 3-4 version generations
 later? Meanwhile they have only caused problems.

 When I download a what-ever program for my needs, I want it to work and to
 work stable and smoothly.
 I have no need nor time to struggle with different problems, to
 investigate and test different workarounds -- nor asking for help and
 waiting perhaps days for an answer that might help if I only happen to
 understand the advice.

 Frustration can easily be limited by paying to Microsoft.
 Best regards
 Pertti Rönnberg


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 I have not bought any MSO past MSO-2003.  I moved to OpenOffice.org [as
 soon as it read/saved .doc files] till LO 3.3.0 came out.  Then I moved to
 LO for all my systems, Windows and Linux.

 Now I create/update the NA-DVD [http://libreoffice-na.us/**
 English-3.5-installs/index.**htmlhttp://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/index.html]
 project and a 773,000 American Spelling Dictionary for LO.


 On 09/19/2012 01:11 PM, John Clegg wrote:


 Which is why I started migrating 3 months ago! I haven't had to go back
 once.

 On Sep 19, 2012 4:57 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
 webmas...@krackedpress.com 
 mailto:webmaster@**krackedpress.comwebmas...@krackedpress.com
 wrote:


 No, it is not a good idea to take a break.

 But it is time to tell those people who do use MSO that they are
 changing their pricing policy and almost forcing their users to
 rent their products in the near future.

 It is time that the users start thinking about their long term use
 of MS's Office and other business software.  You no longer will be
 able to buy their products in any reasonable price, for MS that
 is, and not know if you rent it for X dollars for the first year,
 it will not go up to 150% of X dollars in year two.  You will then
 have to pay their ransom or you loose the ability to use the
 software on your computer.

 Then there is the multi-license discount - or should it be the end
 of the multi-license discount.  Businesses with 50 or 100
 computers will be required to but a single user license for every
 computer at $150+ per license.  The rental agreement plan is not
 that much better of an option.

 So now you can say that every computer they own can have a copy of
 LO for free.  Every updated or new version of LO will be free,
 unlike MSO's policy.  No need to rent or buy anything office suite
 package anymore.  FREE now and FREE in the future.

 MSO just wants to force a user to pay them over and over for the
 same software, for as long as you live.  Then when you die, you
 heirs will be forced to pay MS's blood money for the rest of their
 lives.  This maybe a good plan as a revenue generation, but not
 for the users.

 On 09/19/2012 11:22 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

 Hi LiBO folks and especially LibO developers
 Microsoft's desicion to start renting their software puts
 ordinary people (and companies) in a fortune with very
 uncertain costs ahead.

 Should it not be now - if ever! - the perfect time for the
 LibO devs to take a break in developing new features

Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with Scoring Bi-nominal Responses

2012-09-20 Thread John Clegg
How about:

T2 = 4 * (F2 AND (L2=3))

On 21 September 2012 06:34, Paul Anderson panders...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to all for the previous help,

 Also, sorry if you have addressed this already, Brian. But, I know only
 basic functions within the spreadsheet and will request a more explanatory
 example.
 The file was delivered in xlsx format. I would like to maintain the format
 (using LibreOffice!), but I may have to look to other software.

 Here is an example of my first two rows of data, cells F23 through S23,
 with F1-S1 containing variable names

 *F* *G* *H* *I* *J* *K* *L* *M* *N*
 *O* *P* *Q* *R* *S*
 0   1   0   1   0   0   1   0   0   0
   0   0   0   0
 1   0   1   1   0   0   1   0   0   0
   1   0   0   0


 Using a simple example with only two cells (F2L2), I want T2 to equal a
 'score' based on a weighted index, like this:

 IF F2=0 then T2=0; else T2=T2+1;
 (Where F2 can only take on a value of 0 or 1)
 AND
 IF L2=0 OR L2=1 OR L2=2 then T2=T2+0; else T2=T2+3
 (Where L2 can take on a value of 0,1,2,or 3)

 So that:

 T2 = 0 (if F2=0 and L2=0,1,or 2)
 OR
 T2 = 4 (if F2=1 and L2=3)

 I haven't been able to create the proper syntax for this simple two cell
 scoring.
 How can I not only score an individual cell but also link it with another
 cell in the same row?
 A simple demonstration will be adequate so that I can create my specific
 and more complicated function.

 I hope I have stated my needs in a clearer fashion this time around, and
 thanks to everyone for the previous help.

 Regards,
 -Paul

 On 9/19/2012 11:58 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

 Le 19/09/2012 07:03, Paul Anderson a écrit :

 Hello all,

 I have a simple question for which I cannot find the answer.

 I have a LibreCalc spreadsheet containing binomial data for which I
 would like to create a final summed score (in Column T) based upon a
 manually specified score index.

 Columns F, G, H, J, K, M, N, O, P, O, and R contain pure binomial
 information (0 or 1)
 Columns I, L, and S contain multiple numbered responses:
 I = 0,1,3
 L = 0,1,2,3
 S = 0,1,2

 I want to create a final score (Column T) based upon numerical responses
 (in Columns F-S)


 All this makes me think of binary data, hence to have columns F..R
 (except I, L  S) set to hold either 0 or a power of 2.
 F would hold 0 or 1
 G0 or 2
 H0 or 4
 J0 or 8
 and so forth.

 Then, adding any group of columns would then give a unique meaningful
 value:
 -- if you add F+G+H and get 3, you know that only F and G are set
 -- if you AND F+G+H with, say, 2, you may check if G (value 2) is set :
 if G AND 2 = 2 then G is set (in Calc use the BITAND function)

 As I don't know exactly what you're looking to achieve, perhaps my idea
 is useless.

 Anyway, just my two euro-cents,






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't send document as e-mail attachment to Opera Mail

2012-09-17 Thread John Clegg
There is a great little programme in Windows called Affixa. Just need
something similar for Linux really...

On 17 September 2012 17:07, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

yes, I agree - that is a great idea.

The only way, I know, is to allow LO to open whatever, then save the
 attachment, then add this attachment to the correct e-mail.



 On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 6:15 AM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/9/16 Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com
 
   Thats a tricky one. I don't exactly have a solution to the opera
 problem
   but it might be best to associate the email client (Thunderbird maybe?)
   as the default. From the best of my knowledge the opera browser can not
   become associated with the *.eml format which Thunderbird  Evolution
   use? -- As an aside what is the reason your using the M2 Client? from
 my
   own experience it has loads of issues and is not as half as good as
   thunderbird or evolution for that matter
  
   I almost feel like I am talking through a hole in my head.
   On Sun, 16 Sep 2012, at 12:10 AM, wpost wrote:
I use LibreOffice 3.4.5, and Opera 12.02 as a mail client, running
  Linux
Mint
Debian Edition 201204. LibreOffice has a send document as email
command.
Searching the web, I see it works fine with some other mail clients
(Thunderbird, etc.) on Linux. But when I try it, I get the error
  message:
   
LibreOffice was unable to find a working e-mail configuration.
 Please
save
this document locally instead and attach it from within your e-mail
client.
   
The relevant configuration appears to be found at Tools - Options -
Internet
- Email. I've tried opera, /usr/bin/opera, and  /usr/bin/opera
--remote
'openComposer(new-window)' (all without the double quotes). All of
 the
above work from the terminal, and the latter (taken from Opera's
documentation) opens a new message composition window, but none make
LibreOffice's error go away.
   
Searching the web, this list, and LibreOffice's Get Help references
  turns
up
nothing relevant.
   
I'm out of ideas. Does anyone know how to make LibreOffice and Opera
  Mail
play together?
  
 
  A feature I should greatly like to see in LibreOffice is one allowing a
  user to choose a webmail service, e g, Gmail, as the default, rather than
  an email client like Thunderbird or Evolution. This is easily done on,
 say,
  Ubuntu, by installing the Gnome Gmail package ; it would be wonderful if
  one of the LibreOffice developers could modify this package or create a
  different one which would resolve this problem for LibreOffice users
 
  Henri
 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Where to store a simple database?

2012-09-16 Thread John Clegg
Thank you, that's very useful. However it has confirmed to me that I
shouldn't use MySQL in this instance! All that packing and unpacking looks
rather like your description of Embedded HSQL.

I have made some progress with SQLite3, and I think this is the answer for
me.



On 15 September 2012 11:31, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Someone found his way to share a database on Dropbox:
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13t=41238
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13t=54988
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13t=44131




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[libreoffice-users] Where to store a simple database?

2012-09-14 Thread John Clegg
I am using LO 3.5.6 on Windows 7 and also recently on Ubuntu 12.04

I have been eagerly migrating all my usage from Microsoft Office to LO, and
I would appreciate some advice on converting from Access.

I have one project which consists of a fairly modest flat file (896 records
of 33 fields), but I have a number of well established queries that I use
with it and once a year I link the data to an imported direct debit
accounts table and export a CSV file which I convert to XML (using a python
script) for sending to the direct debit company. So SQL access to the data
is vital. The data is stored in Dropbox so it can be accessed from Windows
or Ubuntu easily - but never simultaneously. I do have access to a MySQL
server as part of my web hosting but I would rather not bother with setting
one up locally for just this application.

My original approach was to just use embedded HSQL, but I have got the
message that this is a BAD IDEA, although it does work well with storing
the data in Dropbox.

I tried storing the data as an ods file (in Dropbox) and attaching my Base
file to that, but the SQL functionality is too restricted.

So, where should I store the data? Can I use SQLite to store the data in
Dropbox? Or should I bite the bullet and store it in the SQL server
where I wouldn't be able to get at it without Internet access? (Dropbox of
course keeps local copies which it synchronises). Or is this one use use
where embedded HSQL really is the right answer??

All views appreciated!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Where to store a simple database?

2012-09-14 Thread John Clegg
Whilst your answer is no doubt rigorous it lacks a little in the
helpfulness class!

You have explained many times before that base is not a database and
embedded hsql is evil. You haven't really explained why in either case, but
then I am much the same in declaiming Apple as the evil empire.

You focussed on cloud as if I had my head in it, I don't. Let me state it
again in less inflammatory ways - I want the database held in a single file
with no need for an engine - hence SQLite seemed ideal. So that is the way
I am pursuing but I am hitting snags (like ODBCConfig resolutely refusing
to install) so I was rather hoping somebody might come up with an
alternative or some help.

In the meantime, unless somebody can really convince me that embedded HSQL
is a disastrous approach I shall have to stick with that.

Incidentally stand alone HSQL seems to rely on java, and most of the
cognoscenti suggest avoiding java, so I shall!


On 14 September 2012 16:27, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Am 14.09.2012 16:41, John Clegg wrote:

 where I wouldn't be able to get at it without Internet access? (Dropbox of
 course keeps local copies which it synchronises). Or is this one use use
 where embedded HSQL really is the right answer??

 All views appreciated!


 Of course you can not access cloud content without internet access. This
 office suite is a most conservative *desktop* application and Base is NOT a
 database program. Just like MS Access it lets you connect to various types
 of databases so you can access your data in this office suite. The whole
 thing does not know anything about a so called cloud.
 No, the *embedded* HSQLDB is not an option. It is even much worse than the
 JET database embedded in MS Access.
 A stand-alone HSQLDB server may be a very good database solution if it
 fits your needs. You can run the same tiny Java program on all platforms as
 server, as client and in cached mode. But again, all this has nothing to do
 with any cloud computing. It just works with client-server connections or
 with plain single-user file access. If you are able to backup your files,
 the medium should not matter.
 If you need to access the same database from various places, it is about
 nothing but database servers.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: not create a dot file in same folder as document when opening it for viewing

2012-09-13 Thread John Clegg
Could you just not exclude this directory from the backup?

On 13 September 2012 15:29, Enda enda...@yahoo.com wrote:

 When I backup all the files, I like to see which files are being backed
 up, if the folder has changed (by having a file created and deleted) I see
 this folder I when I backup. I would rather not see folders that have not
 really changed.


 (I am not trying to open the file more than once.)


 - Enda


 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Cc:
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: not create a dot file in same folder
 as document when opening it for viewing

 What does it prevent you from doing? Are you trying to open this file
 more than once? You see, I'm confused why you need to override this
 function of LO. Since the dot files are hidden anyway, I don't see what
 difference the existence of these files make. The answer to my questions
 might enlighten me.

 --Dan

 On 09/13/2012 10:00 AM, Enda wrote:
  I am the only user on the system. When I view a file, a dot file (like
 .~lock.file.doc#) is created. How can I override (stop) this in LibreOffice?
 
 
  - Enda
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Cc:
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: not create a dot file in same
 folder as document when opening it for viewing
 
  On 09/12/2012 09:23 AM, Enda wrote:
  OS: Ubuntu
 
  Calligra does not create a dot file when viewing files, is there an
 option to turn this off in LibreOffice?
 
 
  - Enda
  Do you want multiple users to be able to edit the file at the same time?
  I think this is causing confusion on the list.
 
  Often a program will create a lock file to prevent other users from
  modifying a file while someone is editing the file. This is a fairly
  common procedure and in some programs can be over ridden.
 
  A dot file can also refer to the MSO XP Word template with *.dot
  extension.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Cc:
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:41 PM
  Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: not create a dot file in same folder
 as document when opening it for viewing
  Am 11.09.2012 18:01, Enda Noname wrote:
  Can Libreoffice not create a dot file in same folder as document when
  opening it for viewing?
  .~lock.file.doc#
  Is it really that difficult to tell us exactly about the situation? We
  don't even know the operating system.
  Is it really that difficult to copy some documents into a test
  directory, display hidden files and open them read-only?
 
  4 tests on Linux:
  1) libreoffice -view blah.odt [no lock file]
  2) chmod -w blah.odt
  libreoffice blah.odt [no lock file]
  3) menu:FileOpen... [X] Read Only [no lock file]
  4) menu:Save As... [X]Password blah2.odt with a read-only password
  close, re-open blah2.odt [creates a lock file]
 
 
 


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