from:"webmaster\-Kracked_P


On 02/21/2013 04:01 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2013-02-20 21:33, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

On 02/20/2013 05:11 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 14:36 20/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote:

Europe A4 size


Perhaps that should be
everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size.

Brian Barker




I do not know about the rest of the world.
I knew that Europe tend to use A4.

Why USA and Canada uses letter size when the rest use A4, who knows.



Here is a short history on it:

http://www.serif.com/blog/a-quick-history-on-a4-and-letter-paper-sizes/

Canada follows the US for obvious reasons. IMO, I would rather follow 
with the A4 and metric sizes, we should all be following the metric 
sizing.


Cheers,

Marc



The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time.  We are 
using more metric in manufacturing, but for use in the home or business, 
people grew up learning the English system of feet/inches, 
pounds/ounces, cup/gallon, instead of all of the base-ten metric 
measurements.


Yes, if we taught our kids from the early ages to use metric along with 
what we use now, maybe we can get them to be more use to the metric 
system so we can move to it someday as an equal to our current system.  
Of course, business use letter size paper, letter size storage, letter 
size presentation devices to hold their letter size paper, and the list 
goes on and on.  All those things that are based on the letter size 
paper and cannot fit the A4 size paper will have to be replaced so they 
can fit both sizes - as a standard size - before business will be 
thinking about using A4 regularly.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Does Libre Office have its own distinct set of fonts?


On 02/21/2013 12:01 PM, Paddy Landau wrote:

I am wondering if Libre Office has a separate set of fonts from the operating
system, or at least some of the fonts.

I'll explain my problem.

If I have a look at Character Map to find a character that I want (let's say
it is an aeroplane), I can find it in the Webdings font (Unicode 00d2, or
Ò). See screenshot 1:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4039236/Character_Map.png

But when I use that character in Libre Office and set the font to Webdings,
it shows a different character, specifically an in-box. See screenshot 2:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4039236/Libre_Office_characters.png

Note that not all characters do this. For example, the first 52 characters
(A-Z and a-z) are correct.

I would like to know how to solve this discrepancy, so that I can search for
characters in Character Map (or an equivalent program) and then use them in
Libre Office. (I have tried an alternative program, Specimen Font Viewer,
and it shows the same thing as Character Map.)

I am using Linux Ubuntu 12.04 (64-bit, fully updated) with Libre Office
4.0.0.3 (installed directly from the Libre Office website).

Thank you.





My 12.04 shows a list of fonts at
/opt/libreoffice4.0/share/fonts/truetype/

They are mostly DejaVu and Liberation fonts but there are others 
listed as well.


I made sure the fonts listed there were also listed in the /.fonts/ 
hidden folder.  that way I had the same fonts for all my packages.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes


On 02/21/2013 12:11 PM, James Knott wrote:

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time.


It failed because Ronald Regan canceled Jimmy Carter's plans to move 
to it.


Economicsis the key.  We do have most things in the grocery store 
listing both English and Metric measurements.  That is for economics as 
well, since these items would not need different package designs for the 
regions of the world that speak English and use metric.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes


On 02/21/2013 12:32 PM, steveedmonds wrote:


They use a page margin of  0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between
columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around
them.  This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option
active that shrinks to fit page, or similar.

The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3
column/panel brochure/flier.  I have made many brochures over the past
year with LO using this margin setup.  It might work for you.

krackedpress wrote

Here are two brochure templates.  Since Tom had some questions about
margins and such for hand folded brochures, here are the templates I
use, or at least the letter size one.

They use a page margin of  0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between
columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around
them.  This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option
active that shrinks to fit page, or similar.

The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3
column/panel brochure/flier.  I have made many brochures over the past
year with LO using this margin setup.  It might work for you.

Hi.
I also add a fine tick line a couple of mm (1/8) long  right at the edge of
the paper  in the centre of each column break, top and bottom, as folding
guides. Really fine and if necessary gray so they can just be seen.
Steve




I have made some folding guides before.  Use some dotted line that is 
really light gray and not long.  I made sure there was one on top and on 
the bottom of the page so the folder could use them to line up the edge.


For LO, I would use
Separator line
the dotted line
0.25pt width
35%
Centered
Gray 10%

or something similar if I was printing in bw or a color that matches 
the color of the paper.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Does Libre Office have its own distinct set of fonts?


On 02/21/2013 05:58 PM, John Talbut wrote:

On 21/02/13 19:07, Paddy Landau wrote:

jowyta wrote

Webdings is a M$ font, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webdings
and is not Unicode.


Yes, the font is not Unicode; the font is merely the way to display a
character. The character is Ò (Unicode D2), but the Webdings font 
displays

it as an aeroplane rather than as a capital O with an accent on top.

The Webdings font is installed on my machine.

Unfortunately, this doesn't answer the question; why is Libre Office 
using

the wrong character for the font?


I think it is a question of what you define as wrong. LibreOffice 
uses Unicode and will correctly display Unicode characters in any font 
that includes the character.


The allocation of character codes to Webdings does not seem to be 
consistent and I have been unable to find an authoritative list. I 
have Webdings installed (it comes with ttf-mscorefonts via Debian).  
In my case the Ò character also displays as an inbox tray character 
using Webdings, the Webding aeroplane character code does not seem to 
display anything in other fonts.


So I think the answer to this question is that what LibreOffice 
displays depends on which Webdings font you have installed on your 
machine.  The font is not part of LibreOffice.


I think the answer to solving the discrepancy is to stick to Unicode 
fonts which should be consistent across all systems.




I have seen this issue with same font name but different font.  I have 
two fonts that call themselves Garamond but look different side by 
side.  Then there are the fonts that are touted to be the same, with the 
same file name, but are different depending on where it came from or 
even the version from the same font designer.  That is why I have over 
100,000 of them and many with the same name.


Now, if you really need a character glyph, that is not a letter, to be 
the same between systems, make it an image and use that and not a font.  
99 times out of 100, the receiver of the document will not have your 
specialty font installed or even the same version installed, so their 
document will look different.  That is why I never send editable 
documents to a person that I know might not have the EXACT font[s] that 
I am using.  I do not even use Export to PDF, but CUPS-PDF.  I know 
CUPS-PDF will embed the font but I do not know if Export to PDF will 
embed the more specialty ones.  I just have not compared all my fonts 
since 3.4 days with a system that does not have my core 400+ font 
files - most versions/styles of/for font names like DejaVu and other 
ones that I may use a lot and the others are very specialty ones that 
are used for decorative needs.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letterand A4 sizes



I use inches, but I have used cm when I needed to create a drawing 
that used a scale of say 1 cm per foot or some other thing that was 
large and needed to fit on a letter size paper, like a building 's 
network layout to scale.  Try making a building the size of a football 
field [American-football or soccer-football] onto one letter size page.


But, whenever I work with printed documents and not drawings, I use inches.

I am use to doing it.  The people I deal with are use to it.  If I was 
going to use picas or any other measurement, they would not understand 
me.  I have had laid printing type before so I use to deal with 
typesetting, but that was in the 70's and long before a computer was 
smaller than a refrigerator and not a desktop item. Now with desktop 
publishing and all that comes with it, typesetting concepts seem to no 
longer be something businesses are willing to deal with.  Even 
professional printer hardly ever use a printing press that uses hand 
laid type anymore.  It is all computer based and transfered to printing 
plates via laser and photo methods.


SO
like most I know, I use whatever is easiest for me to deal with. I know 
of some people that use metric for most of their work, and they live 
within a mile or three from me in New York State USA and our 
inch/foot/yard system.  The same goes with software.  I have not learned 
draw, yet, since I use other vector-graphics package for too many years 
to stop now and relearn another free package to do the same.  I use 
Inkscape for Windows and Linux, and before that I used Corel Draw.


So, if you prefer to use picas, points, or some other measurement, then 
that is what works the best for you and no one can say their's would be 
the measurement method over yours.  There are too many people that 
believe that, even if they can be proven wrong.


But, I also define web page fonts by points instead of any other size 
measurement in my style sheets [.css].  But that is not what was asked.



On 02/21/2013 06:19 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Let me shift gears slightly.

What measurement unit do y'all use in your Writer rulers and 
margin/spacing settings. I've set mine to use Picas, which is a 
traditional unit of measurement for typesetting. It's equal to 1/6 
inch and provides for very tight control of a document.


Do others use Picas? If not, what are you using?

Virgil

-Original Message- From: Virgil Arrington
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:46 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letterand 
A4 sizes



Children throughout the world can do it. Even you could!  You'll

never do it until you determine to do so; the only problem is that
you haven't yet tried.

You're absolutely right, I haven't tried, because I've had no reason 
to. My
system has worked for me (and my fellow Americans) for my entire 57 
years on

Earth. Until it stops working, I'm quite happy to keep using it.

I guess my point is that having something better isn't necessarily 
enough
motivation to produce change. I fully agree that the metric system is 
better

than the English. But, my English system works. I fully and accurately
measure things every day with it, and I effectively communicate those
measurements to others. Until it stops working, I have little 
motivation to

change.

Virgil





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[libreoffice-users] no longer can erase the .config/libreoffice files and get them remade



I had some problems with LO4 and I just did the erase/removal of the 
/libreoffice/ in the .config folder.  Well it caused these two errors, 
even after I reinstalled LO 4.


We use to just rename the .libreoffice folder, but not it is in the 
.config folder.  When I renamed the /libreoffice/ folder [which has 
both /3 and /4 folders] and restarted LO4, I got the following errors.  
Then I reinstalled LO4 [64-bit DEB] and I still got the errors.  
Something is not right here.



Error loading BASIC of document 
file:///home/timothy/.config/libreoffice/4/user/basic/Standard/script.xlb/:

General Error.
General input/output error.


Error loading BASIC of document 
file:///home/timothy/.config/libreoffice/4/user/basic/Standard/dialog.xlb/:

General Error.
General input/output error.

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By-the-way

can I remove the .libreoffice folder since LO now has its stuff in 
the .config folder system?




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[libreoffice-users] brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes



Here are two brochure templates.  Since Tom had some questions about 
margins and such for hand folded brochures, here are the templates I 
use, or at least the letter size one.


They use a page margin of  0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between 
columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around 
them.  This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option 
active that shrinks to fit page, or similar.


The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 
column/panel brochure/flier.  I have made many brochures over the past 
year with LO using this margin setup.  It might work for you.


US Letter size
http://libreoffice-na.us/brochure-template-1.ott

Europe A4 size
http://libreoffice-na.us/brochure-template-1--a4.ott


If someone want me to, I can make them a bit better and with 
instructions on how to use them for the different folding styles. Then 
they can be placed into the Template Center.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: another funny one from ZdNet


On 02/20/2013 04:19 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/20/2013 02:52 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 06:18:44PM +0600, Urmas wrote:

The article is very pro-LibreOffice but so many of the comments
have a hilarious amount of FUD in them.  One wonders if they have
ever even tried either MSO or LO.

Most people who own StarOffice or many of its forks don't use it.
They just open and print documents with it. If someone tried to
actually use it as a word processor, he would find some of 5+ years
old bugs and lack of features much earlier.
Nowadays there is no free alternative to MS Office suite and costly
third-party utilities: spellchecker, bibliography/formula editors
and so on.

That's a hilarious statement from someone posting to a list dedicated to
a free alternative to MS Office.


When was the last version released?



Are you talking about release of StarOffice or LO?

No free alternative to MSO?  No spell checkers, etc.? Something is not 
right somewhere.


LO is touted as THE best alternative to MSO.  How many spell checking 
dictionaries do you want?  200+ is my last count, with about 20 
localized Spanish ones.  My own American English one has over 797,000 
words in it.  Grammar checkers are the problem, though.  No one makes 
one that works well for all its users.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes


On 02/20/2013 05:11 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 14:36 20/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote:

Europe A4 size


Perhaps that should be 
everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size.


Brian Barker




I do not know about the rest of the world.
I knew that Europe tend to use A4.

Why USA and Canada  uses letter size when the rest use A4, who knows.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Any plans to incorporate anything from the Lotus Symphony UI?

2013-02-19 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote:


On 19/02/13 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote:


Hello,

I read recently that IBM had finally donated all of the Lotus Symphony UI
code to AOO...

Are there any plans to at least take a look at this code and possibly
cherry pick it to give a facelift for LO? I don't want (hate!) the ribbon
in MSO, but would love to see the UI with a decent facelift/refresh...


As far as I know there are no such plans.


Best Regards,
Joel

The only thing I heard about this, in the past, was the possibilityof 
adding Tabbed documents, like you find in browsers using new tab or 
new window. Adding that might take a lot of work.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0Persona/Themes



sorry, should not have popped off like that.  Going to a major doctor 
appointment in an hour or so.


I tried to darken the skin, but no matter how dark I make it, it does 
not look good with light/white text - unless I go very dark.


Will make it into a theme and see if it gets approved.


On 02/18/2013 08:25 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


Well, I could make it much darker, but then I would have to use White 
text.


It looks good on my Ubuntu's LCD monitor, and my Win7 laptop.

So decide, dark background and white text or light background with the 
default black text.


OR you could go and make a theme yourself and submit it to Firefox and 
get it approved.  Then use that one.



On 02/18/2013 07:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I guess it depends somewhat on how your monitor is set-up.  I have 2 
that are both supposedly 'correct' but one is a lot darker than the 
other.  I put correct in single quotes because i think both those 
monitors are a bit wonky and wouldn't be good for editing images.

Regards from
Tom :)







From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013, 5:16
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 
Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0Persona/Themes


I really like how my LibreOffice Reptile Skin 1 Persona design 
works out on LibreOffice 4.0.0.

Seriously? It's so bright that it's unusable.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0Persona/Themes



You have to define it during the submission process.  You give it a 
name, define the header and footer images, and you define the text and 
accent colors for menu text.


I do not know of any way to change the menu text in a persona if the 
designer chose the wrong color for the user.


I try to use either a white color for dark backgrounds or black for the 
light background.  Maybe later, I will make some backgrounds that will 
look good with some colored text.  I test my persona/theme designs with 
Firefox before I submit them.  I do not know of a way to do that with 
LibreOffice, but maybe later.


Of course, if you can get a hold of the designer, you could let them 
know that a specific theme and its menu text color did not work for your 
system.


My light reptile skin worked well with my systems, and another's but a 
user on this list stated it was not working for them.  SO, I decided 
to make a really dark version of the same theme and using white text 
instead of black.


Sorry this does not help you.  For me there are a lot of themes out 
there that seemed to have dark images and dark text, or others where the 
text color was not standing out enough to use.



On 02/18/2013 12:03 PM, Scott Castaline wrote:

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When you say White text are you referring to the menu bar text? If so,
how do you get it to display in white? I'm using a persona from
Firefox and I have click on a spot where I think the correct menu is
to get the drop down. In Firefox and Thunderbird all of the text in
the menu bar is white so the black background doesn't hide, but in
Libre the text remains in black, so the text is lost in the background.


On 02/18/2013 08:25 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

Well, I could make it much darker, but then I would have to use
White text.

It looks good on my Ubuntu's LCD monitor, and my Win7 laptop.

So decide, dark background and white text or light background with
the default black text.

OR you could go and make a theme yourself and submit it to Firefox
and get it approved.  Then use that one.


On 02/18/2013 07:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :) I guess it depends somewhat on how your monitor is set-up.
I have 2 that are both supposedly 'correct' but one is a lot
darker than the other.  I put correct in single quotes because
i think both those monitors are a bit wonky and wouldn't be good
for editing images. Regards from Tom :)






 From: Urmas
davian...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent:
Monday, 18 February 2013, 5:16 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re:
Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 Persona / 33+ designs for LO
4.0.0Persona/Themes


I really like how my LibreOffice Reptile Skin 1 Persona
design works out on LibreOffice 4.0.0.

Seriously? It's so bright that it's unusable.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0Persona/Themes


Edit:

Just noticed that LibreOffice does not use the defined text coloring.
I do not know where you can change the font color of the menus.

So, I wonder why LO is not using the persona/theme menu colors. Since 
LO's menu text color is black, you will have to use the lighter colored 
themes.



On 02/18/2013 12:34 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


You have to define it during the submission process.  You give it a 
name, define the header and footer images, and you define the text and 
accent colors for menu text.


I do not know of any way to change the menu text in a persona if the 
designer chose the wrong color for the user.


I try to use either a white color for dark backgrounds or black for 
the light background.  Maybe later, I will make some backgrounds that 
will look good with some colored text.  I test my persona/theme 
designs with Firefox before I submit them.  I do not know of a way to 
do that with LibreOffice, but maybe later.


Of course, if you can get a hold of the designer, you could let them 
know that a specific theme and its menu text color did not work for 
your system.


My light reptile skin worked well with my systems, and another's but 
a user on this list stated it was not working for them.  SO, I 
decided to make a really dark version of the same theme and using 
white text instead of black.


Sorry this does not help you.  For me there are a lot of themes out 
there that seemed to have dark images and dark text, or others where 
the text color was not standing out enough to use.



On 02/18/2013 12:03 PM, Scott Castaline wrote:

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When you say White text are you referring to the menu bar text? If so,
how do you get it to display in white? I'm using a persona from
Firefox and I have click on a spot where I think the correct menu is
to get the drop down. In Firefox and Thunderbird all of the text in
the menu bar is white so the black background doesn't hide, but in
Libre the text remains in black, so the text is lost in the background.


On 02/18/2013 08:25 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

Well, I could make it much darker, but then I would have to use
White text.

It looks good on my Ubuntu's LCD monitor, and my Win7 laptop.

So decide, dark background and white text or light background with
the default black text.

OR you could go and make a theme yourself and submit it to Firefox
and get it approved.  Then use that one.


On 02/18/2013 07:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :) I guess it depends somewhat on how your monitor is set-up.
I have 2 that are both supposedly 'correct' but one is a lot
darker than the other.  I put correct in single quotes because
i think both those monitors are a bit wonky and wouldn't be good
for editing images. Regards from Tom :)






 From: Urmas
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Monday, 18 February 2013, 5:16 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re:
Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 Persona / 33+ designs for LO
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I really like how my LibreOffice Reptile Skin 1 Persona
design works out on LibreOffice 4.0.0.

Seriously? It's so bright that it's unusable.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0Persona/Themes



Yes, they defined the text to be white, but LibreOffice does not use 
that color definition, or something like that.  LO does not use the 
footer image, either, is seems.





On 02/18/2013 01:57 PM, Scott Castaline wrote:

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Hmm, I thought it was something in the original skin I've seen it
referenced that determined the text color. I use the same persona for
Firefox, Thunderbird and LO 4.0. In Firefox and Thunderbird the text
in question is white, but in LO it's black. Just for your info, its
Star Trek by lolodetahiti.


On 02/18/2013 12:34 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

You have to define it during the submission process.  You give it
a name, define the header and footer images, and you define the
text and accent colors for menu text.

I do not know of any way to change the menu text in a persona if
the designer chose the wrong color for the user.

I try to use either a white color for dark backgrounds or black for
the light background.  Maybe later, I will make some backgrounds
that will look good with some colored text.  I test my
persona/theme designs with Firefox before I submit them.  I do not
know of a way to do that with LibreOffice, but maybe later.

Of course, if you can get a hold of the designer, you could let
them know that a specific theme and its menu text color did not
work for your system.

My light reptile skin worked well with my systems, and another's
but a user on this list stated it was not working for them.  SO,
I decided to make a really dark version of the same theme and using
white text instead of black.

Sorry this does not help you.  For me there are a lot of themes
out there that seemed to have dark images and dark text, or others
where the text color was not standing out enough to use.


On 02/18/2013 12:03 PM, Scott Castaline wrote: When you say White
text are you referring to the menu bar text? If so, how do you get
it to display in white? I'm using a persona from Firefox and I have
click on a spot where I think the correct menu is to get the drop
down. In Firefox and Thunderbird all of the text in the menu bar is
white so the black background doesn't hide, but in Libre the text
remains in black, so the text is lost in the background.


On 02/18/2013 08:25 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

Well, I could make it much darker, but then I would have to
use White text.

It looks good on my Ubuntu's LCD monitor, and my Win7
laptop.

So decide, dark background and white text or light background
with the default black text.

OR you could go and make a theme yourself and submit it to
Firefox and get it approved.  Then use that one.


On 02/18/2013 07:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :) I guess it depends somewhat on how your monitor is
set-up. I have 2 that are both supposedly 'correct' but one
is a lot darker than the other.  I put correct in single
quotes because i think both those monitors are a bit wonky
and wouldn't be good for editing images. Regards from Tom
:)






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Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013, 5:16 Subject:
[libreoffice-users] Re: Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0
Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0Persona/Themes


I really like how my LibreOffice Reptile Skin 1
Persona design works out on LibreOffice 4.0.0.

Seriously? It's so bright that it's unusable.







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0Persona/Themes



Yes, the Star Trek theme/persona has defined the color of the menu text 
to white [or there about] and LibreOffice does not pick up the specified 
font color.


IT might be fixed for the next version, but I would think someone will 
need to make a bug report for it.  Maybe then it can be officially 
addressed as a bug.




On 02/18/2013 02:08 PM, Scott Castaline wrote:

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I had replied to your prior post before reading this one so sorry if
it comes across a little weird. I did find the link to the specific
persona/theme if you want to check it out:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/star-trek-182292/


On 02/18/2013 12:44 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

Edit:

Just noticed that LibreOffice does not use the defined text
coloring. I do not know where you can change the font color of the
menus.

So, I wonder why LO is not using the persona/theme menu colors.
Since LO's menu text color is black, you will have to use the
lighter colored themes.


On 02/18/2013 12:34 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

You have to define it during the submission process.  You give it
a name, define the header and footer images, and you define the
text and accent colors for menu text.

I do not know of any way to change the menu text in a persona if
the designer chose the wrong color for the user.

I try to use either a white color for dark backgrounds or black
for the light background.  Maybe later, I will make some
backgrounds that will look good with some colored text.  I test
my persona/theme designs with Firefox before I submit them.  I do
not know of a way to do that with LibreOffice, but maybe later.

Of course, if you can get a hold of the designer, you could let
them know that a specific theme and its menu text color did not
work for your system.

My light reptile skin worked well with my systems, and
another's but a user on this list stated it was not working for
them.  SO, I decided to make a really dark version of the same
theme and using white text instead of black.

Sorry this does not help you.  For me there are a lot of themes
out there that seemed to have dark images and dark text, or
others where the text color was not standing out enough to use.


On 02/18/2013 12:03 PM, Scott Castaline wrote:

When you say White text are you referring to the menu bar text? If
so, how do you get it to display in white? I'm using a persona
from Firefox and I have click on a spot where I think the correct
menu is to get the drop down. In Firefox and Thunderbird all of the
text in the menu bar is white so the black background doesn't hide,
but in Libre the text remains in black, so the text is lost in the
background.


On 02/18/2013 08:25 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

Well, I could make it much darker, but then I would have to
use White text.

It looks good on my Ubuntu's LCD monitor, and my Win7
laptop.

So decide, dark background and white text or light
background with the default black text.

OR you could go and make a theme yourself and submit it to
Firefox and get it approved.  Then use that one.


On 02/18/2013 07:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :) I guess it depends somewhat on how your monitor is
set-up. I have 2 that are both supposedly 'correct' but
one is a lot darker than the other.  I put correct in
single quotes because i think both those monitors are a
bit wonky and wouldn't be good for editing images.
Regards from Tom :)






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Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013, 5:16 Subject:
[libreoffice-users] Re: Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0
Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0Persona/Themes


I really like how my LibreOffice Reptile Skin 1
Persona design works out on LibreOffice 4.0.0.

Seriously? It's so bright that it's unusable.









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[libreoffice-users] Reptile Skin design for a 4.0.0 Persona / 33+ designs for LO 4.0.0 Persona/Themes

2013-02-17 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P




I really like how my LibreOffice Reptile Skin 1 Persona design works 
out on LibreOffice 4.0.0.


http://libreoffice-na.us/libreoffice-reptile-skin-1--lo40-clip.jpg

Here are the current Firefox Persona/Themes with the key word of 
LibreOffice.


https://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/gallery/All/search?p=libreofficesearch.x=0search.y=0

I like patterns and other things.  So I am working on those right now.

If I had some good graphics and photos that might work well as design 
for LO themes, I might do them as well.


I could use some constructive comments though.  We all could. Designing 
a Persona/Theme for Firefox is one thing, but making one that was 
created for LiberOffice is a different thing.


Do we want it to have LibreOffice show as a text image there or just 
some nice graphics or images?


I would be nice to know what our users like for color schemes or 
background ideas.  There are Green, Blue, Orange, Purple, and Yellow 
colors specified in the Branding Wiki.  I am working on green ideas, 
since I choose a green themed desktop.  But if there are others who 
would prefer Blues or other branded colors, I could work on them.  
Since LibreOffice does not have any Mascot, but there were ideas on that 
a while back, I may try my had at that type of image.  But it really is 
up to the users of LO 4.0 to decide what they would like.


Actually having you Firefox browser have an LO themed background image 
for its menu system, would be a form of advertising, it may not be for 
every one.


Let all of us, who want to create these Persona/Themes for LibreOffice 
[and Firefox], know what you would like to see from use as themes and 
artwork.


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By the way, it would be easier for people to design these themes, if 
there was a way to test them like you can do on the Firefox browser.  
Just a thought.  Right now we have to design them and submit them to 
Firefox for approval.  It the new design it too close to one of your 
other designs or someones else's, it will be rejected.  My green rough 
paper with the LO text was approved, but to just have that background 
and not text was not since it was too much like the text version.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4

2013-02-14 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/13/2013 11:31 PM, C. H. D. wrote:


Hello!


I did not find pixels in LibreOffice:

Tools - Options - LibreOffice Draw

- General - Unit of measurement

  
That was why I used cm instead.


Thanks.

Regards,
C. H. D.
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snip

https://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/demo_create

This is Firefox's site that walks you through the creation of Persona 
designs.  Since LibreOffice uses their Persona guidelines, currently, I 
am going by their information.


They describe using a header image of 3000 pixels wide by 200 pixels high.
The footer size is 3000 pixels by 100 pixels.
They also have a file size limit of no more than 300KB for the images 
[total size of the two combined, I believe].


Now here it the sticking point.
Draw seems to want you to create pages, not specific images, like Corel 
Draw and Inkscape.  You must be able to create a specific image size, in 
pixels, and I do not know how to do that in Draw.


I just looked - There is a Pixel definition in the File  Export using 
the exporting to a JPG format.  There you can take your design and make 
it the correct pixel size.  All you have to do it make the image 
proportional to the needed pixel size. Make your page/image be in 
centimeters and use a box 300 by 20 cm in size for your design area.  
Then export it to the 3000 by 200 pixels.


- - - -

What I did when I created a felt texture Persona was this:

I created a page wide design using all of the filters and texture-fills 
that Inkscape has.  I played around with them till I got a background 
image that I liked.  That was using vector graphics way of making 
designs, the way Inkscape and Draw does.


Then I exported the design to a bitmap image that is pixel based, like 
photos are.  I made sure it was exported to be at least 3000 pixels wide 
and 200 high.


Then I used a package, like GIMP, Paint Shop Pro, or Photoshop, to do 
some editing of the image to get the final design to be EXACTLY the 3000 
pixel width and the 200 and 100 pixel high required for the Firefox 
specifications for a Persona.


At that point I tested the Persona design, to make sure it did look well 
and was not interfering with the header and footer menu and icons.  If 
you want to use it for LibreOffice 4.0.x and/or Firefox, you test the 
design[s] and tweak them before you decide they are working well for you.


At that point, currently, you can go through the posting process to get 
your Persona listed in the Firefox Gallery.  It is a simple process.


I have asked the question about the approval process and a gallery 
placement within a LibreOffice page, like we have fore templates and 
extensions.  We need approval if we use the official logo[s] for 
LibreOffice and TDF.


So, look into the Person design specifications on Firefox's page.  See 
if there is a way to create and export an image to a specific pixel 
size.  Since I have not learned how to use Draw properly, I do not know 
this process.



- - - -

I use Corel Draw and Inkscape for my vector graphics images and Paint 
Shop Pro [5] and GIMP for the bitmap/pixel editing work.  I use 
Ubuntu/Linux for my default OS on my desktop that I do most of my work.  
I use Inkscape and GIMP on them.  I do use a Win7 and a Win XP/pro 
laptop[s] that I have Corel Draw, Inkscape, Paint Shop Pro [5] and GIMP 
installed on them.  I have been using specific packages for specific 
design processes. Since I have used Paint Shop Pro 5 [and other] for 
many year before I looked into using any Linux system, I find it easier 
to use it for some image editing needs.  Since I now use Linux for my 
desktop, I have been learning how it use GIMP for these editing processes.


To be honest, right now, I do not know much about Draw's abilities and 
how to use it properly.  It seems to be a vector graphics editor.  It 
would be nice if I learned that package well enough to use it for that, 
but I know other vector graphic package much better and therefore easier 
for me to do the needed design work.  I have been using some packages 
since they came out in the Windows 95/98 and XP days.  You use what it 
easier for you to use.  Maybe I will take the time to learn how to use 
Draw as well as I know the other packages, but that is not for the near 
future.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Strange fonts on my Windows system

2013-02-14 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/14/2013 05:33 AM, William Drago wrote:

All,

I have a bunch of fonts on my Windows system that have weird names 
like cmbx6 Regular, cmdunh10 Regular, cmsltt10 Regular... Did these 
come with LibreOffice and if so what are they for? Also, why such 
cryptic names?


Thanks,
Bill



They are system fonts, or so I have been told.  Some packages and 
utilities withinthe Windows system may be using them for displaying 
text.  The Command Line could use them.  Some of the windowtext menu 
and titles displayed may use them.


If these fonts were not installed by you, but are shown in you font 
list, DO NOT REMOVE them.  If they are used by Windows or its utilities, 
you may have a big problem on your hands.  I accidentally removed a font 
that I thought I did not need from an XP system.  I did not know that 
that font name [several fonts styles] was used by Windows.  I really had 
some weird looking menu texts till I fixed the problem.


There are a lot of fonts that are installed by Windows, or Linux, that 
is used only by the system and was not intended to be used as a font 
in a normal document created by Writer or other package. Even though 
all of these extra fonts are listed in the font menus, I just avoid 
them and not delete/uninstall them.  You may never know what fonts are 
being used by the OS or a package.  I do know that some packages install 
specific fonts on your Windows [and Linux] system to be used as their 
default font[s] in their packages in one way or another.  LibreOffice 
has a set of fonts.  When I type in LibreOffice in my Linux package 
manager I get fonts-opensymbol 2:102.2+LibO. . .   listed in the 
search for LibreOffice.


For me, there are many, many fonts that are listed in my font list in 
Writer, to choose from.  Many of them were placed there by Ubuntu [or 
Windows] when it was installed or one of the packages I installed 
afterwards.  These fonts are not ones I would use in my documents, but I 
accept that they are there and I should not delete them, no matter how 
weird they look or are names.  I have over 400 fonts and their styles 
listed in my Writer font drop down option. Many are there as core 
fonts I use for various projects, and may were placed there when I 
installed Ubuntu 12.04, MATE desktop environment, and all of the various 
packages I installed and use. Even though it makes is a pain to go 
through all of these extra fonts I may never use in a document or 
project, I will not risk deleting them.  I learned this the hard way.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4

2013-02-13 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P



In the Persona instructions on the Firefox page that help you through 
the process, they tell you the exact size of the image files.  Also, 
there are some example download images files to start the process as 
well.  I looked into this last month.  What I would do is download the 
image files they use as examples and then use them.  These files are 
shown in pixels not inches or any other measurement.  That is best.





On 02/13/2013 03:00 AM, C. H. D. wrote:

Hello!

Great to share how to make Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4!

It is very hard to measure the size of the image to be used in a Firefox 
Persona. Feel free to learn more about that:

Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4
http://youtu.be/AZeZzxN83HE

After trying many times, I got the right size of the image and submitted the 
Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4.

http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/gallery/All/search?p=libreofficesearch.x=0search.y=0


For your information, in LibreOffice Draw:

Header image
Width: 82.00cm or 32.28
Height: 5.52cm or 2.17

Footer image
Width: 82.00cm or 32.28
Height: 2.77cm or 1.09

The gradient background is recommended.

Regards,

C. H. D.

  






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4

2013-02-13 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P



Just created a Felt style of a background with the text of LibreOffice.
I submitted it and there are 44 in the queue for review.

The header was 3000px by 200 px
The footer was 3000px by 100px

all according to their web page.
https://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/demo_create

Simple and easy.

On 02/13/2013 03:00 AM, C. H. D. wrote:

Hello!

Great to share how to make Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4!

It is very hard to measure the size of the image to be used in a Firefox 
Persona. Feel free to learn more about that:

Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4
http://youtu.be/AZeZzxN83HE

After trying many times, I got the right size of the image and submitted the 
Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4.

http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/gallery/All/search?p=libreofficesearch.x=0search.y=0


For your information, in LibreOffice Draw:

Header image
Width: 82.00cm or 32.28
Height: 5.52cm or 2.17

Footer image
Width: 82.00cm or 32.28
Height: 2.77cm or 1.09

The gradient background is recommended.

Regards,

C. H. D.

  






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb

2013-02-12 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/12/2013 11:10 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2013-02-10 10:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

I do not like all that typing.

What I do is use the default file manager and double click the archived
file and unarchive it.  Then I take the folder that is created and
rename it to Lib or LibO.  That way you do not need to type all of the
characters of the folder's name.


Never heard of 'tab-completion'?

Try hitting the tab key after typing one or two characters of the 
folder name and see what happens...




Never heard of this.  Never know of the Tab completion in the Terminal.

Does it work with the Terminal that is in GNOME, MATE, Unity, KDE?  How 
about the one that comes with openSUSE and other non-Ubuntu systems.  I 
have been told that Debian and Ubuntu is growing apart so some distros 
are showing both Ubuntu-based and Debian-based versions.


What happens when you have two folders that are similar characters, 
except some difference?

 LibreOffice-4.0-installsvs. LibreOffice-3.6-installs?
You would have to make sure you go out till the difference?

I tend to unarchive all of the downloaded file for my version at the 
same time.  For me, that is just the main install and the help pack.


   /To be honest, I never really got into doing all that much with the
   terminal.  I prefer to use a GUI to do the work. There are a very
   large amount of things that the terminal can do that I do not know
   of, or how to do those things that might help me once and a while. 
   I just never bought or download and GOODand easy to understand

   reference to what you can do in the terminal.  Of course, there are
   different ways to do things in a Ubuntu/Debian system than you would
   do the same thing in a openSUSE or RPM system.  Different commands
   and such. //
   //
   //I have tried things that others say work for the, but does not
   work in my install of Ubuntu. That is one reason I have a laptop
   that has a partition that I use to test new versions of Ubuntu and
   desktop environments.  I do not want to upgrade my 5 TB production
   desktop and then find that something is not right.  I did the
   upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 on the laptop and it worked fine, but
   totally crashed on my desktop causing me to need to wipe the system
   and do a fresh install.  I really did not want to have to reinstall
   all of the packages over again, but in the end I had no choice to do
   so and move my data files from my external backup drive.  That took
   days to complete./


SO
I do not experiment with things on the Terminal, or almost never.

I would love to experiment and see about creating a script that would 
automate the install of LO from an earlier versionusing something like 
sh libre-update.run and then have it do the removal of the older 
version and install the newer one.  I could place it in the folderthat 
contains the DEBS folder so it will be version independent. But, if I 
do something wrong, how bad will it go wrong? So right now I am not 
going toexperiment that way.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

2013-02-12 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/12/2013 02:04 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but 
improvement is an ongoing process.


For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be 
nice to:

1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options.
2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files 
to 'permanent' so
they will not fifo off the stack.  An asterisk (blue?) could act 
as a visual flag.


John




I remember seeing some packages that allow you to define the number of 
recent documents are kept in the queue.  I never seen the permanent 
one, but that would be an interesting thing to have.  That way, if you 
are actively working on editing and updating documents on a regular 
basis, you do not have them removed from the recent list because you 
were required to do some other more pressing and time sensitive work. I 
wonder how it might be done.


Also, it would be nice to be able to clear the list from time to time to 
keep other users of a shared system from snooping into what work you 
are doing for others.  I knows this might dealt with only using user 
accounts that point to user only folders, but I have worked at places 
where you did not have that ability of keeping your work away from the 
other users of the system.  Even if you used thumbdrives to store the 
data files, the other users could access the list of files you worked 
on.  Wiping work history would be a good thing for some.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Changing the LibreOffice icons (Linux)

2013-02-12 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/12/2013 03:29 PM, IBBoard wrote:

I don't know if this is the best place (I couldn't see a developer
mailing list outside the internal-focused ones) but here goes.

I use LibreOffice on openSUSE Linux. I've got a custom icon set that
replaces the application icons for LibreOffice. This works fine for
launcher icons, but once the program is running (e.g. I'm editing a file
in LO Writer) then the current app icon and the Alt-Tab app switcher
use the original icons (upscaled horribly from about 24x24 to 64x64).

As best as I can tell, Gnome is honouring the _NET_WM_ICON property of
the window, which does show the old style icons when you query it with
xprop.

I'm not talking about the toolbar icons, which I know there are multiple
themes that I can select from, but the actual launcher icon, and the one
that Gnome Shell uses to show you which app is running.

Is it possible to either a) get LibreOffice to use my theme's icons for
_NET_WM_ICON or b) replace some files pre-build, and if so, which ones?

I've got an account that already has some repackaged software on the
openSUSE Build Service (OBS), so I'm not afraid of patching packages, if
that is the only option :)

Thanks.


Maybe the solution is to include other icon sizes, like 24x24 and 64x64, 
or maybe larger ones, for those systems that might need or use them.  
Small, medium, large, and extra-large, icons might work for those who 
are on systems where you can change the icon size. I think Win7 has only 
two icon sizes to choose from.  I do not remember seeing that option in 
my Ubuntu/MATE install, though.  It could be there and I never seen 
where the option resides.


So, maybe there might be a need for icon sizes other than the two being 
used already.


Debian install[s] show
icon=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/libreoffice4.0-writer.png\
icon16x16=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/libreoffice4.0-writer.png

Could there be an icon24x24 and icon64x64 added to the 
desktop-integration system?

How many systems would work with more than just the default two sizes?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I create a certificate border?


On 02/11/2013 10:22 AM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:

Hi

Is there a way to create an elaborate border in LibreOffice/Draw? I'd
like to create a certficate. I tried searching for freely-licensed
templates for this and didn't find any.

Thanks in advance for any help with this.

F.



Fabian

Not finding certificate borders is weird.  Last year I need some and I 
found a lot.


This one has a few template background images.
http://all-free-download.com/free-vector/free-certificate-template.html

Some will require you to print to  PDF file and then use Draw to import 
it to create a JPG background image.  But there are solutions.


I also have found some in places like OpenClipart.org and other sites.  
Sometimes there are listed under borders.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb



The only typing I do is the

cd Lib
cd DEBS
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
cd desktop-integration
sudo dpkg -i *.deb[using up arrow till I get to that command]

No long folder or file names if you unpack the folder/files via the GUI 
file manager and archive package, then rename the folder to Lib.


I do the same thing for the help packs.

I do as little typing as I can.




On 02/11/2013 12:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
You don't need to do all that typing anyway.  Just press the tab key a few 
times and the terminal cleverly works out what you are aiming for.  It takes a 
bit of working out how it works at first but it's a real boon once you get used 
to it.  Renaming is not a bad idea though as it clarifies exactly what is what.

I thnk it inspired those old mobile phones that had predictive texting wy 
before smart-phones arrived.  Hmmm, thinking about it i wonder what OS they were running! 
;)  Unfortunately the phones version of predictive text was quite a bit different and a 
bit of a pita for a lot of people.  Dunno how often my phone called my best buddy a cow!

This has beena  great thread!  Thanks all :)  It's given me a lot to try out.
Regards from
Tom :)







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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb



I do not like all that typing.

What I do is use the default file manager and double click the archived file and 
unarchive it.  Then I take the folder that is created and rename it to Lib or LibO.  That 
way you do not need to type all of the characters of the folder's name.  I also do not 
use the desktop as the storage place fore the unarchived folder[s].

I keep forgetting the remove command so I use the package manager to remove 
the LO packages from the previous version that was installed.  Works well for me.

Also, I tend to use the cd command to go to the proper folder[s] where the 
dpkg command is needed.  Long ago, in my mainframe days, I was taught to go to the 
folder[s] where my files are to run them.  That is what I try to do.  The only time I do not is 
when I have a launcher icon to work with on my desktop.  I prefer to use the GUI more than the 
terminal anyways.  Easier on my fingers and my typing skills after 3 strokes.  So I do things as 
easy as I can, or easy as I can remember to do/use.




On 02/10/2013 01:06 PM, Don Myers wrote:

Tom,

I used the following instructions to upgrade to LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 on three 
machines with Ubuntu 12.10. It has worked really well so far. No issues 
installing or using it. The bug that made some functions in Base run 
unacceptably slow have been fixed!!!

*Instructions for the 64 Bit Debian Version:*
Download LibreOffice_4.0.0.3 to the desktop.
Right click on it and extract it to the desktop. This will give you the folder 
LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb
Run the following terminal commands to install it:
1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i 
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.0-103_all.deb
4. If using Unity, Open Dash, type Libre and you will see the different 
components (Writer, Calc, etc.). Simply drag the icons for them over to where 
you wish to have them in the launcher bar.

If you install it in this manner using the official Document Foundation 
version, and you type libreoffice in the command line, I get the following:

The program 'libreoffice' is currently not installed. You can install it by 
typing:
sudo apt-get install libreoffice-common

An install as shown above does not have any repository from which it 
originated. Therefore there aren't any updates, which I understand. If it 
showed up as an installed program, Ubuntu would try to update the LibreOffice 
with its own version which would lead to a royal mess!! I did not get a 
message saying there is a missing package like you did.

Don


On 02/10/2013 09:59 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

Tom
I ram the install on Linux Mint 14 and had no troubles with it.


On 02/09/2013 03:07 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I downloaded the .Deb for Ubuntu (and others) twice yday and tried
installing it as per instructions but when i tried running LibreOffice
from the command-line by typing in

libreoffice

I got an error message saying that LibreOffice couldn't run because i was 
missing a package called something like


libreoffice-common

when i looked through all the packages in the Deb and desktop integration
folders i found there was one!  I'm sure it's been there in previous
releases?!  However when i double-click on a docX or odt or anything
then LibreOffice 4 does successfully open it.


So, it's a bit weird but doesn't seem to be problem unless i try that odd
way of opening LO in a way that i would never normally have tried unless i

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb



I now have the terminal commands in a text document.  I keep forgetting 
the remove command's text.  So I just use the package manager to 
remove the previous version.


Maybe there could be a sh libre-update.run type of command made and 
placed in the archived folder one level up from the DEBS folder.  Then 
all someone needs to so is run one command in the terminal that would do 
everything else.  Make it generic so it would not need changing for 
every version.  Do the same for the RPM installs.


How easy would it be then?  run one command that will do everything for 
you so it would not take any other typing, except your password, to get 
the Linux versions installed.  Windows users get one double clicking of 
the file, plus the custom install options, to install LO.  Have a 
simple single line command to remove the old version of LO and install 
the new one would be really nice.


Still, some Linux users would not like that.  It would make my life 
easier sometimes.



On 02/11/2013 12:50 PM, Don C. Myers wrote:

Hi All,

A simple copy and paste works really well!! No typing necessary. 
Just make sure you have the file saved as a .txt that you open with 
GEdit.


When I was new to Linux (Ubuntu) and didn't understand anything about 
what the system was really doing or about the file structure, 
OpenOffice was updated, and it wasn't going to be included for Ubuntu 
users until the next update, which was three or 4 months down the 
road. I ran across this method as a way to update my OpenOffice 
without waiting. The same thing took place with the next OpenOffice 
release. Again I found the updated instructions on the Internet. I 
still use this as it is easy to update computers. I've installed 
Ubuntu on about 23 or so. It is also easy for a new person to Ubuntu 
since they don't have to understand changing directories, etc. Simple 
extract the download to the desktop, and then copy and paste the three 
commands into the terminal.


Don


On 02/11/2013 12:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
You don't need to do all that typing anyway.  Just press the tab key 
a few times and the terminal cleverly works out what you are aiming 
for.  It takes a bit of working out how it works at first but it's a 
real boon once you get used to it.  Renaming is not a bad idea though 
as it clarifies exactly what is what.


I thnk it inspired those old mobile phones that had predictive 
texting wy before smart-phones arrived.  Hmmm, thinking about it 
i wonder what OS they were running! ;)  Unfortunately the phones 
version of predictive text was quite a bit different and a bit of a 
pita for a lot of people.  Dunno how often my phone called my best 
buddy a cow!


This has beena  great thread!  Thanks all :)  It's given me a lot to 
try out.

Regards from
Tom :)







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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb



I do not like all that typing.

What I do is use the default file manager and double click the 
archived file and unarchive it.  Then I take the folder that is 
created and rename it to Lib or LibO.  That way you do not need to 
type all of the characters of the folder's name.  I also do not use 
the desktop as the storage place fore the unarchived folder[s].


I keep forgetting the remove command so I use the package manager 
to remove the LO packages from the previous version that was 
installed.  Works well for me.


Also, I tend to use the cd command to go to the proper folder[s] 
where the dpkg command is needed.  Long ago, in my mainframe days, 
I was taught to go to the folder[s] where my files are to run them.  
That is what I try to do.  The only time I do not is when I have a 
launcher icon to work with on my desktop.  I prefer to use the GUI 
more than the terminal anyways.  Easier on my fingers and my typing 
skills after 3 strokes.  So I do things as easy as I can, or easy as 
I can remember to do/use.





On 02/10/2013 01:06 PM, Don Myers wrote:

Tom,

I used the following instructions to upgrade to LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 
on three machines with Ubuntu 12.10. It has worked really well so 
far. No issues installing or using it. The bug that made some 
functions in Base run unacceptably slow have been fixed!!!


*Instructions for the 64 Bit Debian Version:*
Download LibreOffice_4.0.0.3 to the desktop.
Right click on it and extract it to the desktop. This will give you 
the folder LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb

Run the following terminal commands to install it:
1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i 
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i 
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.0-103_all.deb
4. If using Unity, Open Dash, type Libre and you will see the 
different components (Writer, Calc, etc.). Simply

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb


On 02/11/2013 01:43 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2013-02-11 12:50, Don C. Myers a écrit :

Hi All,

A simple copy and paste works really well!! No typing necessary.
Just make sure you have the file saved as a .txt that you open with 
GEdit.


When I was new to Linux (Ubuntu) and didn't understand anything about
what the system was really doing or about the file structure, OpenOffice
was updated, and it wasn't going to be included for Ubuntu users until
the next update, which was three or 4 months down the road. I ran across
this method as a way to update my OpenOffice without waiting. The same
thing took place with the next OpenOffice release. Again I found the
updated instructions on the Internet. I still use this as it is easy to
update computers. I've installed Ubuntu on about 23 or so. It is also
easy for a new person to Ubuntu since they don't have to understand
changing directories, etc. Simple extract the download to the desktop,
and then copy and paste the three commands into the terminal.

Don



This I also agree with as well. If the scripts fit for everyone. 
However, there is no sense making installing LibreOffice (the 
downloaded files) sound so complicated for Linux. You don't really 
need to know much about installing .deb's or .rpm's other than to 
right-click and the files and picking the right choices. That's all.


In fact, if you are just installing one .deb or .rpm, on most systems, 
you just have to double-click on the .deb or .rpm file and it will 
call up the distro's installer. It's just that simple. Just like it is 
done on Windows.


Cheers,

Marc


The only reason you cannot double click any of the .deb files in the 
install's DEBS folder is the fact that you need to make sure they are 
all run due to the file dependency issues.  They have to be run in a 
certain order, sort of.


It would be nice to have a double-click script that could be run that 
way that will run all of the .deb file in the folder, but it is not as 
easy as that, or that single double-clicking file/script might have been 
created by now.


So far, needing the terminal to install packages [not all] is a problem 
for some users who want to switch from Windows.  Also, sometimes the 
double-clicked package installs do not even make a menu or desktop 
launcher icon, so you have to go into the bin or other folder and 
create your own launcher icon.  I had to do that for the Canon Scanning 
package.  It was /usr/bin/scangearmp and how many new users to Linux 
would know how to create a launcher or where the command was stored?


More people might move over to Linux if package were easier to install 
on Ubuntu, Mint, and others.  We all got spoiled on doing a double-click 
on the install file [.exe or .msi] and it will place the package icon in 
the menu system [Start] and place a launch icon on the desktop for ease 
of use.  Yes, we got spoiled, but it was easier.  I do not know how to 
add the Canon Scan Gear package to the Ubuntu Applications menu.  Wish I 
did.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb


On 02/11/2013 05:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi Tim,

Le 2013-02-11 14:04, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

So far, needing the terminal to install packages [not all] is a problem
for some users who want to switch from Windows.  Also, sometimes the
double-clicked package installs do not even make a menu or desktop
launcher icon, so you have to go into the bin or other folder and
create your own launcher icon.  I had to do that for the Canon Scanning
package.  It was /usr/bin/scangearmp and how many new users to Linux
would know how to create a launcher or where the command was stored?


Not sure about the other deb software, but we do supply this in our 
packages, it's in the main packagage-desktop integration 
-libreoffice4.0-freedesktop-menus-4.0.0-103.noarch. I am not sure if 
the Ubuntu's Unity adheres to the standard, but Gnome and KDE do.


As for getting it on your desktop, grab it and drop on your desktop, 
you normally get prompted if you want a copy, link.


Cheers,

Marc


The one that is in Ubuntu is named - 
libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.0-103_all.deb


This is the menu guide I think for Debian desktop-integration.

?package(libreoffice-writer):needs=X11 section=Apps/Editors\
  title=LibreOffice 4.0 Writer command=libreoffice4.0 -writer\
  hints=Word Processors\
  kderemove=y\
icon=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/libreoffice4.0-writer.png\
icon16x16=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/libreoffice4.0-writer.png


This is for the RPM version you have.  There are 3 different ones in the 
RPM desktop-integration package.


?package(libreoffice4.0-writer): needs=x11 
section=Office/Wordprocessors icon=libreoffice4.0-writer.png 
title=LibreOffice 4.0 Writer longtitle=LibreOffice 4.0 Word 
Processing Component command=libreoffice4.0 -writer 
mimetypes=application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text,application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-template,application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-web,application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master,application/vnd.sun.xml.writer,application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.template,application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.global,application/vnd.stardivision.writer,application/msword,application/vnd.ms-word,application/x-doc,application/rtf 
kde_opt=InitialPreference=100 startup_notify=true









The problem is not getting it on my desktop or panel, but to get a 
listing in the Applications menu when the package does not list the 
package in say Applications/Office where it should be listed, but 
not.  I know how to make a launcher icon on the desktop for my Canon 
Scanner package, but not how to get it in the /Office menu or the 
/Graphics menu where it should belong.  The Canon scanning system will 
not work with XSane, like my Epson scanner does [since I went to Ubuntu 
12.04/12.10].





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb


On 02/11/2013 06:14 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2013-02-11 17:01, Dan Lewis a écrit :


All well and good, but the simple way that you suggest will present
problems for the newcomer on Debian OS's. The desktop-integration file
will not install if the LO that came with the OS install CD remains: it
must be removed. Without doing this, you can not right click on a file
and select a LO version to open the file.



We used to use Synaptic to remove an installed program or install a
program from the Ubuntu repositories. A few years ago Ubuntu no longer
included this package manager when it went to using the Unity desktop.
(Synaptic was a part of the gnome desktop package.) In its place, Ubuntu
introduced the Ubuntu Software Center. It appears that programs can also
be removed using it, but only if they came from the Ubuntu repositories.
Right now I have LO 3.6.5.2 and 4.0.0.3 installed from the website.
Neither of these are listed in Ubuntu Software Center, so it can not be
used to remove them.



I just checked out your first paragraph. What you wrote does not work
for installing LO in Ubuntu. (It probably will not work for any of the
Debian OS's, but I only have Ubuntu and can not check the others.) The
only thing that works is to think about the specific steps that must be
followed and determine how to do them either on the command line or
using a script. You may want to call these convoluted, but at least they
work.

--Dan



Thanks for the information Dan. I will install Ubuntu on a spare box 
and test these out. I for one am for simplifying the notes on the .rpm 
section and adding a more simplified intallation routine of the 4 
steps which do work for users who install the most used default 
managers as Gnome or KDE managers.


We should also try to find a visual installation routine for our 
Ubuntu users. The vast majority of users are just interested in using 
the software. Is some wish to install the latest and the bleeding edge 
versions, we need to make it an easy install.


We are looking for more contributors in all of our teams and 
especially QA. IMO, we should try to get our betas/rc's into the hands 
of users interested in QA who actually use LibreOffice in a productive 
way. The installation barrier should not become such a burden that 
such users would cringe at the very thought of installing these 
pre-release versions. When doing QA, users are often installing newer 
version of LibreOffice in a very short order of time.


Cheers,

Marc





I think we need to make it as easy as possible for our users [ 
Windows/Mac/Linux ] to install the newest version of LO to replace the 
older ones.


I really think it is not Windows vs. Linux, but how we can make it easy 
for all users, no matter what OS they use.  MS has an installer build 
into the .msi package.  We need to do something like that for Linux.


HP has a package like sh hplip-3.11.3a.run that is run in the terminal 
that walks you through the install process for the Linux printing.


There are a lot of complex things going on, including a make option in 
there.  How easy would it be to create something like that?








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb

2013-02-10 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P



Tom
I ram the install on Linux Mint 14 and had no troubles with it.


On 02/09/2013 03:07 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I downloaded the .Deb for Ubuntu (and others) twice yday and tried
installing it as per instructions but when i tried running LibreOffice
from the command-line by typing in

libreoffice

I got an error message saying that LibreOffice couldn't run because i was 
missing a package called something like


libreoffice-common

when i looked through all the packages in the Deb and desktop integration
folders i found there was one!  I'm sure it's been there in previous
releases?!  However when i double-click on a docX or odt or anything
then LibreOffice 4 does successfully open it.


So, it's a bit weird but doesn't seem to be problem unless i try that odd
way of opening LO in a way that i would never normally have tried unless i 
wanted to try to collect error reports and stuff (ie never).

Regards from
Tom :)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb

2013-02-10 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P

I do not like all that typing.

What I do is use the default file manager and double click the archived
file and unarchive it. Then I take the folder that is created and
rename it to Lib or LibO. That way you do not need to type all of the
characters of the folder's name. I also do not use the desktop as the
storage place fore the unarchived folder[s].

I keep forgetting the remove command so I use the package manager to
remove the LO packages from the previous version that was installed.
Works well for me.

Also, I tend to use the cd command to go to the proper folder[s] where
the dpkg command is needed. Long ago, in my mainframe days, I was
taught to go to the folder[s] where my files are to run them. That is
what I try to do. The only time I do not is when I have a launcher icon
to work with on my desktop. I prefer to use the GUI more than the
terminal anyways. Easier on my fingers and my typing skills after 3
strokes. So I do things as easy as I can, or easy as I can remember to
do/use.

On 02/10/2013 01:06 PM, Don Myers wrote:

Tom,

I used the following instructions to upgrade to LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 on
three machines with Ubuntu 12.10. It has worked really well so far. No
issues installing or using it. The bug that made some functions in
Base run unacceptably slow have been fixed!!!

*Instructions for the 64 Bit Debian Version:*
Download LibreOffice_4.0.0.3 to the desktop.
Right click on it and extract it to the desktop. This will give you
the folder LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb

Run the following terminal commands to install it:
1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.0-103_all.deb
4. If using Unity, Open Dash, type Libre and you will see the
different components (Writer, Calc, etc.). Simply drag the icons for
them over to where you wish to have them in the launcher bar.

If you install it in this manner using the official Document
Foundation version, and you type libreoffice in the command line, I
get the following:
The program 'libreoffice' is currently not installed. You can install
it by typing:

sudo apt-get install libreoffice-common
An install as shown above does not have any repository from which it
originated. Therefore there aren't any updates, which I understand. If
it showed up as an installed program, Ubuntu would try to update the
LibreOffice with its own version which would lead to a royal
mess!! I did not get a message saying there is a missing package
like you did.

Don

On 02/10/2013 09:59 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

Tom
I ram the install on Linux Mint 14 and had no troubles with it.

On 02/09/2013 03:07 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I downloaded the .Deb for Ubuntu (and others) twice yday and tried
installing it as per instructions but when i tried running LibreOffice
from the command-line by typing in

libreoffice

I got an error message saying that LibreOffice couldn't run because
i was missing a package called something like

libreoffice-common

when i looked through all the packages in the Deb and desktop
integration

folders i found there was one! I'm sure it's been there in previous
releases?! However when i double-click on a docX or odt or anything
then LibreOffice 4 does successfully open it.

So, it's a bit weird but doesn't seem to be problem unless i try
that odd
way of opening LO in a way that i would never normally have tried
unless i wanted to try to collect error reports and stuff (ie never).

Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning


On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com 
wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a 
more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing 
the

fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

Is there a cross-platform font available, in both sans serif and 
serif

styles?


Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a font 
set

that can be installed on them?


Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
documents.



Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.

AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for 
both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.




There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already 
installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one.


Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ http://www.1001freefonts.com/
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.




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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Date:   Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
From:   Claude Fiefel claude.fie...@orange.fr
To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com

un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre 
office ok
Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com a écrit :

On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com 
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com 
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a 
more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into 
changing the

fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

Is there a cross-platform font available, in both sans serif and 
serif

styles?

Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a 
font set

that can be installed on them?

Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
other systems.

The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
documents.

Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.

AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for 
both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.

There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed 
on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already 
installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one.

Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ http://www.1001freefonts.com/
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.

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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning



The French email to me was the second emain [different addresses] that 
had the tag like that looked like they used an iPad to send it.
It decided to forward it to the list so someone who might know what 
should be done with the emails.




On 02/08/2013 10:02 AM, sun shine wrote:

On 08/02/13 14:54, Tom Davies wrote:

HI :)
The French website is here
http://fr.libreoffice.org/
and their wiki is here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/fr

but i don't understand enough to find the equivalent of this page
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/

Regards from
Tom :)








From: Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com; LibreO - 
Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org

Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:42
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

I'm willing to take contact with him.

Can anyone give me the links to the french lists  unsubscribe info?

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer



On 8 February 2013 15:40, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi :)
I am not sure what the French chap was saying.  Anyone know?  Can 
anyone help?


The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have 
on their machines.  I carefully installed the font called Ubuntu 
and it's derivatives (bold, and so on) on all my colleagues 
machine's and my various bosses.  So it's ok for use inside our 
offices and for printing but when i need to send it outside it gets 
tricky.  So i generally stick to the MS fonts that 'everyone' has 
for documents that are going out.



It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them 
and the screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at 
Kracked Press has tried to help me i still find it a bit of a pain 
as i have to walk around and install on each separate machine.  
There must be some faster route but i don't know it yet.



Regards from

Tom :)








From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23
Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning




 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
From: Claude Fiefel claude.fie...@orange.fr
To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com



un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish 
libre office ok



Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com a 
écrit :



On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
webmas...@krackedpress.com 
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
webmas...@krackedpress.com 
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside 
of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look 
into a more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into 
changing the
fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If 
you are

dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

Is there a cross-platform font available, in both sans 
serif and serif

styles?

Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most 
Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is 
a font set

that can be installed on them?

Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents 
in the

other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their 
systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
documents.


Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document 
could

be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.

AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available 
for both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.


There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be 
installed on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not 
worry about an equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts 
that are already installed by others, so they do not need to 
install a new one.


Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ http://www.1001freefonts.com/
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used 
for Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas



There are a lot of persona[s] I have tried for Firefox that did not work 
for me.  Same will go for LO 4.0.0.


There is some easy instructions on the FF site to help people create 
your own persona[s].  I may be creating a version myself, specifically 
working for LO 4.0.0.  If I do, I will place it on the FF so if you 
search for LibreOffice, you will find it.


The hardest thing is deciding what you want the top menu bar to look 
like and doing the image editing.  After that it is a very simple 
process.  So simple, that there many thousands of them out there.



On 02/08/2013 10:23 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
The girl/lady reading the script has used LibreOffice a couple of times but 
really had no idea how to do the things she was reading about and still doesn't 
know.  To be fair neither do i but she has a nice voice so i might listen to it 
enough to work out what it's about.  It might even help me with my work as i 
use a CMS (one i find a bit of a pita tbh) quite frequently.

The main point is that if articles are promoting the CMIS thing then it would 
be sensible if they gave a link to further info about it and all i know is that 
video.  So, i am trying to give the link in the comments section in some of the 
articles Italo gave us links to.

It's interesting to hear about a 2minute rule.  I guessed at 3 minutes a couple 
of months ago so it's good to know i wasn't tooo far off.

Hopefully for that video, people watching will mostly be advanced users ready 
to commit to the full 5mins and the nice voice might help keep them focused.
Regards from
Tom :)








From: C. H. D. webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk
To: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 15:04
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas

Hello!

I have just watched the video provided:

  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeMfeature=youtu.be


I think this video is tidy. (I have not used CMIS.) The voice is nice.


I think I have kept my video as short as about two minutes. I think people will 
not have the patience. (Most people I know do not have patience.)

I also feel that two minutes is the key. If a video is longer than that, then 
the process must be very long. Very serious users will spend more than two minutes on 
watching such a long video.

If I need to use CMIS tomorrow (being very nervous), I will need to know how to 
do it as soon as possible. I suggest giving the audience the most important 
steps first.


The link mentioned is for more advanced users, I believe.

Regards,
C. H. D.





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寄件人︰ Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
收件人︰ C. H. D. webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk
傳送日期︰ 2013年02月8日 (週五) 1:03 PM
主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas


Hi :)
Nicely done :)  Have you sent it to the documentation mailing list?  They might 
be interested in putting it on their page of video tutorials.

Btw have you seen this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeMfeature=youtu.be
that uses an unusual sound-track and a minimalist voice to help keep people's 
attention?

I've seen a lot of YouTube HowTos that have sound-tracks that quickly get very 
out-dated by choosing music that is very fashionable but that lacks class.  I 
don't like the particular piece of music in that link i just gave but i do like 
the way that it's unusual enough that people are unlikely to have heard it 
before and certainly not enough to get tired of it.

Also a lot of times videos have constant chatter going on, often without really 
adding
adding anything useful.  Lots of umm and ahh and Here you can see that i am doing 
or As you can see.  The constant flow of words makes it difficult to translate and yet keep the timings 
good.

What i really liked about the voice in the link i gave was that the speaking 
parts were short and distinct so that when it was translated from Danish into 
English the chap was able to chop up Pamela's voice and place the comments in 
exactly the right places.  So, Pamela only had to leave decent pauses between 
statements.  She didn't have to get the pauses exactly right because Leif was 
going to chop up the voice-audio and place the parts appropriately to fit the 
video and the music.

I think the only thing missing is an srt file under the video so that people 
could download the srt and the video in order to see the  subtitles.  
Alternatively just some way people could get the script in some other text
format.  Either way something for blind users to be able to get through their 
screen-readers.

Anyway i really just wondered what you thought of the link.  Have you done a 
lot of these sorts of things?  Yours looked like you knew what you were doing.  
If you do write a script i might be able to get Pamela or another lady to read 
it for you as long as the script was quite short and

Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

2013-02-07 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing the
fonts used and see which one works best for your needs.  If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.


Is there a cross-platform font available, in both sans serif and serif styles?



Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows, 
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a font set 
that can be installed on them?


If the first, then not likely, since Windows changes it default 
installed fonts for every version and last I knew MAC did not have the 
same font names as Windows.


Not if you want to install a font on Windows, MacOSX, and Linux, well 
that is different.  I do not know if MacOSX will install TTF fonts, or 
OTF type, but I know that there are font sites where you can find fonts 
listing both MAC and Windows versions.  Linux should be able to install 
TTF and OTF fonts like Windows, at least my Ubuntu/Linux does.


So, all you have to do is find a font that works on MAC and Windows, and 
it should work for Linux.  Then you just install them on all three 
platforms.


Well, that said, there is a harder way.
Go through all of the documentation on which fonts are installed with 
which versions of Windows and MAC. Then look at  chart that list which 
fonts on MAC are the same as the ones on Windows, but have different 
names of the MAC system.  Then go from there.


I do not have MAC, but I have a core set of fonts that I make sure are 
installed on my Windows andLinux systems.


THEN, if I need to send documents out to others, I embed the fonts in 
those documents. Most PDF printer drivers, like CUPS-PDF [Linux] and 
doPDF [Windows] will embed the fonts used into the file so the viewer of 
the document will see it the way you wanted it to be.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have 
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems, 
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents.


LO, well their PDF exportation system was working on embedding all the 
fonts, instead of just some.  I do not know how far along it is but it 
is not the easiest thing to do.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-07 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/07/2013 10:59 AM, Paddy Landau wrote:

Jay Lozier wrote

Paddy Landau wrote

According to the  New Features page ... Unity Integration is built in.

Sadly, this is not working for me.

Did you install LO manually? ... cd desktop-integration ...

The installation process is now completed, and you should have icons for
all the LibreOffice applications in your desktop's Applications/Office
menu.

Thank you for your reply, but this was not what I was referring to. I was
referring to the Unity menu-bar integration.

If you look at the  New Features page
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes  , about
halfway down (under the title GUI), you will see a screen-shot of the
Unity Integration.

Since my last posting, I have been informed that perhaps it may not work in
Ubuntu versions prior to the current Alpha version (13.04), so perhaps it
will not work in 12.04?


There has been a lot of updates lately for 12.04, even some Unity ones.  
I run MATE instead of Unity.  Maybe 12.10 works better.  I am running it 
on my testing laptop [but with MATE as well], but run 12.04/MATE for my 
default desktop system.


I do see the Unity Integration box you are referring to.  My question 
seem to be what it the current state of the Unity Integration for the 
12.04/12.10 versions.  How much has been changed between 3.6.5 and 4.0.0 
that affected the integration, other than the addition of persona to 
the UI?


I wonder why the integration will not work with 12.xx since that it the 
current version of Ubuntu?  It what you was given was true, why would 
they work on doing the work on the OS version that is not even out?  
Does not make sense. I waited a long time before I went from 10.04 LTS 
to 12.04LTS, just before 12.10 came out.  So if the next LTS is 
14.04LTS, then there will be a lot of Ubuntu users [Unity or others] 
that will be still using 12.xx for another year or so.  Now work for 
12.xx, does not make sense.  It needs to work and not make you wait 
till 13.04 or later.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-07 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P

Why not make sure that the version of LO work for the current
Long-Term-Support version of Ubuntu Unity? I do not use Unity, since I
do not like it. But There will be a lot of Unity users who will want LO
to work with their 12.04LTS version till the next LTS comes out. I did
not use 11.04/11.10 but waited till 12.04LTS.

Is there any way to make sure that LO works with 12.04LTS, 12.10, 13.04,
and then 13.10?

Right now, articles state Mint Linux [MATE or Cinnamon] is more popular
than Ubuntu/Unity [and the other desktop environments for it]. But if
we turn off some of our Linux users, then where will it stop after
that? I use Ubuntu, but I hate Unity so I do not use it. BUT, many
people love Unity and those people are most likely LO users and really
would be upset if the specific Unity menu system will not work with LO.

On 02/07/2013 01:40 PM, Paddy Landau wrote:

krackedpress wrote

… How much has been changed between 3.6.5 and 4.0.0 that affected the
integration, other than the addition of persona to the UI?
…
I wonder why the integration will not work with 12.xx since that it the
current version of Ubuntu?
…
why would they work on doing the work on the OS version that is not even
out?

Good questions, and I think I know the answers. Canonical tends to freeze
applications for a specific version, releasing updated versions only if
needed for security. Firefox, Chromium and Thunderbird are the only
exceptions due to their unusual release mechanisms.

I believe that there have been large changes to the core code of Unity
between 12.04 and 12.10, and further changes to 13.04. So, that could
explain it: Canonical created package lo-menubar for Unity, but it works
(badly) only on LibreOffice 3.5 if I remember correctly. It does not work on
later versions, and indeed conflicts with them.

krackedpress wrote

So if the next LTS is 14.04LTS, then there will be a lot of Ubuntu users
[Unity or others] that will be still using 12.xx for another year or so.
Now work for 12.xx, does not make sense. It needs to work and not make
you wait till 13.04 or later.

Well, that's Canonical's way. You can either upgrade every six months to a
new Ubuntu version, or stick with the LTS. The structure is there to cater
for the home users who like to keep up-to-date (non-LTS) and the business
and corporate users who prefer longer-term stability (LTS). I tend to stick
with the LTS for stability, but because I use Libre Office extensively, I
prefer to keep Libre Office updated especially when earlier versions have
bugs.

Conclusion:

Given all the comments that have been given on this thread (and some more
that I received off-list), I believe we can conclude that it won't work
before 13.04.

I'll just have to wait for 14.04 before using the Unity Integration.
Fortunately, it is not a big deal. We can live with it.

Thank you everyone for your responses — they have been helpful.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

2013-02-05 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P



Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the 
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more 
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing the 
fonts used and see which one works best for your needs.  If you are 
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.


I am a font guy, or use to be.  I have collected over 14 GB of font 
files, but I have a core set of fonts that I place on every system that 
I own.  These are the ones I use the most over the years.


Right now, I am reading a hard cover book that has a different font than 
the paper-back font of the previous version in that series.  The 
kerneling and line spacing is much different than the paperback books.  
So, with that in mind, you will need to know what the publication will 
look like and use the best font that works for it.  If a publisher uses 
a specific set of fonts, use them.  If not, then it is up to you to 
choose the best font for the document.  I sometimes take a paragraph and 
repeat it over and over again and then make each paragraph a different 
font.  I then take it to friends who help me decide which font works the 
best for them.  After that, I take the final choices and make 2-3 page 
examples of the text with those fonts at the size and page format that 
the document will be published.  Then which one is best, I use.


Professionals tend to do something like this and then stick with a small 
core of fonts that work the best for their publications and their 
different page size.


Since each proportional font is a little different and their kerneling 
aspect seems to be different from others, you mush go through some 
process to select the best font for your documents. There are thousands 
of fonts that look like Times Roman, each just a little different.  Once 
you find and test the fonts, you then keep the best ones for your work.  
The hard part is the testing of each of them to get the best ones.  That 
is why I suggested asking the publisher[s], if possible, which font[s] 
they prefer to use, since they would have done such visual font tests 
before and chosen the best ones.



On 02/05/2013 04:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think LaTeX is far more sophisticated for proper professional printing.  My 
guess would be that commercial publishing houses convert from Writer or Word 
into LaTeX (or something) and then perhaps reapply formatting.  Kerning is the 
least of the problems when you look at a document created in Word.  Even 
so-called Desktop Publishing tools such as Publisher tend to mangle things 
quite badly.  The quality of documents created with Writer is far far higher 
but it's still unlikely to compete with proper DTP tools such as LaTeX.

As a work-around it might be worth trying out a few different fonts and see 
which bothers you the least.  Most people don't notice the other prolific 
problems created by MSO, let alone kerning or other spacing issues.

It is always possible that someone on this list has some clever way of dealing with 
kerning or even avoiding it.  I have a feeling there is a way so poking around in the 
Format menu might be useful.  So, i really am hoping we do get a better 
answer here
Regards from
Tom :)







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Subject: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

Readers,

The classic text 'lorem ipsum...' shows how kerning of characters in
writer is poor (compared to LaTeX anyway):

Lorem ipsum dolor sit _amet_, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
_minim_ _veniam_, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

If the text above is copied into writer, for a font such as
'liberation serif', examples of poor character kerning are indicated
by the underscore (_) character.

Any way to improve this?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0

2013-02-05 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P



Many months ago, there was a notification that MSO2013 changed their XML 
formatting from a loose to a strict version of the format.  I do not 
remember the exact wording but they stated that MSO2010 may not read 
MSO2013 files correctly.  So that makes 3 releases of MSO on Windows 
that are not compatible with MS's own XML based formats.  EVERY time 
they release a new version, since 2007, they require the user to buy the 
new version to be compatible.  They there is the big hike in buying 
their office suite, since renting will give MS more income from the same 
user. You get a lower up-front cost but a higher total cost when you 
rent MSO.  All this incompatibility is just a scheme to increase their 
income.


As for rendering differences between different versions of Windows, XP 
through Win7, yes MS admits that as well.  Between different font 
bundles and differences in how the OS does it rendering, I do not know 
what the differences are, but I have seen the differences myself 
sometimes.  I ran XP/pro and Vista.  Now I have XP/pro and Win7/pro.  
Yes, sometimes documents look a little different between the two MS 
OSs.  Since I use Ubuntu/Linux for my main desktop, and I have not 
bought a MSO package since 2003, I rarely have to deal with working with 
MSO myself, which I enjoy.



On 02/05/2013 09:10 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Only MS Office 2007 and 2010 are available on Mac.  They are re-named as 2008 
and 2011 but basically are pretty much the same.  However there are 
compatibility issues with documents produced on one platform and then viewed on 
the other.  Documents produced with 2007 don't always look at all right on 2010 
let alone 2011.  If produced in 2010 on Win Xp then even MS admits they wont 
look right on 2010 on Win7, nor Win8.  Their idea of 'compatibility' is that 
everyone must be using the same version on the same OS.

Also while a student may not be considered to need various different parts of 
MSO it is still often claimed that moving away from MSO might be a bad idea for 
them because it means doing without those apps that are not even included in 
their version of MSO.  Then there are tons of other bundles that each lack 
different parts of the whole suite.  Again the missing parts are used as 
reasons why people can't migrate away from MSO.

I have just been helping 2 students on courses that are allegedly trying to 
teach about computers and the Access module parts were particularly tricky as 
they didn't have Access at home despite having bought the version of MSO that 
the colleges recommended.  So many different bundles = so much confusion.

Rtf is no longer being actively developed.  Also,  as is typical of MS formats, 
it fails to be compatible between different programs or even same programs on 
different OSes, let alone different platforms.  I've never yet met any office 
worker using Biff.

Almost all serious servers run non-MS platforms.  Somewhere around 1%.  Mostly 
it's small company servers but again they tend to go with unix-based platforms 
because of security issues.

Mobile devices seem to almost entirely run non-MS.  The Slate's sales have been 
appallingly lower than estimated.  The only person i know of that has run a 
Windows phone found it started crashing after just 2 weeks and at best is 
suffering slowdowns already.

All the 3rd party tools for reading documents that are in MS formats  tend to 
be better at displaying LibreOffice documents because it's usually their native 
format too.
Regards from
Tom :)







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Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 14:07
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0

Tom Davies:

On the other hand MS Office still does not support many features of LibreOffice 
yet either.

Like custom toolbar backgrounds? I think people can live without those.


For example the Student's version of MSO doesn't include Publisher or Access.

Why does a student need Publisher? Why does they need Access when they can have 
the real SQL server for free?


   Plus their default formats ... only really work on desktop machines.

Both BIFF and RTF are trivially parsed and can be used on servers as well.


Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility?

There are third-party solutions which handle Office documents on mobile 
devices. The two only desktop platforms, Windows and MacOSX are both using MSO. 
What compatibility?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] spelling + grammar checker in writer

2013-02-04 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P



I believe there has been some work on the Spell Checking system since 
then, but I could be wrong.  I use to use the OOo extension that changed 
to a different system, but I stopped doing that in the 3.5.x series/line.


To be honest, you might see some improvements with the 3.6.5 version of 
the Debian installs.


There are some items in the ToolsOptions section about how and what is 
used for the spell checking.  You might want to play around with those 
settings to see if things improve for you. Words with numbers and 
Capitals lettering are listed there in the options for spell checking.  
Depending on what is installed on your system, the options may be 
different than mine.


I came from OOo 1.x era for my first non-MSO package since I switch to 
MSO-95.  I started using LO with its first offering.


- -

Your description of the killing of manual formatting is something I 
have never seen.  You are saying that you have formatted words in things 
like Bold, Italic, and other text and paragraph formatting styles, and 
the spell checking system is changing them as its works?


Weird.  I would be upset as well.

Since 3.5.3 is old for a LO version, maybe you should download and 
install the 3.6.5 Debian version of LO from the web pages.  If the 
problem still is there than it is a matter for the developers need to 
deal with through the bug process.


Sometimes the renaming of the .libreoffice hidden folder will help, 
since it resets the user profile, which sometimes gets messed up and 
caused some weird errors.  Sometimes weird printer errors are caused 
by the profile being corrupted in some manner.  Sometimes checking or 
unchecking options in the ToolsOptions menus might fix the issue.  It 
did for a weird duplex problem for some printers.


Since the issue you are having has been with the OOo/LO projects for 
that long, you might want to make a list of all of the extensions and 
add-ons you are using and then including that with a bug report to the 
devs.  As I stated, I use to use a OOo extension that worked with the 
spell checking system and modified it for more options than OOo and LO 
had in those early days.  Now I do not.


I really hope the developers, via the bug reporting system, can help you.




On 02/04/2013 01:58 AM, Walther Koehler wrote:

Am Samstag, 2. Februar 2013 schrieb webmaster-Kracked_P_P:

On 02/02/2013 07:30 AM, Walther Koehler wrote:

Hello web-m, hello list,

Thank you for your reply.

I am using / have been using different Linux Debian Versions and OO from 2.*
on up to LO 3.5.3 and I have seen no different behaviour in the grammar and
spelling checker.

If I insert/delete a letter outside the red marking, the next word to be
corrected ist only partially marked red. i.e.
cONFUXION (capitals = red marked)
LO might offer as a better replacement confusion, clicking on change gives
cconfusion

A paragraph might be formatted as standard. Some words are in addition hard
formatted as bold. As soon as I do some manual correction outside the
red-marked words, the checker starts over checking that paragraph an killing
all hard formats.


Walther


Hi folks,

I am using the spelling and grammar checker quite often. However, there
are some nasty drawbacks (in all versions of OO and LO I know):

- any manual correction outside the (red marked) word will result in
either reevaluation of the whole paragraph, loss of hard formats in that
paragraph and/or a shift in the red mark of the follwing words to be
corrected. This means, the red formatted text might cover only part of
the word to be corrected. Thus, correction will fail.

Yours

Walther

I have not i\encountered this partial covering of the word with the
red markings.

Please tell up which version of LibreOffice you are using and what is
you Operating System.

The correction that fails - do you mean the failure of the spell
checking system to correctly pick up the word, or are you talking about
failure to pick up the grammar issues?

Loss of hard formatting in the paragraph?  could you give an example
please.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggests

2013-02-03 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/03/2013 07:58 AM, Roberta wrote:

Can you make libreoffice's interface more similar to the office 2013 one's?
Another thing... why doesn't artwork work on writer???



If LO gets too similar to MSO's user interface, then MS could take TDF 
to court for infringements to their look and feel of their office 
packages.  Their pocked change is in the millions of dollars for legal 
fees to push any company away from looking too much like what they do. 
MS and Apple have patented things like finger movements.  The pinch 
and page turning movements are patented by Apple so if they wanted, they 
could take EVERY tablet company to court to prevent them from using it.  
MS has patents like that. They could claim it and take a small company 
to court and break that company with legal fees.  MS has done that before.


SO
I do not want LO to look like MSO.  Actually I do not like MSO's ribbon 
look and feel.  I do not like MS Win8's tablet icon style of desktop, 
just like I do not like Unity's look and feel for Ubuntu [kept Ubuntu 
but switched to MATE d.e.].


The user interface designers did a lot of work to make it easy to use 
and to stay away from anything that might make a different office 
package company fee like we stoletheir designs.


---

The artwork on Writer? Are you talking about MSO's clipart system? 
Patented, I believe. If the individual clipart file are not working with 
Writer, well that is a different question all together. Give us an 
example of the file mime type [.jpg, .png, .pic, .gif, .tif, and others]


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/CheatSheets
This is not finished, but on that page you will see a list of image file 
types that LO uses.  Many of the older file types are no longer used my 
most of the market.  I have some old Corel Draw clipart that I am 
converting over to other formats soLO, GIMP, and other image working 
package can deal with them.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] spelling + grammar checker in writer

2013-02-02 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/02/2013 07:30 AM, Walther Koehler wrote:

Hi folks,

I am using the spelling and grammar checker quite often. However, there are
some nasty drawbacks (in all versions of OO and LO I know):

- any manual correction outside the (red marked) word will result in either
reevaluation of the whole paragraph, loss of hard formats in that paragraph
and/or a shift in the red mark of the follwing words to be corrected. This
means, the red formatted text might cover only part of the word to be
corrected. Thus, correction will fail.

Yours

Walther



I have not i\encountered this partial covering of the word with the 
red markings.


Please tell up which version of LibreOffice you are using and what is 
you Operating System.


The correction that fails - do you mean the failure of the spell 
checking system to correctly pick up the word, or are you talking about 
failure to pick up the grammar issues?


Loss of hard formatting in the paragraph?  could you give an example 
please.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER

2013-02-02 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P


On 02/02/2013 01:01 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Bug  fdo#60177 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60177
resolved as invalid after successful installation and printer function.

Anyone experiencing similar printer configuration issue on LibreOffice for
Windows upgrade to 4.0.0.3 RC3, i.e. Print dialogs show no printers, please
capture installation log and user profile and reopen this bug to post them.

Stuart



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Maybe you should let people know how to capture that log.  If I know how 
to do it, after I had the problem, I would have given it to the bug 
reporting process.


I have been installing LO since its earliest days and no not know how to 
capture the log wile doing a normal install, not a command line 
install like I finally did to get it working.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER

2013-02-02 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P



Lets make it easier for people than dealing with a bug report process.

Make it a place where you will find info to save or get before you make 
a bug report.


I had to make an account to get into the bug reporting system. How many 
people do you want to do that and then search for answers?



On 02/02/2013 06:38 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
already has something about how to get an strace or something in Windows.  
Perhaps somewhere in that page would be good.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2013, 22:30
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW 
STOPPER

Tim,

Good idea. I'll poke around on the Wiki's and see if I can find a good spot
to insert it. Of course folks would then need to realize they'd need to look
in the Wiki to get the information on how to capture a log of the install if
they're having problems with a Windows installation.

Suspect it will go under the how-to submit a bug Wiki content.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER



I just installed 4.0.0.3 on my Win7 laptop.

It will not show anyprinters at all.  Claims there is noneis installed.

4.0.0.2 does prints fine, but 4.0.0.3 does not.

This is a Show Stopper.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER


On 02/01/2013 03:44 PM, Joel Madero wrote:




On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:



I just installed 4.0.0.3 on my Win7 laptop.

It will not show anyprinters at all.  Claims there is noneis
installed.

4.0.0.2 does prints fine, but 4.0.0.3 does not.

This is a Show Stopper.


Crap, can you open a bug report on free desktop. Our QA team will 
investigate.



Best Regards,
Joel


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Never opened a bug report before, if I remember correctly.

Do you want me to send you a screen clip of what it looks like off list?

I have not installed .3 on any Ubuntu systems yet, but will go back to 
.2 for Win7.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER


On 02/01/2013 03:48 PM, Joel Madero wrote:






Never opened a bug report before, if I remember correctly.

Do you want me to send you a screen clip of what it looks like
off list?

I have not installed .3 on any Ubuntu systems yet, but will go
back to .2 for Win7.


I believe you ;) We just need a bug report so we can escalate this 
immediately.


https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/

BSA is pretty straight forward to report. You can send me a screenshot 
if you want, I'll take a look.



Best Regards,
Joel



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Bug Reported
print dialog screen photo added

4.0.0.2 reinstalled over top of .3, needed to do the repair since it 
would not run after the initial install of .2 over .3.   After I did the 
repair 4.0.0.2 works fine and prints fine.  Whatever the bug is, it 
happened when during the .3 changes.


I have NOT, tried 4.0.0.3 or .2 on any other OS besides Win7 64-bit.
I only have
Win7 [64-bit], WinXP[32-bit],
Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 64-bit and 10.04 32-bit.





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER



Well, I installed .2 back over .3 and the printers were there - same 
profile unless 4.0.0.2 resets the profile when installed.


Just installed .3 on a WinXP laptop.  Did not get the problem.

Got notice that is is not a show stopper, but major high, since it 
could not be duplicated.


Since you said it was already reported before I did today, then I must 
not be the only one that gets this error with Win7.



On 02/01/2013 05:27 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Its already been posted as fdo#60177

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60177





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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER