Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log

2011-06-12 Thread Hiisi
On 12 June 2011 04:14, James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/9/11 10:58 AM, Hiisi wrote: --SNIP-- Any other suggestions? You could always make the file world-read.  That means EVERYONE can read the file.  You just don't have to tell them Surely I can. I just thought there

Re: Unable to fix label of /run: read-only file system.

2011-06-12 Thread Joshua C.
2011/6/12 James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com: You can't.  The filesystem is marked as RO.  Is this a CD/DVD media?  If it is NOT, you have to mount the media as Read-Write so that the label can be updated. James. No, this started after I upgraded from f14 to f15. My grub entry says:

Re: Control + Alt + Backspace doesn't work :(

2011-06-12 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 06/12/2011 12:54 AM, Karol Babioch wrote: However there is one specific thing that doesn't seem to work, and I can't figure out why. This is the Ctrl + Alt + Backspace shortcut in order to restart the X server. This file could be related: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-system-setup-keyboard.conf

Re: Control + Alt + Backspace doesn't work :(

2011-06-12 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, Am 12.06.2011 11:42, schrieb Roberto Ragusa: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-system-setup-keyboard.conf this file contains the following: Option XkbOptionsterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp, Which hadn'T worked, for whatever reason. However I now realized that the shortcut wasn't enabled in the

Re: Upgraded F14 - F15, now how do I use this?

2011-06-12 Thread Gary Waters
On 06/11/2011 07:44 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Someone who asks what to do without having read the relevant postings needs do some homework, that's all. Fedora is a bleeding-edge system and no-one can expect to handle a version transition without at least keeping an

gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!

2011-06-12 Thread Gary Waters
Ok, no matter what I do I cannot change my desktop wallpaper and get it to stay put. After the switch and once I start multitasking it switches back to the default blue birds in a tree background. What the heck am I doing wrong this time? GW -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log

2011-06-12 Thread Andre Speelmans
Surely I can. I just thought there should be the other way. Say, thru sudo. Well, it seems that changing file attributes is the only way here. Add this to the Cmnd_alias: less /var/log/audit/audit.log -- Kind regards, André -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log

2011-06-12 Thread Benedict S
I think you can use acl to add this user to the attribute of the file of audit.log 2011/6/12 Andre Speelmans fedora-l...@cosiso.nl Surely I can. I just thought there should be the other way. Say, thru sudo. Well, it seems that changing file attributes is the only way here. Add this to

Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/11/11 11:37 PM, Hiisi wrote: On 12 June 2011 04:14, James McKenziejjmckenzi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/9/11 10:58 AM, Hiisi wrote: --SNIP-- Any other suggestions? You could always make the file world-read. That means EVERYONE can read the file. You just don't have to tell them

screensaver password fails first time, every time!

2011-06-12 Thread John Aldrich
Just wondering if anyone here has seen this behavior... I lock my screen when I get up (Fedora 15 running XFCE and Xscreensaver) and when I come back 99.999% of the time, I have to try twice to unlock the console. I *know* I'm entering the password correctly, but it still comes up as

Re: screensaver password fails first time, every time!

2011-06-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/12/2011 10:35 PM, John Aldrich wrote: Just wondering if anyone here has seen this behavior... I lock my screen when I get up (Fedora 15 running XFCE and Xscreensaver) and when I come back 99.999% of the time, I have to try twice to unlock the console. I *know* I'm entering the

Re: Unable to fix label of /run: read-only file system.

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 2:12 AM, Joshua C. wrote: 2011/6/12 James McKenziejjmckenzi...@gmail.com: You can't. The filesystem is marked as RO. Is this a CD/DVD media? If it is NOT, you have to mount the media as Read-Write so that the label can be updated. James. No, this started after I upgraded from

Default browser problem -

2011-06-12 Thread Bob Goodwin
F-15 and Firefox simply do not work as I want them to so I installed Google Chrome to try it. However when I click on a link in an e-mail message in Thunderbird it keeps starting Firefox instead of the default browser, Chrome. What am I missing,

Re: Default browser problem -

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 7:51 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: F-15 and Firefox simply do not work as I want them to so I installed Google Chrome to try it. However when I click on a link in an e-mail message in Thunderbird it keeps starting Firefox instead of the default

Re: screensaver password fails first time, every time!

2011-06-12 Thread John Aldrich
On Sun June 12 2011, Ed Greshko wrote: Well, I've seen this behavior on my system...but it is probably for a different reason. I've got an HP wireless USB mouse/keyboard. When I leave it alone for an extended period the first typed character goes missing. Realized this when the number

Re: Default browser problem -

2011-06-12 Thread Tim Evans
Check recent archives for this list. I have been reporting the same problem in reverse--that is, my system invokes Chrome when FF is set to default browser. Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: F-15 and Firefox simply do not work

Re: git patch comments

2011-06-12 Thread Todd Zullinger
James McKenzie wrote: On 6/8/11 2:52 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Turns into: Git comment - bullet 1 - bullet 2 This is how git formats the text when it sends the bug in. I've done this myself and was surprised when formatting I applied disappeared. If you want the latter, you'll have

Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!

2011-06-12 Thread BeartoothHOS
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 06:46:29 -0400, Gary Waters wrote: Ok, no matter what I do I cannot change my desktop wallpaper and get it to stay put. After the switch and once I start multitasking it switches back to the default blue birds in a tree background. What the heck am I doing wrong this time?

Cannot recompile grub - checking whether the C compiler works... no

2011-06-12 Thread Joshua C.
As the subject says I cannot recompile grub. Everytime I get checking whether the C compiler works... no. I explicitely installed all packages from http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/grub/0.97/74.fc15/data/logs/x86_64/root.log and have attached those in the packages.log file. The only

Re: Unable to fix label of /run: read-only file system.

2011-06-12 Thread Joshua C.
2011/6/12 James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com: The kernel is first mounted read only so that it can be validated as not corrupt and then remounted as read-write if it passed the check.  I would not change this unless you are certain that the kernel will never become corrupted.  This does

Re: Default browser problem -

2011-06-12 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 12/06/11 11:11, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:51 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: F-15 and Firefox simply do not work as I want them to so I installed Google Chrome to try it. However when I click on a link in an e-mail message in Thunderbird it keeps

Re: Default browser problem -

2011-06-12 Thread Steven Stern
On 06/12/2011 11:22 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 12/06/11 11:11, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:51 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: F-15 and Firefox simply do not work as I want them to so I installed Google Chrome to try it. However when I click on a link in an

Re: Default browser problem -

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 9:22 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 12/06/11 11:11, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:51 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: F-15 and Firefox simply do not work as I want them to so I installed Google Chrome to try it. However when I click on a link in an e-mail

Re: Default browser problem

2011-06-12 Thread Bob Goodwin
In the process of messing with Thunderbird I wiped out all my mail and had to start this thread anew. The only way I was able to get Thunderbird to treat Chrome as the default browser was to yum remove Firefox. Still the initial problem remains. I may be

Re: screensaver password fails first time, every time!

2011-06-12 Thread Robert Nichols
On 06/12/2011 10:21 AM, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun June 12 2011, Ed Greshko wrote: Well, I've seen this behavior on my system...but it is probably for a different reason. I've got an HP wireless USB mouse/keyboard. When I leave it alone for an extended period the first typed character goes

systemd problem with some services

2011-06-12 Thread Reid Rivenburgh
I preupgraded from F14 to F15 a few weeks ago. It's mostly running fine now, but there are some services that aren't working properly with systemd. Two examples are ddclient (which updates my IP address with dyndns) and pyTivo (a server for Tivo). They don't start on boot. Here's what I get:

Re: systemd problem with some services

2011-06-12 Thread Tom Horsley
I'm new to systemd, obviously, and don't know what the problem is. As are we all :-). I had problems getting stunnel to start. I think the key here is networking. It sure seems like any services that need to talk right away on the network (versus merely listening) don't work during the boot. I

Re: systemd problem with some services

2011-06-12 Thread Reid Rivenburgh
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm new to systemd, obviously, and don't know what the problem is. As are we all :-). I had problems getting stunnel to start. I think the key here is networking. It sure seems like any services that need to talk right

Updating Adobe Air

2011-06-12 Thread Alex
Hi, I use the Adobe Air binaries to support Pandora on my fedora14 box. Adobe Air is displaying a message that updates are available, but every time I try to update it, it prompts me for the root password, then prints a message that says Adobe AIR could not be installed. Install either Gnome

Autofs not working?

2011-06-12 Thread Reid Rivenburgh
Another problem I've noticed since upgrading to F15 is that autofs isn't working correctly. I have these lines in /etc/auto.misc: disk3 -fstype=ext4:/dev/disk/by-uuid/71bdf81d[...] #disk4 -fstype=ext4:/dev/disk/by-uuid/37f607ea[...] disk4 -fstype=ext4

Re: Autofs not working?

2011-06-12 Thread Reid Rivenburgh
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Reid Rivenburgh re...@pobox.com wrote: Another problem I've noticed since upgrading to F15 is that autofs isn't working correctly.  I have these lines in /etc/auto.misc: disk3           -fstype=ext4    :/dev/disk/by-uuid/71bdf81d[...] #disk4          

Re: Autofs not working?

2011-06-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On 12/06/11 22:40, Reid Rivenburgh wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Reid Rivenburghre...@pobox.com wrote: Another problem I've noticed since upgrading to F15 is that autofs isn't working correctly. I have these lines in /etc/auto.misc: disk3 -fstype=ext4

Re: screensaver password fails first time, every time! (Solved???)

2011-06-12 Thread John Aldrich
On Sun June 12 2011, Robert Nichols wrote: Hmm... interesting. I didn't think of that... I *do* have a wireless keyboard and mouse (separate receivers) Maybe I ought to high numlock or something first to wake up the keyboard... thanks! Just tap a shift key first. Anything that

Re: Autofs not working?

2011-06-12 Thread Reid Rivenburgh
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/06/11 22:40, Reid Rivenburgh wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Reid Rivenburghre...@pobox.com  wrote: Another problem I've noticed since upgrading to F15 is that autofs isn't working correctly.  I have these

Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Patrick Bartek
It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. My current and future needs are for a support life measured in years, not months. And CentOS and Scientific Linux didn't fulfill my other requirements. Neither did the Rolling Release distros:

Re: Updating Adobe Air

2011-06-12 Thread Ed Greshko
I use the Adobe Air binaries to support Pandora on my fedora14 box. Adobe Air is displaying a message that updates are available, but every time I try to update it, it prompts me for the root password, then prints a message that says Adobe AIR could not be installed. Install either Gnome

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Andras Simon
On 6/13/11, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: [...] Considered XFCE and LXDE instead, but decided the best option was to abandon the Desktop GUI environment all-together in favor of a well-featured window manager, simple launch bar for most used apps, floating menus for the others,

Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!

2011-06-12 Thread Gary Waters
On 06/12/2011 11:53 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 06:46:29 -0400, Gary Waters wrote: Ok, no matter what I do I cannot change my desktop wallpaper and get it to stay put. After the switch and once I start multitasking it switches back to the default blue birds in a tree

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/13/2011 06:08 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I'll still keep an eye on Fedora for old time's sake. And 12 will stay on the system as a back up. So, it's not exactly farewell, just . . . Auf Wiedersehen, I've recently switched from briefs to boxers. Somehow I don't think that is worthy

Re: Default browser problem -

2011-06-12 Thread Tim Evans
Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: On 06/12/2011 11:22 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 12/06/11 11:11, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:51 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: F-15 and Firefox simply do not work as I want them to so

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:08, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. This reminds me of OS/2 users on oS/2 maling list who often decided that not only they had to change OS, they had to write

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 20:14, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: I've recently switched from briefs to boxers.  Somehow I don't think that is worthy of an announcement either.   :-) :-) Heh what a great alternative way to ay what I replied in another post. Good riddance, good luck, but

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 4:36 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:08, Patrick Bartekbartek...@yahoo.com wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. This reminds me of OS/2 users on oS/2 maling list who often decided that not

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread inode0
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 20:14, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: I've recently switched from briefs to boxers.  Somehow I don't think that is worthy of an announcement either.   :-) :-) Heh what a great

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 3:36 PM, Andras Simon wrote: On 6/13/11, Patrick Bartekbartek...@yahoo.com wrote: [...] Considered XFCE and LXDE instead, but decided the best option was to abandon the Desktop GUI environment all-together in favor of a well-featured window manager, simple launch bar for most

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 4:58 PM, inode0 wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Fernando Cassiafcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 20:14, Ed Greshkoed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: I've recently switched from briefs to boxers. Somehow I don't think that is worthy of an announcement either.

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger you incessantly about learning how to use the Windows interface and/or adapting to

Re: Updating Adobe Air

2011-06-12 Thread Alex
Hi, Any idea what the issue could be here? Why does it require these applications? I don't ever recall having any difficulty updating this application in the past. gnome-keyring is already installed according to rpm, but is there something I need to do to enable it or something? You said

Re: Updating Adobe Air

2011-06-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/13/2011 09:10 AM, Alex wrote: Yes, I hadn't realized they were available in a repo. Can you point me to info on how to use this repo? If you go to http://get.adobe.com/air/ and select YUM as the version to download it will download an rpm containing the adobe repo information. After

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread David
On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger you incessantly about learning how

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/13/2011 08:48 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger you incessantly about learning how

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger you

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 6:54 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/13/2011 08:48 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread nomnex
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:07:10 -0700 James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com wrote: snip all, not worth reading again The last comment comes from a OSX Mac user. if I recall, you can only re-size the windows using the bottom left side on Mac, not to confuse the user-base=BIG ego, poor skills. And

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread David
On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. When you run Windows for the

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread JD
On 06/12/2011 03:08 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. My current and future needs are for a support life measured in years, not months. And CentOS and Scientific Linux didn't fulfill my other

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread John Aldrich
On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 7:08 PM, nomnex wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:07:10 -0700 James McKenziejjmckenzi...@gmail.com wrote: snip all, not worth reading again The last comment comes from a OSX Mac user. if I recall, you can only re-size the windows using the bottom left side on Mac, not to confuse

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 7:17 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Stephen Bunn
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John Aldrich jmaldr...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger you incessantly about learning

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 7:20 PM, JD wrote: On 06/12/2011 03:08 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. My current and future needs are for a support life measured in years, not months. And CentOS and Scientific Linux

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread David
On 6/12/2011 10:22 PM, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. When you run Windows for the

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread David
On 6/12/2011 10:31 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:17 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if

Missing icons on LXDE

2011-06-12 Thread Sergio Belkin
Hi, I' don't know why but icons have disappeared of LXDE desktop. I even run pcmanfm --desktop --profile lxde , logout and login and nothing! I'm using Fedora 15 Greetings -- -- Sergio Belkin  http://www.sergiobelkin.com Watch More TV http://sebelk.blogspot.com LPIC-2 Certified -

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 7:30 PM, Stephen Bunn wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John Aldrich jmaldr...@yahoo.com mailto:jmaldr...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 When you

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 7:37 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 10:22 PM, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 7:42 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 10:31 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:17 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: We

Re: Default browser problem -

2011-06-12 Thread john wendel
On 06/12/2011 04:16 PM, Tim Evans wrote: Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com mailto:subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: On 06/12/2011 11:22 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 12/06/11 11:11, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:51 AM, Bob

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread David
On 6/12/2011 11:04 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:42 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 10:31 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 7:17 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/12/2011 10:26 PM, James McKenzie wrote: Marketing is what is it is all about. You could make the best gizmo in the business, but if you cannot get folks to use it, you just wasted your time and alot of someone else's money. This happened with OS/2 when Microsoft introduced

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread James McKenzie
On 6/12/11 8:15 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 06/12/2011 10:26 PM, James McKenzie wrote: Marketing is what is it is all about. You could make the best gizmo in the business, but if you cannot get folks to use it, you just wasted your time and alot of someone else's money. This happened

[genu] Test

2011-06-12 Thread ganu MailList
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Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Phil Savoie
On 12/06/2011 11:12 PM, David wrote: I see. Now I understand you completely. Since Linux is user supported. I am sure that the developers would welcome any tutorials that you would write and provide. That is the way the Linux works. As for the folks in Redmond? I doubt that they will loose a

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/13/2011 09:26 AM, James McKenzie wrote: I don't expect to see much from Fedora 15 for at least another year or so. Maybe Gnome3 will be added to RHEL 6.2, but that is a ways off. Umm. No., RHEL 7 will be the earliest that GNOME 3.x will be included. Neither RHEL nor Fedora will

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 06/13/2011 12:06 AM, Phil Savoie wrote: James, No point in arguing with this guy. This *is* the reason why linux in general is the state in which you describe. Responses like his only further prove your points. It's too bad that there are way more David's out there than those like

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Stephen Bunn
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.comwrote: On 6/12/11 7:30 PM, Stephen Bunn wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John Aldrich jmaldr...@yahoo.com mailto:jmaldr...@yahoo.com wrote: Seriously? You aren't really trying to argue the point that windows

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: From: David dgbo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Adieu, Fedora To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:17 PM On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom

Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-12 Thread Klaus Pedersen
I don't know if it is yum, the package group definitions or the package dependencies that are wrong - but no matter who is to blame - the result is definitely not intuitive (or imho correct)... After being hit by a fatal error in preupgrade, I am now unable to re-run the upgrade because of low

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Antonio Olivares
Linux has always been the geek OS. And the directions have always been written in Geek for Geeks. Yes.  To grow the desktop, we need to start embracing the common user.  There are a limited number of geeks and they cannot sustain Linux.  Not at a financially viable level... I

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 06/13/2011 01:11 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: I like to fix machines for my students and they laugh and joke around when a fake rogue virus shows up that it is scanning and I start the machine in safe mode and look for the startup folder in the user/TEMP/ApplicationData/ folders where

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-12 Thread nomnex
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:26:47 -0700 James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@gmail.com wrote: are trying to copy the functionality of MacOSX Aqua. It is simple and basically hides most functions most users will never want to touch and in most cases, should not touch. You seems passionate making your point