Re: Alternative of Workrave

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/03/18 11:54, Robbi Nespu wrote:
> Do anyone can suggest me alternative of Workrave that work with Fedora 27 
> Gnome?


Don't use those type of programs.  But using a google search of "workrave
alternatives" and then checking the repos got me "rsibreak" for one.  I suppose 
you
could consider doing that.


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Alternative of Workrave

[Robbi Nespu]

Do anyone can suggest me alternative of Workrave that work with Fedora 27
Gnome?

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: how to prevent google-chrome from starting full screen in gnome3?

[Amadeus WM]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 08:12:55 -0500, Wells, Roger K. wrote:

> On 03/02/2018 07:51 AM, Amadeus WM wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 07:40:10 -0500, Ted Roche wrote:
>>
>>> "Metro" and "Chrome" are window modes for Microsoft Windows 8. This
>>> doesn't apply to Gnome3 on Fedora.
>>>
>>> I believe that Chrome starts in the window condition it was last in:
>>> if you close Chrome in full-screen mode, that's what it starts up in
>>> next time.
>>>
>>> To prevent from Chrome starting  in full-window mode, click on
>>> Chrome's top bar, other than on the tabs and buttons, to take it out
>>> of full-window mode (I don't know what this mode is called) before
>>> closing Chrome.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Amadeus WM 
>>> wrote:
 No sure if this is a gnome3 problem or a chrome problem, but it's
 very annoying. It was not happening in F26 running Mate. The only
 somewhat useful answer I've found on google was this:

 https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/O2riRmf3BCE

 which says I have to switch from metro to chrome. Does anyone know
 how to do that?

 Thanks!

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>> I thought so and I tried that too, but it won't remember the last
>> state,
>> it always starts full screen. Pan does the same thing. It must be some
>> gnome3 setting.
> 
> I just did the following;
> 1. open google chrome.  It did so using full screen.
> 2. I positioned & sized it at a new location.
> 3. then exited via the exit option in the drop down menu.
> 4. restarted chrome and it came up in the position & size that I left it
> in.
> 
> uname -r: 4.15.4-300.fc27.x86_64 gnome-3.26 Google Chrome: Version
> 64.0.3282.186 (Official Build) (64-bit)
> 
> HTH
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Thanks, that worked! I believe when I did that before, I must have had 
other chrome windows still open in other workspaces. It's all good now, 
thanks!


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Re: setting screen resolution at boot

[stan]

On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:54:08 -0700
JD  wrote:
 
> Interesting!!! I am not familiar with that, as this is the first time
> I am encountering this problem of fedora on a 1920x1200 screen.
> 1. Default fonts are just too small.
> 2. Icons of running apps on the bottom panel of Mate DT
>  are incredibly small and undiscernible.
> 3. On the first gui login creen, if  click on the tiny icon of power
> switch, the drop down menu is so tiny,  I have to use 2.0 power
> reading glasses to see where the Shutdown, or Restart selections are.

I can understand why you want to fix this.

> I have done that, but I thought it is a rather kludgey thing to do,
> because there does not seem to be a system-wide setting that
> is used by all components of system and apps.

You might get some ideas from this older question from someone with the
same issue.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/675015/high-resolution-screen-creates-tiny-icons-and-text-with-mate-desktop
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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[stan]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:29:18 -
"Farhad Mohammadi Majd"  wrote:

> Instead of upgrade, I did install LightDM, then stop-disable
> gdm.service and enable lightdm.service, then I did boot Fedora without
> "nomodeset" kernel parameter and the result was LightDM ran on the
> highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080, but like the
> past, none of the available sessions can't start, I did reboot again
> without "nomodeset" and log-in as normal user in one TTY then `startx'
> the below log is for this:
> 
> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/HlME-Kh45WrnP8tkA02fdw
> 

This seems strange
RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 508 x 285
but everything else looks good right up until you switch back to a
virtual console.  So, I think there is an error in the startup of the
gnome desktop you are using.  Can you try another desktop?  The lightest
weight desktop available is LXDE, so it wouldn't take a lot of
installs.  And, because it is so simple, it is likely to be less
affected by any conflicts that are affecting your gnome desktop.

I think there is also a way to tell Gnome to run X instead of wayland
from the desktop manager.  Have you tried that?

When the desktop fails to start, and you switch to a virtual console,
if you run journalctl -r (reverse) there should be an indication of what
went wrong with the desktop startup also.

Here's another method.  Boot into runlevel 3.  Then run the commands
below in your home directory.  This boots Gnome directly into X.  The
advantage here is that the errors will display in the terminal if Gnome
fails to start.

echo '#! /bin/bash' > $XCLIENTS
echo ' ' >> $XCLIENTS
chmod +x $XCLIENTS
echo 'GSESSION="$(type -p gnome-session)"' >> $XCLIENTS
echo 'exec $GSESSION' >> $XCLIENTS
startx

> you can see them in log files in the line begins with "Kernel command
> line"
> 
> "  ro nomodeset rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8"
> 

If this were a kernel problem, it might be worthwhile to remove quiet,
but for the actual issue this line is fine (you might want to
permanently remove the nomodeset, though, since your card supports
modeset).

> > What is the resolution on the virtual console when you boot into
> > runlevel 3?  
> 
> the highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080

Your kernel and driver are just fine.  You can confirm by running
lsmod | grep radeon
and seeing radeon show up.

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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 11:08 -0800, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > So a hidden link which is not clickable. However I wasn't in fact
> > talking about a link to the individual message, which IIRC we never had
> > in the old version either. I mean a static pointer to the Archives page
> > or more usefully to the general list information page, which is what
> > one would expect to see labelled as "users mailing list" rather than
> > the mailto: link which is actually there.
> 
> They are all in the headers:
> 
> List-Id: Community support for Fedora users 
> Archived-At:
> 
> List-Archive:
> 
> List-Help: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Subscribe: 
> List-Unsubscribe: 
> 
> Depending on your mail client it may or may not show them somehow
> outside that.

Those are RFC2368-compliant headers which do not include the list info
page I mentioned. Since the previous system did include that in the
standard footer (which was thus visible to *every* mail client) I'm
wondering why it was removed. Instead there is a redundant URL for
posting to the list, which merely repeats information that's already in
the To: header.

poc
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Re: how to prevent google-chrome from starting full screen in gnome3?

[Amadeus WM]

> By "full screen" do you mean you don't see the title bar at all? or do
> you mean the window is maximised?

maximized.
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Re: cssh as non root - No protocol specified

[Rick Stevens]

On 02/27/2018 04:54 PM, bruce wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 4:40 PM, bruce  wrote:
>> Hi.. again...
>>
>> ok..
>>
>> If I create /etc/clusters
>>
>> cat /etc/clusters
>> #clusters = testcluster
>>
>> testcluster1 -a "-t screen -r cSession" cuser@1.2.3.4
>>
>> cssh testcluster1 doesn't work... throws up a number of windows/terms
>> that immediately crash..
>>
>> However, running
>>testcluster1 -a "-t screen -r cSession" cuser@1.2.3.4
>> from the cmdline does work...
>>
>> and it displays the term/window in the running screen session..
>>
>> So, got 2 questions/issues...
>>
>> 1- is there a way to get this to work in the config file??
>> 2- running from the cmdline works.. but when I do a " ctrlA-d to get
>> out of the screen session.. I also kill the term!
>> Is there a way to be able to "launch the screen" but also be able
>> to kill the screen session, returning to the
>> shell if the cssh/window...
>> I could prob run some quick/dirty shell script to fire up the
>> screen session.. within the window when it gets launched..
>>  but that seems kludgy..
>>
>> thoughts/comments..
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, bruce  wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Testing the cssh process.
>>>
>>> I configured the /etc/clusters file to have
>>> -testcluser foo@1.2.3.4
>>>
>>> As user 'foo' I run -- cssh testuser
>>>
>>> Process returns:
>>>Connection to server failed -- (version 11.0)
>>>No protocol specified
>>>at /usr/bin/cssh line 2152
>>>
>>> As a test, logged in as root ran the same thing.. a term displayed.
>>>
>>> So, I've got something misconfigured on the local to run the gui process.
>>>
>>> In the /etc/ssh/ssh_config I tested with both
>>>   ForwardX11 yes/no 
>>>
>>> with no difference
>>>
>>> Looking through the 'net I se a number of possible issues, but as I
>>> currently work through them, no change.
>>>
>>> Thoughts/comments??
>>>
>>> Thanks
> 
> 
> Followup...
> 
> Tried to see if it's possible to use cssh to "run" an initial cmd upon
> launch. Unable to get it to work.

Hmmm. Well, if the command you told the remote system to run simply does
something and exits, the cssh session won't hang around after the
command completes since it wasn't an interactive session.

> The following was used.
> 
> cssh  -debug 1 --title '11' -a '/home/crawl_user/cssh1.php' crawl_user@1,2,3,4
> 
> This is run on the local, to invoke  a term/window for the remote.
> 
> The test cssh1.php is a simple php using an input screenSession name
> to run/generate the screenSession on the remote.
> 
> #!/usr/bin/php
>  
> /*
>  cssh1.php
> */
> 
> $t=$argv[1];
> //print $t."\n";
> $t="screen -r ".$t;
> `$t &`;
> 
> ?>
> 
> In running the cssh, I get ::
> Loading keymaps and keycodes
> Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, None of the
> authentication protocols specified are supported
> 159.203.188.67  session closed
> 
> where the term/window is displayed for a sec and then dies.
> 
> by the way, running
> 
> cssh --title '252' -a "-t screen -r crawl2Session" crawl_user@1.2.3.4 
> &
> 
> works as expected with the term fired up and the screen session running.
> 
> Any thoughts on what's missing with the attempt as passing arg to the
> php to get it to run remotely?

Telling cssh to run something like "screen -r" at the remote end won't
work since having cssh pass a command to the remote end makes this a
non-interactive session. In fact, you should see some message like

You must be connected to a terminal

in the remote end's cssh window while it's open. Thus, once cssh
connects to the remote end and gives it the "screen -r" command, the
session ends. The correct command for what you want to do is:

cssh --title '252' -o '-t' -a 'screen -r crawl2Session' 
crawl_user@1.2.3.4

The trick is the "-o '-t'", telling _ssh_ to allocate a terminal (and
thus making it an interactive session). The cssh window will stay opened
to the screen session on the remote end. Hitting "CTRL-A d" in the
cssh window will detach from the screen session and cssh will close the
window once you've detached.

Remember, all cssh does is open windows and run ssh sessions to the
various remote hosts in those windows. You're still governed by ssh and
how it does things.
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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[Tim]

On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 11:08 -0800, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> They are all in the headers:
>
> List-Id: Community support for Fedora users 
> Archived-At: 
> 
> List-Archive: 
> 
> ...[snip]...
> 
> Depending on your mail client it may or may not show them somehow
> outside that.

Essentially, hidden, and unusable to a lot of people.  Since they're
not visible, most people won't even know about them to go looking for
them, there.  Many people will not be able to do anything with them,
even if they can find them.

Don't expect anything other than software to make use of mail headers. 
The mail headers are for programs to use, not people.

And it doesn't save any bandwidth by taking things out of the message
body and stuffing them into the header.  At the very least, there ought
to be one web address in the message footer that lets a person manage
their mail subscription (an address that takes them to a page where
they can subscribe, access the archives, etc., like the messages used
to have).

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Re: cups sucks!!! Epilogue

[David A. De Graaf]

On 02/27/18 17:04, François Patte wrote:

Le 25/02/2018 à 19:42, François Patte a écrit :

Bonjour.

I try to configure a printer on my local network but all attemps fail.

I have a printer attached to one computer on an usb port and I want to
use it with other computers on my local network.

I opened firefox on one computer and miracle: the printer attached to
the other computer is discovered and cups admin interface asks me if I
want to add this printer. Nice: the job is easy!! *But* this does not
work at all!!

Sending a test page returns that the printer is not responding.

I tried to cofigure the printer using the "Add printer" way and chose
ipp. According to the given syntax, I wrote: ipp://name-of-server/ipp
but this does not work: sending a test page returns that the printer is
misconfigured or no longer exists...

I replaced the name of the server by its IP address... same result.

I tried: ipp://name-of-server:631/printers/name-of-printer-on-server. It
does not work, the message is now: Filter failed.

What fiter? I don't know as cups logs no longer exist since systemd...

Does somebody know a solution?

After googleling a lot I could solve my problem but in a very strange way!

First I found some people talking about the impossibility to use the
same driver on the server (the computer to which the printer is plugged)
and the other computers on the LAN, them claimed that the driver to use
on the clients must be the "raw" driver. So I tried to modify the
configuration on a client, changing the driver to raw, but cups refuses
at the end to modify the config and I had to delete the printer on the
client and to re-add the printer from scratch using the raw driver and
cups accepted this way of doing.

But printing a test page failed. "Filter failed" was the error!
journalctl gives useless information, just a joke (maybe): " Job stopped
due to filter errors; please consult the error_log file for details."
There is no more error_log file

At last I tried to use the "automatic way": ask cups to find the
printers on the LAN and add the computer. Using this way, I chose the
raw driver (cups accepted this) but the configuration failed one more
time: "the printer is misconfigured or no longer exists".

So, I asked to modify this configuration, replacing the dnssd address by
an ipp one and I did not change the driver in this modification and,
this time, cups accepted the modification and at last the printer worked!

cups really sucks!

The cups system in Fedora 27 has taken a giant step backward from prior 
versions in that browsing no longer works automatically.  In F26, if the 
cups-browsed service was enabled and started, all the printers on the 
LAN would be discovered and be available for use - automatically.

In F27 this no longer works.  But there is a workaround.

I must now edit /etc/cups/cups-browsed.conf on each and every client 
machine to add these lines:

 BrowsePoll datium
 BrowsePoll datair
 LocalQueueNamingRemoteCUPS RemoteName

where datium and datair are _my_ servers with connected printers. Note 
that Fully Qualified Names, such as datium.datix.lan, are NOT 
acceptable.  With only two physical printers and a handful of client 
machines on my LAN, this is marginally tolerable;  with a much larger 
LAN, it isn't.


I've complained in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518415 
and in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1525937.
Apparently the "upstream" developers have a much different view than me 
of why Linux printing has traditionally been so successful and reliable 
and are hell-bent on "fixing" it.


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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[Kevin Fenzi]

On 03/02/2018 08:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 10:49 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:00:14PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> Is there any other justification for it? And why do messages to this
>>> list no longer include a URL pointing at the archives (probably not
>>> specifically a HK problem but still).
>>
>>
>> They do -- it's just in the header. For example:
>>
>> Archived-At: 
>> 
>>
>> This is one of the nice things about the new setup, for what it's
>> worth. The old archiver did not have persistent links to individual
>> messages. (If we had to remove one from the archive for privacy law or
>> other legal reasons, _all newer messages that month_ shifted in number,
>> making any links to them wrong.) This link is persistent and generated
>> when the mail is sent.
> 
> So a hidden link which is not clickable. However I wasn't in fact
> talking about a link to the individual message, which IIRC we never had
> in the old version either. I mean a static pointer to the Archives page
> or more usefully to the general list information page, which is what
> one would expect to see labelled as "users mailing list" rather than
> the mailto: link which is actually there.

They are all in the headers:

List-Id: Community support for Fedora users 
Archived-At:

List-Archive:

List-Help: 
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: 
List-Unsubscribe: 

Depending on your mail client it may or may not show them somehow
outside that.

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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 10:49 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:00:14PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Is there any other justification for it? And why do messages to this
> > list no longer include a URL pointing at the archives (probably not
> > specifically a HK problem but still).
> 
> 
> They do -- it's just in the header. For example:
> 
> Archived-At: 
> 
> 
> This is one of the nice things about the new setup, for what it's
> worth. The old archiver did not have persistent links to individual
> messages. (If we had to remove one from the archive for privacy law or
> other legal reasons, _all newer messages that month_ shifted in number,
> making any links to them wrong.) This link is persistent and generated
> when the mail is sent.

So a hidden link which is not clickable. However I wasn't in fact
talking about a link to the individual message, which IIRC we never had
in the old version either. I mean a static pointer to the Archives page
or more usefully to the general list information page, which is what
one would expect to see labelled as "users mailing list" rather than
the mailto: link which is actually there.

poc
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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:00:14PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Is there any other justification for it? And why do messages to this
> list no longer include a URL pointing at the archives (probably not
> specifically a HK problem but still).


They do -- it's just in the header. For example:

Archived-At: 


This is one of the nice things about the new setup, for what it's
worth. The old archiver did not have persistent links to individual
messages. (If we had to remove one from the archive for privacy law or
other legal reasons, _all newer messages that month_ shifted in number,
making any links to them wrong.) This link is persistent and generated
when the mail is sent.

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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

> Could you try doing a dnf distro-sync as root from runlevel 3, just
> to be sure no cruft was left around from the upgrade to F27.

Yes I could, but there was 900-1000 MB data for full upgrade! I did
remove some packages which I don't use them like "libreoffice**",
"qt**", 'cheese', gnome-boxes, totem, rhythmbox and even firefox, this
reduced size of upgrade to 500-600 MB, but because there is no guaranty
after download all of them my problem be solved, I didn't upgrade.

Instead of upgrade, I did install LightDM, then stop-disable
gdm.service and enable lightdm.service, then I did boot Fedora without
"nomodeset" kernel parameter and the result was LightDM ran on the
highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080, but like the
past, none of the available sessions can't start, I did reboot again
without "nomodeset" and log-in as normal user in one TTY then `startx'
the below log is for this:

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/HlME-Kh45WrnP8tkA02fdw

> Could you show the kernel settings line?

you can see them in log files in the line begins with "Kernel command line"

"  ro nomodeset rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8"

> What is the resolution on the virtual console when you boot into runlevel 3?

the highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080

> If you type the command journalctl -b and look through the output, do
> you see any error when the kernel tries to load the radeon module?

yes, there was some lines in the red color when I boot Fedora with
"nomodeset" but there was no red colored lines when boot without
'nomodeset' and even run the command `startx' as root:

<>
[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
.
.
[drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!


> What does the negotiation look like for video?

what should I do?
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Re: how to prevent google-chrome from starting full screen in gnome3?

[Ahmad Samir]

On 2 March 2018 at 00:53, Amadeus WM  wrote:
> No sure if this is a gnome3 problem or a chrome problem, but it's very
> annoying. It was not happening in F26 running Mate. The only somewhat
> useful answer I've found on google was this:
>
> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/O2riRmf3BCE
>
> which says I have to switch from metro to chrome. Does anyone know how to
> do that?
>
> Thanks!
>

By "full screen" do you mean you don't see the title bar at all? or do
you mean the window is maximised?

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: how to prevent google-chrome from starting full screen in gnome3?

[Wells, Roger K.]

On 03/02/2018 07:51 AM, Amadeus WM wrote:

On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 07:40:10 -0500, Ted Roche wrote:


"Metro" and "Chrome" are window modes for Microsoft Windows 8. This
doesn't apply to Gnome3 on Fedora.

I believe that Chrome starts in the window condition it was last in:
if you close Chrome in full-screen mode, that's what it starts up in
next time.

To prevent from Chrome starting  in full-window mode, click on Chrome's
top bar, other than on the tabs and buttons, to take it out of
full-window mode (I don't know what this mode is called) before closing
Chrome.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Amadeus WM 
wrote:

No sure if this is a gnome3 problem or a chrome problem, but it's very
annoying. It was not happening in F26 running Mate. The only somewhat
useful answer I've found on google was this:

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/O2riRmf3BCE

which says I have to switch from metro to chrome. Does anyone know how
to do that?

Thanks!

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I thought so and I tried that too, but it won't remember the last state,
it always starts full screen. Pan does the same thing. It must be some
gnome3 setting.


I just did the following;
1. open google chrome.  It did so using full screen.
2. I positioned & sized it at a new location.
3. then exited via the exit option in the drop down menu.
4. restarted chrome and it came up in the position & size that I left it in.

uname -r: 4.15.4-300.fc27.x86_64
gnome-3.26
Google Chrome: Version 64.0.3282.186 (Official Build) (64-bit)

HTH

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Re: how to prevent google-chrome from starting full screen in gnome3?

[Amadeus WM]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 07:40:10 -0500, Ted Roche wrote:

> "Metro" and "Chrome" are window modes for Microsoft Windows 8. This
> doesn't apply to Gnome3 on Fedora.
> 
> I believe that Chrome starts in the window condition it was last in:
> if you close Chrome in full-screen mode, that's what it starts up in
> next time.
> 
> To prevent from Chrome starting  in full-window mode, click on Chrome's
> top bar, other than on the tabs and buttons, to take it out of
> full-window mode (I don't know what this mode is called) before closing
> Chrome.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Amadeus WM 
> wrote:
>> No sure if this is a gnome3 problem or a chrome problem, but it's very
>> annoying. It was not happening in F26 running Mate. The only somewhat
>> useful answer I've found on google was this:
>>
>> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/O2riRmf3BCE
>>
>> which says I have to switch from metro to chrome. Does anyone know how
>> to do that?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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I thought so and I tried that too, but it won't remember the last state, 
it always starts full screen. Pan does the same thing. It must be some 
gnome3 setting. 
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Re: how to prevent google-chrome from starting full screen in gnome3?

[Ted Roche]

"Metro" and "Chrome" are window modes for Microsoft Windows 8. This
doesn't apply to Gnome3 on Fedora.

I believe that Chrome starts in the window condition it was last in:
if you close Chrome in full-screen mode, that's what it starts up in
next time.

To prevent from Chrome starting  in full-window mode, click on
Chrome's top bar, other than on the tabs and buttons, to take it out
of full-window mode (I don't know what this mode is called) before
closing Chrome.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Amadeus WM  wrote:
> No sure if this is a gnome3 problem or a chrome problem, but it's very
> annoying. It was not happening in F26 running Mate. The only somewhat
> useful answer I've found on google was this:
>
> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/O2riRmf3BCE
>
> which says I have to switch from metro to chrome. Does anyone know how to
> do that?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

> Could you try doing a dnf distro-sync as root from runlevel 3, just
> to be sure no cruft was left around from the upgrade to F27.

Yes I could, but there was 900-1000 MB data for full upgrade! I did
remove some packages which I don't use them like "libreoffice**",
"qt**", 'cheese', gnome-boxes, totem, rhythmbox and even firefox, this
reduced size of upgrade to 500-600 MB, but because there is no guaranty
after download all of them my problem be solved, I didn't upgrade.

Instead of upgrade, I did install LightDM, then stop-disable
gdm.service and enable lightdm.service, then I did boot Fedora without
"nomodeset" kernel parameter and the result was LightDM ran on the
highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080, but like the
past, none of the available sessions can't start, I did reboot again
without "nomodeset" and log-in as normal user in one TTY then `startx'
the below log is for this:

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/HlME-Kh45WrnP8tkA02fdw

> Could you show the kernel settings line?

you can see them in log files in the line begins with "Kernel command
line"

"  ro nomodeset rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8"

> What is the resolution on the virtual console when you boot into
> runlevel 3?

the highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080

> If you type the command journalctl -b and look through the output, do
> you see any error when the kernel tries to load the radeon module?

yes, there was some lines in the red color when I boot Fedora with
"nomodeset" but there was no red colored lines when boot without
'nomodeset' and even run the command `startx' as root:

<>
[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
.
.
[drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!


> What does the negotiation look like for video?

what should I do?
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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 08:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 03/02/18 07:23, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I'm not sure what your point is. Why would our respective mail
> > providers matter? List traffic is sent out by the list software, not by
> > the OP's provider. And for the record, the message in question is not
> > in my spam folder.
> 
> 
> I also have no record of getting the original posting, by Farhad Mohammadi 
> Majd in my
> inbox or spam.  I do have emails from that person in replies to different 
> threads.
> 
> And, for the record, I've other instances where folks have posted directly in
> HyperKitty that haven't made it to my inbox or spam.


Is anyone else find HyperKitty annoying? What is the point of all that
white space? The old system seemed perfectly functional to me. Is it
worth it to enable posting via the web page, with the attendant bugs?
Is there any other justification for it? And why do messages to this
list no longer include a URL pointing at the archives (probably not
specifically a HK problem but still).


poc
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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2018-03-01 at 16:09 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 03/01/2018 03:23 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I'm not sure what your point is. Why would our respective mail
> > providers matter? List traffic is sent out by the list software, not by
> > the OP's provider. And for the record, the message in question is not
> > in my spam folder.
> 
> Sorry, I thought you would have seen past discussions on this topic.  If 
> my memory of this is correct, Yahoo has some DNS marking for anti-spam 
> purposes.  Gmail respects that marking and rejects mailing list email 
> from Yahoo addresses because it's coming from the wrong server.  For 
> actual technical details, search for the previous discussions on either 
> this list or the devel list. :-)

I did speed-read those posts at the time, but clearly misunderstood
what they were about. I hadn't realised the problem affects list mail.
That's just astonishing.

poc
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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[Tim]

On Thu, 2018-03-01 at 15:31 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Secondly, it appears to be a reply to a message which is not on the
> mailing list.

I saw the original message come through the list.

For what it's worth, I don't let my mail host do any spam filtering.  I
just have it auto-delete everything that didn't come from this list.
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Fedora Current Objectives page has no content really

[Basix]

Hello!

Recently I found a Current Objectives page 
(https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/project/objectives.html) in 
fedoraproject.org docs. This page says it is a placeholder, and go to  
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives for real content. But when I go to 
the wiki page, It just redirects to fedoraproject.org docs.

I think this page needs to be updated.
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Re: The Fedora Wiki page, "Mailing list guidelines" needs to update!

[John Pilkington]

On 02/03/18 00:40, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 03/01/2018 04:16 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

Well, that then seems to be inconsistently applied.


Maybe not.  If any of it's sent through the expected server, you'll see it.


I have the original post, listing HyperKitty as user agent.

The rpmfusion list has a thread (and a BZ) showing that replies to posts 
on its HyperKitty are not viewable on that web page, but do arrive by 
email.

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Re: digitally signing a PDF file in Fedora

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/02/18 09:01, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> I see, thanks! I will try and see the online help for LO. Thanks for the tip, 
> though.


OK, I found the "trick".

You need to install libreoffice-pdfimport which also pulls in libreoffice-draw 
for
this to work.  Yes, you open an existing document and it will open in read-only 
mode
and there will be a "sign document" button.  The steps are pretty obvious from 
then on.

Ed

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