Re: Win10 secure boot can be made to work in qemu (was Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11)

2021-10-11 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/11/21 04:08, Sam Varshavchik wrote: ToddAndMargo via users writes: On 10/9/21 17:43, Sam Varshavchik wrote: B) You MUST have a Microsoft account, and your VM registered to your Microsoft account Or be sneaky, like me: W11: how to install without a network connection: No, not

Re: Win10 secure boot can be made to work in qemu (was Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11)

2021-10-11 Thread Sam Varshavchik
ToddAndMargo via users writes: On 10/9/21 17:43, Sam Varshavchik wrote: B) You MUST have a Microsoft account, and your VM registered to your Microsoft account Or be sneaky, like me: W11: how to install without a network connection: No, not because of that. This is something else

Re: Win10 secure boot can be made to work in qemu (was Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11)

2021-10-10 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/9/21 17:43, Sam Varshavchik wrote: B) You MUST have a Microsoft account, and your VM registered to your Microsoft account Or be sneaky, like me: W11: how to install without a network connection: References: https://5gmobilephone.net/install-windows-11-home-without-microsoft-internet/

Win10 secure boot can be made to work in qemu (was Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11)

2021-10-09 Thread Sam Varshavchik
ToddAndMargo via users writes: By the way, the "registry hack" came from Microsoft itself. So it will probably be around for a long while. I'm aware of that. I just don't trust them. If you note, they put up all sorts of disclaimers and caveat-emptors on that. I don't get the same warm

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-09 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/9/21 06:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote: So, it remains to be seen what kind of telemetry Microsoft gets back, and whether enough people will end up replacing their hardware. Microsoft definitely wants everyone to upgrade to Windows 11, but if they see that a large percentage will not I think

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-09 Thread Sam Varshavchik
ToddAndMargo via users writes: W11 install: How to bypass Windows 11's stupid system requirements: You are fighting a losing battle. I can't think of anything that would prevent Microsoft from removing this bypass at some point in the future, and, for example, result in the system

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-08 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/5/21 01:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up.  I can not find a CPU the general release of Windows 11 likes.  It wants a     Comet Lake     Coffee Lake And they are not on qemu's CPU list. -T My paper on how to bypass the silly

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-07 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 10/7/21 05:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: That's not possible, because QEMU doesn't emulate the CPU.  The host CPU that you report to the guest VM. In fact QEMU can emulate the CPU, I thought it was clear that we were discussing qemu in the context of KVM, since it was in the subject,

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 13:50 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote: > And I doubt they emulate very many models (they may only emulate 1) > of > each arch they are handling, and it is pretty unlikely that any of > the > models they do emulate are what windows 11 wants. Sure. I was merely making the point that

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-07 Thread Roger Heflin
And I doubt they emulate very many models (they may only emulate 1) of each arch they are handling, and it is pretty unlikely that any of the models they do emulate are what windows 11 wants. On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 7:16 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-10-06 at 16:18 -0700, Gordon

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2021-10-06 at 16:18 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 10/5/21 12:16, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > My host's cpu is not supported.   I was hoping for a > > fake CPU (there are about 20 of them to choose from) > > would do the trick. > > > That's not possible, because QEMU doesn't

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-06 Thread Todd Chester via users
On 10/6/21 4:18 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 10/5/21 12:16, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: My host's cpu is not supported.   I was hoping for a fake CPU (there are about 20 of them to choose from) would do the trick. That's not possible, because QEMU doesn't emulate the CPU.  The host CPU

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 10/5/21 12:16, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: My host's cpu is not supported.   I was hoping for a fake CPU (there are about 20 of them to choose from) would do the trick. That's not possible, because QEMU doesn't emulate the CPU.  The host CPU must support all of the instructions that

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-06 Thread George N. White III
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 17:28, Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 12:16 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > Zero of my customers will use Libre Office because > > of all the bugs and the awkwardness. > > Yet, my experience of Office gives me exactly the opposite response. > Office

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-06 Thread Bob Marcan
On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:24:45 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > Tim: > >> Yet, my experience of Office gives me exactly the opposite response. > > ToddAndMargo: > > I think it has to do with what you know and what > > your capacity for learning is. Ever have a > > secretary jump up in your face

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> Yet, my experience of Office gives me exactly the opposite response. ToddAndMargo: > I think it has to do with what you know and what > your capacity for learning is. Ever have a > secretary jump up in your face and tell "I DON'T > WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW!!" after her boss > tells you

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/5/21 13:27, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 12:16 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Zero of my customers will use Libre Office because of all the bugs and the awkwardness. Yet, my experience of Office gives me exactly the opposite response. I think it has to do with what

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 12:16 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > Zero of my customers will use Libre Office because > of all the bugs and the awkwardness. Yet, my experience of Office gives me exactly the opposite response. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.42.2.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Sep 7

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/5/21 04:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: What did you think "Okay, I give up..." meant? I read that as "I've been looking for this information and haven't found it". On reflection, I can see where that could be mis-interperted ___ users

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/5/21 04:42, lejeczek via users wrote: On 05/10/2021 09:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up.  I can not find a CPU the general release of Windows 11 likes.  It wants a     Comet Lake     Coffee Lake And they are not on qemu's CPU

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 19:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 05/10/2021 19:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > [Also, I wish people would stop quoting the entire text of a nested > > thread just to add a one-line comment.] > > Guilty, at times.  Thanks for the gentle reminder. > > But then there are

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/10/2021 19:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: [Also, I wish people would stop quoting the entire text of a nested thread just to add a one-line comment.] Guilty, at times.  Thanks for the gentle reminder. But then there are the HyperKitty users that don't quote anything.  :-) :-) -- On

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-10-05 at 02:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > I have been trying it! > > > > > > > Then why didn't you reveal that? > > > > What did you think "Okay, I give up..." meant? I read that as "I've been looking for this information and haven't found it". [Also, I wish

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread lejeczek via users
On 05/10/2021 09:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up.  I can not find a CPU the general release of Windows 11 likes.  It wants a     Comet Lake     Coffee Lake And they are not on qemu's CPU list. Does your 'actual' bare-metal CPU(s) is

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/10/2021 17:32, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 02:29, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 17:25, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 02:14, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:53, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 01:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:13,

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/5/21 02:29, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 17:25, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 02:14, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:53, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 01:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All,

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/10/2021 17:25, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 02:14, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:53, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 01:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up.  I can not

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/5/21 02:14, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:53, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 01:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up.  I can not find a CPU the general release of Windows 11 likes. 

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/10/2021 16:53, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 10/5/21 01:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up.  I can not find a CPU the general release of Windows 11 likes.  It wants a     Comet Lake    

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 10/5/21 01:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/10/2021 16:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up.  I can not find a CPU the general release of Windows 11 likes.  It wants a     Comet Lake     Coffee Lake And they are not on qemu's CPU list. I

Re: What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/10/2021 16:13, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up.  I can not find a CPU the general release of Windows 11 likes.  It wants a     Comet Lake     Coffee Lake And they are not on qemu's CPU list. I never care about those kind of things. 

What CPU for qemu-kvm and Windows 11

2021-10-05 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
Hi All, qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 Okay, I give up. I can not find a CPU the general release of Windows 11 likes. It wants a Comet Lake Coffee Lake And they are not on qemu's CPU list. -T ___ users mailing list --