Re: rc2 of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta is available

[Brett Ryan]

Dev would generally contain a greater number of active participants that raise 
issues and are more intimately involved in the development of the given 
software product. Users generally participate in the discussions on a more 
academic perspective.

Most common for apache projects is to provide a status report as a requirement 
which is published to the dev list containing details on activity, [VOT] topics 
generally appear before a release for developer votes on readiness, and 
[DISCUSS] on general direction discussions.

Apache mailing lists while casual also have a fairly structured topic format. 
That said, most of the apache lists I've participated in are library based and 
more recently Hadoop ecosystem based where most of the participants are quite 
interested in the development of that product with use as second..


> On 15 Jan 2018, at 20:46, Thomas Kellerer  wrote:
> 
> Geertjan Wielenga schrieb am 15.01.2018 um 09:39:
>> Release Candidate 2 is available and can be voted on in the dev mailing list:
>> 
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/796200c149232ba2da722c6d4b1310307708e09b2afa77eb90ecaebc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>> 
>> Trying out the release and voting on it is needed -- by as many as
>> possible, the more the merrier.
>> 
>> If you would like to participate, join the dev mailing list:
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> 
> Why is this voting done on the dev mailing lists?
> 
> Shouldn't the _users_ vote whether the version is suitable to be released?
> 
> From my point of view a release can not be done before the EE stuff isn't 
> migrated and the problems with nb-javac aren't resolved.
> 
> (And NETBEANS-262 is a blocker for a release from my point of view as well)
> 
> Thomas
> 
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta released

[Brett Ryan]

Well done. This is a huge undertaking and mass effort to make this happen.

> On 17 Feb 2018, at 01:35, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Apache NetBeans team is proud to announce the release of Apache
> NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta.
> 
> Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta constitutes all the modules in
> the Apache NetBeans Git repo, which together provide the NetBeans
> Platform (i.e., the underlying application framework), which was
> released as Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Alpha, as well as all the
> modules that provide the Java SE-related features of Apache NetBeans.
> In short, Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta is a full IDE for Java
> SE development.
> 
> See the below for the donation status of features that have not been
> donated to Apache yet, i.e., are not part of Apache NetBeans
> (incubating) 9.0 Beta, e.g., features for working with Java EE,
> JavaScript, PHP, C/C++, and more:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> 
> Note: Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta is primarily focused on IP
> clearance. Its functionality has not been tested — the NetCAT
> (NetBeans Community Acceptance Testing) process will begin now that
> Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta has been released. Watch this
> space for upcoming announcements about NetCAT. When NetCAT completes,
> we will vote on the final release of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0.
> 
> Details on Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> 
> Download and try out Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta:
> 
> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/
> 
> Work is being done on bringing netbeans.org to Apache. In the
> meantime, refer to the below for all details related to Apache
> NetBeans:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
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> Geertjan
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

> On 8 Mar 2018, at 23:28, Thomas Kellerer <sham...@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> Deprecate Subversion? Really? This is still wildly used. 

It shouldn’t be, and we should discourage its continued use. Unsupported 
plugins available to provide capability is how it should be handled.

I treat svn/cvs like IE8, let’s discourage its use by not supporting. If your 
starting a new project with svn or cvs you should question why.

Trimming legacy helps reduce edge cases and helps deliver value going forward 
without the need to worry about edge cases.

> Brett Ryan schrieb am 08.03.2018 um 13:25:
>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
>> out in 7.?
>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:dheffelfin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need
>>> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test
>>> integration with these two VCS tools.
>>> 
>>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your
>>> help. Please sign up at
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
> 
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.

You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we remove 
svn also.

http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport

> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS or 
> SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for volunteers.
> 
> David
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan <brett.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
>> out in 7.?
>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers 
>>> that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with 
>>> these two VCS tools.
>>> 
>>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help. 
>>> Please sign up at 
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
>>> 
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken out 
in 7.?

> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers 
> that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with 
> these two VCS tools.
> 
> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help. 
> Please sign up at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
> 
> Thanks!
> David
> 
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Since CVS is an external plugin we do not need it tested. SVN on the other hand 
does need to be tested as it’s still part of the core, I’ve mentioned this a 
couple times now.

It is interesting hearing the commentary on perceptions of DVCS solutions (Git, 
hg). Both of these are far easier to use and require no server (svn needs an 
apache web server, cvs needs a proprietary server), branching/forking/merging 
is so easy it’s unbelievable.

It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger generations 
by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology.

Anyway watch Linus Torvalds talk from 2007 on git at google 
https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 04:32, Thomas Wolf <tjw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can join NetCAT since there’s a shortage of CVS users, but I’m not sure I 
> will be able to do extensive testing since, as I mentioned, I only use CVS 
> when accessing the company’s other projects.  But under the motto “something 
> is better than nothing”...
> 
> tom
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga 
>> <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The support for CVS is provided as a separate plugin and has been for years. 
>> It’s really interesting to hear from various people in this thread that 
>> they’re making use of this feature. Would be great to have a few of them 
>> join the NetCAT program to give feedback on how the CVS plugin works in the 
>> upcoming Apache NetBeans 9.0 release.
>> 
>> Gj
>> 
>>> On Friday, March 9, 2018, Philip Wasson <pwas...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git is 
>>> not worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that 
>>> Git doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an 
>>> option in every situation.
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard <i...@dejongfrz.nl> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm using SVN. 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce 
>>>> the usefulnes of NB for me.
>>>> -- 
>>>> Eduard
>>>> 
>>>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan <brett.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
>>>>>>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we 
>>>>>> remove svn also.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS 
>>>>>>> or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for 
>>>>>>> volunteers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan <brett.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS 
>>>>>>>> taken out in 7.?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need 
>>>>>>>>> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test 
>>>>>>>>> integration with these two VCS tools.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your 
>>>>>>>>> help. Please sign up at 
>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
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>>>>>>>>> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
>>>>>>>>> My Video Training: 
>>>>>>>>> http://www.packtpub.com/java-ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video
>>>>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> 

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Ok, so it seems there’s a large support base for continued use of svn. Could we 
use some of you to build up the svn tribe?

> On 9 Mar 2018, at 06:28, Miller, David D <david.mil...@ncr.com> wrote:
> 
> Our company uses SVN.  Killing off support for SVN would be a very bad idea 
> at this time.
>  
> From: Claus Lüthje [mailto:claus.luet...@thetop.ch] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 12:48 PM
> To: Dawn Raison <d...@lemur.co.uk>
> Cc: users@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
>  
> Absolutely.
> 
> Am 08.03.2018 um 18:44 schrieb Dawn Raison <d...@lemur.co.uk>:
> 
> Another NetBeans SVN user here.
> 
> I suspect removing support for it would be a foot shooting exercise.
> 
> BTW, I can host a remote test SVN repo if anyone would find that helpful.
> 
> Dawn
> 
>  
> On 08/03/2018 14:05, Eduard wrote:
> I'm using SVN. 
> 
> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce the 
> usefulnes of NB for me.
> -- 
> Eduard
> 
> David Heffelfinger wrote:
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
> 
> David
>  
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan <brett.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> 
> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
>  
> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we remove 
> svn also.
>  
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
> 
> 
> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS or 
> SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for volunteers.
> 
> David
>  
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan <brett.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
> out in 7.?
> 
> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
>  
> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers 
> that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with 
> these two VCS tools.
>  
> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help. 
> Please sign up at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>  
> Thanks!
> David
>  
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:02, Thomas Wolf <tjw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> "How are you even using CVS" - because it's there?!  See attached screen 
> shots.  It's even labeled "Base IDE", which makes it look pretty  darn 
> integral rather than externalized.   I installed NB 8.2 on a brand new Mac 
> and don't recall doing anything in particular to get it either.

It’s not part of NetBeans IDE though, support was removed about 6-7 years ago 
to en external plugin in the plugin portal, again here’s the URL explaining it 
[1]. “Base IDE” is just the name of the category the plugin lives in, which 
should actually be “Team Collaboration”.

You could have only got CVS support by installing the plugin which used to 
prompt you if you opened a cvs project but had to install manually to do a 
checkout. But the plugin no longer appears in the plugin portal [2].

  [1]: http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
  [2]: http://plugins.netbeans.org/

> "If we introduce..." - we're not holding tutorials telling folks to use it or 
> even advocating its use.  It's a plugin for crying out loud.  They can use it 
> or leave it.   Are "young generation" so stupid they can't google and see for 
> themselves that if they use CVS they're using old tech?

That’s not exactly what I meant. And yes, if it’s a burden to support edge 
cases then the edge cases should be discouraged. Just as my analogy that IE9 
has wide support to discontinue its use component developers actively encourage 
this.

We should support the currently wide spread technologies and externalise 
support for diminishing tech. We could focus out efforts on what other IDE’s 
are doing like scala support, which the other major IDE’s support out of the 
box (they don’t support CVS).

> "When we continue to support deprecation..."  CVS isn't "deprecated" because 
> there isn't an organization that can proclaim it so  - it's just older 
> technology that isn't worth using on new projects.  But it's definitely still 
> in heavy use and, therefore, an IDE should still support it..

Without doing the analysis i’m not sure what the widespread use is.

> "When you continue to support deprecation well beyond it's EOL..." - give me 
> the date that CVS went EOL???  I must have missed that announcement!

When the CVS maintainers stopped working on CVS and started on SVN, they’re the 
same guys, and made the same mistakes in SVN, i think it started in 2001, I 
can’t even remember the last publicised book.

> We just have different views on the subject.  And I don't really have a leg 
> to stand on: it's up to Netbeans developers and contributors to decide 
> whether to support that plugin.  But I'm 100% sure that there's still 
> wide-spread use of it out there and that means Netbeans will lose some users 
> if it drops support.

It won’t lose users, it never did when the plugin got dropped :)

> Anyway,
> This is a good discussion to have had.  Let's leave it at that.  Attached are 
> the screen shots.
> tom
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Brett Ryan <brett.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2018, at 10:23, Thomas Wolf <tjw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who created this external plugin and currently maintains it?  If the answer 
>>> is “Netbeans”, then I disagree with regards to testing it.
>> 
>> NetBeans did, they also created the Java CVS Client which was a huge burden 
>> to continue to maintain which is why the whole things was externalised 
>> outside of NetBeans Core.
>> 
>> The reason why plugins become externalised/archived is so the core IDE can 
>> evolve beyond legacy plugins.
>> 
>>> I don’t think anyone is advocating holding back younger generations - 
>>> that’s really being overly dramatic.
>> 
>> If we introduce them to deprecated technologies, then yes; we are holding 
>> them back.
>> 
>>> The CVS plugin (and I imagine SVN as well) is pretty rock solid by now.
>> 
>> How are you even using CVS? I can't even find it on the plugin portal 
>> anymore, it's been completely removed!
>> 
>>> I can’t imagine it requiring massive resources to maintain.
>> 
>> It was a massive resource to maintain, that's precisely why it was removed.
>> 
>>> On the other hand, as was explained above, lots of people still use these 
>>> “legacy” repositories.  An IDE is only as useful as the breadth of 
>>> functionality it provides its developers.
>> 
>> Fine, then legacy should not be part of core. There's no need to continue 
>> supporting legacy, this is why JavaScript libraries remove support for IE8,
>> 
>> When you continue to

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Again, when netbeans actually announced it 6 years ago! You must have installed 
the external plugin.

http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport


> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:48, emiddio-frontier  wrote:
> 
> Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
> Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
> It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
> My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
> My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
> shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
> Version: 2.25.1.42.1
> Source: Certified Plugins
> Plugin Description
> Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. Version 
> control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in streamlining typical 
> team development cycles. 
> 
> Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?
> 
> -Gary
> 
>> On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
>> "It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
>> generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology." 
>> 
>> I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider the 
>> amount of commitment to a particular technology that business 
>> has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular technology, 
>> then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must 
>> take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is built 
>> using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because 
>> "younger" people like something else. This is business and business is life 
>> to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition 
>> theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that lays the 
>> new technology golden egg. 
>> 
> 

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Yes, it IS deprecated [1]. Archived features means we no longer provide direct 
support.

  [1]: http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansArchivedFeatures

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 14:15, Niklas Matthies <netbe...@nmhq.net> wrote:
> 
> Nowhere does it say that CVS support is deprecated. It only isn't installed 
> by default any more.
> 
> Niklas
> 
> On Sat 2018-03-10 at 13:16h, Brett Ryan wrote on users:
>> Again, when netbeans actually announced it 6 years ago! You must have 
>> installed the external plugin.
>> 
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:48, emiddio-frontier <emid...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
>>> Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
>>> It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
>>> My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
>>> My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
>>> shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
>>> Version: 2.25.1.42.1
>>> Source: Certified Plugins
>>> Plugin Description
>>> Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. 
>>> Version control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in 
>>> streamlining typical team development cycles. 
>>> 
>>> Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?
>>> 
>>> -Gary
>>> 
>>>> On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
>>>> "It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
>>>> generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology." 
>>>> 
>>>> I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider the 
>>>> amount of commitment to a particular technology that business 
>>>> has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular technology, 
>>>> then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must 
>>>> take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is 
>>>> built using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because 
>>>> "younger" people like something else. This is business and business is 
>>>> life to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition 
>>>> theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that lays 
>>>> the new technology golden egg.
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Re: NetBeans and Git

[Brett Ryan]

We would need to know more about your environment to help. Is it possible to 
share your codebase when the problem occurs provided it is not private?

If you install git [1] and use the cli (git-bash) by issuing `git status` in 
the project path, what do you observe?

  [1]: https://git-scm.com/

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 21:10, Owen Thomas  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I have been using NetBeans with Git (I moved my codebase from SVN about about 
> ten months ago), and I seem to have some problems after I open a clean 
> working copy.
> 
> After I commit my changes, I sometimes observe that some blue cylinder 
> embellishments remain next to some packages. I backup my .git file, delete 
> the original, and restore it from backup. Sometimes, after checking out a 
> working copy and after reloading projects into NetBeans, I observe some 
> compilation errors. It seems that there are also some uncommitted changes, 
> and removing these changes seems to remove the compilation errors.
> 
> Has anyone got a clue as to what might be going on? Is something being cached 
> in NetBeans somewhere?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>   Owen.

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Did you import settings?

I don’t know how you all are getting cvs. When I do a fresh install with the 
same I don’t get it and it doesn’t appear in the plugin portal.

> On 11 Mar 2018, at 09:39, Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 03/10/2018 04:19 PM, Brett Ryan wrote:
>> If you are running 8.2, backup your user dir then delete it and restart,
>> you will not be able to get cvs support as it is also removed from the
>> plugin portal.
> 
> See attached screenshot (8.2, started with clean userdir). Same result
> with 9.0 beta.
> 
> -- 
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> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> 
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Re: [ scala ] Just asking for update on Scala for NetBeans

[Brett Ryan]

I’m going to have to give this a try, I did manage building for 8.2 but it was 
a lot of trouble. Was hoping i could free my time to help but it’s been hectic.

I think the whole big data community has been using intellij for scala (myself 
included). There’s several reasons there. Python is big in BD due to the strong 
academia influx and they all use pycharm (JetBrains) so the IntelliJ pickup is 
natural for scala.

It would be neat to use scala in nb again so am keen to try. We did move away 
from sbt to maven for our spark builds, wonder how that might go.



> On 1 Oct 2019, at 06:38, Emilian Bold  wrote:
> 
> I think the most recent development wrt Scala is
> https://github.com/cbm64chris/nbscala by Chris Luff and the plugin
> would be at http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/75542/nbscala (added
> 2019-03-13).
> 
> So either you register the whole plugin portal update center URL or
> you download the NBM and add it by and in the Plugins window.
> 
> --emi
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 11:20 PM Alonso Del Arte
>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been using NetBeans 11.1 for about a week now. Smooth sailing with all 
>> my Java projects I started on NetBeans 8.2.
>> 
>> For several months I've been aware of Geertjan Wielenga's 2013 tutorial for 
>> installing Scala for NetBeans 7.3.1. But when I only had one computer for 
>> programming, I was reluctant to even touch the NetBeans configuration file. 
>> So I wrote Scala in Notepad and compiled it on the command line.
>> 
>> Then I got a MacBook and installed NetBeans and IntelliJ on it, I've been 
>> using IntelliJ for most of my Scala programming. Now I figured I should give 
>> the Scala for NetBeans plugin a try on my MacBook.
>> 
>> I followed Geertjan's tutorial up to Step 4, at which point I just couldn't 
>> find the Scala plugin from within NetBeans 8.2. Then I upgraded to 11.1 and 
>> couldn't find the plugin either. Then I found the plugin through a Web 
>> browser, the page said it was verified for 8.1. I downloaded it and then 
>> just didn't know what to do with it.
>> 
>> Is the Scala plugin for Apache NetBeans in active development, or is it on 
>> the back-burner, or has it been dropped?
>> 
>> Al
>> 
>> --
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>> Author at SmashWords.com
>> Musician at ReverbNation.com
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Re: Compile on Save in web applications no longer works for NB > 11.0

[Brett Ryan]

Thanks Juan. I did have it installed. I use maven projects and haven’t been on 
ant for some time.

I did uninstall nb-javac as it doesn’t allow newer language features. For 
example if you run with jdk14 you get record support which is a preview feature 
in jdk14 (hope it sticks btw).

> On 6 May 2020, at 15:37, Juan Algaba  wrote:
> 
> My memory failed me, it's not a dialog, but a notification:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r3743d8d20e8760be2c91da7c236382a63d60358aca4415ba5743b7a3%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> 
> I believe it's not installed by default because it wasn't donated (and
> won't be apparently) to Apache, and also because some users report
> issues caused by it when not running
> on JDK 8:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r3743d8d20e8760be2c91da7c236382a63d60358aca4415ba5743b7a3%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> 
> Here's an overview of nb-javac
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Overview%3A+nb-javac
> 
> What I gather from the mailing list is that Netbeans is clearly moving
> away from nb-javac. What I don't understand is if it's also moving
> away from CoS and "Copy Static Resources" or maybe implement it in a
> more maintainable way (like, only for Maven/not-JDK8 users)
> 
> I personally run netbeans 11.3 on OpenJDK 11.0.7 and my ant web
> project is compiled with that same JDK using --source 8, and haven't
> encountered any issues. Out of curiosity can I know what type of
> project, JDK version, and source level you are using?
> 
> 
>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:02 PM Juan Algaba  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm on 11.3, ant-based web app, and do have CoS.
>> Make sure nb-javac plugin is installed in Plugins -> Installed ->
>> Search nb-javac
>> NB should offer you to install it, but IIRC it may not if you open an
>> existing project, if that's the case try creating a new java web
>> project to see if it triggers that dialog.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:27 PM Brett Ryan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I've been wanting to switch off of NB 11.0 for some time, however; 
>>> the one thing that is stopping me is CoS is not working for web 
>>> applications.
>>> 
>>> Since moving from 11.0 the Build > Compile > Compile On Save is now greyed 
>>> out.
>>> 
>>> Run > "Deploy on Save" is enabled but appears to do nothin, as is "Copy 
>>> Static Resources".
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> -Juan Algaba
> 
> 
> -- 
> -Juan Algaba

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Compile on Save in web applications no longer works for NB > 11.0

[Brett Ryan]

Hi all, I've been wanting to switch off of NB 11.0 for some time, however;
the one thing that is stopping me is CoS is not working for web
applications.

Since moving from 11.0 the Build > Compile > Compile On Save is now greyed
out.

Run > "Deploy on Save" is enabled but appears to do nothin, as is "Copy
Static Resources".

Netbeans 12.0 - Allow Resetting SQL Output Window

[Brett Ryan]

Hi guys, wondering if there is a way to reset the query results before
execution as in prior versions of NetBeans?

I do welcome that we don't have new tabs spewing out (introduced in 11.?)
but prefer the 8.0 style of just a single output that resets before each
query execution.

When I'm executing a larger script it gets hard to figure out where the
script started in the output results, resetting would be handy.

Thanks all
-Brett

Re: Compile on Save in web applications no longer works for NB > 11.0

[Brett Ryan]

Anyone have a solution to this? I've been trying NB12 and liking it, apart
from it crashing randomly once a day but I haven't found the cause yet.

CoS still grayed out for war maven project using JDK 8. Any idea?

I just switched back to 11.1 (last version it works in) and it appears NB12
has deleted my 11.1 profile.

On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 12:53, Brett Ryan  wrote:

> Thanks Juan. I did have it installed. I use maven projects and haven’t
> been on ant for some time.
>
> I did uninstall nb-javac as it doesn’t allow newer language features. For
> example if you run with jdk14 you get record support which is a preview
> feature in jdk14 (hope it sticks btw).
>
> > On 6 May 2020, at 15:37, Juan Algaba  wrote:
> >
> > My memory failed me, it's not a dialog, but a notification:
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r3743d8d20e8760be2c91da7c236382a63d60358aca4415ba5743b7a3%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > I believe it's not installed by default because it wasn't donated (and
> > won't be apparently) to Apache, and also because some users report
> > issues caused by it when not running
> > on JDK 8:
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r3743d8d20e8760be2c91da7c236382a63d60358aca4415ba5743b7a3%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > Here's an overview of nb-javac
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Overview%3A+nb-javac
> >
> > What I gather from the mailing list is that Netbeans is clearly moving
> > away from nb-javac. What I don't understand is if it's also moving
> > away from CoS and "Copy Static Resources" or maybe implement it in a
> > more maintainable way (like, only for Maven/not-JDK8 users)
> >
> > I personally run netbeans 11.3 on OpenJDK 11.0.7 and my ant web
> > project is compiled with that same JDK using --source 8, and haven't
> > encountered any issues. Out of curiosity can I know what type of
> > project, JDK version, and source level you are using?
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:02 PM Juan Algaba  wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm on 11.3, ant-based web app, and do have CoS.
> >> Make sure nb-javac plugin is installed in Plugins -> Installed ->
> >> Search nb-javac
> >> NB should offer you to install it, but IIRC it may not if you open an
> >> existing project, if that's the case try creating a new java web
> >> project to see if it triggers that dialog.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:27 PM Brett Ryan 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all, I've been wanting to switch off of NB 11.0 for some time,
> however; the one thing that is stopping me is CoS is not working for web
> applications.
> >>>
> >>> Since moving from 11.0 the Build > Compile > Compile On Save is now
> greyed out.
> >>>
> >>> Run > "Deploy on Save" is enabled but appears to do nothin, as is
> "Copy Static Resources".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Juan Algaba
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Juan Algaba
>

macOS with Windows Keyboard and Command and Option keys swapped

[Brett Ryan]

Greetings all, this one's been a small annoyance that I have been getting
around by using JDK 1.8.0 to start NetBeans for some time now. As JDK 1.8.0
causes NETBEANS-6272
 making
12.6 less useable with JDK 1.8.0 I finally got around to raising
NETBEANS-6273 .

My issue relates to the fact that swapping command and option keys on a
windows keyboard on macos means means that NetBeans no longer recognises
the option key being pressed by itself, however, holding option, then a
quick tap and release n shift makes NB then recognise that option is being
held.

I use this key for navigating between words like option + left/right etc.

I query if anyone is experiencing this and has some kind of other
workaround that allows use of later JDK's?

Re: accented characters in NB 16 IDE editor

[Brett Ryan]

I don't use windows but believe it should be similar but with CTRL. Try
pressing CTRL+`, release, then the key for the accent (e, u, a, ...)

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 07:57, Peter Holt  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Från:* Christopher C. Lanz 
> *Skickat:* den 1 januari 2023 21:32
> *Till:* users@netbeans.apache.org
> *Ämne:* accented characters in NB 16 IDE editor
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I just switched from linux to windows 10, with Netbeans 16 installed. I
> need to be able to type accented characters in the editor (java) -
> characters that survive being saved in files. In the linux version, it was
> a matter of holding AltGr and a key representing the desired accent,
> releasing those keys, and then typing a letter. I can't seem to find
> mention of this function online in stackoverflow etc., and the netbeans
> mailing list search gave no results (although I could be using it
> incorrectly.)
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Chris Lanz
>
> 340 Dunn Hall, SUNY Potsdam
>
> lan...@potsdam.edu
>
> 315 268 1547
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: accented characters in NB 16 IDE editor

[Brett Ryan]

According to Microsoft there is:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/topic/keyboard-shortcuts-for-international-characters-108fa0c1-fb8e-4aae-9db1-d60407d13c35

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 16:44, Arnaud bourree 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There is no compose character on Windows.
> If you want a character not available in your keyborad layout, you should:
> - use character map
> - or keep Alt key down and press the character code (avalaible in
> character map): for example É (upper e accute) Alt+0201
>
> Regardes,
>
> Arnaud
>
> Le lun. 2 janv. 2023, 02:25, Brett Ryan  a écrit :
>
>> I don't use windows but believe it should be similar but with CTRL. Try
>> pressing CTRL+`, release, then the key for the accent (e, u, a, ...)
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 07:57, Peter Holt  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Från:* Christopher C. Lanz 
>>> *Skickat:* den 1 januari 2023 21:32
>>> *Till:* users@netbeans.apache.org
>>> *Ämne:* accented characters in NB 16 IDE editor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I just switched from linux to windows 10, with Netbeans 16 installed. I
>>> need to be able to type accented characters in the editor (java) -
>>> characters that survive being saved in files. In the linux version, it was
>>> a matter of holding AltGr and a key representing the desired accent,
>>> releasing those keys, and then typing a letter. I can't seem to find
>>> mention of this function online in stackoverflow etc., and the netbeans
>>> mailing list search gave no results (although I could be using it
>>> incorrectly.)
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Lanz
>>>
>>> 340 Dunn Hall, SUNY Potsdam
>>>
>>> lan...@potsdam.edu
>>>
>>> 315 268 1547
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>