Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Lars Nooden
John Boyle wrote: To all users: I am curious as to why OpenOffice needs a new Gui? Can someone please explain that to me, as I find it is the easiest program to work with from opening to closing it when finished! Why on earth change the part of the program that makes it work the best? That is

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Drew Jensen
Lars Nooden wrote: John Boyle wrote: To all users: I am curious as to why OpenOffice needs a new Gui? Can someone please explain that to me, as I find it is the easiest program to work with from opening to closing it when finished! Why on earth change the part of the program that makes it work

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Lars Nooden
Drew Jensen wrote: Well - OpenOffice.org as you may know has been running a user survey for the last couple of yours, at least. During that time not hundreds and not thousands but tens of thousands of users have responded. In that data there are significant numbers of people that do

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Drew Jensen
Lars Nooden wrote: Drew Jensen wrote: Well - OpenOffice.org as you may know has been running a user survey for the last couple of yours, at least. During that time not hundreds and not thousands but tens of thousands of users have responded. In that data there are significant numbers of

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Lars Nooden
Drew Jensen wrote: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:IsoMetrics_Results Thanks. That one pages does show that change is needed. Even without study people can say that, even mono/msfters trying to hobble or cripple the project. However, the results do not give any

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Lars Nooden
Drew Jensen wrote: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:IsoMetrics_Results The most dissatisfaction is with Impress. Some of that may be inherent to presentation graphics, which are soundly disliked and an infamous time sink. Making a presentation used to take a few hours, now

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Harold Fuchs
2009/9/3 Drew Jensen usersl...@paintedfrogceramics.com Lars Nooden wrote: John Boyle wrote: To all users: I am curious as to why OpenOffice needs a new Gui? Can someone please explain that to me, as I find it is the easiest program to work with from opening to closing it when finished!

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Drew Jensen
Lars Nooden wrote: Drew Jensen wrote: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:IsoMetrics_Results The most dissatisfaction is with Impress. Some of that may be inherent to presentation graphics, which are soundly disliked and an infamous time sink. Making a presentation used to

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Drew Jensen
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Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Drew Jensen
Harold Fuchs wrote: I think there are several problems here: 1. The prototype was poorly done and, apparently, premature. This is a shame and, unfortunately has coloured peoples' judgment - including mine. I don't have any feelings about ribbons. To be honest I'm not even sure what the term

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Drew Jensen
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Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread James Knott
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Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread John Boyle
Drew Jensen wrote: armatures LOL - ok spell checkers can't always help one, can they. They aren't amateurs either.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail:

[users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-03 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2009/09/03 4:35 AM Lars Nooden wrote: If we have to keep Impress, then it would be useful to turn to the best quality on the market for examples: http://www.apple.com/iwork/keynote/ I play aroungd with Impress occasionally, but when I have real work to do I use Keynote. Now if

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-02 Thread John Boyle
Jonathan Kaye wrote: NoOp wrote: On 08/06/2009 07:21 AM, M Henri Day wrote: I think most of us can agree that the OOo GUI is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I'm not sure that everybody wants a needed update to tread the primorose path taken by Microsoft Office. List members

[users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-10 Thread Jonathan Kaye
NoOp wrote: On 08/06/2009 07:21 AM, M Henri Day wrote: I think most of us can agree that the OOo GUI is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I'm not sure that everybody wants a needed update to tread the primorose path taken by Microsoft Office. List members can judge for themselvs on the

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-08 Thread jonathon
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:28, M Henri Day wrote: We seem to be agreed as regards the «ribbon» - I did like that bit about That ribbon fails Section 508. That automatically renders OOo unsuitable for the corporate environment. (And yes, blind people do use Impress. They also use Draw.) but

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-08 Thread Drew Jensen
jonathon wrote: That ribbon fails Section 508. That automatically renders OOo unsuitable for the corporate environment. guess it is a good thing that it is only a prototype and not an actual first cut at a UI then.. Unless of course you mean that ALL ribbons ( or perhaps MS ribbons

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-08 Thread M Henri Day
2009/8/8 jonathon jonathon.bl...@gmail.com On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:28, M Henri Day wrote: We seem to be agreed as regards the «ribbon» - I did like that bit about That ribbon fails Section 508. That automatically renders OOo unsuitable for the corporate environment. (And yes, blind

[users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-08 Thread Twayne
Mark C. Miller mr.mcmil...@gmail.com wrote in message news:h5i3gl$ji...@ger.gmane.org On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:02:04 -0400, Twayne wrote: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote in message news:2fbc9b20908060721g5260f8cag778e298794987...@mail.gmail.com I think most of us can agree that the OOo

[users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-07 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 07/08/09 01:01, Harold Fuchs wrote: snip / Errm. What prototype? Do you mean I can download and run a version of OOo with this new GUI and *not* have it interfere with my existing 3.1.0 (m11) version? I find a link New: OOo-DEV 3.1.1 Developer Snapshot (build OOO310_m17) available but, as

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-07 Thread Harold Fuchs
2009/8/7 Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com On 07/08/09 01:01, Harold Fuchs wrote: snip / Errm. What prototype? Do you mean I can download and run a version of OOo with this new GUI and *not* have it interfere with my existing 3.1.0 (m11) version? I find a link New: OOo-DEV 3.1.1

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-07 Thread Guy Voets
2009/8/7 Harold Fuchs hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com: 2009/8/7 Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com On 07/08/09 01:01, Harold Fuchs wrote: snip / Errm. What prototype? Do you mean I can download and run a version of OOo with this new GUI and *not* have it interfere with my existing 3.1.0

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-07 Thread M Henri Day
2009/8/7 Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com 2009/8/7 Harold Fuchs hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com: 2009/8/7 Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com snip PS - I didn't like it much to be honest. The layout uses a relatively *huge* amount of screen real estate. With the rise of netbooks and

[users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-07 Thread Twayne
M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote in message news:2fbc9b20908060721g5260f8cag778e298794987...@mail.gmail.com I think most of us can agree that the OOo GUI is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I'm not sure that everybody wants a needed update to tread the primorose path taken by Microsoft

[users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-07 Thread Mark C. Miller
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:02:04 -0400, Twayne wrote: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote in message news:2fbc9b20908060721g5260f8cag778e298794987...@mail.gmail.com I think most of us can agree that the OOo GUI is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I'm not sure that everybody wants a needed

[users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-06 Thread NoOp
On 08/06/2009 07:21 AM, M Henri Day wrote: I think most of us can agree that the OOo GUI is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I'm not sure that everybody wants a needed update to tread the primorose path taken by Microsoft Office. List members can judge for themselvs on the following site

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-06 Thread M Henri Day
2009/8/6 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net On 08/06/2009 07:21 AM, M Henri Day wrote: I think most of us can agree that the OOo GUI is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I'm not sure that everybody wants a needed update to tread the primorose path taken by Microsoft Office. List members can

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-06 Thread Drew Jensen
M Henri Day wrote: At the risk of sounding like I'm getting long in the tooth myself (I am), I agree with NoOp and, it would seem, a lot of other users that the ribbon road is not the path that OOo should take (I can use MS Office 2007 and in fact find it an improvement over 2003, so my opinion

RE: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-06 Thread sand c
whateva Sand. C Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:10:02 -0400 From: usersl...@paintedfrogceramics.com To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ? M Henri Day wrote: At the risk of sounding like I'm getting long in the tooth myself (I am), I agree with NoOp

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-06 Thread Harold Fuchs
On 06/08/09 16:10, Drew Jensen wrote: M Henri Day wrote: At the risk of sounding like I'm getting long in the tooth myself (I am), I agree with NoOp and, it would seem, a lot of other users that the ribbon road is not the path that OOo should take (I can use MS Office 2007 and in fact find it

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-08-06 Thread Drew Jensen
Harold Fuchs wrote: Take the time to enter your comments there - that will go directly to the individuals on the UX team working on this. Are you saying that if I enter comments on the blog page (which I have done) that those *won't* go directly to the individuals on the UX team working on