Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Daniel J McDonald wrote: It would be a harmless confusion, but if you specified: not_ok_locales se ok_locales en The ok_locales would do nothing at all. We'll have to document that *very* carefully. Maybe something like: ok_locales !se all Hmm, that's a bit confusing to me,

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden). Then it would be nice to have a not_ok_locales option,

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread jidanni
M or does he think All we know is users don't think like we do. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ M how will you benefit from contact with this broader spectrum if M they're emailing you in a character set you can't read? * Sternstone recalls: I was only 20 years old and had my name in Tamil in my

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Friday 07 December 2007 04:42, Matt Kettler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK I'll be happy to change my assumptions, but can you name any good reason MK why they would want to do so? The Matt theme: restrict oneself from getting mail from any but a few safe people, languages, or

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: Folks I am the postmaster for @compuserve.com and @csi.com (the i is important, @cs.com is someone else). A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some investigation I found that

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Matt Kettler wrote: Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden). Then it would be nice to have a

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Daniel J McDonald
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden).

Re: MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY problems

2007-12-07 Thread Joseph Brennan
triggers the MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY rule on every scan, stating that only a text/html Content type was found, yet there is clearly a plain text version being sent. http://server20.lfchosting.com/ianng/message.txt The main header has Content-Type: multipart/related; type=text/html;

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread Joseph Brennan
Rich Dygert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some investigation I found that a spammer was sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I was getting the back splatter. I cancelled the [EMAIL PROTECTED] account and

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Maybe the devs can briefly explain how the charset is being determined. Or at least, where exactly in the code one could find it... Matt, also, I got a feeling, that logic is what the OP is actually about. He does not want to leave out what he wants to be

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M or does he think All we know is users don't think like we do. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ Fundamentally, SpamAssassin is a tool written by system administrators, for system administrators and advanced users. Like it or not, the project's primary goal has always

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 23:36 +0100, Stefan Jakobs wrote: On Friday 07 December 2007 20:42, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Let's assume, one of them happens to be Swedish. And even though the entire communication is English, that ignorant bastard dares to have his real name at the bottom of his

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Friday 07 December 2007 20:42, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people

Re: Learning and verifying ham

2007-12-07 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 02:34:51PM -0500, Asif Iqbal wrote: I took a message and learned it as ham like this cat email-with-headers | sa-learn --ham (Useless use of cat!) Now I should expect the exact same email to be considered as ham. Correct? Not necessarily. You should expect that

Learning and verifying ham

2007-12-07 Thread Asif Iqbal
Hi All I took a message and learned it as ham like this cat email-with-headers | sa-learn --ham Now I should expect the exact same email to be considered as ham. Correct? But it does not. When I pipe it through spamassassin like following it shows it as spam cat email-with-headers |

Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread Rich Dygert
Folks I am the postmaster for @compuserve.com and @csi.com (the i is important, @cs.com is someone else). A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some investigation I found that a spammer was sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I was

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread mouss
McDonald, Dan wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: Folks I am the postmaster for @compuserve.com and @csi.com (the i is important, @cs.com is someone else). A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some

Re: Learning and verifying ham

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Asif Iqbal wrote: Hi All I took a message and learned it as ham like this cat email-with-headers | sa-learn --ham Now I should expect the exact same email to be considered as ham. Correct? No. You'd expect the bayes score to go down, but that alone might not be enough. But it does

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 03:40 +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: It's a rather twisted logic. You don't define what's good or bad (that again would be a black/whitelist), you leave out what's bad... Hmm, maybe not so twisted after all. ok_locales equals these are the charset classes I probably can

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 02:05 +0100, Stefan Jakobs wrote: On Saturday 08 December 2007 01:15, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Ok. My fault I mistook charsets with country codes. But replace se with ru or ch or greek7. The result is the same. You want one charset to be considered as not ham and

Re: MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY problems

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Iann Gorrill wrote: Hello everyone, We have a form that makes use of the phpmail class (http://phpmailer.sourceforge.net) that for one reason or another, triggers the MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY rule on every scan, stating that only a text/html Content type was found, yet there is clearly a plain

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden).

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 14:03 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: McDonald, Dan wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some investigation I found that a spammer was sending from

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread Rich Dygert
McDonald, Dan wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: Folks I am the postmaster for @compuserve.com and @csi.com (the i is important, @cs.com is someone else). A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Saturday 08 December 2007 01:15, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: snip Ok. My fault I mistook charsets with country codes. But replace se with ru or ch or greek7. The result is the same. You want one charset to be considered as not ham and you have to give the whole list to the parameter.

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 22:42 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And those who really want this effect can just list every locale except the one they dislike, if that's really what they want. Given the really small number of locales (character sets), this isn't unreasonable to

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 09:23 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: Also, keep in mind that it's perfectly valid to have multiple ok_locales statements so: No. :) According to the documentation, if there are multiple ok_locales lines, only the last one is used. guenther -- char *t=[EMAIL PROTECTED];

MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY problems

2007-12-07 Thread Iann Gorrill
Hello everyone, We have a form that makes use of the phpmail class (http:// phpmailer.sourceforge.net) that for one reason or another, triggers the MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY rule on every scan, stating that only a text/ html Content type was found, yet there is clearly a plain text version being