Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Daniel J McDonald wrote: It would be a harmless confusion, but if you specified: not_ok_locales se ok_locales en The ok_locales would do nothing at all. We'll have to document that *very* carefully. Maybe something like: ok_locales !se all Hmm, that's a bit confusing to me,

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden). Then it would be nice to have a not_ok_locales option,

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread jidanni
M or does he think All we know is users don't think like we do. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ M how will you benefit from contact with this broader spectrum if M they're emailing you in a character set you can't read? * Sternstone recalls: I was only 20 years old and had my name in Tamil in my

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Friday 07 December 2007 04:42, Matt Kettler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK I'll be happy to change my assumptions, but can you name any good reason MK why they would want to do so? The Matt theme: restrict oneself from getting mail from any but a few safe people, languages, or

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Matt Kettler wrote: Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden). Then it would be nice to have a

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Daniel J McDonald
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden).

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Maybe the devs can briefly explain how the charset is being determined. Or at least, where exactly in the code one could find it... Matt, also, I got a feeling, that logic is what the OP is actually about. He does not want to leave out what he wants to be

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M or does he think All we know is users don't think like we do. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ Fundamentally, SpamAssassin is a tool written by system administrators, for system administrators and advanced users. Like it or not, the project's primary goal has always

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 23:36 +0100, Stefan Jakobs wrote: On Friday 07 December 2007 20:42, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Let's assume, one of them happens to be Swedish. And even though the entire communication is English, that ignorant bastard dares to have his real name at the bottom of his

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Friday 07 December 2007 20:42, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 03:40 +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: It's a rather twisted logic. You don't define what's good or bad (that again would be a black/whitelist), you leave out what's bad... Hmm, maybe not so twisted after all. ok_locales equals these are the charset classes I probably can

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 02:05 +0100, Stefan Jakobs wrote: On Saturday 08 December 2007 01:15, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Ok. My fault I mistook charsets with country codes. But replace se with ru or ch or greek7. The result is the same. You want one charset to be considered as not ham and

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: Stefan Jakobs wrote: Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden).

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Saturday 08 December 2007 01:15, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: snip Ok. My fault I mistook charsets with country codes. But replace se with ru or ch or greek7. The result is the same. You want one charset to be considered as not ham and you have to give the whole list to the parameter.

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 22:42 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And those who really want this effect can just list every locale except the one they dislike, if that's really what they want. Given the really small number of locales (character sets), this isn't unreasonable to

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 09:23 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: Also, keep in mind that it's perfectly valid to have multiple ok_locales statements so: No. :) According to the documentation, if there are multiple ok_locales lines, only the last one is used. guenther -- char *t=[EMAIL PROTECTED];

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-06 Thread Per Jessen
Jonathan Armitage wrote: Provided it is possible with your MTA, you could consider rejecting such email at that level, thus relieving SA of the burden of having to scan it at all. This is easy in Exim, but I don't know if other mailers can do the same thing. In postfix, a header or a body

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-06 Thread jidanni
Anyway, Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf should admit that it doesn't mention What if I hate a specific language, people, culture. Is there e.g., a not_ok_locales? Don't put the answer here, put it on Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf, even if the answer is that there is no answer. Thank you.

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-06 Thread jidanni
The basic user understands whitelist_from and blacklist_from. But when he encounters the locales, he wonders why cannot there be whitelist_locales and blacklist_locales. He does not want to learn the superior logic of why his wish is not smart. He just wants to find the commands for

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-06 Thread Matt Kettler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK Let's say you speak English and Chinese, and hate Russian because you MK get lots of spam in that text format and don't speak it. That's me, English and Chinese, and hate Russian. MK In this situation, why would you want not_ok_localles ru instead of MK

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-06 Thread jidanni
MK I'll be happy to change my assumptions, but can you name any good reason MK why they would want to do so? The Matt theme: restrict oneself from getting mail from any but a few safe people, languages, or whatever. Life goes on in its familiar grey days. But alas, the software knows best. The

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-06 Thread Matt Kettler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf should admit that it doesn't mention What if I hate a specific language, people, culture. Is there e.g., a not_ok_locales? Don't put the answer here, put it on Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf, even if the answer is that there is no answer.

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-06 Thread Matt Kettler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK I'll be happy to change my assumptions, but can you name any good reason MK why they would want to do so? The Matt theme: restrict oneself from getting mail from any but a few safe people, languages, or whatever. Life goes on in its familiar grey days. But alas,

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-06 Thread Dave Pooser
The jidanni theme: open up life to a rainbow of possibilities. Y'know, at the risk of being rude, does the rainbow of possibilities include the possibility of READING the expletive-deleted CONF FILE? Just asking. But the basic user is not in the business of understanding things. Then he

the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-05 Thread Axel Werner
im looking for some opposit parameters of ok_locales to make spamassassin mark all incoming mail of some specific charsets or language settings (locales) to get marked by default. for example: since i life in western europe i never expect mails from eastern europe, asia, afrika or something

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-05 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 17:00 +0100, Axel Werner wrote: im looking for some opposit parameters of ok_locales to make spamassassin mark all incoming mail of some specific charsets or language settings (locales) to get marked by default. for example: since i life in western europe i never

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-05 Thread Jonathan Armitage
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 17:00 +0100, Axel Werner wrote: im looking for some opposit parameters of ok_locales to make spamassassin mark all incoming mail of some specific charsets or language settings (locales) to get marked by default. Provided it is possible

Re: the opposit of ok_locales ??

2007-12-05 Thread Matt Kettler
Axel Werner wrote: im looking for some opposit parameters of ok_locales to make spamassassin mark all incoming mail of some specific charsets or language settings (locales) to get marked by default. for example: since i life in western europe i never expect mails from eastern europe, asia