On Friday 17 July 2020 at 19:17:42, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> this entire "movement" about changing language boiled down is nothing more
> than yet another example of white people deciding what is best for people of
> color - like has been going on for centuries.
I applaud your comment, but I
I think this bit is finally dying down so I will merely point out as the
last, final nail in the coffin on all of this, that the majority of
people on both the Apache and the Linux projects (as well as the other
larger commercial entities like Google, etc. that are engaged in this)
are NOT
On 7/14/20 5:55 AM, jdow wrote:
I gotta ask here, "Can't we all skip the ad hominem insults and stick
to technical merits and goals involved in this change?" Please.
{o.o}
LOL - coming from the woman who has been outright insulting,
condescending, and dismissive both on- and off-list, this
And Linus Torvalds has announced this for the Linux kernel:
https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/13/linux_adopts_inclusive_language/
/Gaute G
tor. 16. jul. 2020 kl. 08:14 skrev Thomas Cameron <
thomas.came...@camerontech.com>:
> On 7/10/20 4:33 AM, jdow wrote:
> >
> > Are we now going to be
Maybe my tinfoil hat is tight, but that is no sin. Slander is a sin, and
you are guilty of it.
To call someone a racist, or white privileged, because they use the term
'blacklist' or 'whitelist' is slander. When you demonize someone or some
people murder is not far behind.
This is nothing
On 7/10/20 12:07 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
Amen!
This is not about racism this is about a Marxist (Socialist) takeover.
They don't care if you use the terms whitelist or blacklist, this is a
revolution.
Soon, it will be as in Dr. Zhivago. You'll come home being
dispossessed of your house and
On 7/10/20 4:33 AM, jdow wrote:
Are we now going to be afraid of the unwelcome rather than the dark?
Are we going to shine a welcome on problems rather than light?
You guys are MAKING problems where they do not exist. Shame on you,
children.
{^_^}
Nah, you're clinging to old,
On 14 Jul 2020, at 12:59, Kurt Fitzner wrote:
> This is truly unfortunate.
Thanks for changing the topic to evade filters killing this idiotic thread. How
supremely selfish and self-centered of you.
* Bill Cole:
> On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:20, Ralph Seichter wrote:
>
>> You obviously continue to ignore that white/black mean different
>> things across the globe.
>
> Not at all. This is exactly why their use when not referring to colors
> is inaccurate and potentially confusing and/or annoying.
On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:20, Ralph Seichter wrote:
You obviously continue
to ignore that white/black mean different things across the globe.
Not at all. This is exactly why their use when not referring to colors
is inaccurate and potentially confusing and/or annoying.
--
Bill Cole
On 14/07/2020 19:03, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> Marc and others about voting,
>
> The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are earned by
> demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project management committee
> aka the PMC. Discussion with the PMC on this change
Firstly, not directred at you lbutlr, but to Harry since I dont care to
read his vile trash, BUT,
Let the history note that at 0917 on Wednesday, 15 July 2020, I agreed
with something he allegedly posted.
On 12/07/2020 09:23, @lbutlr wrote:
> On 11 Jul 2020, at 16:38, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
On 13/07/2020 06:48, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> This isn't a political forum, though. I'd suggest if you want to debate
> politics, go somewhere else. If you want to stop bastard spammers, this is
> the place.
Bullshit it isnt a political forum - YOU Kevin made it one !
One which clearly 99%
On 11/07/2020 21:39, Axb wrote:
> On 7/11/20 1:32 PM, Antony Stone wrote: On Saturday 11 July 2020 at 12:42:43,
> hospice admin wrote:
>
> Concentrating on the technical issues below ...
>
> I think there's a fairly wide consensus among those posting on this thread,
> myself included, that
Social Justice activism is political.
On 7/14/2020 10:24 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
I am proud to say I voted for this issue and support it as social
issue, not a political issue.
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 16:50 -0500, sha...@shanew.net wrote:
> That last bit is plain wrong. Jamestown had Africans as slaves as
> early as 1619,
>
Fair enough - I was ignoring the Spanish because it seems to me,
possibly wrongly, that what they did in that sphere had little influence
on the
Sir, with all due respect, your extreme arrogance is exceptionally off putting.
You imagine a problem. Then demand it be solved damn the consequences. You
imagined the wrong problem. So your non-solution is doomed. Systemic racism is
in YOUR head not MY head. Respect is in MY head. I am not
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, Martin Gregorie wrote:
I notice that the abstract you quoted has no references earlier than
1962, so I find it hard to take it seriously, especially as the earlier
religious links between 'black' and 'sin' appear to be ignored by it.
This is odd considering how much
Kevin, the mistake made every time this issue comes up, and I've seen since the
N word letter was followed by egro, is the silly notion that changing
nomenclature will change anything real when what is needed is more respect for
what a person brings to a situation than manufactured respect for
They created a problem that was not there and then "solved it". Aren't they
marvelous? Solving social problems by means of technical name changes does not
solve either technical or social problems. This has been my experience
repeatedly. Are we now not able to include a color in descriptions of
> Here's a well researched and documented article from a medical
> journal on the topic with expert citations:
> https://jmla.pitt.edu/ojs/jmla/article/view/490 The abstract says it
> very well: "This commentary addresses the widespread use of racist
> language in discussions concerning predatory
> We do you the courtesy of speaking English, so please do us the
courtesy of not bullying us about
> what you consider permissible or racially charged.
That is our own fault also. I have been trying to get funding for a
project to counter some US monopoly, but we have here just cheap/greedy
...@gregorie.org
Cc: Rupert Gallagher; Marc Roos; Dave Goodrich; SA Mailing list
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826]
Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave
I would posit that the 1962 date is rooted as much in the US Civil
Rights movement
* Kevin A. McGrail:
> I would posit that the 1962 date is rooted as much in the US Civil
> Rights movement in the 1960's as anything else. Before then white and
> black definitely had negative connotations [...]
And we're back, once again, to America: The *US* Civil Rights movement
(which I
Amen.
> On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Kurt Fitzner wrote:
>
> This is truly unfortunate. The current trend of whitewashing (and no I'm not
> afraid of using a word with "white" in it) away perceived slurs where there
> never were any is both troubling and counter-productive.
>
> I
I would posit that the 1962 date is rooted as much in the US Civil Rights
movement in the 1960's as anything else. Before then white and black
definitely had negative connotations such as whites-only restrooms, areas
on busses, restaurants, water fountains, neighborhoods, and whatever other
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 12:24 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> We'll have to agree to disagree. To me it is clearly racially charged
> language and you are cherry picking your sources. Here's a well
> researched
> and documented article from a medical journal on the topic with expert
> citations:
This is truly unfortunate. The current trend of whitewashing (and no
I'm not afraid of using a word with "white" in it) away perceived slurs
where there never were any is both troubling and counter-productive.
I shouldn't have to post something like this here. We should all be
adults and
On 14 Jul 2020, at 10:10, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Kevin,
If my words or position had any chance of modifying course, I would
certainly do so again. But as you say further down, the "hullabaloo" of
people trying to present other points of view, is pointless.
Luis, the article I quoted was
:07 AM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org; Marc Roos ;
kmcgrail
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve
language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave
Please Marc, stick to technical merit for your argument. Getting nasty does not
solve technical
Luis, the article I quoted was well research and included expert
citations. I'd be interested if you can find me one that says it isn't
racially-charged with expert citations, please. Especially one that has
citations almost 50 years old that mention the problem.
> The vote of the PMC is being
On 14 Jul 2020, at 9:24, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Here's a well researched
and documented article from a medical journal on the topic with expert
citations: https://jmla.pitt.edu/ojs/jmla/article/view/490 The
abstract
says it very well: "This commentary addresses the widespread use of
racist
We'll have to agree to disagree. To me it is clearly racially charged
language and you are cherry picking your sources. Here's a well researched
and documented article from a medical journal on the topic with expert
citations: https://jmla.pitt.edu/ojs/jmla/article/view/490 The abstract
says it
On 7/14/20 8:15 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
The only change is that in 2009, they asked us to standardize on
referring to them as the /*_Apache Nation_*/ but otherwise, there are
no issues with the Apache name. We are proud to use the name Apache
and hope that our great work as a foundation
> racially-charged nature of blacklist
There is no such thing.
Black list originates from black book, that is a book with white pages and
black cover, with black ink, where sins are listed in haven for you to be
judged upon.
On the colour of the cover, it is black because that's how old
I would argue that welcome is better than allow in many contexts,
including SpamAssassin. After all, w.*list isn't just used to indicate
something is allowed, but to indicate that we actively want to receive
the email in question (by lowering its score).
You allow a maintenance worker into your
Your association is just antiquated. I can't remember exactly when but
blocklist has been getting used to replace the racially-charged nature of
blacklist. Here's a public example from 2012:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/DnsBlocklistsInclusionPolicy
This verbiage
> Yeah, allow/deny is more logical but using them requires all acronyms
to change.
> After some trial and error, we dialed in the changes to welcome and
block which
> also keeps other terminology like RBL, DNSBL, WLBL, etc. consistent
> so there is less upheaval.
I associate BL with
Yeah, allow/deny is more logical but using them requires all acronyms to
change. After some trial and error, we dialed in the changes to welcome
and block which also keeps other terminology like RBL, DNSBL, WLBL, etc.
consistent so there is less upheaval.
Regards,
KAM
--
Kevin A. McGrail
On 7/14/20 4:05 PM, Dave Goodrich wrote:
I can't stop it from happening, so be it.
Here's an idea..
if enough voices are loud enough... Make yourself heard, press, twitter,
etc.. use the same channels which are being used to favour the change.
Or are there too many ppl who fear being in the
> I like the change from whitelist/blacklist to allowlist/blocklist
because it is more descriptive.
Allow/deny list sounds more logical.
Semantics, I chose the wrong project name but the point is still there. That
the Apache Nation doesn't mind is not important in today's culture, I know
black people who do not feel offended by the term blacklist.
I do not believe the term blacklist had any racial origins, until white people
* Kevin A. McGrail:
> To you and others spouting off, be reminded that this is a publicly
> archived mailing list and you will be on the wrong side of history.
"The horror... The horror..." (W. Kurtz) :-)
Seriously, what's with the drama? This discussion already has emotions
running high.
As I
Eric Broch writes:
> As I've pointed out in previous posts the proponents are under a delusion.
It is fascinating that the person who cried about ad hominem attacks so
much resorts to the very same.
Every time Eric Broch writes to me off-list, or on list about this
subject, I donate another
jdow,
Change: Words 'blacklist/whitelist' to something politically correct
(hope and change).
Proponents: Those who want this change
Opponents: Those who don't want this change
Though we agree in the end--we're both opponents--I believe arguing the
technical merits is useless (not with me,
Dave,
The goal of removing racially-charged language is to be more inclusive by
being less offensive and more aware of the language we use without
thinking.
Re: Apache naming, you are mixing up the duties of the Apache SpamAssassin
Project with the Apache Software Foundation. This is just an
No, I am reading your words. The goal here is to remove language you, and
others, believe to be racially charged. To what goal, I cannot understand.
If you change whitelist/blacklist for the reason you have given, you must
change the name Apache and change it's logo. The root and origin of
I think you are reading other people's take on things. Clearer language
was an added bonus but never the reason. The reason was to remove racially
charged language and 4.0 was a good opportunity to do it since the major
bump would allow for disruption. Further, this article was what reminded
me
The wrong side of history? Are you kidding me?
I have been a long time user of Apache products. SA has been my go to solution
for decades. Until this morning, I was without opinion on this issue and I even
understood, and agreed, that the change had merit for clarity. But, 'go along
or be on
> Please Marc, stick to technical merit for your argument.
There is no technical discussion here afaik.
> Getting nasty does not solve technical problems, which we have here.
Attacks are not
> going to solve anything. Rational arguments may not. But, they should
be made just the same.
On 7/14/20 12:55 PM, jdow wrote:
I gotta ask here, "Can't we all skip the ad hominem insults and stick to
technical merits and goals involved in this change?" Please.
from where I sit, it will be very hard or there are no such merits / goals.
On 20200714 03:46:14, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:54 AM Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
I think you are focusing on the wrong part of my warning. This is a public
forum. The public including search engines and reporters and employers and
family can read it. Minutes after a
Of course the License allows forking. We are an Apache Project and use the
ASLv2.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 06:43 Mauricio Tavares wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 6:07 AM jdow wrote:
> >
> > Please Marc, stick to technical merit for your argument. Getting nasty
> does not
> > solve technical
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:54 AM Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>
> I think you are focusing on the wrong part of my warning. This is a public
> forum. The public including search engines and reporters and employers and
> family can read it. Minutes after a post is sent there are thousands and
>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 6:07 AM jdow wrote:
>
> Please Marc, stick to technical merit for your argument. Getting nasty does
> not
> solve technical problems, which we have here. Attacks are not going to solve
> anything. Rational arguments may not. But, they should be made just the same.
> Then
).
Van: Kevin A. McGrail
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 juli 2020 11:55
Aan: Guido Goluke, MajorLabel
CC: m.r...@f1-outsourcing.eu; users ; jdow
Onderwerp: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve
language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave
I think you
Please Marc, stick to technical merit for your argument. Getting nasty does not
solve technical problems, which we have here. Attacks are not going to solve
anything. Rational arguments may not. But, they should be made just the same.
Then the open source developers will go off and do what they
> To you and others spouting off, be reminded that this is a publicly
archived mailing list and you
> will be on the wrong side of history. Consider that when you post.
You must be feeling like a king in your little PMC? Who are you to judge
whom is on the wrong side of history. No wonder
I think you are focusing on the wrong part of my warning. This is a public
forum. The public including search engines and reporters and employers and
family can read it. Minutes after a post is sent there are thousands and
thousands of copies.
I believe others who disagree with removing
On 20200714 02:03:06, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Marc and others about voting,
The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are earned by
demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project management committee aka
the PMC. Discussion with the PMC on this change started in
A. McGrail
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 juli 2020 11:03
Aan: Marc Roos
CC: users ; jdow
Onderwerp: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve
language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave
Marc and others about voting,
The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy
.
-Original Message-
From: Kevin A. McGrail [mailto:kmcgr...@apache.org]
Sent: dinsdag 14 juli 2020 10:40
To: Axb
Cc: SA Mailing list
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826]
Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave
It is open source
Marc and others about voting,
The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are earned by
demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project management committee
aka the PMC. Discussion with the PMC on this change started in early April
with a vote in early May by the PMC.
To
: dinsdag 14 juli 2020 10:40
To: Axb
Cc: SA Mailing list
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826]
Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave
It is open source software, Axb. If you think it will take.you hundreds
of hours unbilled for you to make
i already opened a voting process here Marc...
LET's VOTE...
Would you like to have Apache Spamassassin change "WhiteList" and "BlackList"
terms due to racism sensibilities?
-Pedro
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 09:51:29 AM GMT+2, Marc Roos
wrote:
> I never said it was being done
It is open source software, Axb. If you think it will take.you hundreds of
hours unbilled for you to make the change on your system, you can easily
add the code for the stubs and aliases back whenever 4.1 comes out.
That is one of the great things about oss is you control your destiny.
With
> I never said it was being done for engineering reasons. The change is
> being done to remove racially-charged language from Apache
> SpamAssassin. As an open source project, we are part of a movement
> built on a foundation of inclusion that has changed how computing is
> done. The
On 7/14/20 9:41 AM, jdow wrote:
On 20200714 00:31:19, @lbutlr wrote:
On 14 Jul 2020, at 01:22, jdow wrote:
How does this move improve the technical quality of the product
from the end users' perspective?
You've been told repeatedly that the decision has been made, and
you have ignored
On 20200714 00:31:19, @lbutlr wrote:
On 14 Jul 2020, at 01:22, jdow wrote:
How does this move improve the technical quality of the product from the end
users' perspective?
You've been told repeatedly that the decision has been made, and you have
ignored everyone and attacked anyone who has
On 14 Jul 2020, at 01:22, jdow wrote:
> How does this move improve the technical quality of the product from the end
> users' perspective?
You've been told repeatedly that the decision has been made, and you have
ignored everyone and attacked anyone who has posted on this any opinion that
On 20200713 20:10:36, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
+pmc
So you are saying that to save somebody a passing bad feeling you are
throwing people under the bus who would have to edit scripts and pray.
What is the difference if it happens today or a year from now? What
Good Engineering Reason Is Served
On 7/13/2020 1:01 AM, Olivier wrote:
> That's exactely my point. SA is not just one stand alone software, it is
> deeply integrated into other pieces of software and lot of locally
> developped scripts and suff. And all this will have to be changed to
> satify a need of renaming.
>
> That is
> I could not resist to take a quick peek. ;-) I think I saw a message I
did not receive myself.
> But at least one message is still missing. I will look into it.
Maybe you blacklisted some guy? ;)
jdow writes:
> I am still trying to figure out the rationale for forcing everybody out there
> with established lists of "whitelist_from_rcvd" and "blacklist_from_rcvd" to
> go
> out there and edit EVERYBODY's user_prefs or explain to users they must do
> this
> themselves. *I* can do this
Cecil Westerhof:
I could not resist to take a quick peek. ;-) I think I saw a message I
did not receive myself. But at least one message is still missing. I
will look into it.
By the way. All my emails where send with the same account.
Cecil, I do not know what all you sent, but looking in my
"Kevin A. McGrail" writes:
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 5:28 PM Cecil Westerhof wrote:
>
> Why did my replies disappear then? I am not banned, because then the
> one you responded on would not have appeared either.
>
> Not enough information for me to know but I can repeat that the we simply
>
"Kevin A. McGrail" writes:
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 5:28 PM Cecil Westerhof wrote:
>
> Why did my replies disappear then? I am not banned, because then the
> one you responded on would not have appeared either.
>
> Not enough information for me to know but I can repeat that the we simply
>
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 5:28 PM Cecil Westerhof wrote:
> Why did my replies disappear then? I am not banned, because then the
> one you responded on would not have appeared either.
>
>
Not enough information for me to know but I can repeat that the we simply
don't have moderation and we use a
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:11 AM Axb wrote:
> I voted aginst it, loudly.
>
>
> On 7/11/20 4:35 AM, Noel Butler wrote:
> > Who is "we"
> >
> > Name the people who decided this pathetic communist dictatorship change
> > and who want to enforce this upon members of 160 odd other countries
> > just
"Kevin A. McGrail" writes:
>> is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe
> &
>> I think there is, because several responses I send [didn't show up]
>
> No, there isn't a moderator of this list except for new subscriptions and a
> person or two who posted egregiously enough to be
>
> is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe
&
> I think there is, because several responses I send [didn't show up]
No, there isn't a moderator of this list except for new subscriptions and a
person or two who posted egregiously enough to be banned.
This isn't a political forum, though.
Jordan says to clean your room.
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
> Again, you've made my point.
>
> All you have is a ad hominem and strawman arguments both logical fallacies.
>
> You can't debate so call for my removal from this list.
>
>
> On 7/12/2020 12:40 PM, micah
Again, you've made my point.
All you have is a ad hominem and strawman arguments both logical fallacies.
You can't debate so call for my removal from this list.
On 7/12/2020 12:40 PM, micah anderson wrote:
Eric Broch writes:
2) You accuse "the right wing[er]" of making this issue
jason hirsh writes:
> is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe
>
>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 2:07 PM, rtroy wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote:
>>
>> ...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the list.
>>
>> Isn't there a list moderator out there?
>>
>> We don't
rtroy skrev den 2020-07-12 20:06:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote:
...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the list.
send it to /dev/null then, instaed of reply
Isn't there a list moderator out there?
most people have hollidays right now
We don't need to read about the
Eric Broch writes:
> 2) You accuse "the right wing[er]" of making this issue political when
> we've/I've done no such thing.
hilariously, you then go on to do exactly that:
> The maintainers of the list have listened to those who've turned
> something benign (whitelist/blacklist) into
It's Sunday, Moderators also have lives...
Stay inside, Stay safe.
On 7/12/20 8:10 PM, jason hirsh wrote:
is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe
On Jul 12, 2020, at 2:07 PM, rtroy wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote:
...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the
On 12 Jul 2020, at 14:06, rtroy wrote:
Isn't there a list moderator out there?
Any moderation decisions are inherently few and slow. That is by design.
I believe there has been all of one (1) material moderation action in
the lifetime of this list, barring someone who continues to this day
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, jason hirsh wrote:
is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe
I'd suggest that's an overreaction. This is an unusual storm on the list,
it will pass.
Unfortunately politics is somewhat unavoidable in discussing this topic,
because there is no *technical*
is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 2:07 PM, rtroy wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote:
>
> ...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the list.
>
> Isn't there a list moderator out there?
>
> We don't need to read about the
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote:
...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the list.
Isn't there a list moderator out there?
We don't need to read about the aforementioned poster's personal problems
or politics.
Thank you, you've made my point.
1) Dismiss what you don't like to hear and give me a timeout, that's mature.
2) You accuse "the right wing[er]" of making this issue political when
we've/I've done no such thing. The maintainers of the list have listened
to those who've turned something benign
Hi Yall,
I've been a member of this list for years but this is my first post to the
list.
Given the great many posts already posted, I'll at least try and contribute
something useful.
First, whenever script re-writing might become necessary to change something
like, say "BumList" to
KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov in '85 (Idealogical Subversion & Demoralization):
"...to change the perception of reality of every American [and most
Europeans] to such an extent that despite the abundance of information
no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of
defending
People are upset because they're being called racists when they're not
by a sub-group who wants dominance and makes the accusation that because
you're white you're a racist. Then our peers grovel when they've done
nothing wrong. They've committed NO sin.
Master/Slave wasn't thought up to
On 11 Jul 2020, at 16:38, Reindl Harald wrote:
> yeah - by quoting your own idiocy - wow
I did no t want to call out any particular posting or poster.
> nobody right in his mind thins about black people in chanis when read
> something like this in a technical context: slave, master, blacklist,
Most every race has been enslaved at some point or other. They'd have
you believe that only whites were the enslave[ers] of blacks, It goes
with their evil narrative.
What, I am supposed to be offended because my ancestors in the past were
enslaved by Romans or even blacks?
Do they owe me
On 11 Jul 2020, at 16:04, @lbutlr wrote:
> It is astonishing, but not surprising, how angry people are over these
> changes though; it betrays at the very least a real lack of empathy.
If there is anyone paying attention to the mailing list, can you please just
kill this thread? It's not
On 11 Jul 2020, at 00:51, Bill Cole
wrote:
> On 10 Jul 2020, at 20:02, Luis E. Muñoz wrote:
>
>> On 10 Jul 2020, at 12:29, @lbutlr wrote:
>>
>>> If people are so fragile that they have to hold on to terms that are
>>> extremely offensive to some of their peers, they will get more spam. Oh
There is a difference between having authority to punish crime and
authoritarianism. Do you believe lawlessness is a good thing?
On 7/11/2020 1:49 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
Nice authoritarianism you’ve got there.
On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:32 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
Obama was a community
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