Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
Am 07.10.2014 um 02:10 schrieb John Hardin: On Tue, 7 Oct 2014, Reindl Harald wrote: P.S.: it was your "Re: [SPAM] Re: False positive in rule: FUZZY_XPILL" i refered implicitly as i started that thread - mayb eyou can make clear that the [SPAM] part was not your personal prefix for the SA list as LuKreme repeatly pretends instead just accept the hint instead make a stink Apologies for that, I'm not in the habit of editing the subject line (or even looking closely at it) when I reply. I will try to develop that habit no reason to apologize, the only people which need to aplogize are the ones pretending things without any need or knowledge how spamfilters are setup for most users out there and even restart to do so days later after the thread was done my intention was just a friendly reminder because i had that old filter from many years ago and i'm watching my junk-folder anaways for pull out things to train bayes, so i just wondered why twice a SA-list message landed there and though "uhm, for sure not the intention of the sender" :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014, Reindl Harald wrote: P.S.: it was your "Re: [SPAM] Re: False positive in rule: FUZZY_XPILL" i refered implicitly as i started that thread - mayb eyou can make clear that the [SPAM] part was not your personal prefix for the SA list as LuKreme repeatly pretends instead just accept the hint instead make a stink Apologies for that, I'm not in the habit of editing the subject line (or even looking closely at it) when I reply. I will try to develop that habit. -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- The first time I saw a bagpipe, I thought the player was torturing an octopus. I was amazed they could scream so loudly. -- cat_herder_5263 on Y! SCOX --- 858 days since the first successful private support mission to ISS (SpaceX)
Re: half-OT: please remove [spam]-markers from subjects
Am 07.10.2014 um 01:48 schrieb David Jones: On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, LuKreme wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 11:42 , Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.10.2014 um 19:34 schrieb LuKreme: [SPAM] is not a spam marker I’ve ever seen so it seems perfectly OK to me You are assuming, I think wrongly, that the [SPAM] tag is being used because of a content filter and not simply a tag to identify the name of the list it is the *default* tag for a lot of commercial spamfilters if a message was detected as spam but not high enough to drop Those are very stupid filters then. Huh? How else would you suggest that a spam filter mark messages that are scored high enough to be "spammy" yet not high enough to be discarded/rejected, in a manner that will clearly convey that status to the end user? I completely agree with Lukreme that you should never modify the subject to indicate spam since users just reply back to the sender causing the sender to think the reply is spam boah and at least try to avoid that was the point of my original post - so can we now agree that [SPAM] as part of the subject is not the best idea and continue to do other things?! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
Am 07.10.2014 um 01:38 schrieb John Hardin: On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, LuKreme wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 11:42 , Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.10.2014 um 19:34 schrieb LuKreme: [SPAM] is not a spam marker I’ve ever seen so it seems perfectly OK to me You are assuming, I think wrongly, that the [SPAM] tag is being used because of a content filter and not simply a tag to identify the name of the list it is the *default* tag for a lot of commercial spamfilters if a message was detected as spam but not high enough to drop Those are very stupid filters then. Huh? How else would you suggest that a spam filter mark messages that are scored high enough to be "spammy" yet not high enough to be discarded/rejected, in a manner that will clearly convey that status to the end user? he just thinks everybody out there study his mailheaders or even have the knowledge to do so and write perfect filters by the headers while that assumption is naive - that said, restart the thread once again after 3 days is questionable to say it polite - if all people would be that perfect they would not need the list P.S.: it was your "Re: [SPAM] Re: False positive in rule: FUZZY_XPILL" i refered implicitly as i started that thread - mayb eyou can make clear that the [SPAM] part was not your personal prefix for the SA list as LuKreme repeatly pretends instead just accept the hint instead make a stink signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: half-OT: please remove [spam]-markers from subjects
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, LuKreme wrote: > > On 03 Oct 2014, at 11:42 , Reindl Harald wrote: > >> > >> Am 03.10.2014 um 19:34 schrieb LuKreme: > >>> [SPAM] is not a spam marker I’ve ever seen so it seems perfectly OK to me > >>> You are assuming, I think wrongly, that the [SPAM] tag is being used > >>> because > >>> of a content filter and not simply a tag to identify the name of the list > >> > >> it is the *default* tag for a lot of commercial spamfilters > >> if a message was detected as spam but not high enough to drop > > > > Those are very stupid filters then. > Huh? > > How else would you suggest that a spam filter mark messages that are > scored high enough to be "spammy" yet not high enough to be > discarded/rejected, in a manner that will clearly convey that status to > the end user? I completely agree with Lukreme that you should never modify the subject to indicate spam since users just reply back to the sender causing the sender to think the reply is spam. I filter for almost 100,000 mailboxes and I got tired of explaining over and over when we tagged the subject. Now I just set the "X-Spam-Status: Yes" and hopefully the mail client will work with that and move it to the Junk folder. (Can't count on Outlook to do anything logical though. The Junk Mail Filter in Outlook seems to have a mind of it's own and it's not consistent.)
Re: half-OT: please remove [spam]-markers from subjects
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, LuKreme wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 11:42 , Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.10.2014 um 19:34 schrieb LuKreme: [SPAM] is not a spam marker I’ve ever seen so it seems perfectly OK to me You are assuming, I think wrongly, that the [SPAM] tag is being used because of a content filter and not simply a tag to identify the name of the list it is the *default* tag for a lot of commercial spamfilters if a message was detected as spam but not high enough to drop Those are very stupid filters then. Huh? How else would you suggest that a spam filter mark messages that are scored high enough to be "spammy" yet not high enough to be discarded/rejected, in a manner that will clearly convey that status to the end user? -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crime. -- Cesare Beccaria, quoted by Thomas Jefferson --- 858 days since the first successful private support mission to ISS (SpaceX)
Re: half-OT: please remove [spam]-markers from subjects
On 03 Oct 2014, at 11:42 , Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 03.10.2014 um 19:34 schrieb LuKreme: >> [SPAM] is not a spam marker I’ve ever seen so it seems perfectly OK to me >> You are assuming, I think wrongly, that the [SPAM] tag is being used because >> of a content filter and not simply a tag to identify the name of the list > > it is the *default* tag for a lot of commercial spamfilters > if a message was detected as spam but not high enough to drop Those are very stupid filters then. Let me guess, the shitpile that is Barracuda? Honestly, shitpile implies a much higher value than I believe Barracuda has, at leas t ahit pile can be used to fertilize. > there is a reason why i had that sieve-filter and i saw > that tagging over many years from a lot of other users > not only the one with Barracuda Networks products You should never filter on Subject. Period. -- "A musicologist is a man who can read music but can't hear it." - Sir Thomas Beecham (1879 - 1961)
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
Am 04.10.2014 um 18:27 schrieb jdebert: My apologies. You are 100,000% correct about changing annoying behaviours. thank you very much! I did not find the message you referred to, perhaps because of a forgotten convenience filter that strips nuisance tags from subjects the intention was not to find a specific message and belittle somebody or step in the middle of a thread while refer to something in the subject since it's not only specific for a single message frankly if i had imagined the storm happening after a short hint finished with a smily i just had fixed my not perfect historic sieve filter instead think "hmm if that happened now for me likely it does for others too, maybe worth to point out" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
My apologies. You are 100,000% correct about changing annoying behaviours. I did not find the message you referred to, perhaps because of a forgotten convenience filter that strips nuisance tags from subjects.
Full OT: Re "trolls" (was Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects)
On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 19:47:00 +0200 Kai Schaetzl wrote: > FYI, this person is banned from some lists for trolling. > Might be worthwhile for list-admin to consider that. > > https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&as_q=Harald+Reindl+troll > Whether or not Herr Reindl is a troll doesn't matter. There are people who are not trolls who seem to be for entirely non-trolling reasons. Trolls exist unless ignored. Ignoring is like air to a fish. Whatever the attitude or reason for the attitude please, just ignore it. none of this is worth letting anyone get up your nose. Let your internet skin be the thickest. Lists are too public and have a very, /very/ long memory. jd
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the list-folder :-) On 03.10.14 11:11, LuKreme wrote: You should not be filtering on Subject. Scoring on subject is fine, but filtering on it is a terrible idea. I have to agree with Reindl (not that I'd like to...). The [spam] in subject has more side-effects and really does not belong to list mail... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory.
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
On 10/3/2014 1:47 PM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: FYI, this person is banned from some lists for trolling. Might be worthwhile for list-admin to consider that. https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&as_q=Harald+Reindl+troll As of yet, I've not seen anything that has stepped to that level and let's focus on the current content and leave past issues behind, please. Plus in the scale of people I don't like, Trolls is actually pretty high: Slow walkers at the Mall . . . Trolls . . . . . . Politicians . . . . Spammers . . . Teenagers on my lawn Regards, KAM
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
Am 03.10.2014 um 19:47 schrieb Kai Schaetzl: > FYI, this person is banned from some lists for trolling. > Might be worthwhile for list-admin to consider that. > > https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&as_q=Harald+Reindl+troll thank you for your intervention and support of the two guys which are unhappy on several lsts that i do my best for a long time now to not overreact as in the past and continue their provocations when they see a chance why did you not read the following thread i already linked *before* hook up to Nicks ongoing provocations http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spamassassin/users/187913 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
FYI, this person is banned from some lists for trolling. Might be worthwhile for list-admin to consider that. https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&as_q=Harald+Reindl+troll Kai
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
Am 03.10.2014 um 19:34 schrieb LuKreme: > [SPAM] is not a spam marker I’ve ever seen so it seems perfectly OK to me > You are assuming, I think wrongly, that the [SPAM] tag is being used because > of a content filter and not simply a tag to identify the name of the list it is the *default* tag for a lot of commercial spamfilters if a message was detected as spam but not high enough to drop there is a reason why i had that sieve-filter and i saw that tagging over many years from a lot of other users not only the one with Barracuda Networks products signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
> On 03 Oct 2014, at 11:21 , Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 03.10.2014 um 19:11 schrieb LuKreme: >>> On 29 Sep 2014, at 11:19 , Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before > reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the > list-folder :-) Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour >>> >>> the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters >>> otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers >> >> You should not be filtering on Subject. Scoring on subject is fine, >> but filtering on it is a terrible idea > > i try to explain the intention of the thread a last time: > > * what i filter or not don't matter, i look in my junk-folder > * it was meant as friendly reminder if somebody don't whitelist > the SA list which is the reason [SPAM] appears in *his* incoming > mail it is a good idea after press "reply" remove that marker His is whose? A lot of people add [TAGS] to their incoming mail. If someone adds [SPAM] to list coming from here that’s fine. No one should be running SA on messages to this list anyway. > * i just don't get what needs a discussion about such a hint It doesn’t sound like a hint, and it’s not useful, and it doesn’t do anything that I can see other than annoy people who’ve replied to you. > * it is a bad idea to write mails with spam-markers in the subject [SPAM] is not a spam marker I’ve ever seen so it seems perfectly OK to me. If they were adding something like (Spam? 7.9) then you might, maybe, just possibly, have an argument. > because you never know how they are treated in case of the different > RCPT's on a mailing list and since *your intention as sender* is > that the list-members reveive your mail *it is in your intention* > to not put things in the subject making that more unlikely How mail is treated by the recipient is up to the recipient. > again: > it is not a matter of talking about spam on the SA list > it is just a matter if you already made the mistake pass > the list mail through your contentfilter don't amplify it > by bounce back the marker in your response You are assuming, I think wrongly, that the [SPAM] tag is being used because of a content filter and not simply a tag to identify the name of the list. > do i personally care? > no - why should i? Then why have you gone on so long about it? > it's not my mail which may get not the attention the sender likes Then I suggest you take a page from Bobby McFerrin, “Don’t worry, be happy” and just assume the people subscribed to this mailing list know what they are doing. -- It was all very well going about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact was that the disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists' houses and smashing their windows.
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
Am 03.10.2014 um 19:11 schrieb LuKreme: >> On 29 Sep 2014, at 11:19 , Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: >>> On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the list-folder :-) >>> >>> Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than >>> Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without >>> requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour >> >> the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters >> otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers > > You should not be filtering on Subject. Scoring on subject is fine, > but filtering on it is a terrible idea i try to explain the intention of the thread a last time: * what i filter or not don't matter, i look in my junk-folder * it was meant as friendly reminder if somebody don't whitelist the SA list which is the reason [SPAM] appears in *his* incoming mail it is a good idea after press "reply" remove that marker * i just don't get what needs a discussion about such a hint * it is a bad idea to write mails with spam-markers in the subject because you never know how they are treated in case of the different RCPT's on a mailing list and since *your intention as sender* is that the list-members reveive your mail *it is in your intention* to not put things in the subject making that more unlikely again: it is not a matter of talking about spam on the SA list it is just a matter if you already made the mistake pass the list mail through your contentfilter don't amplify it by bounce back the marker in your response do i personally care? no - why should i? it's not my mail which may get not the attention the sender likes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
> On 29 Sep 2014, at 11:19 , Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: >> On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before >>> reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the >>> list-folder :-) >> >> Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than >> Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without >> requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour > > the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters > otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers You should not be filtering on Subject. Scoring on subject is fine, but filtering on it is a terrible idea. -- "Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please." - Mark Twain
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
Am 03.10.2014 um 17:46 schrieb Nick Edwards: > thats funny, I could have sworn I replied and addressed to jdebert if you refer to me you are not in the position to decide that > oh lookie, so I did, you just cant help yourself fool, I think we know > who the paranoid delusional stalker is reindl, get help, but no one > here is qualified to give you the help you need, and might i remind > you again dumb fuck, I was on this list a long time before you showed > up here, so check hte definition of stalk the point is that i never talked to you or care where you are you permanently opening your mouth unasked everywhere in my directtion > you fruitcake, I warned you what would happen if you contact me > again, what happens now is your own doing skitzo boy. you are not in the position to warn anybody and i did not contact you until you decdied to continue your attacks http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.roundcube.user/4500 >>> Nick Edwards | 27 Sep 12:14 2014 >>> mind your own business , you dont get to play netcopper either so don't you and we would have no problem at all > On 10/3/14, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 03.10.2014 um 12:56 schrieb Nick Edwards: >>> jdebert, (since im not reply to the bully troll) >>> >>> he doesnt learn, worried about flame wars but kicks off by calling >>> other people smart asses, just ignore him, most of the rest of the >>> internet has done for a while >> >> creep away damned stalker - nobody asked you and the only smart >> ass here is you - what was that with "don't write me again and >> I wont have any need to abuse you back" below and how did you >> treat roundcube developers and continue to abuse against me days >> later each time you are bored and seek posts from me? >> >> Nick Edwards | 26 Sep 18:01 2014 >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.roundcube.user/4500 >> >> Weitergeleitete Nachricht >> Betreff: Re: [RCU] Time for new HTML Editor >> Datum: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:14:43 +1000 >> Von: Nick Edwards >> An: Reindl Harald >> >> you hate how im talking to you? good! now you know what it felt like >> by all those newbies you belittle and bully, maybe you will think >> twice about bullying them and coming over as a fucking dictator again >> huh but probably not, nutters like you never learn. >> >> so you fuck off and dont write me again, and I wont have any need to >> abuse you back. >> >> starting now, so if you want no contact you better fucking not reply >> >>> On 10/1/14, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 30.09.2014 um 18:12 schrieb jdebert: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:19:10 +0200 > Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: >>> On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the list-folder :-) >>> >>> Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than >>> Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without >>> requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour >> >> the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters >> otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers >> >> it's not a big deal but i see that mistake sometimes >> also in business communication - not real good > > I do not see any subject lines in this thread with [SPAM] in them. I > rarely see them in this list at all. (I suspect people are aware it can > cause some poorer filtering implementations to delete them.) so what - this was a new thread to not hijack others > Perhaps you need to look closer to home for this problem? for sure not if it appears in the middle of subjects > Meantime, it is highly recommended that, if someone subscribes to a > list about spam, one MUST make an exception to their filtering rules as > previously mentioned. It's also very sensible. It is ridiculous to > insist that people talking about spam stop using the word "spam" the SA list has a -100 score that won't change the fact that it is in general a bad attitude not look at the subject of a mail someone writes, but so be it until another flamewar starts because some smart asses need to reply to a hint wich needs no repsonse at all and was intended to just point out a common mistake signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
On 10/3/14 10:46 AM, "Nick Edwards" wrote: >On 10/3/14, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 03.10.2014 um 12:56 schrieb Nick Edwards: May I suggest the two of you either settle this with a machete fight (offlist!) or by being the bigger person and *not responding* to each other, including passive-agressive "I'm not speaking to him but would you please tell him he's a big ol' poopy-head" comments? Alternately, may I request a list moderator review the signal:noise ratio associated with this feud and take appropriate action? -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com
Re: [SA-Users] Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
Would it be possible for both of you to knock off this juvenile pissing contest on a public mailing list? Please? John -- I for one welcome our new computer overlords. -- Ken Jennings a former "Jeopardy!" quiz show champion, writing on his video screen as he faced certain defeat by IBM's Watson computer. pgpS4Do8QJ840.pgp Description: PGP signature
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thats funny, I could have sworn I replied and addressed to jdebert, oh lookie, so I did, you just cant help yourself fool, I think we know who the paranoid delusional stalker is reindl, get help, but no one here is qualified to give you the help you need, and might i remind you again dumb fuck, I was on this list a long time before you showed up here, so check hte definition of stalk, you fruitcake, I warned you what would happen if you contact me again, what happens now is your own doing skitzo boy. On 10/3/14, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 03.10.2014 um 12:56 schrieb Nick Edwards: >> jdebert, (since im not reply to the bully troll) >> >> he doesnt learn, worried about flame wars but kicks off by calling >> other people smart asses, just ignore him, most of the rest of the >> internet has done for a while > > creep away damned stalker - nobody asked you and the only smart > ass here is you - what was that with "don't write me again and > I wont have any need to abuse you back" below and how did you > treat roundcube developers and continue to abuse against me days > later each time you are bored and seek posts from me? > > Nick Edwards | 26 Sep 18:01 2014 > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.roundcube.user/4500 > > Weitergeleitete Nachricht > Betreff: Re: [RCU] Time for new HTML Editor > Datum: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:14:43 +1000 > Von: Nick Edwards > An: Reindl Harald > > you hate how im talking to you? good! now you know what it felt like > by all those newbies you belittle and bully, maybe you will think > twice about bullying them and coming over as a fucking dictator again > huh but probably not, nutters like you never learn. > > so you fuck off and dont write me again, and I wont have any need to > abuse you back. > > starting now, so if you want no contact you better fucking not reply > >> On 10/1/14, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> Am 30.09.2014 um 18:12 schrieb jdebert: On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:19:10 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: >> On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before >>> reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the >>> list-folder :-) >> >> Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than >> Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without >> requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour > > the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters > otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers > > it's not a big deal but i see that mistake sometimes > also in business communication - not real good I do not see any subject lines in this thread with [SPAM] in them. I rarely see them in this list at all. (I suspect people are aware it can cause some poorer filtering implementations to delete them.) >>> >>> so what - this was a new thread to not hijack others >>> Perhaps you need to look closer to home for this problem? >>> >>> for sure not if it appears in the middle of subjects >>> Meantime, it is highly recommended that, if someone subscribes to a list about spam, one MUST make an exception to their filtering rules as previously mentioned. It's also very sensible. It is ridiculous to insist that people talking about spam stop using the word "spam" >>> >>> the SA list has a -100 score >>> >>> that won't change the fact that it is in general a bad >>> attitude not look at the subject of a mail someone >>> writes, but so be it until another flamewar starts >>> because some smart asses need to reply to a hint >>> wich needs no repsonse at all and was intended to >>> just point out a common mistake > >
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Am 03.10.2014 um 12:56 schrieb Nick Edwards: > jdebert, (since im not reply to the bully troll) > > he doesnt learn, worried about flame wars but kicks off by calling > other people smart asses, just ignore him, most of the rest of the > internet has done for a while creep away damned stalker - nobody asked you and the only smart ass here is you - what was that with "don't write me again and I wont have any need to abuse you back" below and how did you treat roundcube developers and continue to abuse against me days later each time you are bored and seek posts from me? Nick Edwards | 26 Sep 18:01 2014 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.roundcube.user/4500 Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Re: [RCU] Time for new HTML Editor Datum: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:14:43 +1000 Von: Nick Edwards An: Reindl Harald you hate how im talking to you? good! now you know what it felt like by all those newbies you belittle and bully, maybe you will think twice about bullying them and coming over as a fucking dictator again huh but probably not, nutters like you never learn. so you fuck off and dont write me again, and I wont have any need to abuse you back. starting now, so if you want no contact you better fucking not reply > On 10/1/14, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 30.09.2014 um 18:12 schrieb jdebert: >>> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:19:10 +0200 >>> Reindl Harald wrote: Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: > On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before >> reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the >> list-folder :-) > > Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than > Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without > requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers it's not a big deal but i see that mistake sometimes also in business communication - not real good >>> >>> I do not see any subject lines in this thread with [SPAM] in them. I >>> rarely see them in this list at all. (I suspect people are aware it can >>> cause some poorer filtering implementations to delete them.) >> >> so what - this was a new thread to not hijack others >> >>> Perhaps you need to look closer to home for this problem? >> >> for sure not if it appears in the middle of subjects >> >>> Meantime, it is highly recommended that, if someone subscribes to a >>> list about spam, one MUST make an exception to their filtering rules as >>> previously mentioned. It's also very sensible. It is ridiculous to >>> insist that people talking about spam stop using the word "spam" >> >> the SA list has a -100 score >> >> that won't change the fact that it is in general a bad >> attitude not look at the subject of a mail someone >> writes, but so be it until another flamewar starts >> because some smart asses need to reply to a hint >> wich needs no repsonse at all and was intended to >> just point out a common mistake signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: half-OT: please remove spam-markers from subjects
jdebert, (since im not reply to the bully troll) he doesnt learn, worried about flame wars but kicks off by calling other people smart asses, just ignore him, most of the rest of the internet has done for a while On 10/1/14, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 30.09.2014 um 18:12 schrieb jdebert: >> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:19:10 +0200 >> Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before > reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the > list-folder :-) Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour >>> >>> the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters >>> otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers >>> >>> it's not a big deal but i see that mistake sometimes >>> also in business communication - not real good >> >> I do not see any subject lines in this thread with [SPAM] in them. I >> rarely see them in this list at all. (I suspect people are aware it can >> cause some poorer filtering implementations to delete them.) > > so what - this was a new thread to not hijack others > >> Perhaps you need to look closer to home for this problem? > > for sure not if it appears in the middle of subjects > >> Meantime, it is highly recommended that, if someone subscribes to a >> list about spam, one MUST make an exception to their filtering rules as >> previously mentioned. It's also very sensible. It is ridiculous to >> insist that people talking about spam stop using the word "spam" > > the SA list has a -100 score > > that won't change the fact that it is in general a bad > attitude not look at the subject of a mail someone > writes, but so be it until another flamewar starts > because some smart asses need to reply to a hint > wich needs no repsonse at all and was intended to > just point out a common mistake > >
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Am 30.09.2014 um 18:12 schrieb jdebert: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:19:10 +0200 > Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: >>> On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the list-folder :-) >>> >>> Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than >>> Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without >>> requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour >> >> the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters >> otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers >> >> it's not a big deal but i see that mistake sometimes >> also in business communication - not real good > > I do not see any subject lines in this thread with [SPAM] in them. I > rarely see them in this list at all. (I suspect people are aware it can > cause some poorer filtering implementations to delete them.) so what - this was a new thread to not hijack others > Perhaps you need to look closer to home for this problem? for sure not if it appears in the middle of subjects > Meantime, it is highly recommended that, if someone subscribes to a > list about spam, one MUST make an exception to their filtering rules as > previously mentioned. It's also very sensible. It is ridiculous to > insist that people talking about spam stop using the word "spam" the SA list has a -100 score that won't change the fact that it is in general a bad attitude not look at the subject of a mail someone writes, but so be it until another flamewar starts because some smart asses need to reply to a hint wich needs no repsonse at all and was intended to just point out a common mistake signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:19:10 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: > > On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before > >> reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the > >> list-folder :-) > > > > Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than > > Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without > > requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour > > the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters > otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers > > it's not a big deal but i see that mistake sometimes > also in business communication - not real good > I do not see any subject lines in this thread with [SPAM] in them. I rarely see them in this list at all. (I suspect people are aware it can cause some poorer filtering implementations to delete them.) Perhaps you need to look closer to home for this problem? Meantime, it is highly recommended that, if someone subscribes to a list about spam, one MUST make an exception to their filtering rules as previously mentioned. It's also very sensible. It is ridiculous to insist that people talking about spam stop using the word "spam". jd
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On 9/29/2014 11:19 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist:
>> On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged
>>> before reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk-
>>> instead the list-folder :-)
>>
>> Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather
>> than Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided
>> without requiring everyone else in the world to alter their
>> behaviour
>
> the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters otherwise
> it would not catch faked From-Headers
I would suggest that you either add an additional condition to your
sieve filter to exclude messages with the SA List-ID from subject line
detection*, or alter your spam detection rule to use a header which
you actually control. X-Spam-Status or X-Spam-Level are often good
choices.
[*] Something like:
if allof ( header :comparator "i;ascii-casemap" :contains "Subject"
"[SPAM]", not header :comparator "i;ascii-casemap" :contains "List-Id"
"" ) {
fileinto "INBOX.Spam";
stop;
}
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Nels Lindquist
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Am 29.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Nels Lindquist: > On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before >> reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the >> list-folder :-) > > Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than > Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without > requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour the [SPAM] marker comes *before* all other sieve-filters otherwise it would not catch faked From-Headers it's not a big deal but i see that mistake sometimes also in business communication - not real good signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/29/2014 10:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > please remove markers like [SPAM] if a mesage was flagged before > reply - they lead often that a message goes to junk- instead the > list-folder :-) Please teach your users to filter on the List-ID: header rather than Subject: for this list. The issue can be entirely avoided without requiring everyone else in the world to alter their behaviour. - -- Nels Lindquist -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAlQpk2sACgkQh6z5POoOLgTUhACdHyxMZ+fDHc0xRTEUoTIRdfuS 12YAn0k82NMngPWl9cv+8y22VTmYaNcc =lCcD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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