Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-27 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Nick, On 1/25/14, 11:12 AM, Nick Williams wrote: On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 1/24/14, 10:18 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-25 Thread Nick Williams
On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 1/24/14, 10:18 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:24:41PM -0500, Howard W. Smith, Jr. wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:08 PM, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Johan Compagner
On 23 January 2014 20:08, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com wrote: Ray Holme wrote: Doing anything as root conceals the errors. Tomcat is no exception and changing it to a real user makes your testing complete. Guys, I think that the rule (or should I say suggestion ?) on this list to *not*

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread chris derham
There are probably lots of reasons for top-posting, and I don't think we can lay the blame on the MS Outlook world. The people I work with use a mixture of Thunderbird, web-based interfaces, and Outlook. Every one of them top-posts :-(. When you click reply in these email clients, they

RE: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
From: cjder...@gmail.com [mailto:cjder...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of chris derham Subject: Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting As long as you can visually distinguish the reply from the original, does it really matter if that reply is above or below the original? Always bottom

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Mark H. Wood
If I can't figure out what the post is talking about by looking at the first 50-60 lines, I usually just hit D and move on. If, by some miracle, the poster really needed to reach *me*, he may eventually ask why I don't respond, and then I can tell him privately why I find his messages

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Ray Holme
On Friday, January 24, 2014 9:46 AM, Caldarale, Charles R chuck.caldar...@unisys.com wrote: From: cjder...@gmail.com [mailto:cjder...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of chris derham Subject: Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting As long as you can visually distinguish the reply from

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Filip Hanik
Since this is part of a thread, neither top nor bottom posting makes sense, why include the previous post if we all have access to it in our conversation thread. the only time it makes sense to include it, would be when you reply in line to multiple questions with multiple answers. there, that

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:24:41PM -0500, Howard W. Smith, Jr. wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:08 PM, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com wrote: Either people don't read the rules, or they do not understand the rule, or they just ignore it. I agree. As a tomcat/tomee user, I joined the list,

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Leo Donahue
All good ideas. I like the general rule of: be nice or ignore the post. Why should we let a user's post turn our day lousy? I'd hate to see this place turn into what other user forums have become, not naming names. - To

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Filip, On 1/24/14, 10:02 AM, Filip Hanik wrote: Since this is part of a thread, neither top nor bottom posting makes sense, why include the previous post if we all have access to it in our conversation thread. the only time it makes sense to

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-24 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 1/24/14, 10:18 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:24:41PM -0500, Howard W. Smith, Jr. wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:08 PM, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com wrote: Either people don't read the rules, or they do not

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread André Warnier
Ray Holme wrote: Doing anything as root conceals the errors. Tomcat is no exception and changing it to a real user makes your testing complete. Guys, I think that the rule (or should I say suggestion ?) on this list to *not* top-post is not working. Either people don't read the rules, or

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Leo Donahue
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com wrote: it seems that we're spending more time lately asking people to not top-post, than actually providing answers to their questions. So I have a few suggestions of my own : - have the list software add a message in *bold* to

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Konstantin Kolinko
2014/1/23 André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com: Ray Holme wrote: Doing anything as root conceals the errors. Tomcat is no exception and changing it to a real user makes your testing complete. Guys, I think that the rule (or should I say suggestion ?) on this list to *not* top-post is not

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Mark Eggers
On 1/23/2014 11:21 AM, Leo Donahue wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com wrote: it seems that we're spending more time lately asking people to not top-post, than actually providing answers to their questions. So I have a few suggestions of my own : - have the

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Ray Holme
Unfortunately that will mean that all folks who use yahoo need to copy and paste all messages. I have tried reply and reply to conversation but with the new yahoo paradigm (a couple months ago, they changed things) - it no longer allows me to post inside of an email as it did in the past. I

RE: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
From: Ray Holme [mailto:rayho...@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting Unfortunately that will mean that all folks who use yahoo need to copy and paste all messages. It appears that Mark E has no trouble with in-line posting from yahoo; perhaps he can share

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Mark Eggers
Reply at the bottom . . . and one in-line for fun. On Thursday, January 23, 2014 12:22 PM, Ray Holme rayho...@yahoo.com wrote: Unfortunately that will mean that all folks who use yahoo need to copy and paste all messages. I have tried reply and reply to conversation but with the new

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Ray Holme
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:41 PM, Mark Eggers its_toas...@yahoo.com wrote: Reply at the bottom . . . and one in-line for fun. On Thursday, January 23, 2014 12:22 PM, Ray Holme rayho...@yahoo.com wrote: Unfortunately that will mean that all folks who use yahoo need to copy and

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 André, On 1/23/14, 2:08 PM, André Warnier wrote: Ray Holme wrote: Doing anything as root conceals the errors. Tomcat is no exception and changing it to a real user makes your testing complete. Guys, I think that the rule (or should I say

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Milo Hyson
On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: Some people can't figure out how to reply properly. Just gently remind posters of the rules and get back to business. There is no need to reply to a post by simply saying Don't top-post and leaving it at

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread André Warnier
Christopher, Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 André, On 1/23/14, 2:08 PM, André Warnier wrote: Ray Holme wrote: Doing anything as root conceals the errors. Tomcat is no exception and changing it to a real user makes your testing complete. Guys, I

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 André, On 1/23/14, 6:09 PM, André Warnier wrote: Christopher, Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 André, On 1/23/14, 2:08 PM, André Warnier wrote: Ray Holme wrote: Doing anything as root conceals

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Mark Eggers
On 1/23/2014 3:51 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 André, On 1/23/14, 6:09 PM, André Warnier wrote: Christopher, Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 André, On 1/23/14, 2:08 PM, André Warnier wrote: Ray

Re: [OT] Out of memory exception - top posting

2014-01-23 Thread Howard W. Smith, Jr.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:08 PM, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com wrote: Either people don't read the rules, or they do not understand the rule, or they just ignore it. I agree. As a tomcat/tomee user, I joined the list, primarily, to listen in on topics (that interest me), so I learned, very