[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Am 31.05.2012 04:57, chimak111 wrote: Apropos the announcement and referring to [i]with up to 100% performance gains when opening large files (depending on operating system, hardware configuration and file contents)[/i] in particular, it would be nice if LibreOffice had a set of large files that users could download and check for themselves before and after installing 3.5.4 so that one variable, file content, would be out of the way. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-3-5-4-100-faster-tp3986920.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Since this is the type of news that comes from Italo Vignoli I don't give a shit. He has really no clue. Interested spreadsheet users can generate huge data sheets within seconds. With my own files I notice a *small* difference in speed between AOO and LibO3.3 on one side and LibO 3.5 on the other side. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Hi :) Please can we try to keep this mailing-list family friendly? It is a good point that marketing and PR often needs to say things that are not always objective or quantifiable. A salesman's claim that something is 100% is not the same as a programmers idea of 100% and neither may bear any relation to what wide-eyed-end-users feel that they experience. Personally i think that when marketing people assign numbers to things they tend to make a complete mess and so they should avoid it. It is why we now have measurements such as GiB, MiB etc compared to GB, MB etc. While the i is meant to mean absolutely right this time honest guv marketing people just misuse it just as they misused the original ones so we still don't know whether people mean 1 GB = 1024 MB or just 1000MB compounded by not knowing if those MBs are 1024 Kb or not, so quoted figures for any measurements can end up being completely useless and nothing to do with real size. Why can't they just say things like A LOT faster?? Why drag in numbers that are likely to be proven wrong in certain/all cases? Regards from Tom :) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Le 31/05/12 14:59, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi Tom, Why can't they just say things like A LOT faster?? Why drag in numbers that are likely to be proven wrong in certain/all cases? Well, probably because the cynic in me knows that someone in the AOO camp released a statement about AOO 3.4 essentially saying that it was much faster (by a factor of x, y, z) than LO, and both projects seem to be content to knock each other about at the slightest occasion (sighs in disbelief). I have personally always hated the spin that this project has attempted to put on things to make it sound more attractive than the competition - it was the same thing while OOo was ongoing. Like Andreas, I generally tend to ignore announcements like that and prefer factual analysis, but how often is software tested and statistically significant results given ? errmm On my Linux box, with less than one Gig of ram and an old 5400 rpm harddisk, everything is slow ;-) On my Macbook, it depends. So basically, YMMV - your mileage may vary. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Alexander Thurgood wrote ... I ... prefer factual analysis, but how often is software tested and statistically significant results given ? errmm On my Linux box, with less than one Gig of ram and an old 5400 rpm harddisk, everything is slow ;-) On my Macbook, it depends. So basically, YMMV - your mileage may vary. ... Not to belabour a point, but that's why I felt that if there was a set of files available, anyone could use them before and after on their own boxes with both the old and the new version to see how things are for them in their situation. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-3-5-4-100-faster-tp3986920p3987124.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
On 5/31/2012 12:57 PM, chimak111 wrote: Alexander Thurgood wrote ... I ... prefer factual analysis, but how often is software tested and statistically significant results given ? errmm On my Linux box, with less than one Gig of ram and an old 5400 rpm harddisk, everything is slow ;-) On my Macbook, it depends. So basically, YMMV - your mileage may vary. ... Not to belabour a point, but that's why I felt that if there was a set of files available, anyone could use them before and after on their own boxes with both the old and the new version to see how things are for them in their situation. Unfortunately, even then, you could only state something like With these particular test files, LO is xx% faster. But, really, so what? In my particular case, I regularly use a large and complex spreadsheet with numerous custom macros. In my case, moving from LO 3.4.x to 3.5.x apparently broke something vital. A process that has taken less than 60 seconds to complete in versions 3.x through 3.4.x now can take 30 minutes or more. Total deal-breaker and major pain in the butt! So in my own real-(in my)-world test files, v3.5.x is thousands of percent slower! But I do see your point. 2 cents. __ *Chad Neeper* Senior Systems Engineer *Level 9 Networks* 740-548-8070 (voice) 866-214-6607 (fax) /Full LAN/WAN consulting services -- Specialized in libraries and schools/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Am 31.05.2012 19:08, Chad Neeper wrote: So in my own real-(in my)-world test files, v3.5.x is thousands of percent slower! But I do see your point. This project has too many consumers and fan boys but no power users. Apart from that, the time of spreadsheets is over. In the 2020ies hardly anybody will be able to use them. The extreme decline of user skills and education is obvious. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Hi Chad, Le 2012-05-31 13:08, Chad Neeper a écrit : But, really, so what? In my particular case, I regularly use a large and complex spreadsheet with numerous custom macros. In my case, moving from LO 3.4.x to 3.5.x apparently broke something vital. A process that has taken less than 60 seconds to complete in versions 3.x through 3.4.x now can take 30 minutes or more. Total deal-breaker and major pain in the butt! Have you issued a bug for this? Could you describe the problem and have a sample where it does not work or the speed has slowed? Cheers, Marc -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Hi :) I think you under-value your own skill-level. If you don't value your own extremely advanced skill-set then of course you despair of other people that successfully use it a lot but just almost never need to do so at the advanced levels you consider basic. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 31/5/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote: From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 31 May, 2012, 18:18 Am 31.05.2012 19:08, Chad Neeper wrote: So in my own real-(in my)-world test files, v3.5.x is thousands of percent slower! But I do see your point. This project has too many consumers and fan boys but no power users. Apart from that, the time of spreadsheets is over. In the 2020ies hardly anybody will be able to use them. The extreme decline of user skills and education is obvious. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
On 5/31/2012 1:18 PM, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 31.05.2012 19:08, Chad Neeper wrote: So in my own real-(in my)-world test files, v3.5.x is thousands of percent slower! But I do see your point. This project has too many consumers and fan boys but no power users. Apart from that, the time of spreadsheets is over. In the 2020ies hardly anybody will be able to use them. The extreme decline of user skills and education is obvious. I probably should have mentioned that even though LO v3.5.x killed my spreadsheet performance, I still use v3.5.x becauseI like it. So I found a somewhat palatable work-around. I'm perfectly happy to be a power user and fan boy rolled into one! I'd disagree that the time of spreadsheets (even complex ones) is over, though. There will always be people like me that evolve what starts out as a simple spreadsheet to track a few items...into something that is ridiculously complex and should really be ported to a true database engine! :-) __ *Chad Neeper* Senior Systems Engineer *Level 9 Networks* 740-548-8070 (voice) 866-214-6607 (fax) /Full LAN/WAN consulting services -- Specialized in libraries and schools/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
On 5/31/2012 1:29 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Chad, Le 2012-05-31 13:08, Chad Neeper a écrit : LO 3.4.x to 3.5.x apparently broke something vital. A process that has taken less than 60 seconds to complete in versions 3.x through 3.4.x now can take 30 minutes or more. Total deal-breaker and major pain in the butt! Have you issued a bug for this? Could you describe the problem and have a sample where it does not work or the speed has slowed? I haven't yet completely isolated the problem. I know that it lies within the BASIC code, and know generally what calls are doing it, but haven't gotten further yet. I figured if I eventually narrow it down enough to replicate in a virgin spreadsheet, I'll ask the community and then, depending on comments, file a bug. __ *Chad Neeper* Senior Systems Engineer *Level 9 Networks* 740-548-8070 (voice) 866-214-6607 (fax) /Full LAN/WAN consulting services -- Specialized in libraries and schools/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Hi Chad, Le 2012-05-31 13:48, Chad Neeper a écrit : On 5/31/2012 1:29 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Chad, Le 2012-05-31 13:08, Chad Neeper a écrit : LO 3.4.x to 3.5.x apparently broke something vital. A process that has taken less than 60 seconds to complete in versions 3.x through 3.4.x now can take 30 minutes or more. Total deal-breaker and major pain in the butt! Have you issued a bug for this? Could you describe the problem and have a sample where it does not work or the speed has slowed? I haven't yet completely isolated the problem. I know that it lies within the BASIC code, and know generally what calls are doing it, but haven't gotten further yet. I figured if I eventually narrow it down enough to replicate in a virgin spreadsheet, I'll ask the community and then, depending on comments, file a bug. Thanks for the help with debugging. Let us know when you need some people to confirm the bug. Cheers, Marc -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
On 5/31/2012 1:56 PM, Tom Davies wrote: +1 Growth is good :) A fresh start in a new format can be great but_finding time to do it is not always easy_! ...especially when one has to try to interpret mind-bending comments about skill levels...LOL! I'm driving quickly enough to the nut house on my own. I don't need help, Tom!! :-) __ *Chad Neeper* Senior Systems Engineer *Level 9 Networks* 740-548-8070 (voice) 866-214-6607 (fax) /Full LAN/WAN consulting services -- Specialized in libraries and schools/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster
Hi :) [bows] I just re-read it and i think i need to lay off the coffee! Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 31/5/12, Chad Neeper cnee...@level9networks.com wrote: From: Chad Neeper cnee...@level9networks.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.5.4: 100% faster To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 31 May, 2012, 19:06 On 5/31/2012 1:56 PM, Tom Davies wrote: +1 Growth is good :) A fresh start in a new format can be great but_finding time to do it is not always easy_! ...especially when one has to try to interpret mind-bending comments about skill levels...LOL! I'm driving quickly enough to the nut house on my own. I don't need help, Tom!! :-) __ *Chad Neeper* Senior Systems Engineer *Level 9 Networks* 740-548-8070 (voice) 866-214-6607 (fax) /Full LAN/WAN consulting services -- Specialized in libraries and schools/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
