Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:54:44 -0500 (CDT), "Mauricio Baeza Servin" wrote: > > > > > > ok, I will write the firs very simple new UNO component, and I will > > > documented it... > > > > > > Please, be merciful to my English > > > > Awesome! > > > > > ok, I has finish first draft where I show you: > > First macro. > First minimal Calc function (Add-in) > First minimal extension (Add-on) > First minimal UNO component > > I have very much documentation in spanish for translate. Please, you tell me > any error in my basic english. > > Please, any question, you use new thread, or use our group pymacros in > telegram: > https://t.me/joinchat/GYWsLA56MfCuv490-LiYLA I'm sorry, I forgot the link: https://pymacros.elmau.net/ :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
> > > > ok, I will write the firs very simple new UNO component, and I will > > documented it... > > > > Please, be merciful to my English > > Awesome! > ok, I has finish first draft where I show you: First macro. First minimal Calc function (Add-in) First minimal extension (Add-on) First minimal UNO component I have very much documentation in spanish for translate. Please, you tell me any error in my basic english. Please, any question, you use new thread, or use our group pymacros in telegram: https://t.me/joinchat/GYWsLA56MfCuv490-LiYLA Best regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Hi :) I don't have a specific purpose. I was more thinking of just learning for fun as a hobbyist in those brief moments where i have time and fancy something to get my teeth into for half and hour or so. Regards from a Tom :) On 9 July 2018 at 17:40, Andrew Pitonyak wrote: > > Disclaimer: I have only used Python once to to talk to LO. In fact, I work > pretty hard to write all of my "macros" in Basic because support is very > consistent across platforms. I cannot comment directly on Python, but, in > Basic, I do not need to worry about which interface handles which calls, > that level of detail is handled for free. > > If I decided to not use Basic, I would evaluate which other language has > the best integration, and, I cannot comment on that since I rarely leave > Basic. I looked at Python because there was an issue with the Python > version for a macro that someone wrote and they were having trouble with > integration. > > My Primary complaint about Python is that the block structure is directly > related to the spacing and I have had that messed with as I moved between > machines and operating system. I do not expect that to be a problem if you > do not move between machines and if you have full control over the editor > that use in terms of how it is configured... And if you are not pasting > code that others have written or from web sites. All of those issues have > caused me issues all related to how Python interprets blocks. When I write > code in my Python specific editor and I stay on one machine, and I do not > integrate code from other places, I have no problems with it. I should note > that I work with some people who feel that they must solve every problem > with Python. > > > As for your first language, I do not see a problem with using Python, but > I also do not see a problem using Basic. Much depends on your end goal. > Especially if you limit external dependencies, Python should run unchanged > on most machines with a few caveats. > > Why do you want to program? More specifically, what do you want to produce? > > What type of programs do you want to write? (GUI, command line, control > LO, etc...) > > How portable must your code be? > > If you want to write a GUI and it will only run on Windows, I think that > Visual Studio has a decent environment for development. I spend way more > time writing Java and C++ these days, which means that I have not been > using Visual Studio lately. > > > > > On 2018-07-09 6:20, Tom Davies wrote: > >> Hi :) >> @ Mauricio: Wow!!! That was very eloquent! :)) Thanks :) >> >> @ Gordon: Sorry! I had a go with Pascal but got distracted and didn't >> get >> very far. It looked a LOT more elegant but i was entrenched in using >> Basic >> at the time and couldn't handle the back to basics at that point in time. >> >> @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better >> to >> start with something else first to ease into it all? >> >> I'm kinda playing around with Scratch a bit and kinda learning Python but >> at a very relaxed pace. Both seem quite good fun now :) >> >> Regards from a Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> On 9 July 2018 at 06:19, gordon cooper >> wrote: >> >> GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo. >>> >>> When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a >>> Basic program would soon become an unstructured mess of >>> GoTo's and a hassle to debug. One of our Pascal lecturers was >>> very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, or to even talk about it >>> in his presence. >>> >>> Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory, >>> Gordon. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote: >>> >>> On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy > > There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to port software between the various systems that were available. Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo. Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some variants don't have GoTo. jonathon >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un >>> subscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundatio >>> n.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>> >>> > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un > subscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
We were allowed the occasional GoTo, but only if it was a forward jump, never backwards. IF...THEN and ELSE DO were much to be preferred. I have tinkered with Python and would prefer it to Basic but have little need for any programming these days. Gordon. On 09/07/18 23:39, jonathon wrote: There is a Python implementation that includes GoTo! One of our Pascal lecturers was very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, or to even talk about it My Pascal instructor was of the mind that the only two control structures needed were: * GoTo; * Repeat Until; That makes for some very messy code. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Let's try sending that reply to the list also. (sorry) On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:01 PM Drew Jensen wrote: > Howdy Patrick, et al; > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:11 AM Patrick Gelin > wrote: > >> I think there is a problem with python: nomadism ! If I want to use my >> USB key with Base connecting to HSQLDB I need to install >> LibreOffice/OpenOffice into the PC, then JAVA, Then HSQLDB ... then >> Python ! It's a lot. I would like to use nn install system at work >> because admin installed LibreOffice and Java but not Python ... So may >> be for me java would be better than python in this context. What I love >> with Basic programmation : all it's embeded with my Base application ! >> > > Well, maybe the flatpak release package would work better for your > situation; just a thought. > >> >> *** Do you know a good book for LibreOffice/OpenOffice/UNO Java/Python >> programmation ? *** >> What about UNO API if I use Python/Java ? Is there inline documentation ? >> > I would recommend first the SDK documentation. The with basic or python > the use of an object inspector extension wich can link to that > documentation. > The SDK is available for download from the main site. > You can find some information about python object inspectors and editors > on the wiki at > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Design_Guide > > >> >> What about events management if I'm using event catch into extern >> application ? With basic I can open a simple dialog box to connect >> events to catch function, but with extern program I will need to >> register manualy. The interest to use LibreOffice Base is to build >> rapidedly a simple database interface... >> > A lot of the 'how to' pages I find for libreoffice/python start with an > example of running libreoffice in a mode that allows an external python > application to interact with it. > However you can also use python code from within the libreoffice > application, through the macro support. When you do that then you can setup > your listeners on many things, like documents or forms, just as easily > using python as basic. Dialog boxes, as you note, is not one of them. Yes > you have to set that up in your python script when you prep to instantiate > the dialog and if you want to use the basic IDE dialog editor you have to > do a tab bit more in python than basic. > > >> >> I know, if you use Python or Java you are connected with Uno. But I know >> also there is some complexity with typing variables between Uno or >> Java/Python scripts ... And then, I know also Python is using some C++ >> interfaces,by memory for event mangement Uno is C++ also, isn't it ? >> > I would say, think of uno as a specification for an API and the uno > objects which service requests through the api could be written in more > then c++. (but IIRC, it has some c++ ish quirks) > > I think a python/libreoffice cookbook would be a great idea, btw. > > Best wishes, > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Howdy Patrick, et al; On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:11 AM Patrick Gelin wrote: > I think there is a problem with python: nomadism ! If I want to use my > USB key with Base connecting to HSQLDB I need to install > LibreOffice/OpenOffice into the PC, then JAVA, Then HSQLDB ... then > Python ! It's a lot. I would like to use nn install system at work > because admin installed LibreOffice and Java but not Python ... So may > be for me java would be better than python in this context. What I love > with Basic programmation : all it's embeded with my Base application ! > Well, maybe the flatpak release package would work better for your situation; just a thought. > > *** Do you know a good book for LibreOffice/OpenOffice/UNO Java/Python > programmation ? *** > What about UNO API if I use Python/Java ? Is there inline documentation ? > I would recommend first the SDK documentation. The with basic or python the use of an object inspector extension wich can link to that documentation. The SDK is available for download from the main site. You can find some information about python object inspectors and editors on the wiki at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Design_Guide > > What about events management if I'm using event catch into extern > application ? With basic I can open a simple dialog box to connect > events to catch function, but with extern program I will need to > register manualy. The interest to use LibreOffice Base is to build > rapidedly a simple database interface... > A lot of the 'how to' pages I find for libreoffice/python start with an example of running libreoffice in a mode that allows an external python application to interact with it. However you can also use python code from within the libreoffice application, through the macro support. When you do that then you can setup your listeners on many things, like documents or forms, just as easily using python as basic. Dialog boxes, as you note, is not one of them. Yes you have to set that up in your python script when you prep to instantiate the dialog and if you want to use the basic IDE dialog editor you have to do a tab bit more in python than basic. > > I know, if you use Python or Java you are connected with Uno. But I know > also there is some complexity with typing variables between Uno or > Java/Python scripts ... And then, I know also Python is using some C++ > interfaces,by memory for event mangement Uno is C++ also, isn't it ? > I would say, think of uno as a specification for an API and the uno objects which service requests through the api could be written in more then c++. (but IIRC, it has some c++ ish quirks) I think a python/libreoffice cookbook would be a great idea, btw. Best wishes, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On 2018-07-09 14:21, Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:01:37 + (UTC), Andrew Pitonyak wrote: On 2018-07-09 13:25, Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: > You can make; macros, functions of Calc (full integrated in function > wizard), extensions and new UNO components. This last part is very important for more serious programs. For certain serious integration, Basic fails, but it sounds like Python would be suitable. Of course, if you are asking what language to learn, you are not likely to write something so difficult, but, the fact that you can do it makes it easier. ok, I will write the firs very simple new UNO component, and I will documented it... Please, be merciful to my English Awesome! Also, your English is very understandable. the most important thing! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:01:37 + (UTC), Andrew Pitonyak wrote: > On 2018-07-09 13:25, Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: > > > You can make; macros, functions of Calc (full integrated in function > > wizard), extensions and new UNO components. > > This last part is very important for more serious programs. For certain > serious integration, Basic fails, but it sounds like Python would be > suitable. Of course, if you are asking what language to learn, you are > not likely to write something so difficult, but, the fact that you can > do it makes it easier. > ok, I will write the firs very simple new UNO component, and I will documented it... Please, be merciful to my English -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On 2018-07-09 13:25, Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: You can make; macros, functions of Calc (full integrated in function wizard), extensions and new UNO components. This last part is very important for more serious programs. For certain serious integration, Basic fails, but it sounds like Python would be suitable. Of course, if you are asking what language to learn, you are not likely to write something so difficult, but, the fact that you can do it makes it easier. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:20:49 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > > > @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better to > start with something else first to ease into it all? > All languages have pros and contra, but the advantages of Python are very big more than it you disadvantageous. For example, the indentation in code, that have effect in the execution, for some users it's a problem, for me it's a virtue. The majority modern IDEs, help you with this. Basic, maybe it's perfect for you, depend what you needed. But, Python is so much funny... :) You can make; macros, functions of Calc (full integrated in function wizard), extensions and new UNO components. With some precautions, Python is perfectly portable. Is possible insert code Python into documents ODF. The short curve for learn Python, it's more short with our help. If you or others are interested, we can continuity the wiki document for Python macros. [1] Best regards [1]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Guide -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Disclaimer: I have only used Python once to to talk to LO. In fact, I work pretty hard to write all of my "macros" in Basic because support is very consistent across platforms. I cannot comment directly on Python, but, in Basic, I do not need to worry about which interface handles which calls, that level of detail is handled for free. If I decided to not use Basic, I would evaluate which other language has the best integration, and, I cannot comment on that since I rarely leave Basic. I looked at Python because there was an issue with the Python version for a macro that someone wrote and they were having trouble with integration. My Primary complaint about Python is that the block structure is directly related to the spacing and I have had that messed with as I moved between machines and operating system. I do not expect that to be a problem if you do not move between machines and if you have full control over the editor that use in terms of how it is configured... And if you are not pasting code that others have written or from web sites. All of those issues have caused me issues all related to how Python interprets blocks. When I write code in my Python specific editor and I stay on one machine, and I do not integrate code from other places, I have no problems with it. I should note that I work with some people who feel that they must solve every problem with Python. As for your first language, I do not see a problem with using Python, but I also do not see a problem using Basic. Much depends on your end goal. Especially if you limit external dependencies, Python should run unchanged on most machines with a few caveats. Why do you want to program? More specifically, what do you want to produce? What type of programs do you want to write? (GUI, command line, control LO, etc...) How portable must your code be? If you want to write a GUI and it will only run on Windows, I think that Visual Studio has a decent environment for development. I spend way more time writing Java and C++ these days, which means that I have not been using Visual Studio lately. On 2018-07-09 6:20, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) @ Mauricio: Wow!!! That was very eloquent! :)) Thanks :) @ Gordon: Sorry! I had a go with Pascal but got distracted and didn't get very far. It looked a LOT more elegant but i was entrenched in using Basic at the time and couldn't handle the back to basics at that point in time. @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better to start with something else first to ease into it all? I'm kinda playing around with Scratch a bit and kinda learning Python but at a very relaxed pace. Both seem quite good fun now :) Regards from a Tom :) On 9 July 2018 at 06:19, gordon cooper wrote: GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo. When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a Basic program would soon become an unstructured mess of GoTo's and a hassle to debug. One of our Pascal lecturers was very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, or to even talk about it in his presence. Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory, Gordon. On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote: On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to port software between the various systems that were available. Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo. Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some variants don't have GoTo. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un subscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
I think there is a problem with python: nomadism ! If I want to use my USB key with Base connecting to HSQLDB I need to install LibreOffice/OpenOffice into the PC, then JAVA, Then HSQLDB ... then Python ! It's a lot. I would like to use nn install system at work because admin installed LibreOffice and Java but not Python ... So may be for me java would be better than python in this context. What I love with Basic programmation : all it's embeded with my Base application ! *** Do you know a good book for LibreOffice/OpenOffice/UNO Java/Python programmation ? *** What about UNO API if I use Python/Java ? Is there inline documentation ? What about events management if I'm using event catch into extern application ? With basic I can open a simple dialog box to connect events to catch function, but with extern program I will need to register manualy. The interest to use LibreOffice Base is to build rapidedly a simple database interface... I know, if you use Python or Java you are connected with Uno. But I know also there is some complexity with typing variables between Uno or Java/Python scripts ... And then, I know also Python is using some C++ interfaces,by memory for event mangement Uno is C++ also, isn't it ? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On 09/07/18 05:19 AM, gordon cooper wrote: > GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo. There is a Python implementation that includes GoTo! > One of our Pascal lecturers was very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, > or to even talk about it My Pascal instructor was of the mind that the only two control structures needed were: * GoTo; * Repeat Until; That makes for some very messy code. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
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On 18-07-09 11:20:49, Tom Davies wrote: @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better to start with something else first to ease into it all? Python is great. Quite easy to get into, but capable enough that you can really get stuff done. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Hi :) @ Mauricio: Wow!!! That was very eloquent! :)) Thanks :) @ Gordon: Sorry! I had a go with Pascal but got distracted and didn't get very far. It looked a LOT more elegant but i was entrenched in using Basic at the time and couldn't handle the back to basics at that point in time. @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better to start with something else first to ease into it all? I'm kinda playing around with Scratch a bit and kinda learning Python but at a very relaxed pace. Both seem quite good fun now :) Regards from a Tom :) On 9 July 2018 at 06:19, gordon cooper wrote: > GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo. > > When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a > Basic program would soon become an unstructured mess of > GoTo's and a hassle to debug. One of our Pascal lecturers was > very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, or to even talk about it > in his presence. > > Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory, > Gordon. > > > > On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote: > >> On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> >> I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy >>> >> There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the >> vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was >> called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to >> port software between the various systems that were available. >> >> Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo. >> Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some >> variants don't have GoTo. >> >> jonathon >> >> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un > subscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo. When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a Basic program would soon become an unstructured mess of GoTo's and a hassle to debug. One of our Pascal lecturers was very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, or to even talk about it in his presence. Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory, Gordon. On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote: On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to port software between the various systems that were available. Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo. Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some variants don't have GoTo. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to port software between the various systems that were available. Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo. Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some variants don't have GoTo. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 15:30:18 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: > Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick > > I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie. > error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case > and the example code you supplied there) > > Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice. > > Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with > Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension. > > Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI > (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I > look at replacing. > > Thanks and best wishes, > > Hi... I'm sorry, my english is very basic, but I will try tell you my experience. I developed Basic for many years, in Excel, and Calc. I writed a book (in spanish) of more 500 pages for develop macros in OpenOffice/Libre with Basic. But... I knowed Python... and all changed. I thing, Python is better than Basic in all; it learn easyly, extensive core, libraries of third, very good documentation, and the most important, a great comunity. If you want learn ans use Basic, not problem, but where Basic end, Python just beginning Best regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Hi :) Ahh, yes. Here is often good for anything. Macros are definitely for this mailing list. I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy back then. I gather it's become over-complicated now so i'm starting again from Scratch and then Python - or kinda both at the same time(ish). It seems more robust and more standardised. Regards from a Tom :) On 8 July 2018 at 21:06, Drew Jensen wrote: > Howdy Tom, > > Well, I was specifically asking Mauricio, after looking over the example > basic code particularly, I am interested in his thoughts. > > As for this being the user mailing list, macros are user level question I > would think, Basic is assumed usually, but Python is just as valid and > about as easily done these only to drop in a couple of extensions. Maybe > it is a power user question, but still a user question, yes? > > However, I suppose your'e right when moving on to talking about generating > extension packages from macros libraries (basic or python). > > Thanks > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:50 PM Tom Davies wrote: > > > Hi :) > > I think the Devs Mailing list or IPA, IIRC or whatever is prolly better > at > > giving a good answer to that. They may be annoyed as it's prolly not > what > > they usually post to there. Maybe it's best to try the QA Team? > > > > There used to be a "mentoring" program to help people start to code for > > LibreOffice. > > > > I think LibreOffice is mainly Python but with significant chunks of C, > C++ > > and C# and smaller amounts of other code. I think pretty much all the > Java > > has been over-written in Python now. > > > > There may be some devs on this mailinglist who can answer you but it > > doesn't hurt to have other places to ask too. Actually i thought you > were > > one of our devs but there we go. I know you have done a lot for LO. > > Good luck and regards from > > a Tom :) > > > > > > > > > > On 8 July 2018 at 20:30, Drew Jensen wrote: > > > >> Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick > >> > >> I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? > (ie. > >> error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use > case > >> and the example code you supplied there) > >> > >> Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in > LibreOffice. > >> > >> Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to > with > >> Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension. > >> > >> Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI > >> (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you > suggest I > >> look at replacing. > >> > >> Thanks and best wishes, > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin < > patrick.ge...@free.fr > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was > >> thinking > >> > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next > >> > > version ... > >> > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model > >> > > complient next day ? > >> > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for > >> OpenOffice/LibreOffice > >> > > futur ? > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; > learn > >> > and used Python with LibreOffice > >> > > >> > > >> > Best regards > >> > -- > >> > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >> > Problems? > >> > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > >> > Posting guidelines + more: > >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >> > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >> > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >> Problems? > >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ > Netiquette > >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >> > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Howdy Tom, Well, I was specifically asking Mauricio, after looking over the example basic code particularly, I am interested in his thoughts. As for this being the user mailing list, macros are user level question I would think, Basic is assumed usually, but Python is just as valid and about as easily done these only to drop in a couple of extensions. Maybe it is a power user question, but still a user question, yes? However, I suppose your'e right when moving on to talking about generating extension packages from macros libraries (basic or python). Thanks On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:50 PM Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I think the Devs Mailing list or IPA, IIRC or whatever is prolly better at > giving a good answer to that. They may be annoyed as it's prolly not what > they usually post to there. Maybe it's best to try the QA Team? > > There used to be a "mentoring" program to help people start to code for > LibreOffice. > > I think LibreOffice is mainly Python but with significant chunks of C, C++ > and C# and smaller amounts of other code. I think pretty much all the Java > has been over-written in Python now. > > There may be some devs on this mailinglist who can answer you but it > doesn't hurt to have other places to ask too. Actually i thought you were > one of our devs but there we go. I know you have done a lot for LO. > Good luck and regards from > a Tom :) > > > > > On 8 July 2018 at 20:30, Drew Jensen wrote: > >> Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick >> >> I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie. >> error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case >> and the example code you supplied there) >> >> Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice. >> >> Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with >> Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension. >> >> Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI >> (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I >> look at replacing. >> >> Thanks and best wishes, >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin >> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin > > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was >> thinking >> > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next >> > > version ... >> > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model >> > > complient next day ? >> > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for >> OpenOffice/LibreOffice >> > > futur ? >> > > >> > >> > >> > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; learn >> > and used Python with LibreOffice >> > >> > >> > Best regards >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> > Problems? >> > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> > Posting guidelines + more: >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Hi :) I think the Devs Mailing list or IPA, IIRC or whatever is prolly better at giving a good answer to that. They may be annoyed as it's prolly not what they usually post to there. Maybe it's best to try the QA Team? There used to be a "mentoring" program to help people start to code for LibreOffice. I think LibreOffice is mainly Python but with significant chunks of C, C++ and C# and smaller amounts of other code. I think pretty much all the Java has been over-written in Python now. There may be some devs on this mailinglist who can answer you but it doesn't hurt to have other places to ask too. Actually i thought you were one of our devs but there we go. I know you have done a lot for LO. Good luck and regards from a Tom :) On 8 July 2018 at 20:30, Drew Jensen wrote: > Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick > > I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie. > error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case > and the example code you supplied there) > > Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice. > > Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with > Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension. > > Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI > (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I > look at replacing. > > Thanks and best wishes, > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin > wrote: > > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin > > wrote: > > > > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was > thinking > > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next > > > version ... > > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model > > > complient next day ? > > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for > OpenOffice/LibreOffice > > > futur ? > > > > > > > > > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; learn > > and used Python with LibreOffice > > > > > > Best regards > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? > > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ > Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie. error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case and the example code you supplied there) Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice. Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension. Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I look at replacing. Thanks and best wishes, On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin > wrote: > > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was thinking > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next > > version ... > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model > > complient next day ? > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for OpenOffice/LibreOffice > > futur ? > > > > > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; learn > and used Python with LibreOffice > > > Best regards > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin wrote: > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was thinking > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next > version ... > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model > complient next day ? > - Or do you think python will be a better way for OpenOffice/LibreOffice > futur ? > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend; learn and used Python with LibreOffice Best regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was thinking of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next version ... - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model complient next day ? - Or do you think python will be a better way for OpenOffice/LibreOffice futur ? Le 07/07/2018 à 21:37, Mauricio Baeza Servin a écrit : On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 20:04:07 +0200, Patrick Gelin wrote: Hi, 1. I'm using pseudo object style when I'm coding with Basic. What about putting my pseudo basic objects into library ? It looks like I couldn't use new to create object if I put them into a library ... 2. Can I access global variable into a librarie ? 3. Do you know a trik to simulate reference like "This" pointer ? 4. What about objects with nexts LibreOffice/OpenOffice versions ? Do I need to use python next ? Patrick Hi... In this example: https://docs.empresalibre.net/f/0bd013d0edcc44f79456/?dl=1 You can see an example how to used classess in Basic, included simulate "self" (This) Best regards -- M Patrick GELIN 181 roue d'Arzay Lieu dit "Saint Martin" 38440 Lieudieu 06 80 32 87 18 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 20:04:07 +0200, Patrick Gelin wrote: > Hi, > > 1. I'm using pseudo object style when I'm coding with Basic. What about > putting my pseudo basic objects into library ? It looks like I couldn't > use new to create object if I put them into a library ... > > 2. Can I access global variable into a librarie ? > > 3. Do you know a trik to simulate reference like "This" pointer ? > > 4. What about objects with nexts LibreOffice/OpenOffice versions ? Do I > need to use python next ? > > Patrick > Hi... In this example: https://docs.empresalibre.net/f/0bd013d0edcc44f79456/?dl=1 You can see an example how to used classess in Basic, included simulate "self" (This) Best regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Hi Patrick, Patrick Gelin schrieb am 07-Jul-18 um 20:04: Hi, 1. I'm using pseudo object style when I'm coding with Basic. Please add an code example of this "pseudo object style". Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
