subject:"Middle button emulation \-"

On 11/28/16 06:39, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Ok, I understand that. I made the changes to 10-evdev.conf as was 
> suggestedmore than a
> year ago, assumed that just had to be.
>
> So in the present case /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d should survive updates, but how 
> would I
> determine the sequence in which the files are parsed? It looks to me like 
> "conf.d" might
> be something to look for? /N/ext time I will ask ... 

Consult "man 5 xorg.conf" for the gory details of what directories are searched 
under the
various conditions.  :-) :-)

Bottom line, from the man page

   Finally, configuration files will also be  searched  for  in  a  
directory
   reserved for system use.  This is to separate configuration files from 
the
   vendor or 3rd party packages from those of  local  administration.   
These
   files are found in the following directory:

   /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d

Note the phrase "reserved for system use".   :-) :-)

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -


On 11/27/16 16:20, Ed Greshko wrote:

That is why every system service has a location where a user can make changes to
configurations which will not be overwritten by updates.  In this case your 
changes should
be made to a file that you create in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d.  It would also be 
helpful when
making user defined changes that you try to gain an understanding of the 
sequence in which
configuration files are processed.  Configuration files can be located in 
multiple places
and are normally parsed sequentially with the last instance of a given option 
being used.


+

Ok, I understand that. I made the 
changes to 10-evdev.conf as was 
suggestedmore than a year ago, assumed 
that just had to be.


So in the present case 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d should survive 
updates, but how would I determine the 
sequence in which the files are parsed? 
It looks to me like "conf.d" might be 
something to look for? /N/ext time I 
will ask ...



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Re: Middle Button Emulation -

On 11/28/16 00:44, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Yes, after some updates I have had to go back and "fix" 3-button emulation, a 
> bother but
> I am lost without it. Old habits are hard to break, especially
> when they work better than the alternative. 

That is why every system service has a location where a user can make changes to
configurations which will not be overwritten by updates.  In this case your 
changes should
be made to a file that you create in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d.  It would also be 
helpful when
making user defined changes that you try to gain an understanding of the 
sequence in which
configuration files are processed.  Configuration files can be located in 
multiple places
and are normally parsed sequentially with the last instance of a given option 
being used.

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -


On 11/27/16 10:37, Ed Greshko wrote:

2 things to note here.

First, that file is, as noted in the comments contained in the file, for evdev 
based
systems.  The default these days for Fedora is "libinput" not "evdev".  Try not 
to confuse
the 2.

+
I saw a reference to "libinput" but did 
not know how to deal with it so 
continued doing what I had been doing, 
in this case the wrong thing ...


Second, you should avoid making changes to "system" files in places such as 
/usr/share
whatever.  These can get overwritten without your knowledge on updates and 
upgrades and
leave you scratching your head.  In this case the file you tried changing is 
provided by
the package xorg-x11-drv-evdev and should that package get updated or whatever 
it could
change that file and remove whatever changes you made.

+
Yes, after some updates I have had to go 
back and "fix" 3-button emulation, a 
bother but I am lost without it. Old 
habits are hard to break, especially 
when they work better than the alternative.


Thanks for the help,

Bob


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Re: Middle Button Emulation -

On 11/27/16 23:22, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Doing as suggested corrects the problem:
>
> adding a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-3rdbutton.conf with the following 
> content:
>
> Section "InputClass"
>Identifier "middle button"
>MatchIsPointer "on"
>MatchDriver "libinput"
>Option "MiddleEmulation" "on"
> EndSection
>
> Fixes 3 button emulation and I can copy and paste conveniently again, a lot 
> less
> clicking around!

Very good.

>
> First I tried making that change in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 
> but it did
> not work.

2 things to note here. 

First, that file is, as noted in the comments contained in the file, for evdev 
based
systems.  The default these days for Fedora is "libinput" not "evdev".  Try not 
to confuse
the 2.

Second, you should avoid making changes to "system" files in places such as 
/usr/share
whatever.  These can get overwritten without your knowledge on updates and 
upgrades and
leave you scratching your head.  In this case the file you tried changing is 
provided by
the package xorg-x11-drv-evdev and should that package get updated or whatever 
it could
change that file and remove whatever changes you made.

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -


On 11/27/16 09:27, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 11/27/16 08:32, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 11/27/16 18:34, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I'm having troubled setting middle 
button emulation in a new Fedora25 
Workstation/XFCE

installation. first I added:

Section "InputClass"
   Identifier "middle button 
emulation class"

   MatchIsPointer "on"
   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
   Driver "evdev"
 EndSection

to 
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 
as I have done in the past. then my 
notes
led me to "xinput" but I can't make 
that work, dunno the right command ...


I find it hard to work without this 
feature, especially when configuring 
a new install

so it is one of the first things I fix!

What am I doing wrong?

Have a look at
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9973/configuring-mouse-for-rightleft-button-simulating-middle-click-for-copy-paste 



and the very last comment for a 
suggestion which claims to work.



+

Doing as suggested corrects the problem:

adding a file 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-3rdbutton.conf 
with the following content:


Section "InputClass"
   Identifier "middle button"
   MatchIsPointer "on"
   MatchDriver "libinput"
   Option "MiddleEmulation" "on"
EndSection

Fixes 3 button emulation and I can copy 
and paste conveniently again, a lot less 
clicking around!


First I tried making that change in 
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 
but it did not work.


My impression from what I have read is 
that this function is disabled for the 
convenience of game players for whom the 
pressing of both buttons implements 
other functions. I think that's unfair 
if it is so, it should be optional from 
a menu ...


Bob

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -

On 11/27/16 08:32, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 11/27/16 18:34, Bob Goodwin wrote:

I'm having troubled setting middle button emulation in a new Fedora25
Workstation/XFCE
installation. first I added:

Section "InputClass"
Identifier "middle button emulation class"
MatchIsPointer "on"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
Driver "evdev"
EndSection

to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as I have done in the past. then my
notes
led me to "xinput" but I can't make that work, dunno the right command ...

I find it hard to work without this feature, especially when configuring a new
install
so it is one of the first things I fix!

What am I doing wrong?

Have a look at
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9973/configuring-mouse-for-rightleft-button-simulating-middle-click-for-copy-paste

and the very last comment for a suggestion which claims to work.

George in Memphis just jogged my memory,
this is a problem that began with
Fedora-24. I use a Logitech Marble
Mouse, looks like a track ball to me. I
have several with four buttons and one
old one with two buttons. I switched to
the 2-button device to solve the problem
and forgot about it, put nothing in my
notes either ...

Swapping the devices fixes the problem
on the new Fedora-25 installationtoo!

A circuit diagram would be nice but such
stuff is never available for computer
hardware.

So next I will try as suggested on that
page.

Thanks,

Bob

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -



On 11/27/16 18:34, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I'm having troubled setting middle button emulation in a new Fedora25 
> Workstation/XFCE
> installation. first I added:
>
> Section "InputClass"
>   Identifier "middle button emulation class"
>   MatchIsPointer "on"
>   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
>   Driver "evdev"
> EndSection
>
> to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as I have done in the past. then 
> my notes
> led me to "xinput" but I can't make that work, dunno the right command ...
>
> I find it hard to work without this feature, especially when configuring a 
> new install
> so it is one of the first things I fix!
>
> What am I doing wrong?

Have a look at
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9973/configuring-mouse-for-rightleft-button-simulating-middle-click-for-copy-paste

and the very last comment for a suggestion which claims to work.




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Middle Button Emulation -

I'm having troubled setting middle 
button emulation in a new Fedora25 
Workstation/XFCE installation. first I 
added:


Section "InputClass"
  Identifier "middle button 
emulation class"

  MatchIsPointer "on"
  Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
  Driver "evdev"
EndSection

to 
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 
as I have done in the past. then my 
notes led me to "xinput" but I can't 
make that work, dunno the right command ...


I find it hard to work without this 
feature, especially when configuring a 
new install so it is one of the first 
things I fix!


What am I doing wrong?

Bob

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Re: Middle button emulation -

2016-10-17 Thread Ed Greshko



On 10/17/16 19:53, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Thanks for your help, 

You're welcome.

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Re: Middle button emulation -

2016-10-17 Thread Bob Goodwin




On 10/17/2016 03:48 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/16/16 21:10, Ed Greshko wrote:

Does the output of the log change if you move the line

That's where I stand now, still confused, may need a new mother board,

Bob


+

And 3-button emulation works here in F-25 with the track ball connected 
at the front panel USB port. I've been plagued with a hardware problem 
all along! I did not suspect nor even consider that possibility.


I'll look into this later.

Thanks for your help,

Bob

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Re: Middle button emulation -

2016-10-17 Thread Bob Goodwin


On 10/16/16 21:10, Ed Greshko wrote:

Does the output of the log change if you move the line

Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"

Into the top entry "catchall" and remove what you've edited in that file?

+
I will try that next, just having coffee, facing an early appointment at 
the

VA low vision clinic which, with travel, will take up much of my day.


FWIW, I don't think you should be editing the file you are as user changes 
really should
go into their own file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d.  The file at 
/usr/share/X11.. could
get overwritten when an update occurs.

+
Yes I always have to make the same change after some updates, normally 
it's a simple thing. I've been doing that for several years, since 
whenever they removed the feature. As I said I consider it essential, 
and I have two other F24 computers in which it works.


This problem began after I accidentally deleted my F24 system while 
making an F25-b installer on a thumb drive via Live Creator, or whatever 
it's called, that usually worked also but seemed never to be able to 
find the thumb drive target. I gave up and put F24 Live on a DVD using 
K3B and did this install on a new hard drive. Fortunately I still had an 
old F22 on another drive and could work from that.


Also I just booted this box to Gnome instead of xfce to cover another 
base, 3-button copy/paste did not work there.


AHA! I plugged in another old track ball and 3-button copy/paste works 
here in Thunderbird. In fact I now have two of the Logitech devices 
plugged into USB ports, only the one on the front panel works as expected.


It looks like I have a new avenue to investigate ... Perhaps a main 
board problem? There was the Live Creator problem and I noticed that the 
USB-3 port on the back panel has not been working recently, only a minor 
thing and I pushed that aside. Both track balls are plugged into USB-2 
ports, and I made no changes in that arrangement until just adding the 
second device ...


That's where I stand now, still confused, may need a new mother board,

Bob


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Re: Middle button emulation -



On 10/17/16 08:41, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 10/16/16 20:13, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> It still will not copy/paste with "Emulate3Buttons". When log in/out did 
>>> not help I
>>> >rebooted ...
>>> >
>>> >As part of an earlier effort I changed to "lightdm" if that matters? That 
>>> >never caused a
>>> >problem before ...
>>> >
>> What is the log output now?  The Desktop won't matter as this is initialized 
>> when Xorg is
>> started.
> +
>
> [root@localhost bobg]# grep evdev /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> [73.809] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
> [73.908] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
> [73.911] (**) Logitech USB Trackball: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer 
> catchall"
> [73.914] (**)   USB Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
> catchall"
> [73.917] (**)   USB Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
> catchall"
>
>

Does the output of the log change if you move the line

Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"

Into the top entry "catchall" and remove what you've edited in that file?

FWIW, I don't think you should be editing the file you are as user changes 
really should
go into their own file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d.  The file at 
/usr/share/X11.. could
get overwritten when an update occurs.



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On 10/16/16 20:13, Ed Greshko wrote:

It still will not copy/paste with "Emulate3Buttons". When log in/out did not 
help I
>rebooted ...
>
>As part of an earlier effort I changed to "lightdm" if that matters? That 
never caused a
>problem before ...
>

What is the log output now?  The Desktop won't matter as this is initialized 
when Xorg is
started.

+

[root@localhost bobg]# grep evdev /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[73.809] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"
[73.908] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"
[73.911] (**) Logitech USB Trackball: Applying InputClass "evdev 
pointer catchall"
[73.914] (**)   USB Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"
[73.917] (**)   USB Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"



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On 10/17/16 07:41, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 10/16/16 19:02, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>> On 10/17/16 05:12, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>>> Section "InputClass"
>>>Identifier "middle button emulation class"
>>>MatchIsPointer "on"
>>>Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
>>>Driver "evdev"
>>> EndSection
>> You may also want to try changing the above to...
>>
>> Section "InputClass"
>>Identifier "middle button emulation class"
>>MatchIsPointer "on"
>>    MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
>>Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
>>Driver "evdev"
>> EndSection
>>
> +
>
> Now it is:
>
>
> Section "InputClass"
>   Identifier "middle button emulation class"
>   MatchIsPointer "on"
>   MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
>   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
>   Driver "evdev"
> EndSection
>
> It still will not copy/paste with "Emulate3Buttons". When log in/out did not 
> help I
> rebooted ...
>
> As part of an earlier effort I changed to "lightdm" if that matters? That 
> never caused a
> problem before ...
>

What is the log output now?  The Desktop won't matter as this is initialized 
when Xorg is
started.



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On 10/16/16 19:02, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 10/17/16 05:12, Bob Goodwin wrote:

Section "InputClass"
   Identifier "middle button emulation class"
   MatchIsPointer "on"
   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
   Driver "evdev"
EndSection

You may also want to try changing the above to...

Section "InputClass"
   Identifier "middle button emulation class"
   MatchIsPointer "on"
   MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
   Driver "evdev"
EndSection


+

Now it is:


Section "InputClass"
  Identifier "middle button emulation class"
  MatchIsPointer "on"
  MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
  Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
  Driver "evdev"
EndSection

It still will not copy/paste with "Emulate3Buttons". When log in/out did 
not help I rebooted ...


As part of an earlier effort I changed to "lightdm" if that matters? 
That never caused a problem before ...


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On 10/17/16 05:12, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Section "InputClass"
>   Identifier "middle button emulation class"
>   MatchIsPointer "on"
>   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
>   Driver "evdev"
> EndSection 

You may also want to try changing the above to...

Section "InputClass"
  Identifier "middle button emulation class"
  MatchIsPointer "on"
  MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
  Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
  Driver "evdev"
EndSection

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On 10/17/16 05:12, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 10/16/16 16:16, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> OK...
>>
>> Then check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if it is being loaded.
>>
>> grep evdev Xorg.0.log   should be sufficient
> +
> [bobg@localhost ~]$ grep evdev /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> [61.657] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
> [61.755] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
> [61.758] (**) Logitech USB Trackball: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer 
> catchall"
> [61.761] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
> [61.761] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
> [61.762] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> [61.762] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Logitech USB Trackball'
> [61.762] (**) evdev: Logitech USB Trackball: Device: "/dev/input/mouse0"
> [61.762] (EE) evdev: Logitech USB Trackball: Unable to query fd: 
> Inappropriate ioctl
> for device
> [61.766] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
> [61.767] (**)   USB Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
> catchall"
> [61.771] (**)   USB Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
> catchall"
>
>
> This is the whole file. It looks to me like the section I added at the bottom 
> is not
> being accepted?

This

61.762] (EE) evdev: Logitech USB Trackball: Unable to query fd: Inappropriate 
ioctl for
device

EE=Error

Seems to indicate a problem.  Not sure whatat 6AM.  :-)

Have you tried a different mouse and/or USB port?



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On 10/16/16 16:16, Ed Greshko wrote:

OK...

Then check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if it is being loaded.

grep evdev Xorg.0.log   should be sufficient

+
[bobg@localhost ~]$ grep evdev /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[61.657] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"
[61.755] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"
[61.758] (**) Logitech USB Trackball: Applying InputClass "evdev 
pointer catchall"

[61.761] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
[61.761] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
[61.762] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[61.762] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Logitech USB Trackball'
[61.762] (**) evdev: Logitech USB Trackball: Device: "/dev/input/mouse0"
[61.762] (EE) evdev: Logitech USB Trackball: Unable to query fd: 
Inappropriate ioctl for device

[61.766] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[61.767] (**)   USB Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"
[61.771] (**)   USB Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"



This is the whole file. It looks to me like the section I added at the 
bottom is not being accepted?


[bobg@localhost ~]$ cat /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
#
# Catch-all evdev loader for udev-based systems
# We don't simply match on any device since that also adds accelerometers
# and other devices that we don't really want to use. The list below
# matches everything but joysticks.

Section "InputClass"
Identifier "evdev pointer catchall"
MatchIsPointer "on"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Driver "evdev"
EndSection

Section "InputClass"
Identifier "evdev keyboard catchall"
MatchIsKeyboard "on"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Driver "evdev"
EndSection

Section "InputClass"
Identifier "evdev touchpad catchall"
MatchIsTouchpad "on"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Driver "evdev"
EndSection

Section "InputClass"
Identifier "evdev tablet catchall"
MatchIsTablet "on"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Driver "evdev"
EndSection

Section "InputClass"
Identifier "evdev touchscreen catchall"
MatchIsTouchscreen "on"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Driver "evdev"
EndSection

Section "InputClass"
  Identifier "middle button emulation class"
  MatchIsPointer "on"
  Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
  Driver "evdev"
EndSection


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On 10/16/16 18:05, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>
>
> On 10/16/16 05:49, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> On box7 this works as expected, on this new installation in box10 it does 
>>> not.
>>> >
>>> >Why not and how do I fix the problem?
>>> >
>>> >Any help appreciated,
>>> >
>> I suppose the first question is "Do you have xorg-x11-drv-evdev installed on 
>> the new
>> system?".
> +
>
> It looks like it is there:
>
> [root@localhost bobg]# dnf install xorg-x11-drv-evdev
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:21:42 ago on Sun Oct 16 05:36:42 2016.
> Package xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.10.3-1.fc24.x86_64 is already installed, 
> skipping.
> Dependencies resolved.
> Nothing to do.
> Complete!
>
>

OK...

Then check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if it is being loaded.

grep evdev Xorg.0.log   should be sufficient


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Re: Middle button emulation -

On 10/16/16 05:49, Ed Greshko wrote:

On box7 this works as expected, on this new installation in box10 it does not.
>
>Why not and how do I fix the problem?
>
>Any help appreciated,
>

I suppose the first question is "Do you have xorg-x11-drv-evdev installed on 
the new
system?".

+

It looks like it is there:

[root@localhost bobg]# dnf install xorg-x11-drv-evdev
Last metadata expiration check: 0:21:42 ago on Sun Oct 16 05:36:42 2016.
Package xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.10.3-1.fc24.x86_64 is already installed, 
skipping.

Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!

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Re: Middle button emulation -



On 10/16/16 16:10, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>
> 3 button emulation provides the ultimate in convenience for copy/paste, 
> highlight and
> one click and you're done! I do not understand why fedora makes it so 
> difficult to have
> this feature?
>
> I have two similar computers both running Fedora 24, this one a new 
> installation. On
> both I have added the following to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf:
>
> Section "InputClass"
>   Identifier "middle button emulation class"
>   MatchIsPointer "on"
>   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
>   Driver "evdev"
> EndSection
>
> On box7 this works as expected, on this new installation in box10 it does not.
>
> Why not and how do I fix the problem?
>
> Any help appreciated,
>

I suppose the first question is "Do you have xorg-x11-drv-evdev installed on 
the new
system?". 


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