Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Daniel Bareiro]

On 12/04/16 22:48, "MicTieMix" (mictie...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi Daniel,

Hi, Michael.

> If you go to Sogo/calendar and right-cloick on the calendar, it will you show 
> you 'Links to this Calendar'
> Just use the CalDav-URL in  CalDavSynchronizer.

Great. I haven't here available at this time any installation to test
it, but I guess for tasks and address books should be something similar.

Thanks for your reply.


Kind regards,
Daniel



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RE: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

["MicTieMix"]

Hi Daniel,
If you go to Sogo/calendar and right-cloick on the calendar, it will you show 
you 'Links to this Calendar'
Just use the CalDav-URL in  CalDavSynchronizer.
Rgds
Michael

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On 11/04/16 13:41, "MicTieMix" (mictie...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi Daniel,

Hi, MicTieMix.

> No, just install on PC, I am using it with Outlook 2013 / 64bit on 
> Win10 Straight forward, no hassles ...

So it is not necessary to make any changes to the SOGo configuration files for 
CalDAV/CarDAV synchronization works?

I was doing some research here and it seems that there are users using Outlook 
2003 and 2007 (surprise me that they use so Precambrian versions). I had read 
the plugin is compatible with Outlook 2007+. Maybe it could be ok anyway; I can 
tell these users they have to update.

I'll give it a try and let you know.

Thanks for your reply.


Kind regards,
Daniel


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Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Steve Ankeny]

On 04/12/2016 04:17 PM, Daniel Bareiro (daniel-lis...@gmx.net) wrote:

Hi, Steve.

On 11/04/16 12:54, Steve Ankeny (stev...@cinergymetro.net) wrote:


Thank you for confirming and the references. I appreciate it. I'll see
how I will do this implementation and will consult you any questions
that arise.

Thanks for your time.

no problem, Daniel

I am not an expert!  However, I've struggled with OpenChange, and I've
come to the conclusion the better way for my users is to use EAS with
Outlook 2013, and like you, I think the CalDav Synchronizer looks great.

According to what I was seeing in the documentation that you mentioned,
the installation seems more complex and (correct me if I'm wrong,
please) seems necessarily to requires LDAP. I have no experience with
LDAP, so I probably have to fight with this installation in the case of
do it for the first time.


Samba uses the LDAP protocol, so you use Samba instead of LDAP

IF you wish to use OpenChange, you must use the Inverse package, which 
is Samba 4.1.18, because OpenChange is compiled to work with that 
version ONLY (there's an unconfirmed rumor to the contrary)


OpenChange is required for the older versions of Outlook (2003, 2007, 2010)

However, IF you are willing to use Outlook 2013 (and above), you do not 
need OpenChange.


From what Rowland Penny tells us in another thread, Samba 4.1.18 has 
security issues and requires patching.  Who's Rowland Penny?  He's a 
moderator on the Samba mailing list which you can review here


https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba

So, I would recommend following the details of installing the latest 
Samba from their wiki


https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_AD_DC_HOWTO

On the other hand, having a working mail server (Dovecot/Postfix), Samba 
for user authentication, you can use SOGo to your heart's content for 
calendar, contacts, address books, etc. by using the EAS/EAW protocols.


Start with a mail server, add apache and mysql, then Samba, create users 
and install SOGo


That's the general progression you need to follow.  Most of it is in the 
documentation.



In the installation I did (only) for Outlook 2013 and Android clients, I
installed "sogo" and "sogo-activesync" packages (I am struck that Debian
Jessie has no the "sogo-activesync" package) in Ubuntu from SOGo
repositories. I also installed MySQL to create a database with users for
SOGo. Here these clients was connected using ActiveSync smoothly.


IF you're looking for Debian SOGo packages, use the Inverse repositories.

You can use MySQL for your user database, just follow the instructions 
for SQL authentication.  However, you can also migrate those users to 
Samba by using "samba-tool" to create users in the Samba LDAP DB


Once you login to SOGo via the web interface, it will populate the mysql 
database.



If I understood correctly, for users with older versions of Outlook who
want to use ActiveSync, instead of having SOGo users in a MySQL database
these must be on a LDAP directory, right?

While on this way SOGo contemplates using very old versions of Outlook
living with other newer of Outlook and all homogeneously using
ActiveSync, I think it would be the only case where SOGo worth
installing. Because if we will install SOGo for Outlook clients
connecting via CalDAV/CarDAV, we could use another web application as
the case of Horde Groupware.


That will help with Address Books and Contacts, but it will not help
with receiving Mail in Outlook.

When I had configured Outlook 2013 to use ActiveSync, I remember that it
showed two mail boxes: one for the IMAP connection and another for
synchronization with ActiveSync. This could be confusing for users,
especially because that environment had an IMAP server without the
capabilities necessary to synchronize emails using ActiveSync. So in a
mailbox the users were seeing all the emails obtained using IMAP and the
other mailbox looked empty.


I'm unsure of this (no experience with it)

I always use IMAP (but I also use Thunderbird for most of my mail needs)

I only have a few Outlook clients, and they use IMAP  It's the calendar 
they need.





That's where using EAS should work.  I'm on the same page as you as far
as not using OpenChange.  My users are long time Thunderbird users, so
using MAPI for Mail made sense, but "some" users need Outlook.

So, for those few users, I believe EAS should do the job.
Dovecot/Postfix, SOGo, Samba, no OpenChange

Yes, it is an option. Although the case of using CalDAV/CarDAV also
avoids confusion due to the double mailbox that a user might have in
Outlook if they use IMAP and ActiveSync simultaneously.


Kind regards,
Daniel




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Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Steve.

On 11/04/16 12:54, Steve Ankeny (stev...@cinergymetro.net) wrote:

>> Thank you for confirming and the references. I appreciate it. I'll see
>> how I will do this implementation and will consult you any questions
>> that arise.
>>
>> Thanks for your time.

> no problem, Daniel
> 
> I am not an expert!  However, I've struggled with OpenChange, and I've
> come to the conclusion the better way for my users is to use EAS with
> Outlook 2013, and like you, I think the CalDav Synchronizer looks great.

According to what I was seeing in the documentation that you mentioned,
the installation seems more complex and (correct me if I'm wrong,
please) seems necessarily to requires LDAP. I have no experience with
LDAP, so I probably have to fight with this installation in the case of
do it for the first time.

In the installation I did (only) for Outlook 2013 and Android clients, I
installed "sogo" and "sogo-activesync" packages (I am struck that Debian
Jessie has no the "sogo-activesync" package) in Ubuntu from SOGo
repositories. I also installed MySQL to create a database with users for
SOGo. Here these clients was connected using ActiveSync smoothly.

If I understood correctly, for users with older versions of Outlook who
want to use ActiveSync, instead of having SOGo users in a MySQL database
these must be on a LDAP directory, right?

While on this way SOGo contemplates using very old versions of Outlook
living with other newer of Outlook and all homogeneously using
ActiveSync, I think it would be the only case where SOGo worth
installing. Because if we will install SOGo for Outlook clients
connecting via CalDAV/CarDAV, we could use another web application as
the case of Horde Groupware.

> That will help with Address Books and Contacts, but it will not help
> with receiving Mail in Outlook.

When I had configured Outlook 2013 to use ActiveSync, I remember that it
showed two mail boxes: one for the IMAP connection and another for
synchronization with ActiveSync. This could be confusing for users,
especially because that environment had an IMAP server without the
capabilities necessary to synchronize emails using ActiveSync. So in a
mailbox the users were seeing all the emails obtained using IMAP and the
other mailbox looked empty.

> That's where using EAS should work.  I'm on the same page as you as far
> as not using OpenChange.  My users are long time Thunderbird users, so
> using MAPI for Mail made sense, but "some" users need Outlook.
> 
> So, for those few users, I believe EAS should do the job.
> Dovecot/Postfix, SOGo, Samba, no OpenChange

Yes, it is an option. Although the case of using CalDAV/CarDAV also
avoids confusion due to the double mailbox that a user might have in
Outlook if they use IMAP and ActiveSync simultaneously.


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Daniel Bareiro]

On 11/04/16 13:41, "MicTieMix" (mictie...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi Daniel,

Hi, MicTieMix.

> No, just install on PC, I am using it with Outlook 2013 / 64bit on Win10
> Straight forward, no hassles ...

So it is not necessary to make any changes to the SOGo configuration
files for CalDAV/CarDAV synchronization works?

I was doing some research here and it seems that there are users using
Outlook 2003 and 2007 (surprise me that they use so Precambrian
versions). I had read the plugin is compatible with Outlook 2007+. Maybe
it could be ok anyway; I can tell these users they have to update.

I'll give it a try and let you know.

Thanks for your reply.


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Steve Ankeny]

On 04/11/2016 12:47 PM, "MicTieMix" (mictie...@gmail.com) wrote:

You don't need EAS for Mail, just use IMAP ...
(but maybe I am missing something ..)


I'm sure you're right!


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RE: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

["MicTieMix"]

Hi Daniel,
No, just install on PC, I am using it with Outlook 2013 / 64bit on Win10
Straight forward, no hassles ...
Rgds


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Sent: Monday, 11 April 2016 22:32
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Subject: Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

Hi, MicTieMix.

On 10/04/16 05:19, "MicTieMix" (mictie...@gmail.com) wrote:

> If you don’t mind to install a little helper ‘CalDav Synchronizer’ 
> from
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/outlookcaldavsynchronizer/) you don’t 
> need OpenChange or ActiveSync.
> 
> I am using this for several weeks, it’s working fine and is actively 
> maintained and updated

Thanks for the reply and suggestion. Very interesting alternative. I will 
consider it.

Do we need to configure something extra for get enabled CalDAV/CarDAV in SOGo?


Kind regards,
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RE: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

["MicTieMix"]

You don't need EAS for Mail, just use IMAP ...
(but maybe I am missing something ..)

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Ankeny
Sent: Monday, 11 April 2016 23:54
To: users@sogo.nu
Subject: Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

On 04/11/2016 10:51 AM, Daniel Bareiro (daniel-lis...@gmx.net) wrote:
> Hi, Steve.
>
> On 09/04/16 11:37, Steve Ankeny (stev...@cinergymetro.net) wrote:
>
>> Review pg 3, 51-58 of the SOGo Installation and Configuration Guide 
>> <http://sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGoInstallationGuide.pdf> (PDF)
>>
>> Generally, you will find that Outlook 2010, and below, require 
>> OpenChange for use with the "Outlook Anywhere" protocol, while 
>> Outlook
>> 2013 can be used without OpenChange with the Enterprise ActiveSync protocol.
>>
>> Note: IF you need OpenChange, you MUST install the Inverse version of 
>> Samba 4.1.18
>>
>> Follow the Native Microsoft Outlook Configuration Guide 
>> <http://sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGoNativeOutlookConfigurationGuide.pdf>
>> (PDF)  Works ONLY on Ubuntu Trusty & Debian 8
> Thank you for confirming and the references. I appreciate it. I'll see 
> how I will do this implementation and will consult you any questions 
> that arise.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Daniel
>
no problem, Daniel

I am not an expert!  However, I've struggled with OpenChange, and I've come to 
the conclusion the better way for my users is to use EAS with Outlook 2013, and 
like you, I think the CalDav Synchronizer looks great.

That will help with Address Books and Contacts, but it will not help with 
receiving Mail in Outlook.

That's where using EAS should work.  I'm on the same page as you as far as not 
using OpenChange.  My users are long time Thunderbird users, so using MAPI for 
Mail made sense, but "some" users need Outlook.

So, for those few users, I believe EAS should do the job. 
Dovecot/Postfix, SOGo, Samba, no OpenChange



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Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Steve Ankeny]

On 04/11/2016 10:51 AM, Daniel Bareiro (daniel-lis...@gmx.net) wrote:

Hi, Steve.

On 09/04/16 11:37, Steve Ankeny (stev...@cinergymetro.net) wrote:


Review pg 3, 51-58 of the SOGo Installation and Configuration Guide
 (PDF)

Generally, you will find that Outlook 2010, and below, require
OpenChange for use with the "Outlook Anywhere" protocol, while Outlook
2013 can be used without OpenChange with the Enterprise ActiveSync protocol.

Note: IF you need OpenChange, you MUST install the Inverse version of
Samba 4.1.18

Follow the Native Microsoft Outlook Configuration Guide

(PDF)  Works ONLY on Ubuntu Trusty & Debian 8

Thank you for confirming and the references. I appreciate it. I'll see
how I will do this implementation and will consult you any questions
that arise.

Thanks for your time.


Kind regards,
Daniel


no problem, Daniel

I am not an expert!  However, I've struggled with OpenChange, and I've 
come to the conclusion the better way for my users is to use EAS with 
Outlook 2013, and like you, I think the CalDav Synchronizer looks great.


That will help with Address Books and Contacts, but it will not help 
with receiving Mail in Outlook.


That's where using EAS should work.  I'm on the same page as you as far 
as not using OpenChange.  My users are long time Thunderbird users, so 
using MAPI for Mail made sense, but "some" users need Outlook.


So, for those few users, I believe EAS should do the job. 
Dovecot/Postfix, SOGo, Samba, no OpenChange




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Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, MicTieMix.

On 10/04/16 05:19, "MicTieMix" (mictie...@gmail.com) wrote:

> If you don’t mind to install a little helper ‘CalDav Synchronizer’ from
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/outlookcaldavsynchronizer/) you don’t
> need OpenChange or ActiveSync.
> 
> I am using this for several weeks, it’s working fine and is actively
> maintained and updated

Thanks for the reply and suggestion. Very interesting alternative. I
will consider it.

Do we need to configure something extra for get enabled CalDAV/CarDAV in
SOGo?


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Steve.

On 09/04/16 11:37, Steve Ankeny (stev...@cinergymetro.net) wrote:

> Review pg 3, 51-58 of the SOGo Installation and Configuration Guide
>  (PDF)
> 
> Generally, you will find that Outlook 2010, and below, require
> OpenChange for use with the "Outlook Anywhere" protocol, while Outlook
> 2013 can be used without OpenChange with the Enterprise ActiveSync protocol.
> 
> Note: IF you need OpenChange, you MUST install the Inverse version of
> Samba 4.1.18
> 
> Follow the Native Microsoft Outlook Configuration Guide
> 
> (PDF)  Works ONLY on Ubuntu Trusty & Debian 8

Thank you for confirming and the references. I appreciate it. I'll see
how I will do this implementation and will consult you any questions
that arise.

Thanks for your time.


Kind regards,
Daniel



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RE: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

["MicTieMix"]

If you don’t mind to install a little helper ‘CalDav Synchronizer’ from 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/outlookcaldavsynchronizer/) you don’t need 
OpenChange or ActiveSync.

I am using this for several weeks, it’s working fine and is actively maintained 
and updated

Rgds

 

From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Steve 
Ankeny
Sent: Saturday, 9 April 2016 22:38
To: users@sogo.nu
Subject: Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

 

Review pg 3, 51-58 of the SOGo Installation and Configuration Guide 
<http://sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGoInstallationGuide.pdf>  (PDF)

Generally, you will find that Outlook 2010, and below, require OpenChange for 
use with the "Outlook Anywhere" protocol, while Outlook 2013 can be used 
without OpenChange with the Enterprise ActiveSync protocol.

Note: IF you need OpenChange, you MUST install the Inverse version of Samba 
4.1.18

Follow the Native Microsoft Outlook Configuration Guide 
<http://sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGoNativeOutlookConfigurationGuide.pdf>  (PDF)  
Works ONLY on Ubuntu Trusty & Debian 8

On 04/09/2016 09:54 AM, Daniel Bareiro (daniel-lis...@gmx.net 
<mailto:daniel-lis...@gmx.net> ) wrote:

Hi all!
 
I'm thinking to implement SOGo only for synchronization of address book,
tasks and contacts with Outlook 2003-2016.
 
Must I also to install OpenChange for these cases? Previously I made an
implementation of SOGo which we use with Outlook 2013 and some Android
clients and in these cases the synchronization of address book, tasks
and contacts ran smoothly without the need to install OpenChange.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
 
Kind regards,
Daniel
 

 

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Re: [SOGo] SOGo and necessity of using OpenChange

[Steve Ankeny]

Review pg 3, 51-58 of the SOGo Installation and Configuration Guide 
 (PDF)


Generally, you will find that Outlook 2010, and below, require 
OpenChange for use with the "Outlook Anywhere" protocol, while Outlook 
2013 can be used without OpenChange with the Enterprise ActiveSync protocol.


Note: IF you need OpenChange, you MUST install the Inverse version of 
Samba 4.1.18


Follow the Native Microsoft Outlook Configuration Guide 
 
(PDF)  Works ONLY on Ubuntu Trusty & Debian 8


On 04/09/2016 09:54 AM, Daniel Bareiro (daniel-lis...@gmx.net) wrote:

Hi all!

I'm thinking to implement SOGo only for synchronization of address book,
tasks and contacts with Outlook 2003-2016.

Must I also to install OpenChange for these cases? Previously I made an
implementation of SOGo which we use with Outlook 2013 and some Android
clients and in these cases the synchronization of address book, tasks
and contacts ran smoothly without the need to install OpenChange.

Thanks in advance.


Kind regards,
Daniel



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