Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[[Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team]

Guillaume, Sergiu, Vincent, all,

Thanks for the tips. Nice stuff!

Please, just to be sure I am correctly understanding how bundles and 
ApplicationResources_??.properties files.

1. I can use $msg. to get strings defined/declared in a document 
included in ...
2. I can use $!msg.get() to call strings defined in 
ApplicationResources.properties or ApplicationResources_??.properties 
files from any *.vm. It is not possible to use $msg. because how *.vm 
are parsed.

I think these are two easy questions... for whom know how does XWiki 
work! I am on my way :-) Thanks for your help,

Ricardo

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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Sergiu Dumitriu]

[Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team wrote:
> Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, attachment and comments are the same for all the 
>> languages, using the default XWiki code.
>>
>>   
> 
> I am afraid this is also true for panels. Or am I missing anything?
> 
> Thanks!
> 

Yes, but panels can be localized using bundles.
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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Vincent Massol]

On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:


Hi Ricardo,

for panels a much better solution is available:
Define a list of messages (such as the one in BBCode.Translations).  
You'll have :

message1=Hello
message2=Goodnight
and so on...
Where you need your name to be printed (typically in a panel) use  
$msg.message1 , $msg.message2... you will have :

[$msg.message1>MySpace.MyPage] (will show up as Hello)
[$msg.message2>MySpace.MyPage2] (will show up as Goodnight)
Declare your translation page in the wiki administration console  
(same as for the BB)
For each language you need, write a translation of the page in that  
language.
The result will be something similar to what you see on xwiki.com  
when you switch languages (look at the menu bar for "try",  
"partners" and so on)

BTW this is all documented here:
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/InternationalizingApplications

-Vincent


Hope this helps,

Guillaume

On 07/03/2008, [Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:

Vincent Massol wrote:
> I forgot to point to one of our oldest jira issue:
> http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-69
>
> A workaround is proposed in http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-585
>
>
>


Thanks Vincent. I have adopted the first strategy (better, just a  
number
of if/then structures in the panel code) here: I have to deliver a  
small
sample supporting panels in several languages by Monday. I will then  
try

to catch up with Sergiu proposals.

I can't go ahead with XWiki here without a solution to this issue. Of
course attachments and comments will be quickly required if we get
solved panels...

Cheers,

Ricardo


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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Guillaume Lerouge]

Hi Ricardo,
for panels a much better solution is available:

   1. Define a list of messages (such as the one in BBCode.Translations).
   You'll have :
  - message1=Hello
  - message2=Goodnight
  - and so on...
   2. Where you need your name to be printed (typically in a panel) use
   $msg.message1 , $msg.message2... you will have :
  - [$msg.message1>MySpace.MyPage] (will show up as Hello)
  - [$msg.message2>MySpace.MyPage2] (will show up as Goodnight)
   3. Declare your translation page in the wiki administration console
   (same as for the BB)
   4. For each language you need, write a translation of the page in that
   language.
   5. The result will be something similar to what you see on
xwiki.comwhen you switch languages (look at the menu bar for "try",
"partners" and so
   on)

Hope this helps,

Guillaume

On 07/03/2008, [Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Vincent Massol wrote:
> > I forgot to point to one of our oldest jira issue:
> > http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-69
> >
> > A workaround is proposed in http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-585
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Thanks Vincent. I have adopted the first strategy (better, just a number
> of if/then structures in the panel code) here: I have to deliver a small
> sample supporting panels in several languages by Monday. I will then try
> to catch up with Sergiu proposals.
>
> I can't go ahead with XWiki here without a solution to this issue. Of
> course attachments and comments will be quickly required if we get
> solved panels...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ricardo
>
>
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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[[Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team]

Vincent Massol wrote:
> I forgot to point to one of our oldest jira issue:
> http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-69
>
> A workaround is proposed in http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-585
>
>
>   

Thanks Vincent. I have adopted the first strategy (better, just a number 
of if/then structures in the panel code) here: I have to deliver a small 
sample supporting panels in several languages by Monday. I will then try 
to catch up with Sergiu proposals.

I can't go ahead with XWiki here without a solution to this issue. Of 
course attachments and comments will be quickly required if we get 
solved panels...

Cheers,

Ricardo

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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Vincent Massol]

On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:

>
> On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:24 AM, [Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network  
> ICT Team wrote:
>
>> Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, attachment and comments are the same for all the
>>> languages, using the default XWiki code.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am afraid this is also true for panels. Or am I missing anything?
>
> Yes this is true for objects. There's no translation system for  
> objects and since Panels are objects there are no translations for  
> them.
>
> However it's possible to find workaround. One possibility is to have  
> one object per language and write some script to choose the correct  
> panel.

I forgot to point to one of our oldest jira issue:
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-69

A workaround is proposed in http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-585

Thanks
-Vincent

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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Vincent Massol]

On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:24 AM, [Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT  
Team wrote:

> Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, attachment and comments are the same for all the
>> languages, using the default XWiki code.
>>
>>
>
> I am afraid this is also true for panels. Or am I missing anything?

Yes this is true for objects. There's no translation system for  
objects and since Panels are objects there are no translations for them.

However it's possible to find workaround. One possibility is to have  
one object per language and write some script to choose the correct  
panel.

-Vincent

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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[[Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team]

Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:



Unfortunately, attachment and comments are the same for all the 
languages, using the default XWiki code.


  


I am afraid this is also true for panels. Or am I missing anything?

Thanks!

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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Vincent Massol]

Hi Jim,

On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Ludovic writes:
>> Note that our handling of multilinguism is different than Wikiepdia.
>> Wikipedia links documents on the same subject in different wikis (one
>> per language).
>> In XWiki we make one document have multiple languages. The same URL
> will
>> have different content.
>
>> By default the user will receive the one that has the lanugage of its
>> browser.
>
> So as you probably know, our European brethren's ability to read other
> languages is better than that of the new world ;-)
>
> Is it easy/possible to switch between language pages on the same url?
> (German user wants to read the English version)
>
> I see the Language flag in the upper right hand corner - is that how  
> you
> switch? What happens to attachments, comments etc...
>
> PS: Vincent - the documentation page you linked to is not clear (to  
> me)
> on this use case.

I've updated it on http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/I18N 
. I hope it's better now ;)

Thanks
-Vincent

PS: Guys, it would be cool if we all had the habit of improving the  
documentation before answering to someone so that the time we take in  
writing the email with the answer is actually spent on improving the  
doc since that'll help everyone at the same time without costing much.  
If we can do this for all user's questions we'll have rock solid  
documentation on xwiki.org ;)
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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Sergiu Dumitriu]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ludovic writes:
>> Note that our handling of multilinguism is different than Wikiepdia. 
>> Wikipedia links documents on the same subject in different wikis (one 
>> per language).
>> In XWiki we make one document have multiple languages. The same URL
> will 
>> have different content.
> 
>> By default the user will receive the one that has the lanugage of its 
>> browser.
> 
> So as you probably know, our European brethren's ability to read other
> languages is better than that of the new world ;-)
> 
> Is it easy/possible to switch between language pages on the same url?
> (German user wants to read the English version)
> 
> I see the Language flag in the upper right hand corner - is that how you
> switch? What happens to attachments, comments etc...

Unfortunately, attachment and comments are the same for all the 
languages, using the default XWiki code.

> PS: Vincent - the documentation page you linked to is not clear (to me)
> on this use case. 
> 
> Thanks in advance!


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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Ludovic Dubost]

Hi Jim,

Yes it is by clicking the language link at the top that you switch 
languages.
Then your  prefered language will be remembered in a cookie.

You can try this from a user perspective on http://www.xwiki.com

Ludovic

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ludovic writes:
>   
>> Note that our handling of multilinguism is different than Wikiepdia. 
>> Wikipedia links documents on the same subject in different wikis (one 
>> per language).
>> In XWiki we make one document have multiple languages. The same URL
>> 
> will 
>   
>> have different content.
>> 
>
>   
>> By default the user will receive the one that has the lanugage of its 
>> browser.
>> 
>
> So as you probably know, our European brethren's ability to read other
> languages is better than that of the new world ;-)
>
> Is it easy/possible to switch between language pages on the same url?
> (German user wants to read the English version)
>
> I see the Language flag in the upper right hand corner - is that how you
> switch? What happens to attachments, comments etc...
>
> PS: Vincent - the documentation page you linked to is not clear (to me)
> on this use case. 
>
> Thanks in advance!
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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Dowson_Jim]

Ludovic writes:
> Note that our handling of multilinguism is different than Wikiepdia. 
> Wikipedia links documents on the same subject in different wikis (one 
> per language).
> In XWiki we make one document have multiple languages. The same URL
will 
> have different content.

> By default the user will receive the one that has the lanugage of its 
> browser.

So as you probably know, our European brethren's ability to read other
languages is better than that of the new world ;-)

Is it easy/possible to switch between language pages on the same url?
(German user wants to read the English version)

I see the Language flag in the upper right hand corner - is that how you
switch? What happens to attachments, comments etc...

PS: Vincent - the documentation page you linked to is not clear (to me)
on this use case. 

Thanks in advance!
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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Sergiu Dumitriu]

But also note that:
- XWiki supports interwiki links, like Wikipedia does, meaning that you 
can install several instances of XWiki, put interwiki links in the 
document content, and create a panel that lists these links.
- Better than that, XWiki supports virtual wikis, meaning that the same 
server and the same XWiki instance can host more than one wiki at 
different addresses (like en.company.com, fr.company.com, 
de.company.com) and linking between them is really easy, without any 
additional setup, instead of linking to [Some.Document] you link to 
[fr:Some.Document]. You can also write a snippet that creates automatic 
links if a document with the same name exists in another wiki, something 
like:

foreach existing wiki, if wikiprefix + ':' + this document's name 
exists, then write a link to it

- Even better, you can write an RelatedDocs XClass, so that the links 
are not written in the document content, but in attached XObjects. And a 
custom panel can be used to display these objects as links and add a new 
one.


In many ways, XWiki is much more powerful than mediawiki. It just 
requires some knowledge about how to master it.

Ludovic Dubost wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> Note that our handling of multilinguism is different than Wikiepdia. 
> Wikipedia links documents on the same subject in different wikis (one 
> per language).
> In XWiki we make one document have multiple languages. The same URL will 
> have different content.
> 
> By default the user will receive the one that has the lanugage of its 
> browser.
> 
> Ludovic
> 
> Vincent Massol wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Can xwiki handle page entries in different languages as parallel 
>>> entries (similar to mediawiki/Wikipedia)?
>>>  
>>> e.g. see
>>>  
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation, 
>>>  http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation 
>>> ,http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation etc...
>>>  
>>> I’m looking for a way to support international access and collaboration.
>> Sure. See http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/I18N
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>>  
>>> Also, are people using “simple Chinese” to support Japanese users?
>>>  
>>> Thanks in advance…

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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Ludovic Dubost]

Jim,

Note that our handling of multilinguism is different than Wikiepdia. 
Wikipedia links documents on the same subject in different wikis (one 
per language).
In XWiki we make one document have multiple languages. The same URL will 
have different content.

By default the user will receive the one that has the lanugage of its 
browser.

Ludovic

Vincent Massol wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  wrote:
>
>> Can xwiki handle page entries in different languages as parallel 
>> entries (similar to mediawiki/Wikipedia)?
>>  
>> e.g. see
>>  
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation, 
>>  http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation 
>> ,http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation etc...
>>  
>> I’m looking for a way to support international access and collaboration.
>
> Sure. See http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/I18N
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>  
>> Also, are people using “simple Chinese” to support Japanese users?
>>  
>> Thanks in advance…
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>> Linx: (617) 598-0505
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Re: [xwiki-users] Another language question

[Vincent Massol]

Hi Jim,

On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Can xwiki handle page entries in different languages as parallel  
entries (similar to mediawiki/Wikipedia)?


e.g. see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation,  http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation 
 ,http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation etc...


I’m looking for a way to support international access and  
collaboration.


Sure. See http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/I18N

Thanks
-Vincent



Also, are people using “simple Chinese” to support Japanese users?

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