Re: [xwiki-users] Feedback on the new menu bars in XE
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:57, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 09:29, Asiri Rathnayake > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've had some difficulties coping with the new menu structure, here are my >> observations: >> >> 1. Edit / Export / More Actions menus are cool :) >> >> 2. I really miss the sliding menu bar. Now I have to scroll to the top of >> the page whenever I want to do something. May be it's just my resistance to >> change, but I felt uncomfortable. >> >> 3. I'm unable to understand the basis for grouping create space / watch / >> admin actions under xwiki menu. Made me a little confused when I was looking >> for administration link. I like the old administration menu. >> >> 4. If I have a space like "MySuperSpace", the space menu looks like >> "MYSPECIALSPACE" which I felt uncomfortable. > > I like the fact that wiki and space related tasks are separated from > the document task but the name of theses menu (name of the wiki and > name of the name) are really difficult to understand for a user. I > think i would prefer at least something like > > Wiki (Wikiname) Space (Spacename) Also note that there is pretty names for wikis in wikis descriptors so they should be used instead of the technical wiki id. > >> >> This is just how I felt. >> >> Thanks. >> >> - Asiri >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: >> >>> Hi XWiki lovers :), >>> >>> By now you've probably seen the new menu bars that we have introduced >>> in XE 2.1M1. If not, please try XE 2.1M1 or check the release notes at >>> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise21M1 >>> >>> Since the action menu has been heavily reworked we're interesting in >>> gathering feedback and thus ensure that you like the new menu as much >>> as we do. >>> >>> If you have some problems with them please let us know ASAP (since the >>> 2.1 final release is approaching fast - early December). >>> >>> So whether you like them or not, please let us know what you think >>> about them. >>> >>> Thanks a lot >>> Enjoy XWiki >>> -Vincent on behalf of the XWiki dev team >>> >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > -- Thomas Mortagne ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Feedback on the new menu bars in XE
Hi, On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: > On 11/25/2009 09:54 AM, Vincent Massol wrote: > > > > On Nov 25, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've had some difficulties coping with the new menu structure, here > >> are my > >> observations: > >> > >> 1. Edit / Export / More Actions menus are cool :) > >> > >> 2. I really miss the sliding menu bar. Now I have to scroll to the > >> top of > >> the page whenever I want to do something. May be it's just my > >> resistance to > >> change, but I felt uncomfortable. > > > > One thing to note: the scrolling menu was raising problems on unix > > platforms AFAIR. > > This was fixed in 2.0 thanks to Caleb, so it wasn't an issue anymore. > > > Now the new page action menu would be awkward to scroll since it's > > only taking a portion of the horizontal space and it's not at the top. > > > > Note that one important issue that was raised to us was that the > > action menu wasn't enough visible at the top. We've addressed it with > > the new page level action menu. > > > > Maybe you could suggest what you'd like to have instead? (although > > it's a bit late to radically change everything, small adjustments > > could still be made). > > I liked having a vertical icon menu floating next to the page content, > on the left. > We used to have that in XWiki Workspaces (actually we still do). In practices it looks weird to have a set of non-moving images right in the middle of your page, it feels like there's a display bug. In my experience it's hard getting accustomed to it (and I'm the one who insisted on having that in XWS in the first place). > >> 3. I'm unable to understand the basis for grouping create space / > >> watch / > >> admin actions under xwiki menu. Made me a little confused when I was > >> looking > >> for administration link. I like the old administration menu. > > > > The top menu is about actions not related to the current page. This is > > the big change that we've brought: separation of page actions from non > > page actions. > > The top menu allows to perform actions on the wiki as a whole or > > actions on the current space. > > Administration is either a wiki action or a space action depending if > > you want to administer the wiki or the space. > > > > I also have pb with the change of location of the Administration link > > but I'm pretty sure it's because of the habit I have to break of > > looking for it at the top right, and that very soon I'll automatically > > look for it in the new place. > > A possible problem would be that for a newcommer, on a fresh > installation, the Administer entry is even harder to find. Lots of users > didn't see it when it was in the top menu directly, why would they > search for it in the XWIKI menu? > On the other hand, the top menu is a bit more visible now, and because > the default wiki is called XWIKI, it's pretty normal to try to > Administer <- XWIKI. > Another thing I was thinking about is that maybe in XE we should call this "HOME" or "WIKI" rather than "XWIKI" in order to make it more relevant to the user. While in XEM using the wiki name makes sense, in XE it sounds a bit weird... > >> 4. If I have a space like "MySuperSpace", the space menu looks like > >> "MYSPECIALSPACE" which I felt uncomfortable. > > > > Using lower cases for the menus in general is something I'd also like > > to see to be able to compare and verify if it's better or worse. > For long space names, maybe we should trim them after 30-40 chars... Guillaume > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > >> This is just how I felt. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> - Asiri > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Vincent Massol > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi XWiki lovers :), > >>> > >>> By now you've probably seen the new menu bars that we have introduced > >>> in XE 2.1M1. If not, please try XE 2.1M1 or check the release notes > >>> at > >>> > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise21M1 > >>> > >>> Since the action menu has been heavily reworked we're interesting in > >>> gathering feedback and thus ensure that you like the new menu as much > >>> as we do. > >>> > >>> If you have some problems with them please let us know ASAP (since > >>> the > >>> 2.1 final release is approaching fast - early December). > >>> > >>> So whether you like them or not, please let us know what you think > >>> about them. > >>> > >>> Thanks a lot > >>> Enjoy XWiki > >>> -Vincent on behalf of the XWiki dev team > > > -- > Sergiu Dumitriu > http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Feedback on the new menu bars in XE
Hi, On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 09:29, Asiri Rathnayake > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've had some difficulties coping with the new menu structure, here are > my > > observations: > > > > 1. Edit / Export / More Actions menus are cool :) > > > > 2. I really miss the sliding menu bar. Now I have to scroll to the top of > > the page whenever I want to do something. May be it's just my resistance > to > > change, but I felt uncomfortable. > > > > 3. I'm unable to understand the basis for grouping create space / watch / > > admin actions under xwiki menu. Made me a little confused when I was > looking > > for administration link. I like the old administration menu. > > > > 4. If I have a space like "MySuperSpace", the space menu looks like > > "MYSPECIALSPACE" which I felt uncomfortable. > > I like the fact that wiki and space related tasks are separated from > the document task but the name of theses menu (name of the wiki and > name of the name) are really difficult to understand for a user. I > think i would prefer at least something like > > Wiki (Wikiname) Space (Spacename) > +1. - Asiri ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Feedback on the new menu bars in XE
I don't quite like them. - The icons are not suggestive enough. Why is Edit Class a box? Why is Export as RTF using the MSWord icon? Why is the Watchlist using the same icon as the adminster entries? These are just the top most annoying ones. - The need to scroll bugs me. It was much more convenient to have the menu in the same place. Sure, the alternative is to use the keyboard shortcuts, but I never do, and it's not something easy to figure out without reading the documentation. - I'm not sure using the database name as the menu name is a good idea. First, what do you do with a menu named GTLLMIPY? Second, how do you document it so that people can easily understand what you're talking about? Impatient people will just look at the pictures and see the XWIKI menu, which they don't have. On 11/25/2009 09:09 AM, Vincent Massol wrote: > Hi XWiki lovers :), > > By now you've probably seen the new menu bars that we have introduced > in XE 2.1M1. If not, please try XE 2.1M1 or check the release notes at > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise21M1 > > Since the action menu has been heavily reworked we're interesting in > gathering feedback and thus ensure that you like the new menu as much > as we do. > > If you have some problems with them please let us know ASAP (since the > 2.1 final release is approaching fast - early December). > > So whether you like them or not, please let us know what you think > about them. > > Thanks a lot > Enjoy XWiki > -Vincent on behalf of the XWiki dev team -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Feedback on the new menu bars in XE
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 09:29, Asiri Rathnayake wrote: > Hi, > > I've had some difficulties coping with the new menu structure, here are my > observations: > > 1. Edit / Export / More Actions menus are cool :) > > 2. I really miss the sliding menu bar. Now I have to scroll to the top of > the page whenever I want to do something. May be it's just my resistance to > change, but I felt uncomfortable. > > 3. I'm unable to understand the basis for grouping create space / watch / > admin actions under xwiki menu. Made me a little confused when I was looking > for administration link. I like the old administration menu. > > 4. If I have a space like "MySuperSpace", the space menu looks like > "MYSPECIALSPACE" which I felt uncomfortable. I like the fact that wiki and space related tasks are separated from the document task but the name of theses menu (name of the wiki and name of the name) are really difficult to understand for a user. I think i would prefer at least something like Wiki (Wikiname) Space (Spacename) > > This is just how I felt. > > Thanks. > > - Asiri > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: > >> Hi XWiki lovers :), >> >> By now you've probably seen the new menu bars that we have introduced >> in XE 2.1M1. If not, please try XE 2.1M1 or check the release notes at >> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise21M1 >> >> Since the action menu has been heavily reworked we're interesting in >> gathering feedback and thus ensure that you like the new menu as much >> as we do. >> >> If you have some problems with them please let us know ASAP (since the >> 2.1 final release is approaching fast - early December). >> >> So whether you like them or not, please let us know what you think >> about them. >> >> Thanks a lot >> Enjoy XWiki >> -Vincent on behalf of the XWiki dev team >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Thomas Mortagne ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Feedback on the new menu bars in XE
On 11/25/2009 09:54 AM, Vincent Massol wrote: > > On Nov 25, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've had some difficulties coping with the new menu structure, here >> are my >> observations: >> >> 1. Edit / Export / More Actions menus are cool :) >> >> 2. I really miss the sliding menu bar. Now I have to scroll to the >> top of >> the page whenever I want to do something. May be it's just my >> resistance to >> change, but I felt uncomfortable. > > One thing to note: the scrolling menu was raising problems on unix > platforms AFAIR. This was fixed in 2.0 thanks to Caleb, so it wasn't an issue anymore. > Now the new page action menu would be awkward to scroll since it's > only taking a portion of the horizontal space and it's not at the top. > > Note that one important issue that was raised to us was that the > action menu wasn't enough visible at the top. We've addressed it with > the new page level action menu. > > Maybe you could suggest what you'd like to have instead? (although > it's a bit late to radically change everything, small adjustments > could still be made). I liked having a vertical icon menu floating next to the page content, on the left. >> 3. I'm unable to understand the basis for grouping create space / >> watch / >> admin actions under xwiki menu. Made me a little confused when I was >> looking >> for administration link. I like the old administration menu. > > The top menu is about actions not related to the current page. This is > the big change that we've brought: separation of page actions from non > page actions. > The top menu allows to perform actions on the wiki as a whole or > actions on the current space. > Administration is either a wiki action or a space action depending if > you want to administer the wiki or the space. > > I also have pb with the change of location of the Administration link > but I'm pretty sure it's because of the habit I have to break of > looking for it at the top right, and that very soon I'll automatically > look for it in the new place. A possible problem would be that for a newcommer, on a fresh installation, the Administer entry is even harder to find. Lots of users didn't see it when it was in the top menu directly, why would they search for it in the XWIKI menu? On the other hand, the top menu is a bit more visible now, and because the default wiki is called XWIKI, it's pretty normal to try to Administer <- XWIKI. >> 4. If I have a space like "MySuperSpace", the space menu looks like >> "MYSPECIALSPACE" which I felt uncomfortable. > > Using lower cases for the menus in general is something I'd also like > to see to be able to compare and verify if it's better or worse. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> This is just how I felt. >> >> Thanks. >> >> - Asiri >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Vincent Massol >> wrote: >> >>> Hi XWiki lovers :), >>> >>> By now you've probably seen the new menu bars that we have introduced >>> in XE 2.1M1. If not, please try XE 2.1M1 or check the release notes >>> at >>> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise21M1 >>> >>> Since the action menu has been heavily reworked we're interesting in >>> gathering feedback and thus ensure that you like the new menu as much >>> as we do. >>> >>> If you have some problems with them please let us know ASAP (since >>> the >>> 2.1 final release is approaching fast - early December). >>> >>> So whether you like them or not, please let us know what you think >>> about them. >>> >>> Thanks a lot >>> Enjoy XWiki >>> -Vincent on behalf of the XWiki dev team -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Feedback on the new menu bars in XE
On Nov 25, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote: > Hi, > > I've had some difficulties coping with the new menu structure, here > are my > observations: > > 1. Edit / Export / More Actions menus are cool :) > > 2. I really miss the sliding menu bar. Now I have to scroll to the > top of > the page whenever I want to do something. May be it's just my > resistance to > change, but I felt uncomfortable. One thing to note: the scrolling menu was raising problems on unix platforms AFAIR. Now the new page action menu would be awkward to scroll since it's only taking a portion of the horizontal space and it's not at the top. Note that one important issue that was raised to us was that the action menu wasn't enough visible at the top. We've addressed it with the new page level action menu. Maybe you could suggest what you'd like to have instead? (although it's a bit late to radically change everything, small adjustments could still be made). > 3. I'm unable to understand the basis for grouping create space / > watch / > admin actions under xwiki menu. Made me a little confused when I was > looking > for administration link. I like the old administration menu. The top menu is about actions not related to the current page. This is the big change that we've brought: separation of page actions from non page actions. The top menu allows to perform actions on the wiki as a whole or actions on the current space. Administration is either a wiki action or a space action depending if you want to administer the wiki or the space. I also have pb with the change of location of the Administration link but I'm pretty sure it's because of the habit I have to break of looking for it at the top right, and that very soon I'll automatically look for it in the new place. > 4. If I have a space like "MySuperSpace", the space menu looks like > "MYSPECIALSPACE" which I felt uncomfortable. Using lower cases for the menus in general is something I'd also like to see to be able to compare and verify if it's better or worse. Thanks -Vincent > This is just how I felt. > > Thanks. > > - Asiri > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Vincent Massol > wrote: > >> Hi XWiki lovers :), >> >> By now you've probably seen the new menu bars that we have introduced >> in XE 2.1M1. If not, please try XE 2.1M1 or check the release notes >> at >> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise21M1 >> >> Since the action menu has been heavily reworked we're interesting in >> gathering feedback and thus ensure that you like the new menu as much >> as we do. >> >> If you have some problems with them please let us know ASAP (since >> the >> 2.1 final release is approaching fast - early December). >> >> So whether you like them or not, please let us know what you think >> about them. >> >> Thanks a lot >> Enjoy XWiki >> -Vincent on behalf of the XWiki dev team ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Feedback on the new menu bars in XE
Hi, I've had some difficulties coping with the new menu structure, here are my observations: 1. Edit / Export / More Actions menus are cool :) 2. I really miss the sliding menu bar. Now I have to scroll to the top of the page whenever I want to do something. May be it's just my resistance to change, but I felt uncomfortable. 3. I'm unable to understand the basis for grouping create space / watch / admin actions under xwiki menu. Made me a little confused when I was looking for administration link. I like the old administration menu. 4. If I have a space like "MySuperSpace", the space menu looks like "MYSPECIALSPACE" which I felt uncomfortable. This is just how I felt. Thanks. - Asiri On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: > Hi XWiki lovers :), > > By now you've probably seen the new menu bars that we have introduced > in XE 2.1M1. If not, please try XE 2.1M1 or check the release notes at > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise21M1 > > Since the action menu has been heavily reworked we're interesting in > gathering feedback and thus ensure that you like the new menu as much > as we do. > > If you have some problems with them please let us know ASAP (since the > 2.1 final release is approaching fast - early December). > > So whether you like them or not, please let us know what you think > about them. > > Thanks a lot > Enjoy XWiki > -Vincent on behalf of the XWiki dev team > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
