[vchkpw] vpopmail/qmail doublebounce issue
First time poster Have mercy on the neophyte! Can anyone point me to the right documentation source for properly configuring vpopmail+qmail so that doublebounces don't hang in the queue? My son had been managing this system, but got too busy, so I have to come up to speed just as Comcast decided that all the SPAM bouncing back out of our system was SPAM originating from our system, and quit allowing us to relay through their server. Originally, to mollify the ISPs that refuse mail from floating IPs, we had smtproutes set thusly: :SMTP.Comcast.Net Fine, until they got tired of processing the SPAM bounces. So, I peeled smtproutes back to: AOL.Com:SMTP.Comcast.Net ...so that at least the AOL mail from us would get delivered. Our server hosts several very small domains: TS5.Com, TS4.Com, and Christy9.Com. The system ME is mail.ts5.com. I noticed after removing Comcast as the relay that the queue began filling with doublebounces, addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the log indicated tons of entries like this: @400041372d553b41077c new msg 3794941 @400041372d553b410b64 info msg 3794941: bytes 11149 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 13481 uid 507 @400041372d5601445164 starting delivery 81338: msg 3794941 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] @400041372d5601446cbc status: local 0/10 remote 2/20 @400041372d560fc141ac delivery 81338: deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/ @400041372d560fc160ec status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 @400041372d580f829a9c starting delivery 81339: msg 3794751 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] @400041372d580f82b5f4 status: local 0/10 remote 2/20 @400041372d581900bfcc delivery 81339: deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/ @400041372d581900db24 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 @ So, vpopmail knows that ts5.com is a local domain, but when the doublebounce is generated, it is treating [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a remote address. Am I reading that right? (below: I have redacted the name of the relay server we are using, not because it is in any way an open relay -- it isn't, we run it, too -- but because the customer wants to remain private) I temporarily worked around the problem by adding first the entry TS5.Com:SMTP.*.Net to smtproutes: no effect. Then I added mail.TS5.Com:SMTP.*.Net, and the queue began to empty, but sent all the doublebounces to the default account [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of to postmaster. Obviously I don't understand all the flow here, but would sure appreciate it if someone could point me to (1) the right documentation to cover this, and (2) an appropriate patch to vpopmail+qmail to avoid such heavy SPAM issues, like a SMTP-time bounce that works with vpopmail, or other technique that works more effectively than receiving all the bad mail, then generating bounce messages for them. 'Cause I know sending doublebounces out to another qmail server, and back again, ain't the way it should be done! Tom Harrison * qmail-showctl * [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./qmail-showctl -? qmail home directory: /var/qmail. user-ext delimiter: -. paternalism (in decimal): 2. silent concurrency limit: 120. subdirectory split: 23. user ids: 501, 502, 503, 0, 504, 505, 506, 507. group ids: 501, 502. badmailfrom: (Default.) Any MAIL FROM is allowed. bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is MAILER-DAEMON. bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is mail.ts5.com. concurrencylocal: (Default.) Local concurrency is 10. concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 20. databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes. defaultdomain: Default domain name is mail.ts5.com. defaulthost: (Default.) Default host name is mail.ts5.com. doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: mail.ts5.com. doublebounceto: (Default.) 2B recipient user: postmaster. envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is mail.ts5.com. helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is mail.ts5.com. idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is mail.ts5.com. localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes mail.ts5.com. locals: me: My name is mail.ts5.com. percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not allowed. plusdomain: Plus domain name is mail.ts5.com. qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers. queuelifetime: Message lifetime in the queue is 86400 seconds. rcpthosts: SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at ts5.com. SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at ts4.com. SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at christy9.com. morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect. morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect. smtpgreeting: (Default.) SMTP greeting: 220 mail.ts5.com. smtproutes: SMTP route: aol.com:SMTP.*.Net SMTP route: ts5.com:SMTP.*.Net SMTP route: mail.ts5.com:SMTP.*.Net timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection timeout is 60 seconds. timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout is 1200 seconds. timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout is 1200 seconds
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail/qmail doublebounce issue
At 9/7/2004 08:10 AM, you wrote: On Monday 06 September 2004 05:48 pm, Tom Harrison wrote: First time poster Have mercy on the neophyte! welcome. Thanks, Jeremy, for responding. I noticed after removing Comcast as the relay that the queue began filling with doublebounces, addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the log indicated tons of entries like this: [...] to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] vpopmail knows that ts5.com is a local domain [...] put mail.ts5.com into locals, or alias it to your ts5.com virtualdomain. OK. I put mail.ts5.com into locals. Should all the local domains be there? I note that the vpopmail instructions say that vadddomain will modify locals, but on our system locals remained empty. New result of qmail-showctl is below. Anyway, now I am getting different error messages: @4000413decc0139cd9e4 new msg 3794106 @4000413decc0139ced6c info msg 3794106: bytes 3103 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 16401 uid507 @4000413decc0152edbf4 starting delivery 24: msg 3794106 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @4000413decc015300ca4 status: local 1/10 remote 1/20 @4000413decc015d08a94 delivery 24: failure: user_does_not_exist,_but_will_deliver_to_/home/vpopmail/domains/ts5.com/postmaster/Maildir//can_not_open_new_email_file_errno=13_file=/home/vpopmail/domains/ts5.com/postmaster/Maildir/tmp/1094577334.16404.mail.ts5.com,S=3103/system_error/ @4000413decc015d0b1a4 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 @4000413decc015d0b974 triple bounce: discarding bounce/3794106 @4000413decc015d0bd5c end msg 3794106 ...so something must still be amiss. Permissions, perhaps? I did try adding mail.ts5.com to virtualdomains before posting the question to this forum, and it seemed to have no effect. As you can see from the first recitation of qmail-showctl, and this current one, the entry for mail.ts5.com is still there. Could you perchance explain the flow of process control in the generation of a doublebounce message? * qmail-showctl result * [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./qmail-showctl qmail home directory: /var/qmail. user-ext delimiter: -. paternalism (in decimal): 2. silent concurrency limit: 120. subdirectory split: 23. user ids: 501, 502, 503, 0, 504, 505, 506, 507. group ids: 501, 502. badmailfrom: (Default.) Any MAIL FROM is allowed. bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is MAILER-DAEMON. bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is mail.ts5.com. concurrencylocal: (Default.) Local concurrency is 10. concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 20. databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes. defaultdomain: Default domain name is mail.ts5.com. defaulthost: (Default.) Default host name is mail.ts5.com. doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: mail.ts5.com. doublebounceto: (Default.) 2B recipient user: postmaster. envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is mail.ts5.com. helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is mail.ts5.com. idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is mail.ts5.com. localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes mail.ts5.com. locals: Messages for mail.ts5.com are delivered locally. me: My name is mail.ts5.com. percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not allowed. plusdomain: Plus domain name is mail.ts5.com. qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers. queuelifetime: Message lifetime in the queue is 86400 seconds. rcpthosts: SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at ts5.com. SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at ts4.com. SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at christy9.com. morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect. morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect. smtpgreeting: (Default.) SMTP greeting: 220 mail.ts5.com. smtproutes: SMTP route: aol.com:SMTP.HealtheTouch.Net timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection timeout is 60 seconds. timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout is 1200 seconds. timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout is 1200 seconds. virtualdomains: Virtual domain: ts5.com:ts5.com Virtual domain: ts4.com:ts4.com Virtual domain: christy9.com:christy9.com Virtual domain: mail.ts5.com:ts5.com defaultdelivery: I have no idea what this file does. concurrencyincoming: I have no idea what this file does. rcpthosts.lock: I have no idea what this file does. virtualdomains.lock: I have no idea what this file does. locals.lock: I have no idea what this file does. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen ++ Systems Administrator ++ Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ www.inter7.com ++ 866.528.3530 ++ 815.776.9465 int'l kitchen @ #qmail #gentoo on EFnet ++ scriptkitchen.com/qmail
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail/qmail doublebounce issue
At 9/7/2004 10:40 AM, you wrote: On Tuesday 07 September 2004 12:37 pm, Tom Harrison wrote: I noticed after removing Comcast as the relay that the queue began filling with doublebounces, addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the log indicated tons of entries like this: [...] to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] vpopmail knows that ts5.com is a local domain [...] put mail.ts5.com into locals, or alias it to your ts5.com virtualdomain. OK. I put mail.ts5.com into locals. Should all the local domains be there? I note that the vpopmail instructions say that vadddomain will modify locals, but on our system locals remained empty. New result of qmail-showctl is below. man qmail-send. understand the roles of the locals and virtualdomains files. I had read it, and now have read it again. Your first advice (above) told me to violate those instructions, which I did. I have undone that change and added what I think should be the correct definitions for doublebounce (see qmail-showctl result below) In short, if the domain is handled by vpopmail, you don't want it in locals. OK, agreed. Just curious, why did you suggest it the first time? Please forgive me if I somehow unconsciously misled you in my first posting, though I thought I disclosed everything needed So, the problem persists, though it has changed slightly, which I think means that the virtualdomains entry mail.ts5.com:ts5.com is at least directing the mail to the local processing. Error messages now are of the form: @4000413e45e20f52c484 new msg 3794192 @4000413e45e20f52dbf4 info msg 3794192: bytes 3104 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 24395 uid507 @4000413e45e210eeb58c starting delivery 1277: msg 3794192 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @4000413e45e210eed0e4 status: local 1/10 remote 3/20 @4000413e45e2116de80c delivery 1277: success: user_does_not_exist,_but_will_deliver_to_/home/vpopmail/domains/ts5.com/other/Maildir//did_0+0+1/ @4000413e45e2116e074c status: local 0/10 remote 3/20 @4000413e45e2116e0b34 end msg 3794192 postmaster does indeed exist as a user folder in the domain ts5.com, of course. What am I missing? Tom Harrison * qmail-showctl results * [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./qmail-showctl qmail home directory: /var/qmail. user-ext delimiter: -. paternalism (in decimal): 2. silent concurrency limit: 120. subdirectory split: 23. user ids: 501, 502, 503, 0, 504, 505, 506, 507. group ids: 501, 502. badmailfrom: (Default.) Any MAIL FROM is allowed. bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is MAILER-DAEMON. bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is mail.ts5.com. concurrencylocal: (Default.) Local concurrency is 10. concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 20. databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes. defaultdomain: Default domain name is mail.ts5.com. defaulthost: (Default.) Default host name is mail.ts5.com. doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: mail.ts5.com. doublebounceto: 2B recipient user: postmaster. envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is mail.ts5.com. helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is mail.ts5.com. idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is mail.ts5.com. localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes mail.ts5.com. locals: me: My name is mail.ts5.com. percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not allowed. plusdomain: Plus domain name is mail.ts5.com. qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers. queuelifetime: Message lifetime in the queue is 86400 seconds. rcpthosts: SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at ts5.com. SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at ts4.com. SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at christy9.com. morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect. morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect. smtpgreeting: (Default.) SMTP greeting: 220 mail.ts5.com. smtproutes: SMTP route: aol.com:SMTP.*.Net timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection timeout is 60 seconds. timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout is 1200 seconds. timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout is 1200 seconds. virtualdomains: Virtual domain: ts5.com:ts5.com Virtual domain: ts4.com:ts4.com Virtual domain: christy9.com:christy9.com Virtual domain: mail.ts5.com:ts5.com defaultdelivery: I have no idea what this file does. concurrencyincoming: I have no idea what this file does. rcpthosts.lock: I have no idea what this file does. virtualdomains.lock: I have no idea what this file does. locals.lock: I have no idea what this file does. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen ++ Systems Administrator ++ Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ www.inter7.com ++ 866.528.3530 ++ 815.776.9465 int'l kitchen @ #qmail #gentoo on EFnet ++ scriptkitchen.com/qmail
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail/qmail doublebounce issue
At 9/7/2004 05:25 PM, you wrote: Tom Harrison wrote: At 9/7/2004 10:40 AM, you wrote: On Tuesday 07 September 2004 12:37 pm, Tom Harrison wrote: I noticed after removing Comcast as the relay that the queue began filling with doublebounces, addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the log indicated tons of entries like this: [...] to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] vpopmail knows that ts5.com is a local domain [...] put mail.ts5.com into locals, or alias it to your ts5.com virtualdomain. OK. I put mail.ts5.com into locals. Should all the local domains be there? I note that the vpopmail instructions say that vadddomain will modify locals, but on our system locals remained empty. New result of qmail-showctl is below. man qmail-send. understand the roles of the locals and virtualdomains files. I had read it, and now have read it again. Your first advice (above) told me to violate those instructions, which I did. I have undone that change and added what I think should be the correct definitions for doublebounce (see qmail-showctl result below) In short, if the domain is handled by vpopmail, you don't want it in locals. OK, agreed. Just curious, why did you suggest it the first time? Please forgive me if I somehow unconsciously misled you in my first posting, though I thought I disclosed everything needed So, the problem persists, though it has changed slightly, which I think means that the virtualdomains entry mail.ts5.com:ts5.com is at least directing the mail to the local processing. Error messages now are of the form: @4000413e45e20f52c484 new msg 3794192 @4000413e45e20f52dbf4 info msg 3794192: bytes 3104 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 24395 uid507 @4000413e45e210eeb58c starting delivery 1277: msg 3794192 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @4000413e45e210eed0e4 status: local 1/10 remote 3/20 @4000413e45e2116de80c delivery 1277: success: user_does_not_exist,_but_will_deliver_to_/home/vpopmail/domains/ts5.com/other/Maildir//did_0+0+1/ @4000413e45e2116e074c status: local 0/10 remote 3/20 @4000413e45e2116e0b34 end msg 3794192 postmaster does indeed exist as a user folder in the domain ts5.com, of course. What am I missing? Tom Harrison * qmail-showctl results * [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./qmail-showctl qmail home directory: /var/qmail. user-ext delimiter: -. paternalism (in decimal): 2. silent concurrency limit: 120. subdirectory split: 23. user ids: 501, 502, 503, 0, 504, 505, 506, 507. group ids: 501, 502. badmailfrom: (Default.) Any MAIL FROM is allowed. bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is MAILER-DAEMON. bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is mail.ts5.com. concurrencylocal: (Default.) Local concurrency is 10. concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 20. databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes. defaultdomain: Default domain name is mail.ts5.com. defaulthost: (Default.) Default host name is mail.ts5.com. doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: mail.ts5.com. doublebounceto: 2B recipient user: postmaster. envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is mail.ts5.com. helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is mail.ts5.com. idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is mail.ts5.com. localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes mail.ts5.com. locals: me: My name is mail.ts5.com. percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not allowed. plusdomain: Plus domain name is mail.ts5.com. qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers. queuelifetime: Message lifetime in the queue is 86400 seconds. rcpthosts: SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at ts5.com. SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at ts4.com. SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at christy9.com. morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect. morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect. smtpgreeting: (Default.) SMTP greeting: 220 mail.ts5.com. smtproutes: SMTP route: aol.com:SMTP.*.Net timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection timeout is 60 seconds. timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout is 1200 seconds. timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout is 1200 seconds. virtualdomains: Virtual domain: ts5.com:ts5.com Virtual domain: ts4.com:ts4.com Virtual domain: christy9.com:christy9.com Virtual domain: mail.ts5.com:ts5.com defaultdelivery: I have no idea what this file does. concurrencyincoming: I have no idea what this file does. rcpthosts.lock: I have no idea what this file does. virtualdomains.lock: I have no idea what this file does. locals.lock: I have no idea what this file does. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen ++ Systems Administrator ++ Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ www.inter7.com ++ 866.528.3530 ++ 815.776.9465 int'l kitchen @ #qmail #gentoo on EFnet ++ scriptkitchen.com/qmail Based on Virtual domain: mail.ts5.com:ts5.com it would appear that you created an alias for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to go to t5.com? Curious that mail.t5.com does not show up in your RCPTHOSTS file
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail/qmail doublebounce issue
At 9/8/2004 08:38 AM, you wrote: on tuesday 07 september 2004 07:11 pm, tom harrison wrote: in short, if the domain is handled by vpopmail, you don't want it in locals. ok, agreed. just curious, why did you suggest it the first time? please forgive me if i somehow unconsciously misled you in my first posting, though i thought i disclosed everything needed i suggested you put mail.ts5.com (which is not ts5.com) into locals, or to set it as an alias to ts5.com. That's what I did. If you recall from my earlier post, the following part of qmail-showctl's output: * locals: Messages for mail.ts5.com are delivered locally. * That resulted in error messages of the form: * @4000413decc0152edbf4 starting delivery 24: msg 3794106 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @4000413decc015300ca4 status: local 1/10 remote 1/20 @4000413decc015d08a94 delivery 24: failure: user_does_not_exist,_but_will_deliver_to_/home/vpopmail/domains/ts5.com/postmaster/Maildir//can_not_open_new_email_file_errno=13_file=/home/vpopmail/domains/ts5.com/postmaster/Maildir/tmp/1094577334.16404.mail.ts5.com,S=3103/system_error/ @4000413decc015d0b1a4 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 @4000413decc015d0b974 triple bounce: discarding bounce/3794106 * So, I removed the entry in locals, and depended instead on the entry in virtualdomains, and now I get messages of the form: * @4000413f3cc3253fed44 new msg 3794133 @4000413f3cc3254000cc info msg 3794133: bytes 9559 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 13638 uid507 @4000413f3cc326d99074 starting delivery 9721: msg 3794133 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @4000413f3cc326d9abcc status: local 1/10 remote 5/20 @4000413f3cc3275aa36c delivery 9721: success: user_does_not_exist,_but_will_deliver_to_/home/vpopmail/domains/ts5.com/other/Maildir//did_0+0+1/ @4000413f3cc3275ac694 status: local 0/10 remote 5/20 @4000413f3cc3275aca7c end msg 3794133 * you could optionally create another completely separate virtualdomain for the domain.. i was just mentioning what i would do. putting mail.ts5.com into locals would not affect the functionality of the ts5.com virtualdomain. Correct. It did not affect the delivery of mail addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...snip... try sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i bet it will give you the same message. -jeremy OK, I did that. Mail sent from one user in the TS4.Com domain also hosted on the same server yields a correct delivery to the mailbox for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * X-Persona: TS5 Postmaster Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 10291 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 16:29:24 - Received: from unknown (HELO tomivxp.TS4.Com) (192.168.1.51) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 16:29:24 - Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@mail.ts4.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:28:05 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test virtual domain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed * And mail sent from outside the system to [EMAIL PROTECTED] also results in a correct delivery to the mailbox for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * X-Persona: TS5 Postmaster Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 11767 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 16:38:10 - Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (205.158.62.67) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 16:38:10 - Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id AA4251801935 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:37:04 + (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 8 Sep 2004 16:33:17 - Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 40F63E5BCA; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:33:11 + (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [24.20.77.41] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:33:11 -0500 From: Tom Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:33:11 -0500 Subject: test from the outside X-Originating-Ip: 24.20.77.41 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * So, delivery of normal mail still works just fine. It is only the internal mail generated as a double-bounce that fails. I stand confused, still. Thanks in advance for helping me see the light on this. By the way, I still have the open question regarding a recommendation for a construct similar to the realrcptto patch, to operate with vpopmail and bounce all this crud BEFORE it crawls into the sytem. Tom Harrison -- jeremy kitchen ++ systems administrator ++ inter7 internet technologies
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail/qmail doublebounce issue
At 9/8/2004 11:14 AM, you wrote: on sep 8, 2004, at 10:24 am, tom harrison wrote: * locals: messages for mail.ts5.com are delivered locally. * that resulted in error messages of the form: * @4000413decc0152edbf4 starting delivery 24: msg 3794106 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] @4000413decc015300ca4 status: local 1/10 remote 1/20 @4000413decc015d08a94 delivery 24: failure: user_does_not_exist,_but_will_deliver_to_/home/vpopmail/domains/ ts5.com/postmaster/maildir// can_not_open_new_email_file_errno=13_file=/home/vpopmail/domains/ ts5.com/postmaster/maildir/tmp/1094577334.16404.mail.ts5.com,s=3103/ system_error/ @4000413decc015d0b1a4 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 @4000413decc015d0b974 triple bounce: discarding bounce/3794106 * what does /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-postmaster (or .qmail-default) look like? if mail.ts5.com is in locals, then qmail looks at the files in /var/qmail/alias if there isn't a system account with the name 'postmaster'. you could avoid a lot of this mess by putting ts5.com in /var/qmail/control/doublebouncehost. or, do what i do and set doublebounceto to 'doublebounce' and set /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-doublebounce to '#'. in other words, ignore double bounces. imho, they are 99.999% spam-related and not worth reading. Well, duh: now that you say it, it makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for putting an end to my confusion. I was under the misimpression that it was because qmail was internally doing something odd. Your solution neatly drug me out of the mythological deception I was laboring under. Thanks again, Tom Tom Harrison ...snip... -- tom collins - [EMAIL PROTECTED] qmailadmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/ info on the sniffter hand-held network tester: http://sniffter.com/
