Re: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe
On Sep 9, 2004, at 2:14 AM, Jeremy Kitchen wrote: I've always been a fan of having an "internet license" where you can't get an ISP without taking a short class on common sense and safe internet practices :) I guess not everyone can be helped. An ISP in europe will sell you internet that is firewalled, and the only way to open a port up is to call tech support and get one of the guys on the phone, explain why you need the port open (Enough ports are open for normal day to day stuff), and answer a few questions. So if you answer the questions wrong, you will not have the port opened. So a lot of home servers can be run on that without fear because you know that the owners have at least answered enough questions right that they know how to run the particular server (For instance, mail, or HTTPD). On their IP block, there is no damage done yet cause of spamming. And any PC's that are spamming, even with the port closed, get their internet taken away until they fix the problem, or decide to switch ISP. They offer tech support (walk in) for $50 (one time) and they fix whatever the problem was, and reactivate your internet :). Pretty cool actually. Wish i could remember the name, read about it in the Financiale Telegraaf (Dutch newspaper about finances). -Jeremy X-Istence
Re: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe
On Sep 8, 2004, at 8:43 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Am Do, den 09.09.2004 schrieb Jeremy Kitchen um 0:50: On Wednesday 08 September 2004 04:44 pm, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] please stop this madness. read the headers of every message sent to you by the mailing list to figure out how to unsubscribe. You'd think that people subscribing to a list about a mailserver-management software would know how to read (let alone find) a header. But the last time someone posted the above advice, the person in question promptly asked how to find the header... It should be obvious though, unless they use Outhouse or any of its variants. It scares me to think that these people might actually run a mailserver. Gives a whole new meaning to the joke about "on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog", doesn't it ? Scary indeed. Perhaps you could implement a filter that directs people wanting subscribe with Outlook-clients to a web-page describing how to view the header in various Outlook-variants. Then, before the subscription is approved, they have to fill out a little multiple choice test I think this would be a great idea. The multiple choice test would weed out all people needing support in the first place, so we would have nothing to do :) :P. Just kidding, but yes, i think it would be good to have like a small entrance exam. Rainer -- === ~ Rainer Duffner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~ Freising - Munich - Germany ~ ~Unix - Linux - BSD - OpenSource - Security ~ ~ http://www.ultra-secure.de/~rainer/pubkey.pgp ~ ===
RE: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe
Jeremy: Here is the header & I have unscribed it. Few suggestion for the future: (1) Update the we site: http://www.inter7.com/?page=vpopmail and just below where it says "subscribe" add a line which says "un-subscribe. Most web sites do that! (2) Mention to "look into the message header" somewhere so subscribers can see it and try to figure it out. (3) Do what other mailing lists do; automatically add a section on each posting which directs nailing list user how to do certain thing. Here is an example from another list: ___ Shorewall-users mailing list Post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: https://lists.shorewall.net/mailman/listinfo/shorewall-users Support: http://www.shorewall.net/support.htm FAQ: http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm This makes it easy for user to navigate various options. (4) Whenever someone does not follow or know the directions, do not get upset or make fun of users but simply ask "Why someone did such a thing?", you may have an anser. Thanks. Kirti Received: from tib.com (TESUQUE [12.21.237.250]) by tesuque.JASPER with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id S3NYHWW8; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:55:17 -0400 Received: from mail.inter7.com (68.78.194.73) by ZZYNET04 (MailMax 4. 8. 3. 0) with ESMTP id 40281704 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:53:48 -0400 EDT Received: (qmail 13860 invoked by uid 511); 8 Sep 2004 22:51:13 - Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 13852 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 2004 22:51:13 - From: Jeremy Kitchen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:50:47 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe -Original Message- From: Jeremy Kitchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe On Wednesday 08 September 2004 04:44 pm, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] please stop this madness. read the headers of every message sent to you by the mailing list to figure out how to unsubscribe. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen ++ Systems Administrator ++ Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ www.inter7.com ++ 866.528.3530 ++ 815.776.9465 int'l kitchen @ #qmail #gentoo on EFnet ++ scriptkitchen.com/qmail
Re: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 07:43 pm, Rainer Duffner wrote: > Am Do, den 09.09.2004 schrieb Jeremy Kitchen um 0:50: > > On Wednesday 08 September 2004 04:44 pm, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > please stop this madness. read the headers of every message sent to you > > by the mailing list to figure out how to unsubscribe. > > You'd think that people subscribing to a list about a > mailserver-management software would know how to read (let alone find) a > header. amen. > But the last time someone posted the above advice, the person in > question promptly asked how to find the header... scary. > It scares me to think that these people might actually run a mailserver. > Gives a whole new meaning to the joke about "on the internet, nobody > knows you're a dog", doesn't it ? hah. > Perhaps you could implement a filter that directs people wanting > subscribe with Outlook-clients to a web-page describing how to view the > header in various Outlook-variants. great :) > Then, before the subscription is approved, they have to fill out a > little multiple choice test I've always been a fan of having an "internet license" where you can't get an ISP without taking a short class on common sense and safe internet practices :) I guess not everyone can be helped. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen ++ Systems Administrator ++ Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ www.inter7.com ++ 866.528.3530 ++ 815.776.9465 int'l kitchen @ #qmail #gentoo on EFnet ++ scriptkitchen.com/qmail
Re: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe
Am Do, den 09.09.2004 schrieb Jeremy Kitchen um 0:50: > On Wednesday 08 September 2004 04:44 pm, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > please stop this madness. read the headers of every message sent to you by > the mailing list to figure out how to unsubscribe. You'd think that people subscribing to a list about a mailserver-management software would know how to read (let alone find) a header. But the last time someone posted the above advice, the person in question promptly asked how to find the header... It scares me to think that these people might actually run a mailserver. Gives a whole new meaning to the joke about "on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog", doesn't it ? Perhaps you could implement a filter that directs people wanting subscribe with Outlook-clients to a web-page describing how to view the header in various Outlook-variants. Then, before the subscription is approved, they have to fill out a little multiple choice test Rainer -- === ~ Rainer Duffner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~ Freising - Munich - Germany ~ ~Unix - Linux - BSD - OpenSource - Security ~ ~ http://www.ultra-secure.de/~rainer/pubkey.pgp ~ ===
Re: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 04:44 pm, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] please stop this madness. read the headers of every message sent to you by the mailing list to figure out how to unsubscribe. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen ++ Systems Administrator ++ Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ www.inter7.com ++ 866.528.3530 ++ 815.776.9465 int'l kitchen @ #qmail #gentoo on EFnet ++ scriptkitchen.com/qmail
RE: [vchkpw] Re: un-subscribe
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