Re: [vdr] 1080p ready VDR
Am Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:52:49 +0100 schrieb Sascha Vogt : > Gerald Dachs schrieb: > >>> There are also Mainboards with onboard Nvidia 9300 or 9400 GPU's. > >>> They also support VDPAU. > > For an AMD 4850e CPU you can use Boards with 8200/8300 GPUs. > > They are very similar to the 9300/9400 GPUs on Boards for > > Intel CPUs. VDPAU supports the 8200/8300 GPUs, but there > > is no official statement whether the codec VC-1 is supported. > It seems not. I found http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Vdpau which > says: > | VC-1 support in NVIDIA's VDPAU implementation currently requires > | GeForce 9300 GS, GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9300M GS, or GeForce > | 9300M GS I have read this thousand times at thousand places, but from time to time you can find things like this: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=56160&postcount=8 Gerald ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] 1080p ready VDR
Hi, Gerald Dachs schrieb: >>> There are also Mainboards with onboard Nvidia 9300 or 9400 GPU's. >>> They also support VDPAU. > For an AMD 4850e CPU you can use Boards with 8200/8300 GPUs. > They are very similar to the 9300/9400 GPUs on Boards for > Intel CPUs. VDPAU supports the 8200/8300 GPUs, but there > is no official statement whether the codec VC-1 is supported. It seems not. I found http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Vdpau which says: | VC-1 support in NVIDIA's VDPAU implementation currently requires | GeForce 9300 GS, GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9300M GS, or GeForce | 9300M GS And that's what I think to have read some days (maybe weeks) ago on some news site (heise.de or golem.de iirc) > Some users got it running, it seems. > A Board with this GPU will be my next, because there are no > 9300/9400 Boards with ATX-Form factor and 3 PCI-Slots. Yeah, I was suprised that there seem to be only 3 boards for the 9300/9400 chipsets (ASUS P5N7A-VM and MSI P7NGM-Digital for 9300 and Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H for 9400) and all of these are micro-ATX boards. Correction: Found XFX GeForce9300 as a 4th, anyway also µATX Greetings -Sascha- ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] 1080p ready VDR
> > There are also Mainboards with onboard Nvidia 9300 or 9400 GPU's. > > They also support VDPAU. > Hmm, sounds good. I'll search for some of them. For an AMD 4850e CPU you can use Boards with 8200/8300 GPUs. They are very similar to the 9300/9400 GPUs on Boards for Intel CPUs. VDPAU supports the 8200/8300 GPUs, but there is no official statement whether the codec VC-1 is supported. Some users got it running, it seems. A Board with this GPU will be my next, because there are no 9300/9400 Boards with ATX-Form factor and 3 PCI-Slots. Gerald ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] 1080p ready VDR
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:54:59 +0100 Sascha Vogt wrote: > Artem Makhutov schrieb: > > > You can also use a Nvidia Video card with VDPAU, which will do the > > decoding in hardware. Then then CPU-Load will be less then 10%, but > > this is currenly in development and does not work reliably right now. > > Using VDPAU you will be able to watch HDTV with a Atholon X2 4850e > > CPU. > As there are hardly any HD programs atm I think I'll go that way. I feel > much more comfortable with a NVIDIA anyway (all my other PCs have one > too). Hopefully that VDPAU will get stable soon (Soon as in till 2010). > Point is the 4850e has a TDP of 45 Watts which is much more easier too > cool than those "bigger" CPUs. I think that's a good idea. VDPAU may still be a bit too cutting edge for comfort, but support for it is bound to improve, and HD is still cutting edge in VDR in general (I haven't heard of anyone releasing a patch for the BBC HD audio pid problem yet). I chose a 4850e too. At first I tried ATI 3200 onboard graphics, like you thought of, but it was dreadful, very unstable with ATI's fglrx driver, while the open radeonhd driver doesn't even support Xv on it yet AFAICT. I replaced it with an NVidia 8200 based board. I think there's a performance problem with the 177 series nvidia driver on basic acceleration, but it's fine with Xv and OpenGL, stable, and hopefully the performance is fixed in 180. I haven't tried VDPAU yet. IME the 4850e can playback 720p H.264 quite easily, but can't manage 1080i from DVB. It might be trying to run a deinterlacing filter that pushes the demand over the limit. I'm quite disappointed that they standardised on 1080i, even for movies by the look of it, instead of 720p. -- TH * http://www.realh.co.uk ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] 1080p ready VDR
Hi, Artem Makhutov schrieb: > Take a look at: http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/HDTV I did that, but there it said a Athlon64 at 2 GHz is sufficient. But I think your example shows, that this isn't... > You can also use a Nvidia Video card with VDPAU, which will do the > decoding in hardware. Then then CPU-Load will be less then 10%, but > this is currenly in development and does not work reliably right now. > Using VDPAU you will be able to watch HDTV with a Atholon X2 4850e > CPU. As there are hardly any HD programs atm I think I'll go that way. I feel much more comfortable with a NVIDIA anyway (all my other PCs have one too). Hopefully that VDPAU will get stable soon (Soon as in till 2010). Point is the 4850e has a TDP of 45 Watts which is much more easier too cool than those "bigger" CPUs. > There are also Mainboards with onboard Nvidia 9300 or 9400 GPU's. > They also support VDPAU. Hmm, sounds good. I'll search for some of them. > To receive Arte HD you need a DVB-S2 card, like the TechnoTrend > S2-3200 or the Hauppauge HVR4000 because Arte HD is transmitted on > DVB-S2 and not DVB-S. I'm not an sat-expert. Do I need a special LNB for DVB-S2? Or is it only the card which makes the difference? In general, what has the overall better Linux support? TechnoTrend or Haupauge? (I try to support hardware vendors who care about their Linux users and I usually see a "WinTV"-label on all those Haupauge cards). Thx for those hints, that's at least something to start. Greetings -Sascha- ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] Playback stops when recording starts, vdr 1.6.0-2
Hello, I am not certain when it startet (i.e. this used to work in the past), but when I watch a vdr-recording (or dvd or whatever) and a recording on my TT-FF DVB-S card starts the playback stops. I am using vdr 1.6.0-2 with patches MainMenuHooks, vdr-jumpplay, pluginparam and liemikuutio applied. The kernel is 2.6.28-rc9 with current v4l-dvb mercurial snapshot. Does anyone observe the same behaviour? Kind regards Malte Schröder signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] 1080p ready VDR
Hi, On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:54:00PM +0100, Sascha Vogt wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new to this list and VDR in general, so if I'm missing some points > or habits of this list, please feel free to correct me. Welcome to the list ;) > I'm on the way of building a VDR. At the moment I'm searching for > hardware recommendations, but this seems to be a hard task. > > What I want my VDR to do: > - Playback of 1080p videos (e.g. the big buck bunny) > - Watching TV over DVB-S (normal and HD, e.g. AnixeHD) > - Recording of TV (should not be too "difficult" *g*) > - Playing music and films from my fileserver > > What I'm not sure about is: > - Full-featured or budget DVB card > - CPU requirements for HD playback > > > There was a quite silent PC recommendation, in a recent c't (german > computer magazine). They used an AMD Atholon X2 4850e on a GigaByte > MA78G-DS3H mainboard and got the whole system to be not louder than 0.4 > Sone. The graphic is an onboard ATI Radeon HD3200 with HDMI out. What do > you think? Is this sufficient for HD playback? And what about the DVB > card? Is a budget card ok? Take a look at: http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/HDTV There are 2 different ways how you could do this: 1. Use a Reel HDe card Use a Reel HDe card (http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Reel-HDe) for video output. This will offload you CPU and do the video decoding in hardware. 2. Use softdevice / xineliboutput Here you will do software decoding. Right now it is extremly CPU intensive. You need a at least Dual-Core CPU with 3000+ MHz. I can watch Arte HD with my Athlon X2 6000+ with a CPU load of ~90%. You can also use a Nvidia Video card with VDPAU, which will do the decoding in hardware. Then then CPU-Load will be less then 10%, but this is currenly in development and does not work reliably right now. Using VDPAU you will be able to watch HDTV with a Atholon X2 4850e CPU. There are also Mainboards with onboard Nvidia 9300 or 9400 GPU's. They also support VDPAU. The ATI cards can also do video decoding in hardware, but this is currently not working with linux at all, so I would recommend you to get a mainboard with an onboard Nvidia GPU. To receive Arte HD you need a DVB-S2 card, like the TechnoTrend S2-3200 or the Hauppauge HVR4000 because Arte HD is transmitted on DVB-S2 and not DVB-S. Regards, Artem ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] How to setup VDR to receive from multiple satellites?
Hi, On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:39:05PM +0200, Alex Betis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Artem Makhutov wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I would like to setup VDR to receive from 2 different sattelites. > > > > Currently I have 3 DVB-S cards in my VDR box, and all are connected > > to a single dish pointing to astra 19.2E. > > What LNBs do you have on those dishes? If all of them have single output > LNBs than you're probably causing problem. > All cards provide voltage/current for LNB to work, so now your LNB gets 3x > times more current than needed. > Also, I'm not sure what happen when one card tries to tune on vertical > transponder, while another will try to tune on horizontal transponder. One > of them will not succeed for sure. > > > > I have installed a second dish pointing to Sirius 4.8E and would like > > to connect this dish to VDR. > > > > Is it possible to connect one of the DVB-S cards directly to the > > second dish and setup VDR somehow to use this one DVB-S card only > > to receive channels from Sirius and not trying to use it to tune to > > Astra channels? > > Don't know. I use Diseqc > > > Later on I would like to install one Diseqc switch, so that one of > > the cards can switch between the two sattelites. Is this possible > > with only one Diseqc switch, or must I use 3 Diseqc switches and > > connect all of my DVB-S cards to the two dishes? > > Normal installation would be to connect your 2 dishes (actually LNBs) to > diseqc inputs and feed disecq output to your card. > If you want to have more than 1 card to record multiple programs at the same > time, you'll need LNBs with multiple outputs where several diseqs should be > connected to outputs from different LNBs and outputs from every diseqc > should be connected to different cards. Thanks for you answer. But I was was actually looking for the Sourcecaps patch. Best regards, Artem ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] 1080p ready VDR
Hi all, I'm new to this list and VDR in general, so if I'm missing some points or habits of this list, please feel free to correct me. I'm on the way of building a VDR. At the moment I'm searching for hardware recommendations, but this seems to be a hard task. What I want my VDR to do: - Playback of 1080p videos (e.g. the big buck bunny) - Watching TV over DVB-S (normal and HD, e.g. AnixeHD) - Recording of TV (should not be too "difficult" *g*) - Playing music and films from my fileserver What I'm not sure about is: - Full-featured or budget DVB card - CPU requirements for HD playback There was a quite silent PC recommendation, in a recent c't (german computer magazine). They used an AMD Atholon X2 4850e on a GigaByte MA78G-DS3H mainboard and got the whole system to be not louder than 0.4 Sone. The graphic is an onboard ATI Radeon HD3200 with HDMI out. What do you think? Is this sufficient for HD playback? And what about the DVB card? Is a budget card ok? Greetings -Sascha- ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] How to setup VDR to receive from multiple satellites?
Hi, On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:42:15PM +0100, Oleg Roitburd wrote: > 2008/12/25 Artem Makhutov : > > Hello, > > > > I would like to setup VDR to receive from 2 different sattelites. > > > > Currently I have 3 DVB-S cards in my VDR box, and all are connected > > to a single dish pointing to astra 19.2E. > > > > I have installed a second dish pointing to Sirius 4.8E and would like > > to connect this dish to VDR. > > > > Is it possible to connect one of the DVB-S cards directly to the > > second dish and setup VDR somehow to use this one DVB-S card only > > to receive channels from Sirius and not trying to use it to tune to > > Astra channels? > > > > Later on I would like to install one Diseqc switch, so that one of > > the cards can switch between the two sattelites. Is this possible > > with only one Diseqc switch, or must I use 3 Diseqc switches and > > connect all of my DVB-S cards to the two dishes? > > Take a look at SourceCaps patch Ahh, thanks a lot, that is exacly what I was looking for. Thanks, Artem ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] How to setup VDR to receive from multiple satellites?
2008/12/25 Artem Makhutov : > Hello, > > I would like to setup VDR to receive from 2 different sattelites. > > Currently I have 3 DVB-S cards in my VDR box, and all are connected > to a single dish pointing to astra 19.2E. > > I have installed a second dish pointing to Sirius 4.8E and would like > to connect this dish to VDR. > > Is it possible to connect one of the DVB-S cards directly to the > second dish and setup VDR somehow to use this one DVB-S card only > to receive channels from Sirius and not trying to use it to tune to > Astra channels? > > Later on I would like to install one Diseqc switch, so that one of > the cards can switch between the two sattelites. Is this possible > with only one Diseqc switch, or must I use 3 Diseqc switches and > connect all of my DVB-S cards to the two dishes? Take a look at SourceCaps patch Regards Oleg Roitburd ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] How to setup VDR to receive from multiple satellites?
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Artem Makhutov wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to setup VDR to receive from 2 different sattelites. > > Currently I have 3 DVB-S cards in my VDR box, and all are connected > to a single dish pointing to astra 19.2E. What LNBs do you have on those dishes? If all of them have single output LNBs than you're probably causing problem. All cards provide voltage/current for LNB to work, so now your LNB gets 3x times more current than needed. Also, I'm not sure what happen when one card tries to tune on vertical transponder, while another will try to tune on horizontal transponder. One of them will not succeed for sure. > I have installed a second dish pointing to Sirius 4.8E and would like > to connect this dish to VDR. > > Is it possible to connect one of the DVB-S cards directly to the > second dish and setup VDR somehow to use this one DVB-S card only > to receive channels from Sirius and not trying to use it to tune to > Astra channels? Don't know. I use Diseqc > > > Later on I would like to install one Diseqc switch, so that one of > the cards can switch between the two sattelites. Is this possible > with only one Diseqc switch, or must I use 3 Diseqc switches and > connect all of my DVB-S cards to the two dishes? Normal installation would be to connect your 2 dishes (actually LNBs) to diseqc inputs and feed disecq output to your card. If you want to have more than 1 card to record multiple programs at the same time, you'll need LNBs with multiple outputs where several diseqs should be connected to outputs from different LNBs and outputs from every diseqc should be connected to different cards. > > > Thanks, Artem > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] How to setup VDR to receive from multiple satellites?
Hello, I would like to setup VDR to receive from 2 different sattelites. Currently I have 3 DVB-S cards in my VDR box, and all are connected to a single dish pointing to astra 19.2E. I have installed a second dish pointing to Sirius 4.8E and would like to connect this dish to VDR. Is it possible to connect one of the DVB-S cards directly to the second dish and setup VDR somehow to use this one DVB-S card only to receive channels from Sirius and not trying to use it to tune to Astra channels? Later on I would like to install one Diseqc switch, so that one of the cards can switch between the two sattelites. Is this possible with only one Diseqc switch, or must I use 3 Diseqc switches and connect all of my DVB-S cards to the two dishes? Thanks, Artem ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] S2API wrapper patch 0.5 for VDR-1.7.2
Hi list, I've released the successor of the Multiproto dvb api wrapper patch. As its predecessor, the patch allows VDR-1.7.2 to be run on kernels without S2API support by wrapping S2API calls to old API calls. Behavior can be configured in Make.config again: DEFINES += -DDVB_S2API_RUNTIME=1 enables the runtime detection (default) (NOT YET WORKING!) DEFINES += -DDVB_S2API_RUNTIME=0 disables the runtime detection DEFINES += -DDVB_S2API_WRAPPER=1 enables the API wrapper (default on old DVB headers and if runtime detection is enabled) DEFINES += -DDVB_S2API_WRAPPER=0 disables wrapper and runtime detection. Can be used to compile S2API without proper DVB headers. (default on new DVB headers and runtime detection disabled) Auto-detection will be back as soon as I know of a working mechanism to detect the presence of S2API drivers. Get it: http://www.udo-richter.de/vdr/patches.en.html#dvb-api-wrapper http://www.udo-richter.de/vdr/patches.html#dvb-api-wrapper Cheers, Udo ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
