Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 11:34:14AM +0200, Steffen Barszus wrote: > Another thing: Will it have a proper framebuffer ? I mean the main > problem of the current FF cards is that you can't do a lot of things > because of the very limited OSD. ScumVM etc pp would be a really nice > thing. The OSD framebuffer (RGBA) is accessible over PCI, but I don't know if acceleration functions will work outside the embedded system. We are planing to write a small fb-driver (shouldn't be that hard, as a direct mmap() already works). -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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Georg Acher schrieb [ ... snip ... ] >Well, you don't have to buy the card if you would wake up in cold sweat >every once in a while because of the small binary-only part in the kernel. > >But IMO you can wait until the end of time for a full open source HDTV card >with HDMI output. If you have the time... ;-) > > > Agreed on all your points. In the end the "firmware" of this card is more open then the one of the Nowadays common FF cards - so what ? I'm caring only for two things at the moment: 1.) That the card comes and can also be bought 2.) That the card fits into my budget (That i can and want to pay it) To my understanding its just about feeding the stream into the card. Another thing: Will it have a proper framebuffer ? I mean the main problem of the current FF cards is that you can't do a lot of things because of the very limited OSD. ScumVM etc pp would be a really nice thing. Just my two cents - Steffen ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 08:29:19PM +0200, Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: > Georg Acher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 1) Don't use a HDMI transmitter and ignore the market demand. > > the market never "demanded" an encrypted data stream on the HDMI cable, >From a technical view this is right, but with just a component output you can't sell a HDTV decoder card nowadays. And HDMI is not only about encryption but also contains audio encapsulation. And that is an argument for HDMI vs. DVI... HDCP on a open Linux system is useless anyway. > and it is clearly the only reason they are picky about their secrets > within that driver. THEY want their chips be supported in linux The driver contains not much more than you would get with I2C-snooping. But if you want to buy the chip, you need to sign the NDA first... > because that means they get an stable and well performing OS at zero > cost for their embedded designes what makes these chips sell better. So what? Wasn't it idea of free Software to get it without paying for it? Or is there a newly inserted paragraph about hardware vendors to pay something if they use free SW? > hardware venders should start to obey to the rules of the game, when > they want our money. Overall, all this (IMO useless) discussion is only about the HDMI driver part which is currently (accidently) implemented in the kernel. I can't see that it's getting any "better" from an OSS standpoint when it's a closed-source user space program. Get real... The usual practical "anti-binary" arguments for a PC platform (new mainboard requires new kernel) don't count here, it's an embedded system. You can't simply switch the kernel anyway, as it has many additions for the V4L-stuff. > > 2) Use a HDMI transmitter, care about the NDA and deliver binary > > modules for controlling it. > > why not use [Free|Net|Open]BSD on the card? that whould not mean the > consumer has any advantage but at least no license violation happens. Well, you don't have to buy the card if you would wake up in cold sweat every once in a while because of the small binary-only part in the kernel. But IMO you can wait until the end of time for a full open source HDTV card with HDMI output. If you have the time... ;-) -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia
Georg Acher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) Don't use a HDMI transmitter and ignore the market demand. the market never "demanded" an encrypted data stream on the HDMI cable, and it is clearly the only reason they are picky about their secrets within that driver. THEY want their chips be supported in linux because that means they get an stable and well performing OS at zero cost for their embedded designes what makes these chips sell better. hardware venders should start to obey to the rules of the game, when they want our money. > 2) Use a HDMI transmitter, care about the NDA and deliver binary > modules for controlling it. why not use [Free|Net|Open]BSD on the card? that whould not mean the consumer has any advantage but at least no license violation happens. best regards ... clemens ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 30 Jun 2007, at 14:44, Georg Acher wrote: As a small hardware manufacturer you have three possibilities: 1) Don't use a HDMI transmitter and ignore the market demand. 2) Use a HDMI transmitter, care about the NDA and deliver binary modules for controlling it. 3) Use a HDMI transmitter, publish the controlling code and pay a contract penalty of a few million $. 4) put the HDMI code in user space. -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 01:05:18PM +0200, Stefan Lucke wrote: > > Actually there's not much closed source that affects the usage. On the PC > > side there's none, on the card side it's only the driver for the HDMI-chip > > in the kernel > > Damm, that's the nvidia way. > > They decide on which kernel it runs. If I need for some other device > a different kernel which they don't / won't support, I'm left alone. It does not affect the kernel of the host system, so don't overreact... > To my opinion that is a nogo way. Your opinion... From the outside it's easy to say that everything must be open source... As a small hardware manufacturer you have three possibilities: 1) Don't use a HDMI transmitter and ignore the market demand. 2) Use a HDMI transmitter, care about the NDA and deliver binary modules for controlling it. 3) Use a HDMI transmitter, publish the controlling code and pay a contract penalty of a few million $. -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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I demand that Torgeir Veimo may or may not have written... [snip] > When some parts of the kernel becomes gpl3, which it might, That can't usefully happen so long as there are GPLv2-only components: there would be no common licence for the whole kernel, which would make it undistributable without splitting it up. Also, I don't believe that code which isn't licensed under GPLv2 will be accepted anyway... [snip] -- | Darren Salt| linux or ds at | nr. Ashington, | Toon | RISC OS, Linux | youmustbejoking,demon,co,uk | Northumberland | Army | + At least 4000 million too many people. POPULATION LEVEL IS UNSUSTAINABLE. Who cares anyway? ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 01:29:23PM +0200, Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: > Anssi Hannula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If I understood correctly, you only need proprietary parts for the > > kernel that runs *in* the card. The kernel running on your actual > > system does not need proprietary parts, leaving you free to use a > > different kernel. > > yes, but as there is linux also running "on" the card the GPL applies > there as well. what if i want to change that? Then you are loosing the HDMI output capability... I'm also unhappy with that issue and I don't understand why it has to be a kernel module at all. But for now it's built that way. -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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Anssi Hannula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I understood correctly, you only need proprietary parts for the > kernel that runs *in* the card. The kernel running on your actual > system does not need proprietary parts, leaving you free to use a > different kernel. yes, but as there is linux also running "on" the card the GPL applies there as well. what if i want to change that? clemens ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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Stefan Lucke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They decide on which kernel it runs. If I need for some other device > a different kernel which they don't / won't support, I'm left alone. that's exactly what the GPL tries to prevent. > To my opinion that is a nogo way. > I doubt if that's compatible with GPL. i agree, binary only kernel modules do violate the GPL. unfortunatly many vendors get away with it. best regards ... clemens ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 30 Jun 2007, at 12:17, Anssi Hannula wrote: If I understood correctly, you only need proprietary parts for the kernel that runs *in* the card. The kernel running on your actual system does not need proprietary parts, leaving you free to use a different kernel. The binary provision for drivers is a bit vague at best When some parts of the kernel becomes gpl3, which it might, distributing binary drivers for the kernel will no longer be allowed. Sigma Designs work around this by having their binary parts running as user space programs. -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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Stefan Lucke wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 18:24, Georg Acher wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:21:45AM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: >> >>> I checked out the latest Reelbox testing svn code and browsed the code to >>> see if it supports this device. I didn't look too thoroughly but it appears >>> the reelbox-0.9.0 plugin does support it. It looks like communication to >>> the kernel space driver is done through shared memory and I did see some >>> kernel space code to create this shared memory device (/dev/hdshmem). I'm >>> sure there is a closed source firmware or kernel module that is also used >>> but since Reelbox is based on vdr this shouldn't be too much of a problem. >> Actually there's not much closed source that affects the usage. On the PC >> side there's none, on the card side it's only the driver for the HDMI-chip >> in the kernel > > Damm, that's the nvidia way. > > They decide on which kernel it runs. If I need for some other device > a different kernel which they don't / won't support, I'm left alone. If I understood correctly, you only need proprietary parts for the kernel that runs *in* the card. The kernel running on your actual system does not need proprietary parts, leaving you free to use a different kernel. > To my opinion that is a nogo way. > I doubt if that's compatible with GPL. > >> (otherwise Silicon Image would shoot us) and of course the >> firmwares for the internal audio/video-coprocessors (delivered by Micronas). -- Anssi Hannula ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Friday 29 June 2007 18:24, Georg Acher wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:21:45AM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: > > > I checked out the latest Reelbox testing svn code and browsed the code to > > see if it supports this device. I didn't look too thoroughly but it appears > > the reelbox-0.9.0 plugin does support it. It looks like communication to > > the kernel space driver is done through shared memory and I did see some > > kernel space code to create this shared memory device (/dev/hdshmem). I'm > > sure there is a closed source firmware or kernel module that is also used > > but since Reelbox is based on vdr this shouldn't be too much of a problem. > > Actually there's not much closed source that affects the usage. On the PC > side there's none, on the card side it's only the driver for the HDMI-chip > in the kernel Damm, that's the nvidia way. They decide on which kernel it runs. If I need for some other device a different kernel which they don't / won't support, I'm left alone. To my opinion that is a nogo way. I doubt if that's compatible with GPL. > (otherwise Silicon Image would shoot us) and of course the > firmwares for the internal audio/video-coprocessors (delivered by Micronas). -- Stefan Lucke ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia
Georg Acher wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:21:45AM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: > >> I checked out the latest Reelbox testing svn code and browsed the code to >> see if it supports this device. I didn't look too thoroughly but it appears >> the reelbox-0.9.0 plugin does support it. It looks like communication to >> the kernel space driver is done through shared memory and I did see some >> kernel space code to create this shared memory device (/dev/hdshmem). I'm >> sure there is a closed source firmware or kernel module that is also used >> but since Reelbox is based on vdr this shouldn't be too much of a problem. > > Actually there's not much closed source that affects the usage. On the PC > side there's none, That is great :) > on the card side it's only the driver for the HDMI-chip > in the kernel (otherwise Silicon Image would shoot us) and of course the > firmwares for the internal audio/video-coprocessors (delivered by Micronas). Well, dvb-ttpci microcode is completely closed, so it is no better in this regard. I don't think having non-free microcode is going to be a problem. -- Anssi Hannula ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 29 Jun 2007, at 20:55, Torgeir Veimo wrote: bluetooth ˆMˆMˆMˆMˆMˆMray -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 29 Jun 2007, at 17:24, Georg Acher wrote: Actually there's not much closed source that affects the usage. On the PC side there's none, on the card side it's only the driver for the HDMI-chip in the kernel (otherwise Silicon Image would shoot us) and of course the firmwares for the internal audio/video-coprocessors (delivered by Micronas). What's important for me (and I assume a lot of others), is that it decodes any potentially codec in use for dvb-s/c/t and hd-dvd/ bluetooth (mpeg2/4, h.264 and vc-1), and that it allows output in 480i/p, 720p, 1080i/p, both in 48fps, 50fps and 60fps. If it does all this and provides a judder free, tearing free picture, and can reclock it's output to match the input stream rate, then I'm pretty sure we have a winner at hand. And I would be glad to pay £200 for such a solution if it does all of the above and works with open source software. I guess I have to wait to see what becomes available... -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 29 Jun 2007, at 16:21, Jeremy Jones wrote: On 6/29/07, Torgeir Veimo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:35, Georg Acher wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:45:12PM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4 decoder with HDMI and this sounds promising :-) Availability not earlier than August/September, the price isn't fixed yet. There is other hardware that does mpeg2/4/h.264 decoding, the lacking piece is always proper open source drivers. Do you have any links/info for such cards ? Well, the new generation of graphics card from nvidia and ati/amd does h.264 decoding in hardware and have HDMI output. There's just no OS drivers for them. -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:21:45AM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: > I checked out the latest Reelbox testing svn code and browsed the code to > see if it supports this device. I didn't look too thoroughly but it appears > the reelbox-0.9.0 plugin does support it. It looks like communication to > the kernel space driver is done through shared memory and I did see some > kernel space code to create this shared memory device (/dev/hdshmem). I'm > sure there is a closed source firmware or kernel module that is also used > but since Reelbox is based on vdr this shouldn't be too much of a problem. Actually there's not much closed source that affects the usage. On the PC side there's none, on the card side it's only the driver for the HDMI-chip in the kernel (otherwise Silicon Image would shoot us) and of course the firmwares for the internal audio/video-coprocessors (delivered by Micronas). The Linux on the card is a busybox-based MIPS-Linux. In the card itself the video stuff is done over a modified V4L2. We choose not to expose this API into the PC, as it would require too much kernel hacking. Instead there's only the shared memory abstraction with very little kernel code and a FIFO-channel implementation on top of it. The video player just uses this comunication and streams raw TS over such a channel. As there is also a IP network connection over the shm, you can telnet into the card, mount NFS or stream directly from an application running on the MIPS (with a little overhead, but it's good enough for >5MB/s). -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia
On 6/29/07, Torgeir Veimo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:35, Georg Acher wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:45:12PM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4 decoder with HDMI and this sounds promising :-) Availability not earlier than August/September, the price isn't fixed yet. There is other hardware that does mpeg2/4/h.264 decoding, the lacking piece is always proper open source drivers. Do you have any links/info for such cards ? Will this hardware have open source drivers / open specifications? I checked out the latest Reelbox testing svn code and browsed the code to see if it supports this device. I didn't look too thoroughly but it appears the reelbox-0.9.0 plugin does support it. It looks like communication to the kernel space driver is done through shared memory and I did see some kernel space code to create this shared memory device (/dev/hdshmem). I'm sure there is a closed source firmware or kernel module that is also used but since Reelbox is based on vdr this shouldn't be too much of a problem. Brian ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:13:53PM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > Is this the card in question? > http://www.directupload.net/images/070503/CjsyApL2.jpg It is. -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:51, Georg Acher wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:47:58AM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: There is other hardware that does mpeg2/4/h.264 decoding, the lacking piece is always proper open source drivers. Will this hardware have open source drivers / open specifications? With a few exceptions (eg the driver for the HDMI chip) it will be open source. Actually, there's a Linux running on the card... Is this the card in question? http://www.directupload.net/images/ 070503/CjsyApL2.jpg -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:51, Georg Acher wrote: With a few exceptions (eg the driver for the HDMI chip) it will be open source. Actually, there's a Linux running on the card... Ok. Does the card have only HDMI output, or also other, eg. component or DVI? Would it be possible to use it without using the HDMI output in that case? -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:47:58AM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > There is other hardware that does mpeg2/4/h.264 decoding, the lacking > piece is always proper open source drivers. > > Will this hardware have open source drivers / open specifications? With a few exceptions (eg the driver for the HDMI chip) it will be open source. Actually, there's a Linux running on the card... -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:35, Georg Acher wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:45:12PM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4 decoder with HDMI and this sounds promising :-) Availability not earlier than August/September, the price isn't fixed yet. There is other hardware that does mpeg2/4/h.264 decoding, the lacking piece is always proper open source drivers. Will this hardware have open source drivers / open specifications? -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:45:12PM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: > Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI > card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4 decoder with HDMI > and this sounds promising :-) Availability not earlier than August/September, the price isn't fixed yet. -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Friday 29 June 2007 07:45, Jeremy Jones wrote: > On 6/27/07, Georg Acher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:17:03PM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > > > On 27 Jun 2007, at 20:51, Igor wrote: > > > >Hello > > > > > > > >http://reel-multimedia.com/rmm-english/netceiver.html > > > >here's a good platform for future hdtv-vdr > > > >Are you agree ? :) > > > > > > Well, what's missing there is info about the "1x extra PCI slot for > > > HD-Decoder-Card". Having a PCI decoder for mpeg2/4/h.264 would be > > > fine, unles it's actually a mini-pci card that only works with reels > > > netceiver external tuner hardware. > > > > The HDTV decoder card in PCI format will be first used for the Reelbox > > Avantgarde (based on a Mini-ITX-PC). The usage in the NetCeiver itself in > > a > > PC-less combo is planned, but I don't think a vdr can run on that > > platform without serious restrictions. For example, the NetCeiver with > > its current firmware has no real DVB-API, as the CPU has nothing to do > > with the TS streaming, it only controls the tuners. The rest (filtering > > and network encapsulation) is done in the hardware. So it will be more a > > small STB application without bells and whistles,. > > > > But the chances are high that the HD card (running with the Micronas > > DeCypher) will be seperately available. As the Reelbox uses vdr, Linux > > drivers for the HD card and the NetCeiver (a DVB-API emulation and a vdr > > plugin with more features) will be there from the start. > > Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI > card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4 decoder with > HDMI and this sounds promising :-) > > Thanks, > Brian See http://www.vdr-portal.de/board/thread.php?threadid=45922 . I'm waiting for it, but no info is available for some time. Maybe someone has any news? Regards, Ales ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 6/27/07, Georg Acher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:17:03PM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > > On 27 Jun 2007, at 20:51, Igor wrote: > > >Hello > > > >http://reel-multimedia.com/rmm-english/netceiver.html > >here's a good platform for future hdtv-vdr > >Are you agree ? :) > > Well, what's missing there is info about the "1x extra PCI slot for > HD-Decoder-Card". Having a PCI decoder for mpeg2/4/h.264 would be > fine, unles it's actually a mini-pci card that only works with reels > netceiver external tuner hardware. The HDTV decoder card in PCI format will be first used for the Reelbox Avantgarde (based on a Mini-ITX-PC). The usage in the NetCeiver itself in a PC-less combo is planned, but I don't think a vdr can run on that platform without serious restrictions. For example, the NetCeiver with its current firmware has no real DVB-API, as the CPU has nothing to do with the TS streaming, it only controls the tuners. The rest (filtering and network encapsulation) is done in the hardware. So it will be more a small STB application without bells and whistles,. But the chances are high that the HD card (running with the Micronas DeCypher) will be seperately available. As the Reelbox uses vdr, Linux drivers for the HD card and the NetCeiver (a DVB-API emulation and a vdr plugin with more features) will be there from the start. Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4 decoder with HDMI and this sounds promising :-) Thanks, Brian ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:17:03PM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > > On 27 Jun 2007, at 20:51, Igor wrote: > > >Hello > > > >http://reel-multimedia.com/rmm-english/netceiver.html > >here's a good platform for future hdtv-vdr > >Are you agree ? :) > > Well, what's missing there is info about the "1x extra PCI slot for > HD-Decoder-Card". Having a PCI decoder for mpeg2/4/h.264 would be > fine, unles it's actually a mini-pci card that only works with reels > netceiver external tuner hardware. The HDTV decoder card in PCI format will be first used for the Reelbox Avantgarde (based on a Mini-ITX-PC). The usage in the NetCeiver itself in a PC-less combo is planned, but I don't think a vdr can run on that platform without serious restrictions. For example, the NetCeiver with its current firmware has no real DVB-API, as the CPU has nothing to do with the TS streaming, it only controls the tuners. The rest (filtering and network encapsulation) is done in the hardware. So it will be more a small STB application without bells and whistles,. But the chances are high that the HD card (running with the Micronas DeCypher) will be seperately available. As the Reelbox uses vdr, Linux drivers for the HD card and the NetCeiver (a DVB-API emulation and a vdr plugin with more features) will be there from the start. -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
