Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-07-01 Thread Steffen Barszus
Georg Acher schrieb [ ... snip ... ] Well, you don't have to buy the card if you would wake up in cold sweat every once in a while because of the small binary-only part in the kernel. But IMO you can wait until the end of time for a full open source HDTV card with HDMI output. If you have the

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-07-01 Thread Georg Acher
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 11:34:14AM +0200, Steffen Barszus wrote: Another thing: Will it have a proper framebuffer ? I mean the main problem of the current FF cards is that you can't do a lot of things because of the very limited OSD. ScumVM etc pp would be a really nice thing. The OSD

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Stefan Lucke
On Friday 29 June 2007 18:24, Georg Acher wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:21:45AM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: I checked out the latest Reelbox testing svn code and browsed the code to see if it supports this device. I didn't look too thoroughly but it appears the reelbox-0.9.0 plugin

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 30 Jun 2007, at 12:17, Anssi Hannula wrote: If I understood correctly, you only need proprietary parts for the kernel that runs *in* the card. The kernel running on your actual system does not need proprietary parts, leaving you free to use a different kernel. The binary provision for

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Stefan Lucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They decide on which kernel it runs. If I need for some other device a different kernel which they don't / won't support, I'm left alone. that's exactly what the GPL tries to prevent. To my opinion that is a nogo way. I doubt if that's compatible with

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Anssi Hannula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I understood correctly, you only need proprietary parts for the kernel that runs *in* the card. The kernel running on your actual system does not need proprietary parts, leaving you free to use a different kernel. yes, but as there is linux also

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Georg Acher
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 01:29:23PM +0200, Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: Anssi Hannula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I understood correctly, you only need proprietary parts for the kernel that runs *in* the card. The kernel running on your actual system does not need proprietary parts,

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Torgeir Veimo may or may not have written... [snip] When some parts of the kernel becomes gpl3, which it might, That can't usefully happen so long as there are GPLv2-only components: there would be no common licence for the whole kernel, which would make it undistributable without

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Georg Acher
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 01:05:18PM +0200, Stefan Lucke wrote: Actually there's not much closed source that affects the usage. On the PC side there's none, on the card side it's only the driver for the HDMI-chip in the kernel Damm, that's the nvidia way. They decide on which kernel

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 30 Jun 2007, at 14:44, Georg Acher wrote: As a small hardware manufacturer you have three possibilities: 1) Don't use a HDMI transmitter and ignore the market demand. 2) Use a HDMI transmitter, care about the NDA and deliver binary modules for controlling it. 3) Use a HDMI transmitter,

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Georg Acher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Don't use a HDMI transmitter and ignore the market demand. the market never demanded an encrypted data stream on the HDMI cable, and it is clearly the only reason they are picky about their secrets within that driver. THEY want their chips be supported in

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-30 Thread Georg Acher
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 08:29:19PM +0200, Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: Georg Acher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Don't use a HDMI transmitter and ignore the market demand. the market never demanded an encrypted data stream on the HDMI cable, From a technical view this is right, but with

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Ales Jurik
On Friday 29 June 2007 07:45, Jeremy Jones wrote: On 6/27/07, Georg Acher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:17:03PM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: On 27 Jun 2007, at 20:51, Igor wrote: Hello http://reel-multimedia.com/rmm-english/netceiver.html here's a good

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Georg Acher
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:45:12PM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4 decoder with HDMI and this sounds promising :-) Availability not earlier than August/September,

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:35, Georg Acher wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:45:12PM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4 decoder with HDMI and this sounds promising :-)

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Georg Acher
On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:47:58AM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: There is other hardware that does mpeg2/4/h.264 decoding, the lacking piece is always proper open source drivers. Will this hardware have open source drivers / open specifications? With a few exceptions (eg the driver for the

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:51, Georg Acher wrote: With a few exceptions (eg the driver for the HDMI chip) it will be open source. Actually, there's a Linux running on the card... Ok. Does the card have only HDMI output, or also other, eg. component or DVI? Would it be possible to use it

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:51, Georg Acher wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:47:58AM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: There is other hardware that does mpeg2/4/h.264 decoding, the lacking piece is always proper open source drivers. Will this hardware have open source drivers / open specifications?

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Georg Acher
On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:13:53PM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: Is this the card in question? http://www.directupload.net/images/070503/CjsyApL2.jpg It is. -- Georg Acher, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher Oh no, not again ! The bowl of petunias

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Jeremy Jones
On 6/29/07, Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Jun 2007, at 10:35, Georg Acher wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:45:12PM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: Is there any information regarding availability or pricing on the HDTV PCI card ? I have been waiting a long time for an HD MPEG-2/4

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 29 Jun 2007, at 17:24, Georg Acher wrote: Actually there's not much closed source that affects the usage. On the PC side there's none, on the card side it's only the driver for the HDMI-chip in the kernel (otherwise Silicon Image would shoot us) and of course the firmwares for the

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On 29 Jun 2007, at 20:55, Torgeir Veimo wrote: bluetooth ˆMˆMˆMˆMˆMˆMray -- Torgeir Veimo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-29 Thread Anssi Hannula
Georg Acher wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:21:45AM -0700, Jeremy Jones wrote: I checked out the latest Reelbox testing svn code and browsed the code to see if it supports this device. I didn't look too thoroughly but it appears the reelbox-0.9.0 plugin does support it. It looks like

Re: [vdr] future VDR and Net??eiver OEM from Reelmultimedia

2007-06-28 Thread Jeremy Jones
On 6/27/07, Georg Acher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:17:03PM +0100, Torgeir Veimo wrote: On 27 Jun 2007, at 20:51, Igor wrote: Hello http://reel-multimedia.com/rmm-english/netceiver.html here's a good platform for future hdtv-vdr Are you agree ? :) Well, what's