Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups on DataDomain.
Hi, Our setup is like this OS = Sun Solaris 10, NBU = 6.5.6, Master Server = 01, Media Server = 06 Tape Library = Storage Tek SL8500, Shared Storage Option = Yes, How to configure in NDMP so that the all media server's can see the filer. ___ Harpreet Singh Chana Sr. Backup Administrator ___ From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Anurag Sharma Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 1:10 AM To: veritas-bu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups on DataDomain. Thank You David/Brayan E/Greg/rsavage, Thanks for you feedback, I'm back with my results. We will be backing up NDMP data using remote ndmp to a datadomain ost I compared and found out I'm getting 300GB backed up in 1 hour at the rate 75000 KB/sec which is much better than local ndmp where we were getting more 13mb/sec. Few important points to be considered When backing up to the DD device make sure you explicitly set maximum concurrent jobs not more then 150/- (MAX is 180) While adding the ndmp host to netbackup 7.1 try using command prompt instead of GUI for some reason it was not working with GUI in my case Best regards Anurag Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:53:36 -0600 From: da...@stanaway.net To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups on DataDomain. You can do NDMP backups to OST via LAN transport to the media server. All you need to do is setup your ndmp credentials in NBU and on your NAS device. At least this worked for me with a VNX-File NDMP backup. If you want to transport NDMP backups via SAN to the DATADOMAIN, then you would need the VTL license/HBA on the datadomain. On 1/3/2012 2:28 PM, Anurag Sharma wrote: Hi Team, I have been given this task to move the NDMP backups from one master server to another. The current master server backups up NDMP to CDL (Clariion Disk Libraries) typical environment via SAN. Now the new master server has no TL/VTL/CDL its just has Datadomain used as netbackup openstorage device. Now my question is this . Do I have to procure VTL license from DATADOMAIN in order to do NDMP backups ? If I do NDMP backups to Datadomain open storage device will it have any performance implications ? Another point that crossed my mind is this : openstorage backups would be via LAN not via SAN would that reduce the speed of ndmp backups to great levels ? Anyone who has implement Netbackup NDMP backups on Datadomain please provide me with their valueable inputs. Regards Anurag ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Legal Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups on DataDomain.
Thank You David/Brayan E/Greg/rsavage, Thanks for you feedback, I'm back with my results. We will be backing up NDMP data using remote ndmp to a datadomain ost I compared and found out I'm getting 300GB backed up in 1 hour at the rate 75000 KB/sec which is much better than local ndmp where we were getting more 13mb/sec. Few important points to be considered When backing up to the DD device make sure you explicitly set maximum concurrent jobs not more then 150/- (MAX is 180) While adding the ndmp host to netbackup 7.1 try using command prompt instead of GUI for some reason it was not working with GUI in my case Best regards Anurag Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:53:36 -0600 From: da...@stanaway.net To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups on DataDomain. You can do NDMP backups to OST via LAN transport to the media server. All you need to do is setup your ndmp credentials in NBU and on your NAS device. At least this worked for me with a VNX-File NDMP backup. If you want to transport NDMP backups via SAN to the DATADOMAIN, then you would need the VTL license/HBA on the datadomain. On 1/3/2012 2:28 PM, Anurag Sharma wrote: Hi Team, I have been given this task to move the NDMP backups from one master server to another. The current master server backups up NDMP to CDL (Clariion Disk Libraries) typical environment via SAN. Now the new master server has no TL/VTL/CDL its just has Datadomain used as netbackup openstorage device. Now my question is this . Do I have to procure VTL license from DATADOMAIN in order to do NDMP backups ? If I do NDMP backups to Datadomain open storage device will it have any performance implications ? Another point that crossed my mind is this : openstorage backups would be via LAN not via SAN would that reduce the speed of ndmp backups to great levels ? Anyone who has implement Netbackup NDMP backups on Datadomain please provide me with their valueable inputs. Regards Anurag ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups on DataDomain.
i just tested this senario. NDMP to a DD670 over the network. All I had to do is have a valid license key for Netbackup. Set up a NDMP user on the VNX5700, set up the NDMP backup policy in Symantec/Vertias. Our File share was on a VNX5700 Our master/media was windows 2003 x64 7.0.1 Our Data domain appliance was dd670. Policy in Netbackup was NDMP, client was the VNX host backing up to Disk Storage unit (dd670) (this is available in netbackup 6.5 and later I believe). Test backup of 1.3TB took just over 4 hours. We were running about 300GB/hour. This was over the network, not using the VTL option. The VTL options is available but you need a license on your data domain. +-- |This was sent by rich.sav...@bcbsne.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups on DataDomain.
Hi Team, I have been given this task to move the NDMP backups from one master server to another. The current master server backups up NDMP to CDL (Clariion Disk Libraries) typical environment via SAN. Now the new master server has no TL/VTL/CDL its just has Datadomain used as netbackup openstorage device. Now my question is this . Do I have to procure VTL license from DATADOMAIN in order to do NDMP backups ? If I do NDMP backups to Datadomain open storage device will it have any performance implications ? Another point that crossed my mind is this : openstorage backups would be via LAN not via SAN would that reduce the speed of ndmp backups to great levels ? Anyone who has implement Netbackup NDMP backups on Datadomain please provide me with their valueable inputs. Regards Anurag ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups on DataDomain.
You can do NDMP backups to OST via LAN transport to the media server. All you need to do is setup your ndmp credentials in NBU and on your NAS device. At least this worked for me with a VNX-File NDMP backup. If you want to transport NDMP backups via SAN to the DATADOMAIN, then you would need the VTL license/HBA on the datadomain. On 1/3/2012 2:28 PM, Anurag Sharma wrote: Hi Team, I have been given this task to move the NDMP backups from one master server to another. The current master server backups up NDMP to CDL (Clariion Disk Libraries) typical environment via SAN. Now the new master server has no TL/VTL/CDL its just has Datadomain used as netbackup openstorage device. Now my question is this . Do I have to procure VTL license from DATADOMAIN in order to do NDMP backups ? If I do NDMP backups to Datadomain open storage device will it have any performance implications ? Another point that crossed my mind is this : openstorage backups would be via LAN not via SAN would that reduce the speed of ndmp backups to great levels ? Anyone who has implement Netbackup NDMP backups on Datadomain please provide me with their valueable inputs. Regards Anurag ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
This is a nice solution if you can get the speed out of it. I prefer doing backups this way as large NDMP streams fail and cause havoc when you have to restart it. You can then setup a 'catch all' policy that backs up All Local Drives, or all the mount points, but has exclusions for everything you've specified in the other policies. This way when someone adds something and doesn't inform you, it's still protected. -Rusty -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of oersted Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:45 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups forget NDMP with Isilon.there is much better method, which I have only done with NFS. Take your media server and hard mount UNC to each individual node. take the number of subdirectories in the root and divide by the number of nodes yes it might not be an even number, but you'll have slight imbalance..1 yes...you could script to check for subs in root and chop it up evenly and update backup selections Or, if you have tight controls where you work...anytime storage admin creates a new subdirectory in root, you are notified to rebalance backup selections. then set backup selections as follows For example: you have four nodes and 16 subs NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node1/ifs/directories 1-4 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node2/ifs/directories 5-8 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node3/ifs/directories 9-12 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node4/ifs/directories 13-16 what this winds up doing is making the Isilon use its backplane (Infiniband) between nodes because that's what its meant for...the collective throughput of many connections to many nodes being hit all at once. 10GbE on media server really rips!! I've seen 500+ MB per seond +-- |This was sent by sola...@cablespeed.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
Haven't done it with NDMP but for other multi-stream backups if you set checkpoints then you can resume any stream that fails and it will still be seen as part of the original backup. Another beauty of resume is it backs up from the point of last checkpoint before failure rather than restarting the entire stream. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Rusty Major Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:55 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups This is a nice solution if you can get the speed out of it. I prefer doing backups this way as large NDMP streams fail and cause havoc when you have to restart it. You can then setup a 'catch all' policy that backs up All Local Drives, or all the mount points, but has exclusions for everything you've specified in the other policies. This way when someone adds something and doesn't inform you, it's still protected. -Rusty -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of oersted Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:45 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups forget NDMP with Isilon.there is much better method, which I have only done with NFS. Take your media server and hard mount UNC to each individual node. take the number of subdirectories in the root and divide by the number of nodes yes it might not be an even number, but you'll have slight imbalance..1 yes...you could script to check for subs in root and chop it up evenly and update backup selections Or, if you have tight controls where you work...anytime storage admin creates a new subdirectory in root, you are notified to rebalance backup selections. then set backup selections as follows For example: you have four nodes and 16 subs NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node1/ifs/directories 1-4 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node2/ifs/directories 5-8 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node3/ifs/directories 9-12 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node4/ifs/directories 13-16 what this winds up doing is making the Isilon use its backplane (Infiniband) between nodes because that's what its meant for...the collective throughput of many connections to many nodes being hit all at once. 10GbE on media server really rips!! I've seen 500+ MB per seond +-- |This was sent by sola...@cablespeed.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Athena(r), Created for the Cause(tm) Making a Difference in the Fight Against Breast Cancer - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
Don't believe checkpoints/resume works with NDMP. Also, can anyone verify if multi data streams is supposed to work on NBU 7.0.1? I've got 8 streams running from one job and at first one of them was writing data and had throughput, now none of them are. They all say writing, but none of throughput showing or anything else. Yet my Data Domain shows 100+MB/s coming in over two interfaces.. I have no idea what's actually going on with the jobs. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Lightner, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:14 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Haven't done it with NDMP but for other multi-stream backups if you set checkpoints then you can resume any stream that fails and it will still be seen as part of the original backup. Another beauty of resume is it backs up from the point of last checkpoint before failure rather than restarting the entire stream. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Rusty Major Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:55 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups This is a nice solution if you can get the speed out of it. I prefer doing backups this way as large NDMP streams fail and cause havoc when you have to restart it. You can then setup a 'catch all' policy that backs up All Local Drives, or all the mount points, but has exclusions for everything you've specified in the other policies. This way when someone adds something and doesn't inform you, it's still protected. -Rusty -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of oersted Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:45 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups forget NDMP with Isilon.there is much better method, which I have only done with NFS. Take your media server and hard mount UNC to each individual node. take the number of subdirectories in the root and divide by the number of nodes yes it might not be an even number, but you'll have slight imbalance..1 yes...you could script to check for subs in root and chop it up evenly and update backup selections Or, if you have tight controls where you work...anytime storage admin creates a new subdirectory in root, you are notified to rebalance backup selections. then set backup selections as follows For example: you have four nodes and 16 subs NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node1/ifs/directories 1-4 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node2/ifs/directories 5-8 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node3/ifs/directories 9-12 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node4/ifs/directories 13-16 what this winds up doing is making the Isilon use its backplane (Infiniband) between nodes because that's what its meant for...the collective throughput of many connections to many nodes being hit all at once. 10GbE on media server really rips!! I've seen 500+ MB per seond +-- |This was sent by sola...@cablespeed.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Athena(r), Created for the Cause(tm) Making a Difference in the Fight Against Breast Cancer - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete
[Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
So, NDMP doesn't support wildcards, right? As stated in NetBackup AdminGuide NDMP: The following backup selections capabilities are NOT supported for an NDMP policy: ■ Wildcards in pathnames. For example, /home/* is an invalid entry. ■ Individual file names. Only directory or volume names are allowed. ■ Exclude list (because client software is not installed on the NDMP host). You can, however, exclude files by using the SET keyword. I have a large folder full of sub folders that need to be backed up. Ideally, I'd love to have multiple streams running in the job. I was hoping to split them out by the alphabet, as in A*, B*, C*, etc. NDMP won't let you do this. Anyone have any suggestions on how else to achieve this? We're trying to backup an Isilon via NDMP to a Data Domain via OST from the media server. -- Nate SandersSr. System Administrator Digital Motorworks, Inc (512) 692 - 1038 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
Would it be possible to make the policy read the Backup Selections from a file? We could easily automate the creation of this file into chunks of streams for the existing folders. My concern with a manual list is that new folders will be created and missed. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate (DS) Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:25 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups So, NDMP doesn't support wildcards, right? As stated in NetBackup AdminGuide NDMP: The following backup selections capabilities are NOT supported for an NDMP policy: ■ Wildcards in pathnames. For example, /home/* is an invalid entry. ■ Individual file names. Only directory or volume names are allowed. ■ Exclude list (because client software is not installed on the NDMP host). You can, however, exclude files by using the SET keyword. I have a large folder full of sub folders that need to be backed up. Ideally, I'd love to have multiple streams running in the job. I was hoping to split them out by the alphabet, as in A*, B*, C*, etc. NDMP won't let you do this. Anyone have any suggestions on how else to achieve this? We're trying to backup an Isilon via NDMP to a Data Domain via OST from the media server. -- Nate SandersSr. System Administrator Digital Motorworks, Inc (512) 692 - 1038 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
Hello, You can make a script that first change the policy file selection using bpplinclude command and then run the policy. stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:57 PM To: Sanders, Nate; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Would it be possible to make the policy read the Backup Selections from a file? We could easily automate the creation of this file into chunks of streams for the existing folders. My concern with a manual list is that new folders will be created and missed. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate (DS) Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:25 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups So, NDMP doesn't support wildcards, right? As stated in NetBackup AdminGuide NDMP: The following backup selections capabilities are NOT supported for an NDMP policy: │ Wildcards in pathnames. For example, /home/* is an invalid entry. │ Individual file names. Only directory or volume names are allowed. │ Exclude list (because client software is not installed on the NDMP host). You can, however, exclude files by using the SET keyword. I have a large folder full of sub folders that need to be backed up. Ideally, I'd love to have multiple streams running in the job. I was hoping to split them out by the alphabet, as in A*, B*, C*, etc. NDMP won't let you do this. Anyone have any suggestions on how else to achieve this? We're trying to backup an Isilon via NDMP to a Data Domain via OST from the media server. -- Nate SandersSr. System Administrator Digital Motorworks, Inc (512) 692 - 1038 _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
You could generate your list and either using bp commands or update /usr/openv/netbackup/db/class/policy/include, but either way the policy must be updated BEFORE it is started as it will not look at the list of files again. Also you need to nbpemreq(?) -updatepolicies before you start it. I'm sure the first method, bp commands would be supported, I'm not sure about the second method as VERTIAS/Symantec sort of frown on these things. :) On 01/11/2011 19:56, Sanders, Nate wrote: Would it be possible to make the policy read the Backup Selections from a file? We could easily automate the creation of this file into chunks of streams for the existing folders. My concern with a manual list is that new folders will be created and missed. *From:*veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] *On Behalf Of *Sanders, Nate (DS) *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:25 PM *To:* veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu *Subject:* [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups So, NDMP doesn't support wildcards, right? As stated in NetBackup AdminGuide NDMP: The following backup selections capabilities are NOT supported for an NDMP policy: ? Wildcards in pathnames. For example, /home/* is an invalid entry. ? Individual file names. Only directory or volume names are allowed. ? Exclude list (because client software is not installed on the NDMP host). You can, however, exclude files by using the SET keyword. I have a large folder full of sub folders that need to be backed up. Ideally, I'd love to have multiple streams running in the job. I was hoping to split them out by the alphabet, as in A*, B*, C*, etc. NDMP won't let you do this. Anyone have any suggestions on how else to achieve this? We're trying to backup an Isilon via NDMP to a Data Domain via OST from the media server. -- Nate SandersSr. System Administrator Digital Motorworks, Inc (512) 692 - 1038 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
I have some NDMP policies that use the following directive: SET EXCLUDE = *.vswp It seems to work. +-- |This was sent by chuck.car...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
Ooh, so this would simply be a script to modify the actual Backup Selections list, before the job runs. I was only imaging some kind of script that would have to be cron'd to actually run the job itself, which obviously I would not want as the policy/schedule would be outside NBU. I will investigate this. From: smpt [mailto:sm...@peppas.gr] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:21 PM To: Sanders, Nate (DS); veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Hello, You can make a script that first change the policy file selection using bpplinclude command and then run the policy. stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:57 PM To: Sanders, Nate; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Would it be possible to make the policy read the Backup Selections from a file? We could easily automate the creation of this file into chunks of streams for the existing folders. My concern with a manual list is that new folders will be created and missed. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate (DS) Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:25 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups So, NDMP doesn't support wildcards, right? As stated in NetBackup AdminGuide NDMP: The following backup selections capabilities are NOT supported for an NDMP policy: ■ Wildcards in pathnames. For example, /home/* is an invalid entry. ■ Individual file names. Only directory or volume names are allowed. ■ Exclude list (because client software is not installed on the NDMP host). You can, however, exclude files by using the SET keyword. I have a large folder full of sub folders that need to be backed up. Ideally, I'd love to have multiple streams running in the job. I was hoping to split them out by the alphabet, as in A*, B*, C*, etc. NDMP won't let you do this. Anyone have any suggestions on how else to achieve this? We're trying to backup an Isilon via NDMP to a Data Domain via OST from the media server. -- Nate SandersSr. System Administrator Digital Motorworks, Inc (512) 692 - 1038 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
You may create the script as you like. If you use the script only to change the file selection, be sour that it will run before the policy. But, yes, you may create a script that will change the data selection and run the policy manually (bpbackup -i), using cron From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:31 PM To: smpt; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Ooh, so this would simply be a script to modify the actual Backup Selections list, before the job runs. I was only imaging some kind of script that would have to be cron'd to actually run the job itself, which obviously I would not want as the policy/schedule would be outside NBU. I will investigate this. From: smpt [mailto:sm...@peppas.gr] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:21 PM To: Sanders, Nate (DS); veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Hello, You can make a script that first change the policy file selection using bpplinclude command and then run the policy. stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:57 PM To: Sanders, Nate; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Would it be possible to make the policy read the Backup Selections from a file? We could easily automate the creation of this file into chunks of streams for the existing folders. My concern with a manual list is that new folders will be created and missed. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate (DS) Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:25 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups So, NDMP doesn't support wildcards, right? As stated in NetBackup AdminGuide NDMP: The following backup selections capabilities are NOT supported for an NDMP policy: │ Wildcards in pathnames. For example, /home/* is an invalid entry. │ Individual file names. Only directory or volume names are allowed. │ Exclude list (because client software is not installed on the NDMP host). You can, however, exclude files by using the SET keyword. I have a large folder full of sub folders that need to be backed up. Ideally, I'd love to have multiple streams running in the job. I was hoping to split them out by the alphabet, as in A*, B*, C*, etc. NDMP won't let you do this. Anyone have any suggestions on how else to achieve this? We're trying to backup an Isilon via NDMP to a Data Domain via OST from the media server. -- Nate SandersSr. System Administrator Digital Motorworks, Inc (512) 692 - 1038 _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
forget NDMP with Isilon.there is much better method, which I have only done with NFS. Take your media server and hard mount UNC to each individual node. take the number of subdirectories in the root and divide by the number of nodes yes it might not be an even number, but you'll have slight imbalance..1 yes...you could script to check for subs in root and chop it up evenly and update backup selections Or, if you have tight controls where you work...anytime storage admin creates a new subdirectory in root, you are notified to rebalance backup selections. then set backup selections as follows For example: you have four nodes and 16 subs NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node1/ifs/directories 1-4 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node2/ifs/directories 5-8 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node3/ifs/directories 9-12 NEW_STREAM //unc-path-node4/ifs/directories 13-16 what this winds up doing is making the Isilon use its backplane (Infiniband) between nodes because that's what its meant for...the collective throughput of many connections to many nodes being hit all at once. 10GbE on media server really rips!! I've seen 500+ MB per seond +-- |This was sent by sola...@cablespeed.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 05:24:07PM -0500, rusty.ma...@sungard.com wrote: There is or was an 'issue' with NDMP where the dump levels for incrementals rolled past 9 and went back to 0, causing a full and it would stay at dump level 0 until the next scheduled full ran. I cannot find a technote or any documentation on it, but I believe it was related to cumulative incs only (since that is dump level 2-9) and a schedule where the cumulatives were set to run more than the available dump levels. So the first 8 days you would be ok, but on the ninth and subesquent cumulative inc days you got a full. Not exactly what I see, but similar. When my differentials run too long, it just keeps doing level 9. So this becomes a cumulative and the size starts growing. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 Each backup from that point on is all changes since the 8 was done. -- Darren ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
One of my customers says that his NDMP incrementals are 3TB in size, while his full backup size is 6TB. However, when he checks for the block changes in Netapp console,it reports block changes amounting to 60GB I was of the impression that NDMP incrementals happen at the block level, in which case his incremental size had to be around 60GB. Can someone explain to me why this is so. Appreciate if you could get down to nuts and bolts and tell me how NDMP treats incrementals/level backups. dp_nash +-- |This was sent by n_ash...@yahoo.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
Yes..netapp NDMP backups use the dump (solaris version of ufsdump)command to perform backups. The following link explains the NDMP dump process, in detail: https://now.netapp.com/Knowledgebase/solutionarea.asp?id=kb18468 --Original Message-- From: n_ashwin Sender: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU ReplyTo: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup Sent: Jul 27, 2010 7:45 AM One of my customers says that his NDMP incrementals are 3TB in size, while his full backup size is 6TB. However, when he checks for the block changes in Netapp console,it reports block changes amounting to 60GB I was of the impression that NDMP incrementals happen at the block level, in which case his incremental size had to be around 60GB. Can someone explain to me why this is so. Appreciate if you could get down to nuts and bolts and tell me how NDMP treats incrementals/level backups. dp_nash +-- |This was sent by n_ash...@yahoo.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
Good Morning, My understanding is that the netapp on disk is keeping track of changed blocks, but that backup software that is written the backup to tape understands files. So the backup software is reading the whole file including both the unchanged blocks and the changed blocks and writing them to tape. The netapp is using the old unix dump command to read the files and write them to tape. Netbackup adds its header files to the backup stream. Other then software such as snap mirror or snap vault I do not believe that the netapp have an api for only passing the changed blocks to the backup software. One could wonder if this will change with the new world of dedupe. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of n_ashwin Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:46 AM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup One of my customers says that his NDMP incrementals are 3TB in size, while his full backup size is 6TB. However, when he checks for the block changes in Netapp console,it reports block changes amounting to 60GB I was of the impression that NDMP incrementals happen at the block level, in which case his incremental size had to be around 60GB. Can someone explain to me why this is so. Appreciate if you could get down to nuts and bolts and tell me how NDMP treats incrementals/level backups. dp_nash +-- |This was sent by n_ash...@yahoo.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Len Boyle len.bo...@sas.com wrote: Good Morning, My understanding is that the netapp on disk is keeping track of changed blocks, but that backup software that is written the backup to tape understands files. So the backup software is reading the whole file including both the unchanged blocks and the changed blocks and writing them to tape. The netapp is using the old unix dump command to read the files and write them to tape. Netbackup adds its header files to the backup stream. Other thensoftware such as snap mirror or snap vault I do not believe that the netapp have an api for only passing the changed blocks to the backup software. One could wonder if this will change with the new world of dedupe. Just imagine how ugly your restores could get if you only backed up the changed blocks. If you update block 1 on day 1, block 2 on day 2, block 3 on day 3 and then restore, you'd need all 3 incrementals. With file-based incrementals, you only need the last one. If you're backing up to disk, the first option isn't so bad. With backups to tape, this would be horrible. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
Yes it would make life more interesting. With the new backup support for what was called pure disk the backup data is going to disk and only the changed blocks. But if I understand things the netapp would have to have code installed on it that would understand the pure disk api. As to writing the changed blocks to tape, I believe that is what is happing with the netbackup/Oracle change block support. I believe that the Oracle support keeps all the information about which change blocks exist and their location in a database. Oracle rman then can fetch the blocks from netbackup. Netbackup then returns the blocks to Oracle from disk or tape. With the tapeid support on the current tape drives this is not as hard as one might think. If one had 100 changed blocks out of 10 blocks in a file/table the extra work of keeping track of the changed blocks might be a lot less them moving the whole file around. But the complexity of the backup meta data increases. From: Ed Wilts [mailto:ewi...@ewilts.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:43 AM To: Len Boyle Cc: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Len Boyle len.bo...@sas.commailto:len.bo...@sas.com wrote: Good Morning, My understanding is that the netapp on disk is keeping track of changed blocks, but that backup software that is written the backup to tape understands files. So the backup software is reading the whole file including both the unchanged blocks and the changed blocks and writing them to tape. The netapp is using the old unix dump command to read the files and write them to tape. Netbackup adds its header files to the backup stream. Other then software such as snap mirror or snap vault I do not believe that the netapp have an api for only passing the changed blocks to the backup software. One could wonder if this will change with the new world of dedupe. Just imagine how ugly your restores could get if you only backed up the changed blocks. If you update block 1 on day 1, block 2 on day 2, block 3 on day 3 and then restore, you'd need all 3 incrementals. With file-based incrementals, you only need the last one. If you're backing up to disk, the first option isn't so bad. With backups to tape, this would be horrible. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.orgmailto:ewi...@ewilts.org [http://www.images.wisestamp.com/linkedin.png]Linkedinhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Len Boyle len.bo...@sas.com wrote: With the new backup support for what was called pure disk the backup data is going to disk and only the changed blocks. But if I understand things the netapp would have to have code installed on it that would understand the pure disk api. What Symantec is actually recommending now is to use a traditional Unix or Windows client and NFS-mount or CIFS-mount the data. Then do your normal backups to a PureDisk storage unit and do continuous incrementals and synthetic fulls. With the new PD code, a synthetic full only does pointer changes so they got like a bat out of... As an extra bonus, because you're using a non-NDMP client, you can restore the file to anywhere, not just the same NDMP type of host that you started from. As a double-added bonus, a Unix or Windows license (list $2,595 to $6,095 for x86/x64 clients) is a LOT cheaper than an NDMP license, especially if you a have big filer (list $3,500 to $15,500). The de-dupe option is VERY pricey though at $5k per front-end TB (MSRP). In our environment, we're about 180TB of used space at the moment. The list price of backup it all up with de-dupe would top a million bucks with the media servers and the de-dupe licenses. And that doesn't include the disk to put it to. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
We used to get HORRIBLE (8MB/s ish) performance doing CIFS backups of our NetApp filer, and I was pretty sure Symantec recommended against doing our backups that way (this was 3 years ago or so). We do backup exclusively to tape though so maybe that makes the difference. Also I didn’t think NTFS permissions were restored correctly when using CIFs shares as your backup source. ~ Shawn Plummer Systems Manager CIT SUNY Geneseo The mind can make substance, and people planets of its own with beings brighter than have been, and give a breath to forms which can outlive all flesh. -Lord Byron On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Ed Wilts wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Len Boyle len.bo...@sas.com wrote: With the new backup support for what was called pure disk the backup data is going to disk and only the changed blocks. But if I understand things the netapp would have to have code installed on it that would understand the pure disk api. What Symantec is actually recommending now is to use a traditional Unix or Windows client and NFS-mount or CIFS-mount the data. Then do your normal backups to a PureDisk storage unit and do continuous incrementals and synthetic fulls. With the new PD code, a synthetic full only does pointer changes so they got like a bat out of... As an extra bonus, because you're using a non-NDMP client, you can restore the file to anywhere, not just the same NDMP type of host that you started from. As a double-added bonus, a Unix or Windows license (list $2,595 to $6,095 for x86/x64 clients) is a LOT cheaper than an NDMP license, especially if you a have big filer (list $3,500 to $15,500). The de-dupe option is VERY pricey though at $5k per front-end TB (MSRP). In our environment, we're about 180TB of used space at the moment. The list price of backup it all up with de-dupe would top a million bucks with the media servers and the de-dupe licenses. And that doesn't include the disk to put it to. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Linkedin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:37:20AM -0400, Shawn Plummer wrote: Also I didn?t think NTFS permissions were restored correctly when using CIFs shares as your backup source. Barring any bugs, they are. Both NTFS and UNIX security is backed up and restored via CIFS. Only UNIX security is backed up and restored over NFS. -- Darren ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
We get poor performance (4MB/sec) performance running NFS mounts on our FAS 2040, but we've found we can run many simultaneous streams and get that into the 20+MB/sec range. We've got one Sun device we run 16 simultaneous NFS streams on that pushes 30MB/sec. Have you tried hitting multiple mounts with individual streams at the same time to get better CIFS performance? -Jonathan From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Plummer Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:37 AM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup We used to get HORRIBLE (8MB/s ish) performance doing CIFS backups of our NetApp filer, and I was pretty sure Symantec recommended against doing our backups that way (this was 3 years ago or so). We do backup exclusively to tape though so maybe that makes the difference. Also I didn't think NTFS permissions were restored correctly when using CIFs shares as your backup source. ~ Shawn Plummer Systems Manager CIT SUNY Geneseo The mind can make substance, and people planets of its own with beings brighter than have been, and give a breath to forms which can outlive all flesh. -Lord Byron On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Ed Wilts wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Len Boyle len.bo...@sas.com wrote: With the new backup support for what was called pure disk the backup data is going to disk and only the changed blocks. But if I understand things the netapp would have to have code installed on it that would understand the pure disk api. What Symantec is actually recommending now is to use a traditional Unix or Windows client and NFS-mount or CIFS-mount the data. Then do your normal backups to a PureDisk storage unit and do continuous incrementals and synthetic fulls. With the new PD code, a synthetic full only does pointer changes so they got like a bat out of... As an extra bonus, because you're using a non-NDMP client, you can restore the file to anywhere, not just the same NDMP type of host that you started from. As a double-added bonus, a Unix or Windows license (list $2,595 to $6,095 for x86/x64 clients) is a LOT cheaper than an NDMP license, especially if you a have big filer (list $3,500 to $15,500). The de-dupe option is VERY pricey though at $5k per front-end TB (MSRP). In our environment, we're about 180TB of used space at the moment. The list price of backup it all up with de-dupe would top a million bucks with the media servers and the de-dupe licenses. And that doesn't include the disk to put it to. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Martin, Jonathan jmart...@intersil.comwrote: We get poor performance (4MB/sec) performance running NFS mounts on our FAS 2040, but we’ve found we can run many simultaneous streams and get that into the 20+MB/sec range. We’ve got one Sun device we run 16 simultaneous NFS streams on that pushes 30MB/sec. Have you tried hitting multiple mounts with individual streams at the same time to get better CIFS performance? We did some testing of VMware accessing our FAS3140 via NFS and benchmarked a guest at 340MB/sec over port-channeled 10GigE connections using jumbo frames. And that was to 1 head in the 3140 cluster. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
I assumed since someone mentioned CIFS that we were talking about file servers. I don't mean to disparage NetApp or Sun. I've had no issues pushing 100+MB/sec from my filers with large files. However, I'm in the untenable position of having a 20-30Kb average file size which necessitates creative backup solutions. I've had success in this scenario running multiple streams. -Jonathan From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:55 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Martin, Jonathan jmart...@intersil.com wrote: We get poor performance (4MB/sec) performance running NFS mounts on our FAS 2040, but we've found we can run many simultaneous streams and get that into the 20+MB/sec range. We've got one Sun device we run 16 simultaneous NFS streams on that pushes 30MB/sec. Have you tried hitting multiple mounts with individual streams at the same time to get better CIFS performance? We did some testing of VMware accessing our FAS3140 via NFS and benchmarked a guest at 340MB/sec over port-channeled 10GigE connections using jumbo frames. And that was to 1 head in the 3140 cluster. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
There is or was an 'issue' with NDMP where the dump levels for incrementals rolled past 9 and went back to 0, causing a full and it would stay at dump level 0 until the next scheduled full ran. I cannot find a technote or any documentation on it, but I believe it was related to cumulative incs only (since that is dump level 2-9) and a schedule where the cumulatives were set to run more than the available dump levels. So the first 8 days you would be ok, but on the ninth and subesquent cumulative inc days you got a full. I am not sure if this ever got fixed or not and we experienced this with NBU 5.1 probably 3-4 years ago. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ▪ Sr. Storage Engineer ▪ SunGard Availability Services ▪ 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ▪ 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected® ▪ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. n_ashwin netbackup-fo...@backupcentral.com Sent by: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 07/27/2010 06:46 AM Please respond to VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU To VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU cc Subject [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup One of my customers says that his NDMP incrementals are 3TB in size, while his full backup size is 6TB. However, when he checks for the block changes in Netapp console,it reports block changes amounting to 60GB I was of the impression that NDMP incrementals happen at the block level, in which case his incremental size had to be around 60GB. Can someone explain to me why this is so. Appreciate if you could get down to nuts and bolts and tell me how NDMP treats incrementals/level backups. dp_nash +-- |This was sent by n_ash...@yahoo.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 01:49:29PM -0400, Baumann, Kevin wrote: Anyone know if that will change or has changed with version 7? I doubt it has anything to do with Netbackup. Netbackup is asking the remote system to send data. If that system doesn't allow wildcards, then it won't work. If you turn up verbosity on the filer and go through the ndmplogs, I'll bet it is asking the filer to dump path /vol/vol2/data/[A-M]*, and the filer is saying I don't have a path with that name. -- Darren ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
I am trying to run NDMP backups with certain paths and I am getting error 99 in the GUI, and the error ndmp_data_start_backup failed, status = 9 (NDMP_ILLEGAL_ARGS_ERR). [...] Backup Selections: [...] /vol/vol2/data/[A-M]* [...] Unfortunately (to my knowledge), wildcards are not supported with NDMP backups. You?ll have to explicitly supply the paths. What Thanks Jonathan. That is fantastic news? Anyone know if that will change or has changed with version 7? This should be an NDMP/filer issue, not anything to do with the backup vendor. NetBackup (or any NDMP DMA) doesn't produce that error; it only passes it back from the NDMP server. NDMP_ILLEGAL_ARGS_ERR is part of the NDMP spec (more than you want to know at www.ndmp.org) and it is returned (for many things, but in this case:) if the NDMP implementation doesn't accept the backup type or variables in an NDMP_DATA_START_BACKUP request. BlueArc filers accept asterisk wildcards; some filers accept them in certain places, other NDMP implementations don't accept them at all. Same thing for accepting directory versus file paths. Isolon accepts all sorts of wildcards and environment variables and a bunch of environment variables Did you RTFM? There's a NetBackup Administrator's Guide for NDMP for every release which tells you how to configure a policy, and has a link to the vendor-specific NDMP guide (http://entsupport.symantec.com/docs/267773). ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
All, I am trying to run NDMP backups with certain paths and I am getting error 99 in the GUI, and the error ndmp_data_start_backup failed, status = 9 (NDMP_ILLEGAL_ARGS_ERR). The policy is setup as follows: Backup Selections: NEW_STREAM /vol/vol2/data/[A-M]* NEW_STREAM /vol/vol2/data/[a-m]* If I setup the policy to just backup /vol/vol2/data it works. This is on Netbackup 6.5.3 and is connecting to a Netapp via IP (can't connect it via fibre). And the OS of the master/media servers are SuSE linux. Thanks. -Kevin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
Thanks Jonathan. That is fantastic news… Anyone know if that will change or has changed with version 7? From: Jonathan Dyck [mailto:jd...@bank-banque-canada.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:34 PM To: Baumann, Kevin; VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Unfortunately (to my knowledge), wildcards are not supported with NDMP backups. You’ll have to explicitly supply the paths. What we do is: 1) Have a policy where you’ve explicitly listed paths, ie: a. /vol/vol1/first b. /vol/vol1/second 2) Have a second policy checking to see if new paths have been added. For us, that means: a. we’ve mounted via NFS the root of the volume, (ie: vol1) on the backup master server, b. and it’s backed up using a “Standard” backup policy for that mountpoint (cross mount points required). c.You exclude each in individual paths you are backing up in #1, d. and if the #2 backup policy ever grows larger than a set amount (32kB for example), we get an email saying something along the lines “a new vol1 path has been added” so, e. We have new paths to add to policy #1 Elegant eh? (read sarcastically of course) From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Baumann, Kevin Sent: April 6, 2010 12:47 PM To: VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups All, I am trying to run NDMP backups with certain paths and I am getting error 99 in the GUI, and the error ndmp_data_start_backup failed, status = 9 (NDMP_ILLEGAL_ARGS_ERR). The policy is setup as follows: Backup Selections: NEW_STREAM /vol/vol2/data/[A-M]* NEW_STREAM /vol/vol2/data/[a-m]* If I setup the policy to just backup /vol/vol2/data it works. This is on Netbackup 6.5.3 and is connecting to a Netapp via IP (can’t connect it via fibre). And the OS of the master/media servers are SuSE linux. Thanks. -Kevin La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Baumann, Kevin kbaum...@akamai.com wrote: Anyone know if that will change or has changed with version 7? ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/340109.pdf The following Backup Selections capabilities are NOT supported for an NDMP policy: ■ Wildcards in pathnames. For example, /home/* is an invalid entry. ■ Individual file names. Only directory or volume names are allowed. Page 47. Happy reading. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts *From:* Jonathan Dyck [mailto:jd...@bank-banque-canada.ca] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:34 PM *To:* Baumann, Kevin; VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU *Subject:* RE: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups Unfortunately (to my knowledge), wildcards are not supported with NDMP backups. You’ll have to explicitly supply the paths. What we do is: 1) Have a policy where you’ve explicitly listed paths, ie: a. /vol/vol1/first b. /vol/vol1/second 2) Have a second policy checking to see if new paths have been added. For us, that means: a. we’ve mounted via NFS the root of the volume, (ie: vol1) on the backup master server, b. and it’s backed up using a “Standard” backup policy for that mountpoint (cross mount points required). c.You exclude each in individual paths you are backing up in #1, d. and if the #2 backup policy ever grows larger than a set amount (32kB for example), we get an email saying something along the lines “a new vol1 path has been added” so, e. We have new paths to add to policy #1 Elegant eh? (read sarcastically of course) *From:* veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] *On Behalf Of *Baumann, Kevin *Sent:* April 6, 2010 12:47 PM *To:* VERITAS-BU@MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU *Subject:* [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups All, I am trying to run NDMP backups with certain paths and I am getting error 99 in the GUI, and the error ndmp_data_start_backup failed, status = 9 (NDMP_ILLEGAL_ARGS_ERR). The policy is setup as follows: Backup Selections: NEW_STREAM /vol/vol2/data/[A-M]* NEW_STREAM /vol/vol2/data/[a-m]* If I setup the policy to just backup /vol/vol2/data it works. This is on Netbackup 6.5.3 and is connecting to a Netapp via IP (can’t connect it via fibre). And the OS of the master/media servers are SuSE linux. Thanks. -Kevin La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP-Backups
Hi, we backups a lot of data with NDMP - Full-Backup = 13TB Is there any chance to duplicate our NDMP-Backups? Now our backups runs over 8 drives (4 per library). If I try to duplicate it over SLP the Duplicate needs 8 drives per library - it´s not possible. If I want to do it with inline copy over SLP my timewindow is to small. Any other idea? NetBackup 6.5.4 on Windows 2003 64bit Kind regards Dirk ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP-Backups
Do you have to use SLP? In the intial backup why don't you just do inline copy? On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:52 AM, dirk.muel...@lvr.de wrote: Hi, we backups a lot of data with NDMP - Full-Backup = 13TB Is there any chance to duplicate our NDMP-Backups? Now our backups runs over 8 drives (4 per library). If I try to duplicate it over SLP the Duplicate needs 8 drives per library - it´s not possible. If I want to do it with inline copy over SLP my timewindow is to small. Any other idea? NetBackup 6.5.4 on Windows 2003 64bit Kind regards Dirk ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups
All, Has anyone ever heard of a folder/sub-directory that would not backup? On one of the file systems on a Celerra all the folders on either side of the folder having a problem, backup with no problems, but the troubled directory backups nothing. This is and NDMP backup. Environment: NetBackup 6.5.1 EMC Celerra NDMP NAS head EML Tape Library ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups
I opened a ticket w/ Symantec about something similar and it turned out to be an issue with NDMP on a Sun StorageTek. Turns out those folders had very long paths under them and were causing the ndmp process to bomb. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:38 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP Backups All, Has anyone ever heard of a folder/sub-directory that would not backup? On one of the file systems on a Celerra all the folders on either side of the folder having a problem, backup with no problems, but the troubled directory backups nothing. This is and NDMP backup. Environment: NetBackup 6.5.1 EMC Celerra NDMP NAS head EML Tape Library ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers
Yep, NDMP will grab ACLs, but you may want to double-confirm the compatibility of SSO + Netapp NDMP. For some reason I remember it used to be not possible until a new Netapp revision came out. What version of Data Ontap? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Len Boyle Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers The ndmp backups of netapp filers back up the acls on NTFS and mixed volumes. len -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:16 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers Long title, huh? I know I could dig into the docs but you guys are usually faster. Right now I backup our one Netapp CIFS as a unix NFS mount. I miss all the ACL's but that's not a big problem with this share since it's pretty much all owned by the same group. Discussion in a meeting today may lead to a lot more CIFS shares but they're very much cross-owned and the Windows ACLs are about to become important. I could build a windows media server and backup the shares that way - all the nice ACL's come along for the ride. However, I've gone years now without becoming a windows admin and I like it that way. I'd rather look at NDMP direct to tape (SSO share) of the volume containing the share. Do any of you know if the NDMP backup will grab all the ACL information so the winders users stay happy? -M ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers
Long title, huh? I know I could dig into the docs but you guys are usually faster. Right now I backup our one Netapp CIFS as a unix NFS mount. I miss all the ACL's but that's not a big problem with this share since it's pretty much all owned by the same group. Discussion in a meeting today may lead to a lot more CIFS shares but they're very much cross-owned and the Windows ACLs are about to become important. I could build a windows media server and backup the shares that way - all the nice ACL's come along for the ride. However, I've gone years now without becoming a windows admin and I like it that way. I'd rather look at NDMP direct to tape (SSO share) of the volume containing the share. Do any of you know if the NDMP backup will grab all the ACL information so the winders users stay happy? -M ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers
The ndmp backups of netapp filers back up the acls on NTFS and mixed volumes. len -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:16 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers Long title, huh? I know I could dig into the docs but you guys are usually faster. Right now I backup our one Netapp CIFS as a unix NFS mount. I miss all the ACL's but that's not a big problem with this share since it's pretty much all owned by the same group. Discussion in a meeting today may lead to a lot more CIFS shares but they're very much cross-owned and the Windows ACLs are about to become important. I could build a windows media server and backup the shares that way - all the nice ACL's come along for the ride. However, I've gone years now without becoming a windows admin and I like it that way. I'd rather look at NDMP direct to tape (SSO share) of the volume containing the share. Do any of you know if the NDMP backup will grab all the ACL information so the winders users stay happy? -M ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers
It came in with v7.2 of Ontap, IIRC. We're good on that (finally!). -Original Message- From: Hadrian Baron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:50 PM To: 'Len Boyle'; Donaldson, Mark - Broomfield, CO; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers Yep, NDMP will grab ACLs, but you may want to double-confirm the compatibility of SSO + Netapp NDMP. For some reason I remember it used to be not possible until a new Netapp revision came out. What version of Data Ontap? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Len Boyle Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers The ndmp backups of netapp filers back up the acls on NTFS and mixed volumes. len -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:16 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups of CIFS shares on Netapp Filers Long title, huh? I know I could dig into the docs but you guys are usually faster. Right now I backup our one Netapp CIFS as a unix NFS mount. I miss all the ACL's but that's not a big problem with this share since it's pretty much all owned by the same group. Discussion in a meeting today may lead to a lot more CIFS shares but they're very much cross-owned and the Windows ACLs are about to become important. I could build a windows media server and backup the shares that way - all the nice ACL's come along for the ride. However, I've gone years now without becoming a windows admin and I like it that way. I'd rather look at NDMP direct to tape (SSO share) of the volume containing the share. Do any of you know if the NDMP backup will grab all the ACL information so the winders users stay happy? -M ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow
Hi Can anyone help with this issue? We have a NetApps 3020 filer connected directly (no FC switch) to two HP LTO3 drives. The drives are in a SL500 library and the library robot is directly connected to a windows NetBackup v6.0Mp4 master. We are using the NDMP licence to backup the vols on the filer over the fibre to the drives but instead of the expected 40-60mb\sec we are getting 2-3mb\sec on both the drives. In NetBackup we have an NDMP storage unit with NDMP host as the filer and two NDMP drives with the nrstxa paths for both drives. I have created a NDMP policy to backup the vols using the client as the NDMP host (filer) Does anyone have any suggestions? Kind Regards, Imran Khan ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow
We also use NDMP in this manner. We have found that some volumes on the NAS backup slower than others. We are still looking into the issue but our issues is these volume are snap mirrored and for exchange and these backup twice as slow as the regular volumes we have. Check to see if these are snap mirrored volumes. Check the fragmentation level as well. Does the issue happen with all your volumes on the same NAS or just certain ones? Greg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Khan Imran A Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:27 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow Hi Can anyone help with this issue? We have a NetApps 3020 filer connected directly (no FC switch) to two HP LTO3 drives. The drives are in a SL500 library and the library robot is directly connected to a windows NetBackup v6.0Mp4 master. We are using the NDMP licence to backup the vols on the filer over the fibre to the drives but instead of the expected 40-60mb\sec we are getting 2-3mb\sec on both the drives. In NetBackup we have an NDMP storage unit with NDMP host as the filer and two NDMP drives with the nrstxa paths for both drives. I have created a NDMP policy to backup the vols using the client as the NDMP host (filer) Does anyone have any suggestions? Kind Regards, Imran Khan This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP1 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow
Hi There 3020 configured for NDMP backups has three vols they are as follows - /vol/exch_vs1 - this is snapvalt volume on a 3020 filer snap vault'd from a 980 filer at the production site, the data is Exchange db and logs snapshots - this ran at 2mb\sec /vol/exch_vs1 - is snapvalt volume on a 3020 filer snap vault'd from a 980 filer at the production site, the data is Exchange db and logs snapshots - this ran at 2mb\sec /vol/vol0 - this is small and I suspect the performance is not accurate it showed around 2-3 mb\sec but finished in a couple of mins Kind Regards, Imran Khan, Solution Architect Solutions Group FUJITSU Fujitsu Services, Central Park, Northampton Road, Manchester M40 5BP Tel: +44 (0) 870 325 2498 Mob:+44 (0) 7867 821 294 or Internally 7382 1294 Fax: +44 (0) 0845 280 3480 E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://uk.fujitsu.com http://uk.fujitsu.com Fujitsu Services limited, Registered in England no 96056, Registered Office 22 Baker Street, London, W1U 3BW This e-mail is only for the use of its intended recipient. Its contents are subject to a duty of confidence and may be privileged. Fujitsu Services does not guarantee that this e-mail has not been intercepted and amended or that it is virus-free. From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 April 2007 14:25 To: Khan Imran A; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow We also use NDMP in this manner. We have found that some volumes on the NAS backup slower than others. We are still looking into the issue but our issues is these volume are snap mirrored and for exchange and these backup twice as slow as the regular volumes we have. Check to see if these are snap mirrored volumes. Check the fragmentation level as well. Does the issue happen with all your volumes on the same NAS or just certain ones? Greg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Khan Imran A Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:27 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow Hi Can anyone help with this issue? We have a NetApps 3020 filer connected directly (no FC switch) to two HP LTO3 drives. The drives are in a SL500 library and the library robot is directly connected to a windows NetBackup v6.0Mp4 master. We are using the NDMP licence to backup the vols on the filer over the fibre to the drives but instead of the expected 40-60mb\sec we are getting 2-3mb\sec on both the drives. In NetBackup we have an NDMP storage unit with NDMP host as the filer and two NDMP drives with the nrstxa paths for both drives. I have created a NDMP policy to backup the vols using the client as the NDMP host (filer) Does anyone have any suggestions? Kind Regards, Imran Khan This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP1 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow
I bet your issues will be the snap vault exchange volumes. We have not resolved our issues and we have been on Netapp to address why these exchange volumes are twice as slow as the regular volumes when backing up. Greg From: Khan Imran A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:17 AM To: Hindle, Greg; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow Hi There 3020 configured for NDMP backups has three vols they are as follows - /vol/exch_vs1 - this is snapvalt volume on a 3020 filer snap vault'd from a 980 filer at the production site, the data is Exchange db and logs snapshots - this ran at 2mb\sec /vol/exch_vs1 - is snapvalt volume on a 3020 filer snap vault'd from a 980 filer at the production site, the data is Exchange db and logs snapshots - this ran at 2mb\sec /vol/vol0 - this is small and I suspect the performance is not accurate it showed around 2-3 mb\sec but finished in a couple of mins Kind Regards, Imran Khan, Solution Architect Solutions Group FUJITSU Fujitsu Services, Central Park, Northampton Road, Manchester M40 5BP Tel: +44 (0) 870 325 2498 Mob:+44 (0) 7867 821 294 or Internally 7382 1294 Fax: +44 (0) 0845 280 3480 E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://uk.fujitsu.com http://uk.fujitsu.com Fujitsu Services limited, Registered in England no 96056, Registered Office 22 Baker Street, London, W1U 3BW This e-mail is only for the use of its intended recipient. Its contents are subject to a duty of confidence and may be privileged. Fujitsu Services does not guarantee that this e-mail has not been intercepted and amended or that it is virus-free. From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 April 2007 14:25 To: Khan Imran A; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow We also use NDMP in this manner. We have found that some volumes on the NAS backup slower than others. We are still looking into the issue but our issues is these volume are snap mirrored and for exchange and these backup twice as slow as the regular volumes we have. Check to see if these are snap mirrored volumes. Check the fragmentation level as well. Does the issue happen with all your volumes on the same NAS or just certain ones? Greg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Khan Imran A Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:27 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups very slow Hi Can anyone help with this issue? We have a NetApps 3020 filer connected directly (no FC switch) to two HP LTO3 drives. The drives are in a SL500 library and the library robot is directly connected to a windows NetBackup v6.0Mp4 master. We are using the NDMP licence to backup the vols on the filer over the fibre to the drives but instead of the expected 40-60mb\sec we are getting 2-3mb\sec on both the drives. In NetBackup we have an NDMP storage unit with NDMP host as the filer and two NDMP drives with the nrstxa paths for both drives. I have created a NDMP policy to backup the vols using the client as the NDMP host (filer) Does anyone have any suggestions? Kind Regards, Imran Khan This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP1 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NDMP backups just stop
Nb 5.0 mp6 Solaris 9 We are having a weird issue with our ndmp backups. We have 18 filers and this failure is random and never the same filer back to back. What happens is the backup starts, goes active in the activity monitor and pushes some data and then just stops. No errors at all, nothing in the logs and the backup will stay active until it is cancelled. Another issues is that sometimes it goes active but never sends any data, again no errors, nothing. NDMP status will sometimes say active and other times say idle. Has our team and Symantec support stumped. We have upgraded the firmware on the drives and robots and we are at the current code level for the Netapp filers. We jut cant seem to figure out why. Symantec just release the next MP level for 5.0 which we have not applied yet but are thinking about it. Its weird. Any ideas or suggestions? Greg This e-mail and any attachments are confidential, may contain legal, professional or other privileged information, and are intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, do not use the information in this e-mail in any way, delete this e-mail and notify the sender. CEG-IP1 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
